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Shouldn't the article be updated?

It mentions that one of his future selves managed to control the hunger. Shouldn't it mention both? Sylar from the explosion future managed to also control the hunger, albeit he gained enough power to sate it (becoming president of the most powerful country in the world). Also shouldn't it mention that the hunger isn't a need to acquire more abilities, just a need to understand?--Steelymcbeam 00:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)

  • Did he control it, though? He killed Nathan, Candice, DL, Claire, and went after Peter. Perhaps others. Not only that, he stole the presidency, which is another form of power. I mean ultimately, I'm not sure "the hunger" really is the need to acquire abilities or to understand--I think it's to have power. That's what understanding and acquiring abilities really is--having power. I don't think Explosion Future Sylar was able to control his hunger at all. If he was, we never saw it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2009 (EST)
    • Yes but he was able to control himself in the face of several evolved humans, including Matt, The Haitian, and resisted the urge to search out any other evolved humans, apart from Candice, D.L, etc.--Steelymcbeam 00:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)
      • Other than seeking out at least five other evolved humans? I don't think that's control. Certainly not any more than he's been able to do in the present. And certainly not at a comparable level of control as during the "exposed future". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Ability Theft without Brain Removal

The article reads "Arthur explained to Sylar that if he gained control of his emotions and helped someone else to deal with traumatizing personal emotions, he could gain a target's powers without physical study of the brain, though with less control over the new ability" at one point and "Sylar recently demonstrated that he can acquire abilities without exposing the source's brain; it is not yet clear whether this is a new application of intuitive aptitude or the effect of some other ability that he has acquired.". Isn't that kind of contradictory? I think the earlier of which is correct, so should this be fixed? --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 16:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • What is the contradiction? - Josh (talk/contribs) 20:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I think he means that it is a clear application of Intuitive Aptitude, not the effect of another ability. That or he's saying that Sylar has EM, either way it may need to be updated, seeing as he used IA to absorb Elle's ability.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Sorry if I wasn't clear. The contradiction is that one part of the article explains how he uses ability theft without brain removal, and another says that it is unknown how he steals abilities without brain removal. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 21:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
      • It just says we don't know what ability allows Sylar to do this. - Josh (talk/contribs) 21:57, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
      • I thought that we were pretty sure that he used the IA. The page kind of says that. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 22:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

[Speculation] Power Immunity

Is it just me, or has Sylar used this ability to become immune to several powers before?

For instance, Eden successfully used her persuasion power on Sylar, putting him to sleep, but he seemed immune to it when he escaped (and she killed himself when she couldn't control him).

Of course, this happened long ago, and I don't recall a ticking sound.

More recently, his father used sedation on him, but it didn't seem to "take". Kimera757 20:42, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Well the way I see it, it's similar to how he acquires abilities. Once he knows how they work and what they do to him, his brain alters itself or his body to prevent said effect from working. He'd already seen persuasion and knew what it would do so he could prepare himself. As for sedation, like he said he played possum, feigned sleep. Another example would be Knox in the exposed future, he was able to counteract and fight back once he worked out what Knox was doing and how he was doing so.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 20:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Actually Future Knox lost his source of fear (Noah) so he was weaker and Sylar was using Induced Radiation.--WarGrowlmon18 17:39, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He has RCR now, that kinda beefs him up against some things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Interesting note about sedation. Never thought about this before, but he did see his father use the ability on the rabbit. Perhaps this is how he figured out the ability, and was able to "play (o)possum". --Bob (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

For above: When there is a disease u take something to not get it or to fight it off and once the body knows what the disease is it makes it easier, since Sylar know how abilities work he would know how to preventing it affecting him. 50000JH

...Um, yeah, I guess.--ERROR 19:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Empathy vs Sympathy

I think some distinctions need to be made. I thought of a couple of places to put my thoughts down, and so this will be copied elsewhere. I am going to discuss Sylars use of what you all are referring to as "empathy" to absorb/copy powers. First of all, his primary innate ability is intuitive aptitude. And we all know he studied the brain to learn how the power worked and has such a deep understand is able to replicate it. But his intuitive aptitude goes beyond understand powers, he understands how a watch works etc. But he has learned to understand the emotional side of powers, and has a deep understanding of the emotional impact and is able to replicate powers. Now I would like to throw out a few definitions, I looked up a lot of definitions of both empathy and sympathy. I will just quote something from dicitonary.com. "Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person". So Empathy is more of an effort, you have to put yourself into someone else’s shoes, and (key word here people) UNDERSTANDING a persons feelings, remember Sylar's base ability intuitive aptitude? While on the other hand, as passionate as Peter is (was) his power takes no conscious effort, and is therefore sympathy. Sympathy is just something that happens, while the empathy is a conscious effort of thinking and understanding. So I think Empathic mimicry is not a power really, just an aspect of the aspcetof Intuitive Aptitude that allows for power copying, as it deals with understanding. While Peter's ability should have been called Sympathetic Mimicry. And while I am at it, I just want to say I think Peter's power is ability copying, yet how the copying happens is dependent on his personality. -da_carnivore

