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empath?

Didn't Edgar call Peter an empath? Does this mean something?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:20, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

• Maybe, but I think that Pete's always has been known to be an empathic character. That's just my guess. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 01:07, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

This could mean that the ability is empathy but the means of absorbing the power differ through job etc Peter saves one life at a time he can only absorb one ability at a time. -Yippee ki ya 03:15, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• I agree, in part. The reference could be to the nature of his core ability, or it could be foreshadowing the episodes of the upcoming season. Nothing more tantalizing to us fan boys than for the writers to name-drop an ability we are all hoping will pop up again.Fourletterfame 08:19, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
  • You know what I think? Have this in your mind first: Peter absorbed Edgar's super speed without touching him, he only touched his knife. I think, Peter's ability of Replication just evolved to Empathic mimicry (much like Tracy's and Matt's abilities evolved allowing them to do more things) but the writers aren't saying that literally just yet so we don't get our hopes up xD. Meteoritu =D- 20:53, September 23rd 2009
    • Just because we didn't see it, it doesn't mean he didn't touch him, he could have very well done it when he picked Edgar up to throw him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:07, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
      • We didn't see Peter take shape shifting either (I know the door was shut, but still).--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:51, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I got two shots first one is a bit blurry but both show Peter's hand on Edgar's sleeve.Here Here-Yippee ki ya 14:32, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
          • I already noticed the second image shown above. That's where he gained Edgar's power. --09:04, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
            • Meteoritu however thought Peter only touched Edgar's knife so it was for his benefit -Yippee ki ya 14:32, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
• Edgar saw that Peter replicated his super speed. He has no evidence of any other previously replicated powers (maybe a hint of strength, to throw the guy), let alone the concept that Peter lost power to gain the speed. Therefore, he might assume an effect similar to or the same as Peter's original Empathic Mimicry. On the other hand, I fail to see how his current power can't be described as a form of empathy... he is still absorbing powers. Just through contact, and he can only hold on to one... --EkimCF 13:28, 11 November 2009 (EST)

I think Matt junior's activation power could activate peters intuitive aptitude aspect as empathetic mimicry as his present power is a mere shadow of its former self.Then again maybe peter has retained the same ability but just lacks a fundamental intuitiveness, the aptitude and reslove, to activate it.He's lost his way so to speak and witout the premise of empthay in sight he franticaly tries to save peoples lives 1 at a time maybe he should push himself to the edge to find himself again... empthaty mimicry is substansive aspect of his chacracter not his power its this that allows him to absorb and retain them but empthay alone isnt the the super ability.. he still has that.. its inherant to him and him alone, all he needs to do is find that which matters most instead of filling the void with saving random peoples lifes ... comon peter your not a one trick pony ! become who you were born to be..

Mohinder's Ability

At the start of Orientation Peter has Mohinder's ability, so the Abilities Replicated section should show Mohinder's Ability in between Shape Shifting and super speed. This is confirmed by dialouge Peter says to Noah " in my job it helps to be strong and agile, thank you Dr. Suresh. It's a pretty convienent power." I'm going to make the change based on that evidence. --D Toccs 05:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• The question is, which one of Mohinder's abilities did Peter refer to? The old one or the current one? The old one no longer exists, and the current one has been already replicated by Peter once in A Clear and Present Danger and is listed. AltesUTC CH
• So it's a continuity error on the part of the writers, but Peter clearly was jumping high and ripping car doors off there hinges before meeting Edgar. That is not shape shifting and he says in dialouge he got the ability from Mohinder so we should be listing it as the article is inaccurate. --D Toccs 05:55, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
  • It may be possible that Mohinder kept the jumping aspect of his ability after being cured with the formula, since it's related to strength, not that sticky goo. AltesUTC CH
    • The point is that in Orientation Peter clearly has a different power than shape shifting. We have a canon source that says he got the power from Mohinder so it should be added to the abilities replicated page section. That is my point. This should also be be discussed at Mohinder's page as to the extent of his curent abilities. --D Toccs 06:04, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes, I agree with that. The only thing - it cannot be Mohinder's old ability... unless Peter time traveled. AltesUTC CH
        • Agreed, I see it as a continuity error of the writers. I guess that means that Mohinder also still has the agility and jumping aspects of his ability. Personally him being left with only strenght never sat well with me. --D Toccs 06:10, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
          • Though he looks more like he's coordinating his jumps than he's being agile. For me fast and agile is how he got after Edgar. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
          • When Mohinder possessed his old ability he developed scales on his skin and web from his fingers, which Peter did not, indicating that Peter only replicated his repaired ability of enhanced strength. EvilMaldini - 23:58, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
            • Also Peter didn't show aversion to light, nor he drank litres of chocolate milk, nor he climbed walls, nor he seduced women. It's just strength and agility. AltesUTC CH

When did Peter learn to fight?

Before now, Peter hadn't really shown any fighting skill, but now he holds his own against a guy who seems like an expert knife-fighter?--Cro Magnon 14:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Could be that Peter was faster than Edgar which means it would be easier to block, like fighting someone who's in slow motion to you. -Yippee ki ya 14:43, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Paramedic

I know Peter still wants to help people, but lately, it seems like that is all he wants to do. (His apartment/newspaper headings). And he is kind of obsessed with gaining new abilities to help him. It just doesn't seem natural and not like the peter that tried to help, but still had a life.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:31, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

• I think of it like that he doesn't want his life. He doesn't want to be a part of his life because of his sinful family.. ~~IHH—Talk 21:46, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Power

Now, I think he has acquired intuitive aptitude. He seems to know how to use his repliated abilities when he gets them. Though, he wants to save them. This might sound funny, but his power kind of sounds like it would be Intuitive empathy. Having a sort of need to help people and wants anything (meaning powers) to help him with that--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:55, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

• Peter's new ability always gave him equal control to the person he took it from. For example, when he breaks into Building 26 with Matt, he's able to do everything Matt could do with his telepathy. The exception would be Tracy when he froze Flight 195, but we already know that was when he accidentally took the ability. Peter's always been innately empathic, it's why he made such a good nurse, but that's not an ability per se.I certainly wouldn't say he has IA, because he's shown no signs of the hunger, can only use one ability at a time (and thus can't hold IA and Super Speed), and can't determine how systems work.Swm 05:05, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Yeah, and you don't need to have IA to want more powers. Who wouldn't? AltesUTC CH
    • I think the amount of control peter has over his own ability, affects the amount he can control others. Right now he has nearly mastered his ability replication, so he is able to master abilities he takes in a matter of seconds. It would make sense.Gamerelite1 19:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

So are you saying that Peter can keep and recall abilities back.User:50000JH/signature

• • • • No, I think he's saying that because peter can control his ability at a certain level (say 78%) he has the same amount of control over any ability he copies, but only one at a time. --mc_hammark 14:14, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
        • That's exactly what I was sayingGamerelite1 18:34, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Terrakinesis?

It should be noted that after Samuel met up with Peter (and shook his hand), not only did Peter not use super speed anymore, but the tattoo on his arm moved. Now, this could just be Samuel screwing with him, but it could just as easily be that Samuel managed to get Peter to accidentally take his power, while giving him just enough ink to have it "activate" like that. Food for thought over the next week. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:42, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

• It was very clear for me that the tattoo moving was Samuel's doing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • The only thing we don't know is, was it because samuel was present within a cartain radius of peter or was he controlling it using his ability. --mc_hammark 14:30, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • The tattoo moved and Peter noticed it only after Samuel noticed Peter was there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:55, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I watched that part again, and peter notices something on his arm as they're walking to the scene (before they actually show the tatoo). When the compass tatoo starts spinning on Peter's arm, Samuel doesn't look like he is controlling it, but simply watching. It's also the same tatoo that Samuel shows Hiro in the first episode, which implies to me that Peter has Samuel's power now.benlinus
        • Nothing points against Samuel being able to control his ability without moving, as far as I'm concerned, he was controlling it remotely. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

Flint, or Meredith?

So I just noticed that in the list of Peter's previous empathic mimicry abilities (Before Arthur), his ability to use fire is credited to Flint. Now I'm having a twitch of trouble remembering when Peter and Meredith were ever close, but whose to say that they weren't? Meredith's flames are orange, while Flint's are blue. When Peter uses his fire, his is orange as well, and when in the alternate future of the first season, a future that wouldn't have seen Flint escape (He would have been killed for being a 'terrorist), Peter is again seen with orange flaming hands. As we've seen, even when the future changes, small stuff still comes true. Nathan still became a powerful politician, Daphne still got killed, Sylar still ended up playing Nathan's life. Maybe Peter still got his fire power from Meredith.--Kooliki 00:39, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

• I don't believe Peter and Meredith were ever close--or have even met each other--that we've seen onscreen or in a graphic novel. The first future Peter (from Season One) definitely got pyrokinesis from Meredith--that was confirmed in an interview with writer-producers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite. But this current Peter got his pyrokinesis from Flint. He used it in I Am Become Death, but he got it from Flint in the episode before, One of Us, One of Them, when Peter comes out of Jesse Murphy's body and encounters Flint at the bank. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:59, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Alright. Well then is it safe to assume that Flint Gordon's fire is blue simply because he's honed his pyrokinesis to such a degree that he can increase the heat of his flame?--Kooliki 01:11, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Probably. Either that, or that ability manifests itself differently in different people. But probably because he's worked on increasing the heat in his flames, as we read in Playing with Fire. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:51, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I think it stated somewhere that Flint fire was blue because he manipulate it to be hotter then his sister. I don't remember Peter holding a blue flame but as for Sylar, yes his flame was blue.. probably because of his original ability which is intuitive aptitude. Yes, I believe Peter got his pyrokinesis from flint. I think it was the bank scene? The reason his flame is orange is because he don't know how to manipulate his fire to be the same level of those to Flint's.Sei relo
        • In a GN showing Meredith and Flint's past, he says he worked to make it extra hot. Peter used blue flames in I Am Become Death when he went to Costa Verde see Sylar. Sylar never had pyrokinesis, the only thing blue he ever had in his hand was a freezing ability, which he lost to the Shanti virus, and electric manipulation, which he still has, nothing to do with intuitive aptitude. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Hmm.. well, I thought I've seen Sylar with pyrokinesis... because I rememebered a future scene where he fought with Peter. Peter was orange and Sylar was blue.. I'm not sure.. can't really seem to remember... Sei relo
            • That was the freezing ability he took from Molly's father, which he lost to the Shanti virus. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:04, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Funny Thing

I thought it was really funny when Peter tried running and was like WTF when he absorbed Emma's power, I think this season is getting better and better by the episodes--Skyeatsout 22:44, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

• Same thing was with Volume Four, I remember everyone saying each episode is better than the previous one =) AltesUTC CH
  • Agree and agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

• • • Funny ? I'm not talking about what the result was (a good thing) but come on. Peter doesn't even realize he absorbed her power ???? Do you even realize what this means ?