  • Technically Peter couldn't use a copied power until he empathized with them and furthermore the fact that Sylar can now absorb powers by understanding the user's situation doesn't mean he has peter's ability. It's just another aspect if his ability. --Peter
    • What I am saying is empathy and sympathy arent the same. To be empathetic you have to UNDERSTAND a persons feelings and situation, which is what Sylar does on Elle and James Martine, while Peter just has to be with a person. He copied invisbility without knowing Claude for example. From my understanding of the words, empathy should be used to describe when Sylar copies an ability through non-brain examination, and Peters old ability should have been referred to as sympathetic mimicry or something.
      • Empathy may be the right word to use but if we did people might think Sylar had Empathic mimicry (Peter's old ability, whatever you wanna call it). It's just easier to say Sylar has two ways to gain abilities: 1) examine their brain or 2) understand their situation and where they're coming from. Both ways are still using Intuitive Aptitude though, both understanding. --Peter 17:29, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Yes, it's just I've heard Sylar has been using empathy; but people dont seem to understand like we do. da_carnivore
          • Peter's power is only empathic if he has to use it at a distance from the owner of the power. Before he empaphized he could mimic powers like a chameleon, but when he thought about how they made "HIM" feel. Its about how they are imprinted on his memory, and thats how he has access to them. This was all shown when claude throught Peter off the rooftop.

Acquiring Abilities

In seasons 1 and 2, if Sylar were to cut open Peter's head, would he acquire all of Peter's abilities, or just empathic mimicry?-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:13, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think only EM, since that was his core ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:20, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • In .07% after sylar watches peter go invisible he states that he "can't wait to try that one". This is after he already knows that peter has multiple powers. This suggests that he would take all of them. There's also the fact that arthur was able to use his abilities when he stole them.
      • I would think that he could only take the abilities that Peter knew how to use. For example, Peter was near Molly and absorbed her power unknowingly (which is why he hasn't used it), so Sylar wouldn't he able to use it. He could use invisibilty or flight, though. --Peter
        • disagree. Peter accidentally used D.L.'s phasing without even knowing he had it. If sylar took peter's powers, why wouldn't he be able to make discoveries also?
          • Peter only used phasing accidentally after he Haitian erased his memories, when he was still incarcerated at Primatech, he seemed pretty aware that he had the ability when he escaped with Adam. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:20, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Sylar-Nathan

I think we should have a picture of Sylar-Nathan listing to and fixing the clock from An Invisible Thread. I'll ask the screen-cap guys, although the last time I asked for something.....it never was delivered. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 17:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Know how long Hiro freeze time

Sylar already knows by looking at a clock or a watch how fast or slow it is going: chandra's watch, an invisible thread he changes a watch.50000JH

Sylar detects the flaws in the clock, not that time isn't going the way it should be, when time freezes, so do clocks. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:54, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

It happened again,only this one is to LOL at HeroesWikia

Heroes Wikia has gone hell down under.They copied a lot of our names (Empathic Mimicry,Precognitive Dreaming,Electric Manipulation,My god they use so much bad grammar a lot if you check everything else it just totally sends me to LOL) but the intuitive aptitude is the only one that is actually amusing. They named it INTUATIVE or INTUTIVE Aptitude instead of intuitive.BTW they copied a lot of our article's descriptions (in fact just the Genesis episode article for an example for what I mean)--ZeroTime 23:42, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

  • In Heroes Wikia's defense (not that it excuses direct copying or bad grammar), many of the names given in the Heroes universe are somewhat taken from Heroes Wiki. For instance, the name for Sylar's ability was proposed by Hardvice back in the day. It was later given on Sylar's Assignment Tracker 2.0. Of course, it was spelled right...but I don't think any Heroes site would be worth their salt if they didn't call Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude". :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

give back a power, restore power/ copy power

This may sound odd but when somebody with aura or power absorbtion then they can't use their power but still in effect inside them, but if somebody with activation and deactation touches them they get the power back with side effect, if somebody who has Intuitive aptitude use it would he see how to restore the power even if was taken? 50000JH

...If I'm interpreting your question right, yes, I think so. By the way, my interpretation is, "If somebody lost their ability, would Sylar be able to 'fix' it?"--ERROR 19:41, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Lose a strong power, retain a weak one

Intuitive aptitude is a strange ability. Powers Sylar absorbed via brain examination were gone due to Shanti virus, and he was very adept at using them. And he's worse at a few of abilities he absorbed through empathy, but the virus cannot remove them. Why so? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • When Sylar uses brain examination to gain an ability is is a direct extension of IA so he automatically is adept with this new ability. Empathy is a bit of a stretch for him, or at least harder for him to use, so he isnt automatically adept. Why the virus cant remove them is maybe because theyre more stuck with them? I dunno. Probably because he empathetically-absorbed them into his brain rather than kinda stealing/brain examination-absorbing them. --Peter 07:42, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

I think this might been asked before

Could Sylar copy machiences as they can be considered systems in a way, by the same way he could study the brains of his victims. I was thinking he study a CT scanner the machiences that are use in hosiptal to study people brains.50000JH

  • Don't know if he can learn how to act like a CT scan, but he did read books on brain examination, they were visible in his apartment when Mohinder and Eden went there in Season One. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:28, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
  • Erm, and has Sylar ever used his ability on anything different than clocks and brains? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • It says his abilities is to analyse complex system, in one season Clair said that lizards can regenerate like she can, whales and bats can hear sonic sound so if he study animals brains could he copy those as well.(50000JH)
  • No... That's impossible. Cockroaches are immune to radiation, yet Peter never mimicked such an ability because it isn't an ability at all. And one was in Sylar's proximity, but he didn't obtain this "ability" either. Seems like only humans have special abilities, and mimics can acquire abilities from them only. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

http://www.thehindu.com/seta/2008/02/28/stories/2008022850671500.htm have reported this is a myth.50000JH

  • I'm not sure how reliable of a source that is.--PJDEP 16:26, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Peter and IA

The end of season 3 got me thinking. Some people say that he absorbed all of Sylar's current powers, others say that he could only absorb one power at a time. My theory is this. If he could only absorb one of Sylar's powers at a time, he could absorb IA again. Then he wouldn't be handicapped anymore by his new(er) power. Why is this? Because, he wouldn't need to lop off a persons head to examine a new power, since some of you already said he could study them through empathy, copying their power. Then he would be able to harness as many powers as he wants thanks to IA, instead of having to be handicapped and only using one power. ~~chuabacca

  • That's the problem, we don't know how many of Sylar's powers Peter took. He demonstrated shape shifting, and it looked like he didn't have regeneration. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • Yeah true. If all that he does have is shapeshifting, then he might realize that Nathan is really Sylar next time he touches him. But I'm still really hoping the Peter got a hold of all of Sylar's abilities.~~chuabacca

Rule of Ted

I reckon people with this ability can't see how the hunger is created by examining another person with this ability and the writers have done this so they can't stop for ever. 50000JH

  • We can't say that, we never had someone with the ability to look into the brain of someone else with the same ability, to see if they can understand the hunger. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's dad and Peter had this ability. I'm saying if it did happen I would feel that they can't anaylse the hunger bit of the power, I maybe wrong, but I don't think it will make Intuitive aptitude the ability it would be if Sylar could anaylse the hunger part. I recoken it like people with different types of Autism they can hold so much information in thier head, there is a man in america who can tell you what day you been born and when Easter last fell earl, the left and right hemisphere of the brain did not devolop so the message in the brain get mess around (maybe not the right wording) , there was also another man who learn't to speak fluent Icelandic from scrap and experts would said that it be impossivle. They might not know how they could do those thing. sorry if it unclear but hoplfuly you can see the point I'm trying 50000JH

  • If Sylar let his father look into his head, the latter could have discovered the secret how to stop the hunger. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • or so you assume. Gamerelite1 15:14, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Examples/gallery

Why do we have a gallery section and an examples section? Why haven't the two been merged already? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I was just wondering that. I'm for making an Examples page but I don't think we have enough images yet. --Leckie -- Talk 15:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Why isn't arthur listed as having this ability?