His power is even worst than empathic mimicry. The fact that he couldn't use superspeed against his will just made me mad. It didn't made me laugh at all. He has the worst ability of the show, you guys are ok with it, cool, I'm not.

• I, personally, think Emma's ability would be amazing to have! You'd never be bored, the world would be colorful and bright! And hey, didn't you see what she did when she was frustrated at the end of the episode. It seems like an awesome ability. --Scorvi12 08:05, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't complain about Peter having Emma's power (while it's true, he touched dozen of "specials" and never got their powers but...), I complain about Peter's power's crapiness.

Emma's power is cool ? Great. Then Peter will just touch somebody randomly and lost it. That's why I complain. He can't choose anything, otherwise he would have felt Nathan had Sylar powers, he can't control it since he wasn't aware he changed his power... And having only one at time just make things worst. It's completely random now and that just bloody sucks. And don't even pretend that's because he was "in shock" after saving Emma, since he went through a lot worse in volume 4 and still kept the crappy flight ability while he touched a lot of special persons.

• Well now at least it solves the debate over whether or not Peter can hold on to multiple abilities. But i think, just like the other characters, his emotions caught up with him and took over (just like tracy in the previous episode) even though he is in control. It was kind of obvious since they focused specifically on his hand on her elbow, although i'm disappointed by the lack of visual demonstration. --mc_hammark 08:55, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
• I'm annoyed at the inconsistency in his ability to acquire another special's ability. When fighting Sylar, Peter can seemingly pick and choose which of Sylar's many abilities he wants. When fighting Edgar, Peter deliberately acquires Edgar's ability with perfect control and timing. However, when touching Nathan/Sylar, he senses nothing despite Nathan/Sylar demonstrating TK. When hugging Claire at HRG's apartment, he does not absorb her regeneration and lose his speed. When shaking Samuel's hand, he (apparently) does not acquire Samuel's ability (though because of the compass tattoo this is still somewhat vague), but Peter certainly doesn't lose speed. When holding his mother's hand in Hysterical Blindness, he does not acquire her ability. So, why does he absorb Emma's? The writers made a big deal this episode about Peter trying to "reconnect" with people - lets hope they are going somewhere with this. I HATE IT when comic book writers de-power heroes. It never works for long - the fans get annoyed, and the writers always revert the character to their former power. I am running out of patience with this show. The same goes for Hiro. The biggest disappointment for me is that the writers offered glimpses of the true potential of both Hiro and Peter through their future selves. Unfortunately, we get lumped with these current handicapped versions in a bad teen soap opera. -- Stang.

An Empath again?

I have noticed a a couple things.

• 1.) There is no light transfer when he replicates an ability.
  • Its probably a decision to be deliberately vague about Peter taking a power, so people like us speculate. Or perhaps its just budget cuts. --Stang 20:18, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Or his power have already evolved a bit  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
  • Evolved? Wishful thinking. Its gone backwards. Still one power at a time, and he doesn't even have perfect control of when he chooses to take an ability, as witnessed with Emma. Until its made perfectly clear that Peter can have more than one power at a time, or that he can replicate an ability without touch, there is no evidence of any evolution of his ability. For the time being, we are stuck with handicapped Peter.--Stang 20:30, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
• 2.) He may be losing control of his ability (replicating enhanced synesthesia)
• 3.) The writers aren't making his ability usage clear this season (Edgar and now Emma)

So I'm thinking, maybe he still only holds on to one ability, but who he touches with an ability, he passively gets it. And maybe the reason why this is happening all of a sudden, is because he is back to helping people. In Fugitives, he was focused on saving his own life, but now he is back to really dedicated life saving. Thoughts?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT) -Agreed I think we will see his old power coming back, well i hope so at least like his Father's but doesn't take it just copys it and keeps it--Skyeatsout 16:55, 13 October 2009 (EDT).

• If Peter absorbs abilities passively, but still retains only one, that would be really lame. AltesUTC CH
• I've got a question on Peter original ability and the abilities he have. First off, we all know that his emphatic mimicry ability was taken away and he got a new ability which is ability replication. On Peter character pages, it is stated that his emphatic mimicry ability is lost. This brought me to a question. I thought he regained his emphatic mimicry ability? The fight with Sylar? Did he? Sei relo
  • First of all, Sylar doesn't have empathic mimicry, his ability is just intuitive aptitude. We don't know how many of Sylar's powers Peter took, but most likely one - shape shifting, because he couldn't regenerate after the fight with Sylar and later at his cremation, and it's unlikely he would discard all of Sylar's powers in Mohinder's enhanced strength's favor. So Peter's ability is still ability replication, but it seems it's developing. AltesUTC CH
• Also, regarding he could be a better user at other people ability when copied, is it because of Sylar intuitive aptitude ability which he might have copied from Sylar when he 'regained' his emphatic mimicry ability from Sylar? Since Peter triumph over Edgar fighting with the super speed ability. I mean Edgar have that ability for how long and Peter just got it and Peter uses it better.. anyone care to share their thought with me?Sei relo
  • No, when peter absorbs a power, he usually knows how to use it and can use it at a higher level then people with the ability, this is not linked to sylars IA, Peters abilitie just works like that  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
  • Peter had super speed in Volume Three, before it was taken away by Arthur. He didn't use it much, but that could count as an experience. AltesUTC CH
  • I assume Peter's replicated abilities give him control equal to the person he replicated it from. For example, when breaking into Building 26 Peter was able to do everything Matt could do (such as giving telepathic commands). With Edgar, I think he was equally fast and could just fight better then he did. His superiority may be due to what Altes says, that he is familiar with the power from his experiences with Daphne.Swm 07:48, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Reconnecting

Lets hope peter is reconnecting with people in this volume. and i also believe like other people, that his ability is evolving again, it could be that he got the empathic aspect of his power back. Taking a power without touching people, but this isn't proven yet, since he touched everyone for their powers now. and the reason he took the power of Emma, could be of his emotion being high atm, cause afterall she was almos hit by a bus. but all of this isn't proven yet. But i love to see him getting his old power back. And now something farfetched :p he will borrow hiro's powers , go back in time get his old power back or something :p or he just will have his old EM agian :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

• His emotions were MUCH HIGHER in volume 4, in several moments, and nothing happened.
  1) At the beginning of V4, HE WAS SAVING LIVES ! Sylar is killing everyone but is considered empath ?! Peter was always connected to Claire, but he never got his power...
  2) His future selves were so totally not empathic, but still had plenty of powers.
  It was just an excuse for the writers. Now that he connected to people, his power evolved. In the worst way possible, it now has all empathic mimicry problems (he can't control it, he loses powers, he takes powers without even noticing it, so literraly against his will...) BUT STILL HAS THE LIMITATION OF ABILITY REPLICATION. So what the hell is that lame power ? I mean it's like the lamest thing they've done on the season so far. At least if he could pick abilities without touching but still one at the time, he could be equally powerful as the others, while matching Sylar (changing constantly his powers by picking one on him...). But No, their great idea was to make the power even more crappier. As if it was not enough.
  It's been since episode 3x06 that we're waiting for Peter to get his powers back. And ability replication is not what we can call "powers". Let's sum up :
  3x01 - 3x04, he was in jessie's body, had only sound manipulation. Then for one episode he's awesome. Then he's in the coma. Then Arthur stole all of his powers. For half of the volume he is powerless. Then for volume 4, he got flight THE WHOLE VOLUME ! (And telepathy...) While only appearing in 6/12 episodes of the volume ! (I don't count the 2 seconds he appeared at the end of some episodes) So now what, they said to themselves that it would be cool to see Peter struggle with his powers, like season 1 ? Like when he couln't fly and fell to the ground, that was "fun". We have to speculate now. Yeah, but in the worst possible way. We don't speculate as we used to, now it's just because we don't know how much crappy it is. Not because we like it. So seriously, I don't know what they're waiting for. There seem to have NO possible evolution to this power since they don't want him to get more than one power. So he will just be as lame for the whole volume ? Come on, I'm still watching the show mainly for Peter, it's getting very annoying that, they even pretend that is power is perfectly OK and that even Peter is OK with it, as if this bloody downgrade was just a minor thing... Even Samuel thinks Peter is lame, since he chose Sylar... While Peter did show empathy toward him, so I don't think the writers even consider his crappy power as a problem. It's hopeless.

• First of all, the reason perhaps took sylar was because he saw the image on lydia's back and knowing it would be easier to make sylar evil then peter, Peter wouldn't help Samuel if he knows his intentions, also his powers are fine, if their gonne evolve at some part.
  Peter has always been a good character, and you can't compare them emotions he have for emma to the ones he had for claire, also he din't meet claire that often after he got his new power, it was to soon fr his powers to evolve at that point.
  He wasn't the peter back then trying to reconnect to people, He only tried to reconnect in the latest episode, and peters current ablity isn't lame, it will develop into something better in time, its all about the way he needs to have his emotions(empathy) back into his way of life, he could be become the old peter we knew who was empathic with people.
  We shall find out in next episodes  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

• • I for one am fine with Peter the way he is. From a storytelling point of view, EM is a horrifically busted power. If Peter were to get back his EM, he would quickly become close to a God again and render all the other characters obselete. As well as that, they'd have to make him more naive again, otherwise when he learned how to use all his powers properly it would be near impossible to kill him. Imagine Peter just with ST manipulatation and RCR, for a moment. Now I can only kill him by taking his head off, and since he can stop time and teleport I'm never going to be able to get near enough unless I have the Hatian running around with me (just look at what happened with Arthur). Add an truly offensive power like Freezing into the mix and he's virtually invincible. How do you tell a story around a character like that? There's no suspense because nobody and nothing can kill him. Or if you go down the route of him having all this power and not knowing how to use it, as they did in Season 1-3, then you get fans complaining about him being stupid, even though it's the only way it can work. His power now IS perfectly ok. It's balanced and still keeps in touch with Peter's defining charasteristic, that he is nothing without his friends. We have no evidence for it evolving other then the fact he involuntarily took Emma's ability. If he can retain it even after picking up another power, which he probably will next episode, then we may have grounds for his EM returning (to a degree). But I for one hope he doesn't, because it will only lead to Peter being a Superman again. What I'm seeing here doesn't appear to be much more then a rant about how Peter's now on the same power level as everyone else, besides Sylar. I honestly like the way he is now...less godly and more intelligent. If you don't, that's your opinion, but I'm not really seeing a good argument for why.Swm 07:44, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
    • You can't turn Superman into Crappyman all of a sudden.