He clearly took it from peter.Gamerelite1 15:16, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

  • He took it, but he never accessed it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:30, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
  • And sylar never accessed imprinting, in fact we only assume he took it, but he's listed as having absorbed it. Double standard?Gamerelite1 07:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • Arthur did have IA, but his infobox only lists the powers he had demonstrated. Otherwise it would be full of Peter's powers, who also may have absorbed more than he displayed. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Well we list him as having stolen empathic mimicry even though he didn't access it. Why are we listing him as having some powers, but not others when we know he has them?Gamerelite1 13:49, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • Because he never demonstrated them, it's more than likely that he had all of Peters powers but it hasn't been proven so it's just speculation - Jenx222 | U / T / C 13:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)
          • "You don't have your powers anymore, Peter. I do." I agree. That sounds incredibly speculative.Gamerelite1 23:40, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Arthur never demonstrated the ability, so we don't list him as having it, just like how we didn't list Peter as having, say, clairvoyance.--ERROR 19:47, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Charlie

Should't there be images of Sylar saving Charlie? --Boom D  12  17:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Examples page

Why doesn't this ability has an example page?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)

  • We don't exactly have that many examples, which is the only reason we would make one. I don't know if we've listed all the times Sylar's used it though. --mc_hammark 15:39, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • We got enough to start an examples page thats for sure, all the times Sylar fixing a watch or hearing a Time piece, or Charlie's blood clot and he finds out that Hiro also has cancer, and a lot more so we got more than enough i think.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:41, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • He's used it enough times. If you can find more than 12 images then we can create a selected examples on this page, then an examples page, and remove the examples section. --mc_hammark 15:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • I would love to work on it (IA is one of my favorit abilities)-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • I think we should ask it to an admin.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
            • You guys are right on. If we have more than twelve images (meaning thirteen or more), we can make an examples page. If the examples have no images, we can just list all the examples on this page. However, if the list of examples is "super long" (which I don't think it is), then we can also create an examples page, like examples of clairsentience. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2010 (EST)
              • It's kind of hard to find all the examples of IA but I'm going to try it.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                • Straight out of my head I know, Peter fixing Sylar's watch and Sylar knows how Knox's ability works in I Am Become Death, Sylar fixing several watches in Six Months Ago, Sylar fixing Danko's watch in I Am Sylar, In Sylar's nightmare he lisens to several watches in The Wall, As Nathan he fixes a clock in An Invisible Thread, Sylar finds out about Charlie's bloodclot and later removes it and finds out about Hiro's cancer in Once Upon a Time in Texas, Sylar examines Claire's brain in The Second Coming. I think there are more but I'm still searching.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:07, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                  • I don't think Sylar could use this when he was in his nightmare. He couldn't use any of his abilities, and I don't remember hearing the clock sound we associate with this ability in that scene. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                    • And if we have images of all these examples, we have 9 images. But i do think there are more.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:12, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                      • If anybody knows more examples please put them here-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                        • He moved his weak spot with IA and Shape shifting.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:14, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                          • Yeah, in his nightmare he couldn't use it, but was trying to, hence why he had all the watches there, to see if he could get it to work. --mc_hammark 16:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                            • In Hysterical Blindness, he heard a clock and a watch waren't going on the same time, so without the nightmare we have 10 examples-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                              • Any time he took an ability, physically or empathically. --mc_hammark 16:22, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                • Should we really list them all? I'm ok with empathically. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                  • In Let It Bleed, Sylar knows how Lydia's ability works "You see what people want, their desire, their hopes", was he using IA?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                    • At the end of I Am Become Death Peter teleports into Sylar's cell and Sylar inmiditly detects that Peter has the hunger, So we got 11 examples (without detecting Lydia's ability) -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                      • But guys i do need an answer if we should list Sylar detecting Lydia's ability, because than we have 12 examples.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  • I would think it was, but then you'd still need one more. --mc_hammark 16:57, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • Ok, 12 examples we are almost there.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • Got it! In Parasite, Sylar detects Peter's ability "You're like me aren't you? I'd like to see how that works", so should we make an page now because we got 13 examples?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • Only if there are 13 images. If it's just a list of thirteen (or more, even) examples, then we don't need a whole new page to list thirteen examples. I would think that many of the examples above don't have a good image to go along with them--and we really shouldn't "force" an image, meaning we don't need just a bunch of pictures of Sylar talking. (The examples of telepathy page borders on being just a bunch of pictures of Matt staring.) So the examples should definitely be added to this page (the page has long been in need of a list of examples), but probably not on a separate examples page. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:20, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • Remember, Matt not only stares, he tilts his head to the side, as noted my Mr. Millbrook. ;) --mc_hammark 11:39, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Blocking Powers?

From what I've seen, it seems like Intuitive Aptitude also allows Sylar to block certain powers such as Doyle (When he fought him for the first time in Primatech). Another time was when the one girl with Mind Control tried to get him to shoot himself, it didn't work. And if I remember correctly, he also blocked Elle's Electricity once. So maybe once he sees the ability in use once, he can understand its weakness and then block the power?