As you said, they killed Arthur. I LOVED your "besides Sylar", as if Peter wasn't meant to be his rival -__- . So what ? What we loved during 3 volumes, we just have to forget it, and see Peter having that lame power ? It's true he doesn't make other characters obselete now. That's the point, HE IS obselete now. All the characters have several powers (Hiro : time freezing, teleporation, time traval, Ando : Kamehameha, super charger, Tracy : Freezing, water manipulation, turning into water, Matt : Mind control, telepathy, etc...) they all learn to live with it and make it evolve. Peter is the only one that isn't doing that. Or actually, his power evolves, but backwards ! Ok, you two people like that, well, 95% of Peter's fans don't. I completely agree with the fact that EM is too powerful. But Ability replication is, now since it's totally random, the worst power of the show. They could have found a way to mix the two powers, to balance it. Make Peter able to copy one's power, maybe without touch, which would have allowed him to copy several abilties in a row against Sylar, but he would not overpower the other characters. But NO, now it's like the beginning of volume 4 again, he doesn't even realize what powers he got, if he takes a new one or what... Lame. Peter was meant to be epic. He can't be with that power, that's a fact.

• Other characters don't have several powers, they merely have powers which account for several effects: Hiro's power is space-time manipulation, accounting for teleportation, time freezing and time travel; Ando's ability supercharging augments abilities, but he can still use the energy of the ability in an offensive way; Tracy's ability is again, one umbrella ability which accounts for freezing and becoming water, and where did you get water manipulation? The only water she is capable of controlling is the water she becomes; Matt's telepathy is the same thing, if it involves manipulation of thoughts, he can do it. Peter probably didn't notice he took a power because he's starting to connect with people again, it could be turning the act of acquiring an ability into something passive, just like his old ability, though still limited by physical contact. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Here's a good argument for why Peter's ability is lame, iffy and downright insulting. Sylar, I rest my case.Fourletterfame 17:21, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I have mixed feelings. EM is very hard to write, and after Peter has shown that he has a brain, I'd hate to see him become "stupid" again. OTOH, I loved the Peter vs Sylar fights, and currently Sylar would make mincemeat of Peter in a direct fight.--Cro Magnon 18:04, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Well currently I'd say Peter would win what with Sylar not knowing how to use his powers, who he is etc. and Enhanced Synesthesia seems pretty powerful considering the end of Hysterical Blindness! --mc_hammark 18:10, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Sylar's case is different from Peter's. Why? He's a villian. In order for villians to provide a challenge they must be more powerful then the heroes, which means multiple powers or a stronger power then normal (Adam). If they are not they can't be threatening, because we know any of the heroes could kill them. Maybe you loved watching Peter when he was a god, but I knew it would end badly if he was allowed to keep going like that. Peter's far from obselete, or did you not watch the end of season 3 where his ability was the only thing that could neutralise Sylar? Empath has done a good job explaining the point on multiple powers- they have one power that allows them to do several superhuman things. Ability Replication fits that defintion perfectly, in fact it has far more variety then anything else in the show (save IA). AR isn't "lame" at all, and it's certainly not the weakest power on the show. Example: Nathan can fly, but if I have ability replication, I can do everything he can do, and still have far more possibilities if I take another power from someone else. Thus AR > Flight, and the same argument can be made for every other power on the show save maybe Sylar's. If Peter were able to acquire multiple abilities, by any means, he would become overpowered. This is true of every character with multiple abilities- Arthur was a god, and died after one arc. Samson basically forgot most of his and only appeared once. Sylar had to be neutered twice (end of Season 1 and Season 3) to keep his character around for a long period of time. I very much doubt Peter's ability has become truly random in what he absorbs again, considering he took Edgar's ability just fine and had been doing for most of Volume 4. More then likely he took Emma's ability empathically and will be able to keep it when he swaps again. Peter might well have been "meant" to have been epic, but if it creates a character too strong for the story to handle, he's better off the way he is. If Peter's a god, then no villian is threatening, ever. That can't be good for the story in any possible sense. Swm 18:12, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Yet again peters is fine like he is now, I like it that hes trying to reconnect to people again, and if he would ever get his EM back, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Even if he can absorb all the powers and using them at a higher level, still its a challenge for the writers to make a good story of it. Imagine the possibities Peter could go to, Heroes can go any way then, and thats the good thing. I just love him trying to be emphatic again, and learning how he can help people without over powering. Peter is just awesome. We can go all directios now, and offcourse we have the 'love' aspect now with peter, with emma, lets hope they go deeper in that and in her past. I think emma will change peter, in a good way, he will become more knowing in what he wants to accomplish. Can't wait to see more in next upcoming episodes.  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

Peter (with AR) vs Sylar

In light of events in Hysterical Blindness, just exactly how did Peter survive fighting Sylar in the end of Season 3? This unanswered question frustrates me. We are left to speculate (which is good to a point), but I expected (and I think the audience deserves) some answers early in Season 4 as to what happened in that locked room. How did Peter not die? We saw in graphic detail how easily Sylar killed Nathan. So did Peter manage to grab Sylar and change powers at will to defend himself? This seems the only likely explanation to me. However, the episode Hysterical Blindness highlighted two main problems with this theory: 1. Peter was unable sense any of Nathan/Sylar's abilities when they touched, and 2. Peter was unable to control his acquisition of Emma's ability. So, given these events, while fighting Sylar how on earth could Peter choose the abilities he wanted or needed, when everything that occurred in Hysterical Blindness suggests Peter can't do this? Do we just put it down to inconsistencies in the plot?--Stang 22:00, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

• Maybe Peter has just started to lose control. He seemed to have plenty control in season 4.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:10, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Well my poin of view is, we all know peter can replicate powers from someone when he wants to right? like say, if he wants telepathy he can touch matt and replicate it, well i think peter did the same with Sylar, he was thinking of shapeshifting and by thinking of it and knowing what he wants, he took it. Its offcourse a tought, not what really happend  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
    • That sounds right. If Peter were to just dive right in and replicate, he could possibly end up with telekinesis. He may have had to think about which power he wanted.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:35, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
      • glad you share the same opinion a bit :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
    • I suspect that Peter could control what abilities he took during Volume 4- he's only now started to lose control of it. He took Edgar's ability just fine, after all. Based on the state of the locked room and the speed of Flight...I'm basically thinking that Sylar missed every shot with electric manipulation, with Peter getting a hand on him at the end and taking shapeshifting. Long shot? Probably, but the room was a mess after that battle, which meant Sylar must have missed at least a few shots. Peter is also slightly wounded at the end of that battle, though they look more like TK scars then anything else. I think AR works as follows: If Peter knows that the person he's touching has an ability, he can concentrate and take it. This is why he went for shapeshifting over, say, Tom's ability to disintegrate, because he knew about shapeshifting and didn't with the latter. Regarding Nathan, he wasn't trying to replicate Nathan's power (Flight or otherwise), in that scene, therefore he wasn't able to tell what abilities he had, even when he hugged him. His AR didn't start to be automatic until Emma and the bus, I would think. Swm 04:49, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Yep like we said :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
      • How do you know Peter didn't touch Sylar multiple times to discard his abilities one by one until he gets shape shifting. AltesUTC CH
        • That would a bit farfetched for now  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
        • That would require Peter to sense/perceive abilities in either the host or himself and we've seen that he can't. He didn't even know what ability he had in Hysterical Blindness. I put it down to poor writing.--Stang 02:33, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
• Fixed, I think. Have I? AltesUTC CH
  • Yes you did, thanks WaterRatj 05:06, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Ok I don't understand. We say that Peter is too weak to survive. You answer is "He must have touched Sylar and got shapeshifting, because he wanted that power !", and I have to say : What the hell ? Shapeshifting is the less offensive power SYLAR HAD, it's even worst than flight ! So what were they planning to do ? Outsmart Sylar while he's in the SAME ROOM SHOOTING LIGHTNING BOLTS AT THEM ? Yeah, this is sooooo much likely. They didn't even KNOW there was a seringue !!!! You do realize it makes no sense at all. Peter with shapeshifting was meant to die, the only reason he survived, is because Nathan flew Sylar off the window, which was NOT part of the plan. The plan was, I quote Peter "take him high, I take him low, let's cut that son of a bitch in two". Why are you trying to justify the silly plot by saying their plan was to outsmart Sylar ? Since it would make them utterly dumb characters. Nathan said Peter could do whatever Sylar could if he touched him. That's the point, their plan failed because of Peter's power's crapiness. They thought they could make Peter strong again, but it didn't work. Nathan got fried right at the beginning of the fight (we see it before door closed), then Peter touched Sylar, and got fried too, that's why he was bleeding and on the ground. Then Nathan flew Sylar off, since the plan had completely failed. It's only AFTER, that Peter stopped looking for Nathan, because he met Noah, with the seringue, and they improvised a new plan.
      • now thats where your wrong, Shapeshifting was a logical decision, peter knew he couldn't kill sylar, so no matter what ability he took, he wouldn't be able to stop Sylar, even if he took RCR, Sylar could kill peter with the killspot, but sylar moved his.
        So is only choice was to find a way to stop sylar without killing him, yes they din't knew there was a syringe, but he knew he could appose as the president to fool sylar, so its pretty smart. And the part where there saying you go high .... and so on, they knew they could't kill him with that either, that was a distraction.And nathan tried to keep Sylar busy for as long as he could. there that was my explanation, wich sounds way better  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

• I believe Peter did know about the syringe, because the first thing Noah says to him when he sees him is "did you take his power?" (ie. shapeshifting). That implies there was a plan and Peter was in on it. No, SS is not an offensive power, but if he was able to go for one of Sylar's that he didn't know about, he'd have taken Tom's ability and disintegrated him, right? The logical conclusion therefore is that he can only take if he knows what he's looking for, which means shapeshifting, TK, clairsentience, lightning, or RCR. Given Sylar can regenerate only RCR or shapeshifting are valid choices there. Yeah, at the end Peter probably only survived because Nathan flew Sylar out the window, but by that point they'd probably realised they couldn't kill him with Flight alone and Peter swapped powers to shapeshifting for Plan B, and so was more or less defenceless. They probably thought they could evade Sylar's attacks using Flight, and given the fact that both Peter and Nathan look fairly intact after the fight, they were right. On the "You take him high" point, that was just the initial plan of attack. Peter could easily have known from Noah about the syringe as a backup in case they couldn't kill him then and there. The plan was to outsmart Sylar if he couldn't be killed in the suite. Or do you think neither Nathan nor Peter realised just how strong Sylar really was? They couldn't hope to kill him with just flight. It's also referred multiple times in the episode to "taking Sylar's power". Power. Singular. Peter knows he can only hold one ability at a time, he admits that right at the start of Volume 4. He would know better then to think he could take all Sylar's powers, so why would they form a plan based on what he knows is wrong? They wouldn't, thus your entire argument seems to fall apart. So what are you suggesting, that Peter just happened to get lucky and get the one of Sylar's 10-12 abilities that would perfectly suit Noah's plan later? That's very farfetched, especially considering how smug Peter sounds in the president's car. Your argument seems poor. Swm 06:20, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
  • To who are you adressing 'your argument seem poor'?  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
    • Our unsigned poster above you. Given he doesn't leave his name I couldn't respond directly to him. My apologise WaterRatj, I think you've made some good points.Swm 06:58, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Thanks, was already scared you were talking to me  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

Possible development

Imagine Peter extending his hand, a beam of golden light hitting his target and transferring their abilities to Peter. Maybe logical, or maybe weird. AltesUTC CH

• Would be kewl though :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

Unnamed bystander - once again

If you are in doubt who was the source for Peter's super speed, isn't it speculative to say it was the bystander? We could write "unknown source" or something. AltesUTC CH

• I agree, I think that would be better. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I thought it was pretty clear he absorbed the power from Daphne. Product Placement 11:20, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • So did everyone, until we remembered there also was some random guy who sped Peter by... AltesUTC CH

Peter laughed in Tabula Rasa

I can't recall an episode in which Peter laughed before. It was strange to see. Has there been a previous episode in which he has laughed?--Stang 18:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

• When he was in the Odessa jail after homecoming.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • But he laughed a lot in this one. His laugh honestly made me smile :D --Skullman1392 22:55, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Made me think he was going crazy with power. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 02:20, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Wasn't Peter supposed to be "smart" since he was depowered ?

So what's the point now ?

A guy shoots at them. So of course, he won't freeze time BEFORE anything happens, and take the weapon off the kids'hands. Ok, but then, he just appears with no reason while Noah was convincing Jeremy, which of course, startles him, but it's even better, since Peter placed the shotgun on his chest ! (Why not on the left ??? where there wasn't Noah nor his vital spot) Still OK. But then, where I don't accept it : Why can't he teleport Jeremy to Hiro, heal Hiro, and then ask Hiro (or he could do it by himself actually) to teleport Jeremy back ??? He said HIMSELF Hiro might have only a few hours to live ! So why the hell does he drive all the way to the hospital ?! Hiro was in New York !!! They were pretty far ! Before, we had a Peter that didn't always use efficiently his powers, or who didn't act logicly, true. But at least he's done a lot of great thing ! Now what, he just has only one power, that he masters completely randomly, but yet he's still a non sense ? I could tolerate all of his when he was powerful, but since he's super lame, that starts to piss me off a little. And Oliver Grigsby, who never answers about spoilering questions, answered about Peter's power, saying he can only have one at a time. Which implicates we have nothing to wait about it ! So if it has to stay that way, Peter has to be PERFECT, one power is lame enough since he keeps changing it and never learns to fully master one like the other characters do.

• 1) Peter hasn't been using STM for a while, he isn't as good at it as before; 2) Jeremy was not to be worried any more, he could kill Peter while teleporting or kill Hiro as well; 3) Peter didn't mean to discard super speed in the first place, and I think he was glad to get rid of Emma's ability. Something like this. AltesUTC CH
  • I think Peter's simply concerned with acquiring the ability that can best help him save others. With the strength and the speed he wanted a method of reaching casualties faster, Emma's power admitedly was a mistake, he said to Hiro that he could move faster with his power- to attempt to save him- and the Healing power is the ultimate ability for saving lives. I think that's Peter's motivation for his choices. I think he isn't necesarily 'smart' or 'not smart' here, he just wants to help people, evolved human or not. (EvilMaldini)
    • The way I saw it, Healing Touch (or whatever we decide to call it) is the ultimate 'empathy' power for Peter at the moment. It's the perfect way for him to reconnect and help people. That's what I think anyway. PowerSink
      • Although, I could see this backfiring... Peter learns that Nathan dies, ends up killing others... just one possible example... —Skullman1392 17:39, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
• Multiple points: One, smart does not mean he doesn't screw up every now and then (like with still being shot). Two, Jeremy's clearly has little control over his ability at the moment, and if he had teleported him back, he might have killed Hiro by accident if he couldn't handle the power, so taking it himself was safer. Three, it's a good point that healing would, for Peter- a naturally caring person who is interested in saving as many people as possible- be the perfect power for him. Lastly, he admitted he wasn't the best at using STM (as he landed in the bathroom), and probably didn't want to try teleporting multiple people around (him, Jeremy, and Noah) with his limited practise. I can't say I mind how he was handled in this episode. Swm 12:07, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Lets get this straight. Jeremy has had his power for years and can't control it, yet somehow Peter will be able to use it better? That doesn't make sense. In the same episode Peter revealed that he needed practice with abilities to use them properly - e.g. when he teleported into the bathroom. And of course, this makes it seem completely implausible that Peter could of got the better of Edgar in a knife fight...--Stang 00:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Teleporting in the bathroom doesn't mean he's unskilled. He was only off from his destination by 20 feet. He's also had super speed before albeit for a short amount of time.
    • Also on a note, super speed doesn't really need control as such. If you think about the science of it, that ability just slows down time for the user whenever they want. --mc_hammark 15:15, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Also, maybe some abilities come more naturally to Peter than others. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Peter himself admitted that he's out of practise with STM after he landed in the bathroom- Sorry, it's been a while since I, uh, teleported. Jeremy couldn't control his ability because he was hardly in control of himself- we know anger sets off the drain and positive emotions set off the healing for him. Peter, on the other hand, doesn't have that problem, so it's quite easy to see how he'd be able to use it better. Though note I didn't actually say better, I just said safer. I certainly wouldn't trust the life of my friend to an emotional teenager if there was another option avaliable. Swm 15:42, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Peter and Jeremy's Healing Touch

Jeremy is now dead (Strange Attractors), but Peter has his ability to save Hiro. I can foresee a dilemma here for Peter in future episodes, where he (for whatever reason) may need to change powers, and thus forever lose Healing Touch before saving Hiro. Just a thought. --Stang 22:33, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

• I can see that happening too. Sad thought really. :( --Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:38, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Even worse, what if Peter switches powers by mistake, like he did with Tracy and Emma?--Cro Magnon 12:05, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

Future Evolution of Peter's Power

Like many commentors here I agree that Peter's current power leaves him a pale shadow of what he once was. However let's have a little faith in the writers...could they be planning for his powers to evolve in some way without making him so super powerful that they might as well rename the show Superman?:) I think so. Consider the following theory:

Peter has an unevolved version of his father's power. Evidence: 1. They both needed to touch someone to get their power, 2. Arthur's power would have been the last one Peter absorbed before he lost his empathic mimimcry so it makes sense that when he injected himself with the formula, it gave him this one, 3.When Peter touches someone (intentionally or unintentionally) you see a glow moving from them to him. This is similar to what we saw with Arthur but Arthur held on for longer. His power will evolve to Arthur's this season Evidence: 1. Hiro's power was lost in the same way (Arthur), also restored in a limited way (only time freeze), but he has now regained his teleportation. 2. It makes sense that Peter will eventually realise that Nathan is dead this season and that Sylar will escape Matt's mind - this makes for a great finale with a grief stricken but vengeful Peter getting hold of Sylar for long enough to suck all or some of his powers away, and like his father keep many of them at a time. ~Mbwilliams

• Firstly, if Peter were to get Arthur's power, I'm not seeing how that makes him "not super powerful". Arthur was arguably the most godlike character the show has ever had. Visual similarities (the glow and need to touch) aside, the only reason to think Peter has a form of Arthur's power is that it was the last one he absorbed, which isn't actually correct. He charged into a room full of specials at the time (Knox, Daphne, Flint, etc), and got their abilities at the same time. Therefore, I could say that it's a form of Knox's power, for example, and I'd clearly be wrong. The same would be true for Arthur. As for his power becoming Arthur's power, Hiro's was restored in a different way to the formula so there's no parralel between them (other then maybe Matt Junior being able to give Peter his old power back). Also saying, "I think it would make for a good finale, so it will happen" does not seem like a compelling argument to me. I doubt your theory is true. Swm 10:33, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
• 1) Arthur's ability was actually one of the first powers Peter absorbed. He manifested EM and absorbed Angela's precognitive dreaming before she poisoned Arthur. Peter must have never empathized with his father to mimic his power, or he just never chose to use it.
  

2) Interview with Masi Oka implies that baby Matt did restore Hiro's power completely, but it broke because he froze time with another person (Matt Jr.) immediately after his power returned.

3) Peter is a good person, I can't see him steal abilities from others no matter what. Unless he absorbs intuitive aptitude again, but even then he'll become like Sylar, not like his father. AltesUTC CH

• Granted Arthur was very powerful but only because he absorbed all of Peter's powers - ordinarily he would never be as powerful as Peter was before he lost EM.....although I admit there are alot of inconsistencies here, like when he takes Hiro's power even though he already has it AND retains all his other powers afterwards...
• I acknowledge that all my 'evidence' is completely circumstantial but I see the theory as a plausible way to evolve his power and finish the season. I am probably wrong but I haven't heard any better ideas, only people pointing out flaws.
• Peter will either:-

1. Get his old powers back, which will just mean the writers have to negate him again in future episodes 2. Evolve his current powers so he is more powerful, but not so awesome no one else can compete. This is where the above theory could fit in 3. Remain as he is. This will also mean Sylar will have to be negated by other means in future episodes in the same way Peter has been. ALSO Didn't they imply the genetic powers (not artificial) followed the Father?--Mbwilliams 12:48, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

• Arthur's power didn't work like Peter's- he didn't steal an ability and lose it once he got the next one. He stole it and then had it forever, so given enough time Peter would simply build up a power bank and become as bad as he was when he had EM. The same would be true of Arthur even if he never met someone with multiple powers. As far as a better idea is concerned...I don't even see why Peter's ability needs to evolve at all, to be honest. He's perfectly balanced and strong as he is, and the desire to buff him only comes from his fans who want him to be godlike again as far as I've seen. Sylar's probably going to be neutered once he gets his memories back if they don't incapacitate him in some way again (as they have now with his evilness in Matt's head). They've never really said that powers went along the fatherly line to my knowledge, the only examples of that seem to be Edward to Santiago, Samson to Sylar, and obviously Maury to Matt. There's no reason to assume that happens all the time. Swm 12:58, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

I thought Peter ability manisfeasted around the time of the death of his father, In unexpected I thought Peter said he felt a connection when his father passed away.[50000JH 16:35, 29 October 2009 (EDT)]

• Peter is strong as he is ? Now that it is proved he doesn't master all the powers, nor his actual one, how can you say so ? He's being lame more than awesome, you can't deny it. If you think it's so funny to see him handle that bad a lot of powers, his too, well good for you. "Peter's fans" as you say, are numberous. No one wants him to be godlike, as he used to be, we just want a powerful Peter. And I just so completely love your "Sylar will be neutered", as if it was possible. Sylar will stick around till the season finale. And that's the problem, if this season is the last one, Peter would have been garbaged since V4 for nothing ! It's not even sure he can take Samuel now ! So maybe you adore the weakened Peter, but you don't turn the most powerful heroe on the show into one of the most limited and then pretend everything is ok ! (Even Samuel says Sylar is the most powerful, even tought Peter and Arthur were much more stronger... Now Peter has just NO meaning, in any way. There isn't even any rivalry with Sylar nor his brother !) Godlike Peter is too powerful, no one denies that, but now, he's merely a shadow of what he used to be (and whatever you think, people learned to love him that way...). So I hope there is ANY evolution, whatever it is (multiple powers is not necessary, but maybe taking powers without touch, so he can take whatever Sylar has and match him in a fight, while not being more powerful than the other "single powered" heroes... (that are mostly more powerful than him actually...)

• I see what you are saying Swm but I'm not sure Arthur would ever have become as powerful as Peter if he hadn't taken Peter's Power. Plus we don't actually know he got all of Peter's Powers, or whether he kept old powers, he may just of got everything he needed from Peter.
• As you can see from the above unsigned user above there are many, many Peter fans who are watching the show mainly to see him restored in some way. I count myself among them and we need to see Peter able to atleast take multiple abilities from a single person (i.e not just pathetic shape shifting from Sylar), or pick and chose what he takes...I think developing his Dad's power would be a good way to go even if Peter's character would be against it.. And as you show there are numerous Dad to Son examples of similar powers.
• Glad you agree that Sylar will have to be neutered if Peter is not partly or fully restored...I would like to see more characters with a power than can compete with the multiple ability ones - say for example Tracy or Hiro. They are effectively immune to having their power snatched.
• Surely this isn't going to be the last season? --Mbwilliams 20:42, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
• Guys, I will give you hope. Remember HRG said in Villains that Sylar can transfer powers from one person to another? Just have faith in Sylar learning this trick and giving some of his powers to Peter. Your thoughts? AltesUTC CH
  • @ the Unsigned poster: I do say Peter is strong as he is, yes. Not as strong as people would like? Certainly. But you can't say that he's weak. My point is a fairly simple one: any attempt to make Peter more powerful then he is now will eventually lead to him becoming a god given enough time, unless you put an arbitrary limit on how many powers he can absorb. And even that wouldn't really be balanced- I give an example of Peter with ST-Manipulation, Regeneration, and Freezing in an above discussion. Those three powers would, by themselves, catapult Peter above every other hero in the entire show save Sylar, and possibly Matt, since nobody but the Haitian would be able to kill him. If you gave him Arthur's power, eventually he'd steal enough abilties for him to become like Arthur was, and what happens then? You're forced to take his abilities away again and we're right back where we started! So you really can't have Peter be any stronger then he is without breaking the balance. If anyone can give me an example of a natural evolution of his current power that won't lead to that, I'd be glad to hear it, but I doubt that it's possible. Even if you took the weakest possible route and said "now he can hold two abilities, not one", what happens when he borrows Hiro's and Claire's power? Or even Claire's and anyone's power? Your own suggestion contradicts itself, because you first say no multiple powers is ok, but then "he can take whatever Sylar has", meaning he'd obviously have many. Besides, it would just lead to a series of stalemate battles as Peter gets the ability of whoever he's fighting against.

I find it likely that Sylar will be neutered, but even if he isn't that's ok, because villians are meant to be strong so they pose a threat (though Sylar's starting to push it even for me). Everything is ok for me, as far as Peter is concerned. I don't care about the fact that he used to be the strongest character on the entire show- and why does him not being that, mean that he serves no purpose at all? He's not defined by his rivalry with Sylar, he's defined by his desire to help others. That's what's driven him all the way since Season 1, and he's still doing it now. He's not useless just because he's not doing what the fans want him to do. Swm 07:34, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

There is a way in which Peter can evolve without becomeing all powerful. He can have the ability to hold on for longer and either 1.take the power forever ala Arthur, or 2. take more than one power if they are a multiple power hero (i.e. Sylar). He would still have to 'exchange' powers if you took someone else's power (it was ridiculous when Arthur 'took' Hiro's power even though he already had it through Peter, and kept all his old powers, AND should have been able to get it via EM if not). Although I agree with alot of what Swm is saying about having to neuter too powerful characters, once you've done that the appeal of the character, regardless of how nice they are as people, is massively reduced.

What I'd like to see is more developement of Powers. Wouldn't the best answer to multiple ability stealers like Sylar and Arthur simply be for a Hero to be so good as what he does that having 10 or even 100 powers that you can use quite well is no threat. For example someone who has worked all their life at telekinesis should be way better than an empath or intuitive who can just absorb it. This is the way it looked like Heroes was going a while back and they should, in my opinion refocus on it, not coming up with ever more Heroes with new powers.

I don't remember where HRG said Sylar could transfer powers to other people, I thought it was only from others to himself? --Mbwilliams 08:03, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

• He said, "Mr. Gray can transfer abilities from one vessel to another". AltesUTC CH

• No, no no. I did talk about a way to evolve his power without making him too powerful. The absorption without touch. With still one power at a time. If he can take whatever he wants without touching, that's HOW he can match Sylar ! Picking up powers constantly as Sylar does, so he can fight back. But he couln't be overpowered against single powered opponent. Then, Peter has absolutely no storyline of his own. I mean, he saves people ? YEAH, he does that in THEORY, but we actually never see that. The truth is, Peter, even with one power, costs too much for the show. So, great, he just grabs taxi powers (flight, then super speed that he used only once for fighting, then we almost didn't see it on screen) and it is SAID that he does stuff, but what we got since V4 is crap. I mean, Peter who can't run at high speed is NOT a funny scene ! If Peter was still "epic", it would be fun to see him fail with some powers like STM or his actual one. But we had ONLY ONE SCENE that was worth it since he got his new power (fight with Edgar, that showed a powerful Peter, and the scene was great). he didn't have A SINGLE ACTION SCENE in the whole V4, and had only one in the new season ! At first, empathic mimicry has gone wrong, it was supposed to hurt Peter if he took too much powers, and also made him completely instable. There was a good way here to maybe "reboot" him, and force him to control it, and not absorb everything around him automaticly, or he would suffer the consequences. But, no, they gave him amnesia and made his power absolutely not "empathic at all", it turned into a sponge dropped into the ocean. So, OK, they had to do something about it. He lost his powers (and Actually, I prefer him a lot without powers at all, than with the crappy one that he's forced to count on now...) for half of the volume 3, and then... got what ? Taxi storyline when he flew during almost the whole volume, and even went to fight Sylar (behind a door, of course) with it ?! How can you be OK with that ? I mean, you can be OK but, understand his fans are totally pissed off. Yeah cauz, Peter seems to always loose the powerful powers, somehow. Like I'm pretty sure he'll lost THE Healing Touch (since Jeremy died) to Flight or something like that. It's just obvious. If Peter had Arthur's power, he wouldn't steal any power from his friends, thereso, not make them useless, but well he doesn't, he just has a crappy power that he doesn't even master, taking powers randomly, mastering at random degrees... Now, Peter seems to be only here to fill the gaps, but has no meaning, really. Then, it's true that Peter's nature was to help others. But once again, how can you deny that his rivalry with Sylar was important ? The show was pretty clear on that, in a lot of episodes. But now, sure he doesn't do (at all) what fans want, but it's just a little too much for a lot of us, since Peter is neutered since 3x06... What is upsetting, is the whole "new power ?" "ask your father about it" "Wow, guess it runs in the family !" "there is nothing to fix with me Hiro" "OMG LOL I LOST MY POWER!" "OMG LMAO I GOT SHOT" thing, that dares to pretend EVERYTHING is normal with that situation. As if it was always like this, that's what I personnaly have a hard time accepting it. But the humiliating part was when Samuel just garbaged Peter even more, by totally forgetting about him and picking up Sylar, proving that Peter's power has absolutely no way to compete with him.

i agree with you 100 percent. I've lost interest in peter ever since he got his new crap ablity. He went from the strongest character to one of the weakest in my opinion.

• Firstly, isn't the example you suggest basically just Peter's current ability, only without the need to touch? That's more or less the impression I'm getting (correct me if I'm wrong), but if that's the case, how would that help him be on par with Sylar? If he takes Regeneration, Sylar can use distingration and instantly kill him. If he takes disintegration to try and kill Sylar, Sylar can just fly away (Either TK-Flight or the actual power, whichever he has). If he takes any of Sylar's other attack powers, Sylar regenerates and kills him. Now matter how quickly he could change abilities, he'd never be able to match Sylar's use of them all at once without doing so himself. No, in such a case he wouldn't be overpowered vs everyone else, because he'd literally be no stronger then he is now (since it's hardly hard to grab onto somebody- he managed it with Edgar even though he moved super-fast).

Next, I'm pretty sure we've seen him run round saving people quite a lot- Noah's the obvious one, but there's also the lady in Orientation and him pulling Emma out of the way of a speeding bus. Plenty of people found the non-super-speed scene funny (just look at the episode talk). I don't share your need of action scenes, so the lack of Peter kicking butt doesn't bother me. The writers screwed up the very concept of EM, I agree with you there. That's why it should never ever come back. I'm really not getting your issues with him having Flight- given that most heroes that had offensive abilities were captured without trouble (Tracy, Mohinder, Daphne), wouldn't you want something that would help you escape more easily? I know being able to fly when confronted with a group of men with guns would be a huge asset. I mean, what would you have had him do? Take Mohinder's ability and smack some people around, then get tasered and spend the Volume locked up in Building 26? No, thought not. He used whatever power was best for the situation (telepathy when breaking into Building 26, Flight for when he needed to get around quickly, which was a lot of the time). It made sense for him to keep Flight, so he stuck with it. I'd much rather that then he keep swapping powers just for variety's sake. Of course Peter loses the "best" powers now and then, because his new power allows him to adjust to what works for the current situation- example, STM swapped for Healing. I say it again, giving him Arthur's power would be just as bad as when he had EM, he'd just take longer to reach that stage. Nobody on the show has ever had total control of their powers- Sylar's usually a slave to the hunger, Tracy can barely stay in human form, and look what happened to Mohinder! Not to mention Matt...most people are still dealing with aspects of their abiltiies. Peter is no different. Nor did I say that Sylar's rivalry with him was unimportant. I said it didn't define him, and it doesn't.

As for your last complaint that the show presents things as being fine...they are. Peter has obviously given up on his old ability and is happy with his new one, hence the line you quoted with him and Hiro. He doesn't need fixing, he doesn't need buffing. He doesn't want more power beyond that which helps him do his job better. There's no pretending going on here at all. There's just a conclusion you (and maybe a lot of other people) are not satisfied with, and that by itself is no reason for the situation to change. Swm 07:54, 1 November 2009 (EST)

• There have been several times Peter has made comments such as "I needed to be stronger" or "I should of been faster", both this season and last. Such comments obviously express Peter's frustration with his current ability.--Stang 15:12, 2 November 2009 (EST)
• As for the theory that Peter's ability will evolve into Arthur's, I've seen no evidence that the plot is heading this way. However, I do think it would be an interesting development. Correct me if I am wrong, but Arthur could not acquire another special's ability without stealing it from them? This would create a moral dilemma for Peter, as Peter would not want to steal abilities from others, even if their ability could be useful.--Stang 15:22, 2 November 2009 (EST)
  • Nothing ever suggested that Arthur could acquire abilities without stealing them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:26, 2 November 2009 (EST)
  • Stang, if those lines were before he claimed he didn't need fixing to Hiro, then he may have simply accepted it in the time period in between. Note that I did say that he didn't want more power "beyond that which helps him do his job better." The lines you quote are perfectly consistent with this. Swm 05:41, 3 November 2009 (EST)

I'm putting this in bold italics so it stands out among these huge blocks of text. Please remember to post your names either using two dashes and four twiddles, or by pressing the signature button. Thankyou. --mc_hammark 08:51, 1 November 2009 (EST)

does anyone think that peter is still going to get that scar across his face? if so I would like to hear your opinions on it, like how do think it happens or who is responsible for it.

Lamest power ever

Oliver Grigsby said Peter took Emma's power by accident, because he was connected emotionally to her. Now we learn that Peter totally lost her power. So, I'm sorry to ask, but why the hell is he having so much trouble with his ability while it's a power far from "powerful", why the hell is he trying to reconnect (since it doesn't change anything in the actual story line) if once reconnected, absolutely nothing changes O_o. Sorry but if there is nothing for Peter to "gain" somehow, that just makes his storyline totally useless (like Samuel going to him...), If it was just a way to keep Peter busy before the mid of the season, till he will I assume the truth about Sylar it's just silly ... ? I HOPE it's not. :( He deserves so much better than that).--Kleith 12:02, 10 November 2009 (EST)

• Everyone's having (or had) trouble with their powers, powerful or not. This Volume alone we've had Peter, Tracy, Hiro, Matt, and arguably Sylar. In Volume 4 Sylar couldn't control shapeshifting, Volume 3 Mohinder was mutating into an insect and Elle almost crashed a plane with her lightning. Maya was killing people left right and centre in Volume 2. Add that to how Peter went nuclear in Season 1 and it's really not a new phenomena. He's not trying to reconnect so he can have more power, he just doesn't want to be isolated anymore. A plot point doesn't have to change or improve somebody's power to be worthwhile. I don't believe his storyline to be useless, it's just slow. I've little doubt it will lead somewhere, not least because Samuel took the time to take steps in recruiting him. Swm 14:25, 10 November 2009 (EST)
  • First of all, it's totally clear Samuel dropped Peter and took Sylar instead. The exemple with Sylar having trouble while shapeshifting is weak. He's been able to push it, to make it able to transform clothes, to move the spot of his brain and stuff... Well he could do much more than James Martin, original holder, ever could. He just had trouble because he used "another body" for too long. And, SYLAR DOESN T HAVE ONE POWER ! Having trouble with one while mastering 15 others, what's the problem here ? Peter was the most powerful of all. He's was too powerful. True. Downgrade Peter was not such a bad idea. It's how it is done that bothers every Peter's fan. Turning to the most powerful as barely "strong", is one thing. But turning it to this completely random and uninteresting power is something worst. All the Heroes have trouble with THEIR powers, sure, but with Peter having only one power, he can't just screw with HIS POWER while sucking with a lot of those that he borrows ! Peter was meant to be extraordinary. He's definitely not. It's ALWAYS THE SAME with him... We barely see what he does, he just walks through the hospital, then a newspaper tells us what he's done... You're saying that the reconnecting arc is because he doesn't want to be isolated and not a matter of evolving his power ? Then explain to me why absolutely NOTHING changed since he "connected". Before connexion ? He talked to Noah, Emma, hugged Nathan. After connexion ? He fails with his powers, talks to Noah, to Emma, Hugs Nathan. Yeah wow that's so totally different. He's more opened to Emma but that started before he tried to "reconnect". He had one epic moment in the fight against Edgar (and absolutely none in volume 4, I insist.) and since that we got NOTHING. What's the point ? So what, we just watch Peter save people randomly with pretty bad special effects (bad cause they showed pretty great stuff for other characters...), when there are ones... like those ridiculous healings ? Do you realize there is NO storyline behind all those people he saved ? I mean, it's not like the show "Angel", where there was investigation, helping people, saving them... No, what we got is only hints of his paramedic life with something special. If there was a real "hero" storyline, I think a lot of person would love it. But what we got (budget cut or not) is just "nothing"... We can't see when he saves people in big trouble since it would cost too much, and since he doesn't know the victims, there's just "nothing". Ok he saves people, cool, and then ? I mean it's getting real repetitive ! He doesn't save REAL people, it's a tv show, who cares to see ALWAYS the same things ? Always ending up playing piano with Emma, Oh my God. We're not watching ER. We're watching Heroes. Where is Epic Peter ? No one complained when Peter fought Edgar. If people complain, it's not because of his power actually, it's just because he doesn't DO anything cool, while everyone is waiting EPIC things from him ! It's possible with only one power, but do the writers intend to do that, or will they limit him a little more in each episode, as they do ? I don't know... Again, of course his paramedic storyline could fit... But only if he had some great moments apart from that ! it's like failing with his powers, would be cool and fun if he was actually good at anything that matters or had cool scenes with his powers. Then, Peter doesn't have that much presence, compared to Claire or Sylar, so "slow" might be a pretty nice term to qualify his story development... I know, you, Swm, love what being done, I agree that the show can't be all about spectacular, and powers... But now the show is definitely outbalanced, more precisely as far as Peter is concerned.--Kleith 22:28, 10 November 2009 (EST)
  • Paragraphs, man. I might be arguing with you about this until the show is finally cancelled, but the least you could do is make it easier on the eyes. That being said. It is not clear that Samuel is no longer interested in Peter. Just because he's had his eyes on easier targets (Tracy, Sylar, Claire), doesn't mean he's given up on Peter, especially now that Sylar's gone. It just means he can't be everywhere at once. Sylar was only able to shapeshift clothing because the rule that you couldn't was tossed out for that episode (the writers confirmed that in a BTE), and before he moved the kill-spot he couldn't even get his own eye colour right (not to mention extra teeth), remember? Trouble with a power is trouble with a power, regardless of how. And even if I granted you that Sylar's not an example (which I'm not), how do you explain every other example I posted, where they do have one ability and so are no different from Peter? Swm 11:33, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  • Next point. I don't consider Peter's power "random and uninteresting." It's the closest thing to his original Swiss-Army Knife power short of being broken (as I believed we debated above). It's stronger then any other single power on the show. With Emma we've had signs of it being more then what it is. Honestly, I don't know what they'll do with his arc, so I can't tell you. But I do trust that his arc with learning to reconnect with people is going somewhere, and the writers can afford to take it slowly because Volume 5 is lasting 18 episodes and not 10 or 12. No, nothing has changed with his powers because of his reconnecting. Yet. This is clearly not meant to be a short arc. Did you miss the point I made about plots not needing to boost Peter's power to be worthwhile? If this plotline ends somewhere good, then it's a good plot, even if Peter keeps the same power. Interesting you brought up the Angel comparison, because I'm fond of that show too. And I also know that there are innumerable instances where Angel and co. would save a person, and they'd never be seen again. So his clients were nothing to him too, and that's not a hero storyline in any sense of the phrase beyond the fact that Angel did a lot of fighting and Peter doesn't. And the fact that Angel did fight every week was repetitive in and of itself! So that comparison doesn't work. You're also contradicting yourself. If you are the same person in my debates above (and if not, I sincerly apologise) then earlier you commented on how healing was a cool power. Now he's using said cool power...and it's boring? Make up your mind, man! Swm 11:33, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  • Finally, I don't accept the argument that Peter, more then anyone else, is somehow meant to be doing epic deeds, and if the writers don't live up to that image that they're "doing it wrong". And I think this is the source of the clearly massive disagreement between us. You want Peter to be what you, and probably many other fans, want him to be, which is to be epic and kick ass. I want him to be what the writers want him to be, whatever that image is, because it's their story, not mine. And if wanting that means I have to take a slow storyline with not a lot of action in it, so be it.Swm 05:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Peter can help Matt

If he replicates telepathy, he can enter Matt's mind and fight Sylar there. AltesUTC CH

• Possibly. That would be pretty cool.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 10:11, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  • But then he can't heal hiro.Gamerelite1 13:32, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  • Why not simply heal Hiro, then borrow Matt's power? Swm 16:30, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • He didn't heal Hiro because he unwillingly teleported enabling Peter did not arrive in time.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:33, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • Hiro can get back to be healed and then return to do Samuel's butterfly stepping. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:35, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Why do we let the "known abilities replicated" ?

I mean, He can replicate whatever power he wants. Since he can't use the powers he once replicated, what's the point of making a list on the character description ?

• There has to be a limit. How many before there is a template for it?--- (Evil Maldini)--- November 17th 2009, 02:38 (GMT)
  • I don't think it really needs to be in the profile at all. Since it's also listed in the article itself under his replicated powers, all it really seems to do is make the box bigger and more unwieldy then neccessary. It seems that since we don't list every ability Sylar's ever taken in his ,we shouldn't do it here with Peter. Swm 06:40, 20 November 2009 (EST)

Flight?

Peter didn't replicate flight he replicated IA--Yoshi n1 07:29, 17 November 2009 (EST)

• Of course not. But yeah it's the worst move they made with Peter so far, healing touch lost in order to... take flight, just awesome. Come on SWM, tell us how great that will be, and helps Peter "doing his job better".
  • And let Sylar go around killing people? Why would Peter do that?--Dman dustin 07:48, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  • Where's your evidence for that? We know Peter can only hold one ability at a time from his own words, and from the fact he only took shapeshifting from Sylar. He flew away with Sylar, thus proving that one ability is Flight. He doesn't have IA, or any of Sylar's other powers. Swm 08:03, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  • And to the unsigned poster, if you were Peter, would you really have let your brother, who at best is having an identity crisis and at worst is a superpowered serial killer who murdered your brother, fly off into the blue when you could have followed him? I certainly wouldn't. It's perfectly in character, and calling it the worst move they've ever made with him is just being childish. Swm 08:03, 17 November 2009 (EST)
    • It's not what I meant. Peter's choice was fair. It's just lame that they HAD to give him flight back. Since it kinda proves all these "I wanna save people" "I need to be stronger, faster" thing was just here to gain some time before the mid season, where he learns the truth. I didn't criticize Peter's choice of not leaving his brother. But they DID have to write a scene where they were lost in a desert and where flight was the only way to catch him... So yeah nothing forced them to do that as far as I know. We already knew Peter wouldn't leave his brother... So, since he had a unique power that he will never get back, which was perfect for his personality and job, in order to take the real lamest power of the show that he got stuck with the entire (or so) volume 4, it is the worst move they've done with him so far with his ability.
      • I think it was partially Nathan and Sylar. Nathan's memories didn't want Sylar to kill Peter, and Sylar wanted to keep him out of the way, without killing him at the moment. Since it's likely Peter could've defended himself in someway (even if Peter couldn't, Sylar wouldn't know).. --Dman dustin 08:43, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  • Two things. One, how does him having Flight prove that his desire to help people was just an early season gimmick? Just because there's no other character that has the ability of healing, doesn't mean that whole angle is abandoned, because he was saving people before he even got that power. Secondly, given that Nathan can fly anywhere, at any time, Peter would always have had to copy that power if he wanted to track him (which you're not blaming him for). The fact they were in the desert had nothing to do with it- if they were in LA for that scene, it would have had exactly the same outcome, and the same anywhere else, so I can't see how you can blame the writers for that. He'd never be able to catch Nathan without using Flight if Nathan did not wish to be found. You also don't know Peter will never get healing back, so that argument fails. And Flight's not the lamest power on the show, at least not in my opinion (and besides, I thought you thought Peter's ability was the worst one?) I can think of multiple powers I'd take Flight over anyday- Emma's, Angela's, Ted's, Maya's. Swm 10:22, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Peter's haircut ?

So, the new Peter's picture is actually, much better than the old one. Since Peter got his long hair back, totally matching Season 1's haircut since the volume 4, the short hair was just not the character anymore.

So, what do you suggest, there has been no photoshoot for this season, but it is silly to keep one where a lot of materials from the new season exist, and the character doesn't match the previous season anymore. The actual picture isn't that bad, the hair looks much longer than the previous one, but still, he doesn't got his long emo bang, that made him so famous. Since he got it back, maybe we could look at some promo pictures from new season ? There are some great ones actually... A little photoshop work can also be done if you want to keep the "shades of gray" background.

Whaddya think ?

Peter should get his long hair back on his page, since he got it till the end of volume 3, or should he keep short hair, since he doesn't really match anything now. (And let's be fair, he looks way better with his long hair.)

• I agree that he should get a picture wich fits his character in this volume--Yoshi n1 11:01, 19 November 2009 (EST)

• • Yep, wanna add that the other characters look exactly the same now than last year so there is no problem with them. But Peter completely changed so it's kinda wrong now.
    • Is this one better? Honestly, those white pictures are not even good pictures. NileQT87 11:22, 19 November 2009 (EST)
      • I made a new one, with the new haircut style, whaddya think ? I kept the same "shades of gray" background... He looks more like the actual Peter. (EST)--Kleith 13:23, 19 November 2009 (EST)
        • I don't think we should use a Season One picture just because it looks similar to how Peter looks today. But more importantly, I don't think we should use a picture that is over exposed on one side, in shadow on the other, and has the character looking away from the camera. I also think it's nice to have all the pictures of the main characters in the same style, if possible. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:57, 20 November 2009 (EST)
          • Then help us finding a picture you like. But Peter has been having long hair for more than 20 episodes in a row now, so there is no way to let the old S3 photoshoot since, as opposed to the other characters, Peter doesn't look like that at all anymore. It just fits his character (he kinda retrieved his "innocence" of Season 1 by they way, he smiles a lot and stuff... and he didn't smile a single time in the whole V3) About the "watching the camera" thing, I, personally, don't think this is necessary. --Kleith 01:07, 20 November 2009 (EST)
• I don't mind this image...but I personally prefer this image. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:50, 20 November 2009 (EST)

• • Thanks Ryan ! (*love you*)

So people, time to "vote". Do you think Peter should get his long hair back, since it fits the character better ? I, think so.--Kleith 06:41, 21 November 2009 (EST)

• Well, i think that Peter should get the hair that he has right now. But the other image is more clear. So i dont really now..-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 09:19, 21 November 2009 (EST)
  • Yeah that's because the only to have artificial lighning is, well, to create it, which is not humanly possible if not done in a studio. Since there is no photoshoot of a recent Peter, it's the hair, or a slightly less clear image. Or we can use a season 1 pic looking at the camera. --Kleith 09:45, 21 November 2009 (EST)
    • Here you go guys, artificial lights, clearer, long hair, shades of gray background, and he looks at the camera !
      • I love the new image. Perfect!--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:12, 21 November 2009 (EST)
        • Yeah the new image is great:) -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 11:14, 21 November 2009 (EST)
          • Looks good. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:48, 21 November 2009 (EST)

The new image

I like the new image thats not it but there is one thing i dont understand. The gray background is good but it actaully makes no sense because we dont give for instance simone a gray background, why Peter and not all the other characters?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:18, 21 November 2009 (EST)

• Sylar's image has a grey background.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:09, 21 November 2009 (EST)

Actually, if you look here, you will see just about all of the characters with grey backgrounds.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:11, 21 November 2009 (EST)

• • Yeah but thats not what i mean, all the images with a grey background aren't custom made but we just got them this way. The new image is custom mage by Kleith. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:23, 21 November 2009 (EST)
    • Because no heroes characters from Season 3 and 4 has another background. So Peter, as being a main character of those 2 seasons, must have one. --Kleith 16:26, 21 November 2009 (EST)

• What I don't understand is, why we change the picture to give a better "picture" to the audience of the current season, but in turn you are changing what they looked like in the previous seasons which is not right. You are saying that they have always looked like they do now. ~~IHH—Talk 10:34, 22 November 2009 (EST)
  • Because we can't create one picture for each season. The character can only have one, so the current season is chosen over the previous ones.
    • But on the portals, you can have the picture be Peter_Petrelli_S1.jpg or Noah_Bennet_S2.jpg and get this to happen. ~~IHH—Talk 16:21, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Draph

Draph inherited ability replication though the strong connection of his brother.

Peter also had a strong connection with Arthur and that Arthur has empathic mimicry since power absorbtion and empathic mimicry are 2 version of the same ability.

I think Peter orginal ability would of been AR though the seasons he had EM but through his connection with Arthur and that their are blood related that he had EM instead of AR.

When he lost his ability to Arthur I think he didn't want to become like him so lost he could not have EM again.--50000JH 10:26, 23 November 2009 (EST)

• • Ok I think it's hard enough that we have to accept Draph and his powers as canon, but you can't just make things up based upon his story since the writers never actually read it.--Kleith 10:30, 23 November 2009 (EST)

If you're going to talk about Draph, take this to that talk, if you're going to talk about the ability, take to the ability talk. Please, don't do like always when you just make a section or says something completely out of place for no good reason. Also, don't add new points to your already posted comments, specially after someone replied to them, like you often do, it messes up the discussion. I'm sorry if I come across as rude, but those are very annoying. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:49, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Sorry about that the first four points are just my opinion and I only did each on them on 1 point on 1 line so people can see it clearer, at the time there was no response, unless u r talking about "Theroy on the Sylar page."[50000JH 11:01, 23 November 2009 (EST)]

Anything is possible

Ok so clearly, absolutely anything IS possible. So am I the only one bothered by Peter who absolutely doesn't care about his real brother, who won't even try to time travel, to raise him, to do anything for him, but will just try to control Sylar like Angela did ? He wants Sylar dead and his brother alive, and he's ready to do anything in order to get that. Well sorry but I don't think go and manipulate Sylar again will fix anything. It failed once, it will fail again. Doesn't Peter learn anything ? And that's just the best part, cauz I'm not talking about the "I can only fly but I'm threatening you Sylar" part.--Kleith 11:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• It's the same plot hole that is killing the series. Take Hiro. He's pissed at Samuel for trapping Charlie, yet doesn't seem to realize he can just go back to before he caught her, and stop it. The characters in this show never know how to use their powers, and when they do, it's often in the worst way possible.
  • One, these characters have little time to think of what to do (us, the audience, have a week to think about what they should do). Also, time travel has messed things up before. And of course he wants his real brother, but he isn't as powerful as he was. And then, he wanted to do something other than just sit there while Sylar eats a turkey, so he tried to scare him. Better than just sitting there like a coward.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:20, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • He doesn't know where Hiro is, so time-travelling is out of the question for him. Barring that, what else can he do? He's been dead too long for Claire's blood to work (not that it would have anyway). He can't get Nathan back, so trying to help Nathan's memories control Sylar is as close as he can get. Is it a good plan? Probably not. That doesn't mean he shouldn't do what he can. As for why Hiro doesn't go back in time and save Charlie, he's terrified of the butterfly effect. We saw this with the latest episode even for something fairly minor (witnessing Joseph's death). As Samuel had rightly pointed out in Once Upon A Time In Texas, Charlie's death is a minefield for unintended consequences, and Hiro probably doesn't dare risk messing up the situation any further. Swm 11:32, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • I don't agree. He found a healer pretty quickly, I'm sure he could find a time traveler. Moreover, he doesn't know where Hiro is. Ok. But what the hell is that argument ?

Does he even KNOW where Sylar is ? Not at all ! He flew away ! As Peter said, anything is possible (he can still ask HRG to find Molly or stuff). There might a power able to fix the things. Let's just think a minute, if Peter asked Hiro's help while having his "body insertion" power, he could transfer the dying Nathan into Sylar's body and thus saving his brother while getting rid of Sylar. Peter doesn't even have telepathy, what does he think he's gonna do to save his brother ? Then, it's been since the episode 3x60 that we endure a weak Peter. I agree that, while doing his job as a paramedic it was not such a problem to have one power. But he's been torn apart by everyone apart from Edgar every time he had a confrontation of any sort ! And now that Sylar is back, he gets stuck on a chair ? I mean, even with one power, he could have Edgar's power, Tracy's power, maybe Samuel's I don't know, but the writers just NEVER gave him whatever he needs ! His power is used in such horrible way I just can't stand it anymore. The only way they find to have Peter fighting Sylar is to depower Sylar ! That IS LAME ! Everyone wanted Peter getting strong, not Sylar getting also(temporary) lame. He was, not the "main" protagonist, but since season 1 he was meant to have a great power, to be the most powerful of all. If Sylar was dead, there would be no problem with Peter's destiny being garbaged. But now there's just EVIL SYLAR again, killing and torturing the Petrellis one by one, it's getting REALLY old ! What's the point of following Peter's story if nothing happens ? I mean, don't tell me you weren't pissed when he was stuck on that chair. "Why don't you release me from that chair, you'll see" => See what ? How good he can be electrocuted ? Or being disintegrated ? Or being reduced to dust with sound manipulation ? SWM I know you adore the writers and what they're doing with Peter but it's too much to take for the others, who don't. We love the character, that we learned to love since the beginning, and see what they're doing with him now is hard. Then for Hiro and his butterflies, don't make me laugh. Samuel himself changed the past thus creating a butterfly effect, correcting that past can't alter more the present. Sylar stated Charlie was alive. Hiro saved Mohinder, Hiro saved Tadashi, Hiro did a LOT of time travel that were pretty useless in volume 3. He also met his own father... Well excuse me but he totally changed history to save Charlie, why wouldn't he go back to stop Samuel from doing something that never should have happened ?--Kleith 11:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Ok, That can't make things to easy for peter, otherwise nothing would be interesting. And I wasn't pissed when he was stuck in the chair. Because it would have been to easy. I say make the show progress with the problems the characters face. To me it sounds like you want action only with no story. I dont think he even knows Molly. And body insertion was just a temporary power to develop season 3 in my opinion. He wanted to do something to help in anyway he could. He is smart, and probably think of something. He knows he can fly and he probably would have replicated one of Sylar's useful abilities.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:59, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • I don't want "story" when a guy is killing his family one by one and plays with him like a puppet. Excuse me but ONE single action scene out of 20 episodes is not that cool, since Peter used to have a lot (and still had a lot of story in season 1 !!!!), one doesn't prevent the other as far as I know. Things can't be easy for Pete ? But when the hell were they easy ? Two episodes before losing all of his powers ? In season 1 he wasn"t that strong and had a lot of problems with his powers, season 2 he got amnesia, lost his girlfriend in a lost future, then he just kicked some random ass with normal agents in primatech. Then 3 episodes where he was stuck in another body, one episode where he was, indeed, powerful, then he was in a coma, and then his powers were taken away. Since that he's been struggling EVERYTIME he could have been struggling, he didn't have a single action scene in volume 4, he was forced to flee in absolutely every episode, and got flight almost during the whole volume, just whining about his brother while not playing the taxis with his mother. Then we have the volume 5, that had a pretty great Peter in the first two episodes, he was just perfect. He was funny, he had a cool storyline, and some action scene (not much but fairly enough). Then the story has been very slow, but what was the purpose ? They got rid of all the storyline in two episodes ! They don't even let Peter and Nathan realize what happens ! And now Sylar is back, as powerful as before, and Peter still can't do anything. Peter could still ask Noah for help, and Noah could tell him about Molly or any other time traveler or anything. And let me add it's totally useless to take any of Sylar's abilities since Sylar GOT THEM ALL AND IS IMMORTAL... He's forced to lost... Unless of course, Peter finds a way to I don't know let's say, block Sylar powers... Wow epic fight we're gonna get, indeed. --Kleith 12:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yes he could tell peter about Molly or another special. But about things being easy for peter, that sounds like what you want. I know things havent been easy for peter. Thats what I like. but you were complaining that peter could not get out of the chair. what did you expect him to do. replicate a sylar ability from a distance? No, he was stuck and had to deal with it. Yes he tried to get out, because i beileve, but cant remember who, some one did break free from a telekinetic grip. And once again, time travel has ruined things before.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:18, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • I don't want things easy for Peter. I just want a balance. Now it's not just "hard", it's totally unfair. If "Nathan" didn't come back, Peter would have died on that chair. Like when Nathan flew Sylar out the window, Peter would have died too. It's not just "not easy", it's "all for Sylar". I mean, by depowering Peter, I hoped the writers would make him use some powers in a way we didn't think about, or that he could outsmart Sylar or anything. But that just never happens. There is never any surprise with Peter. Or at least, not good ones (yeah cauz I still don't see why they had to make him take powers randomly when he has "emotional connexion" to others since he can still have one.). Now, the only way Peter has a chance is if Sylar has also no powers. That's just... Well excuse me but I think no one was expecting that in season 1 2 and even 3. I know they don't have budget but come on. Peter with Tracy's power against Sylar would be cool. But strangely, we'll never get that. It will always be Peter with flight against Sylar or Peter with René's power against Sylar...--Kleith 12:28, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • So are you effectively saying that Peter's character is defined by his abilities (or lack thereof)? That's why they depowered him in the first place- because his massive ammount of power was impeding the story- because always it would be like: Why didn't he just stop time? or He can fly, why did he fight on the ground?. That's why they've never given Sylar anything like Hiro's power or Matt's power, because it's just too much. Peter's character in season 2, when he was godly, became all about him using whatever power next, and it destroyed his character. That's why he was depowered, and for me, he has been a far better character since when he's been forced to CHOOSE which power he needs to best fit the predicament he's in.--- (Evil Maldini)--- November 24th 2009, 18:00 GMT
        • Let's take these one by one...again. Molly is with Claude, HRG has no idea where she is. Nor does Noah know where Hiro is, so the argument "well, he found a healer quickly" doesn't work. Peter has never had a body insertion power except as a future self, and we don't know how he got it so it's not relevent to this. I don't know what Peter's planning to do- I don't even think Peter himself has a fully thought out plan, because he thinks with his emotions and not his head, hence him threatening a guy who can disintegrate him any time he likes. You talk about the writers giving him "what he needs", as if Edgar's or Samuel's power was going to help him stop Sylar. It wouldn't. Sylar would tear him apart even if he propelled rocks through his throat like Samuel or cut him up like Edgar. Freezing, maybe, but he'd have to touch him first- not difficult normally, but given Sylar can fly, not to mention fling him halfway across the room with a thought, tough here. If you want to blame somebody for that situation, blame the writers for making Sylar omnipotent. This problem has nothing to do with Peter's ability. Peter is strong already, or do you consider everyone except Sylar to be weak? He's stronger then any single-powered hero on the entire show, save maybe Samuel. No, I wasn't pissed when he was pinned to the chair. Again, if you have a problem with Sylar being omnipotent, that's fine. I do, too. But that's got NOTHING to do with Peter. The exact same arguments you make about him could be applied to any other character on the show, so stop trying to argue Peter's getting short changed. He's not. +

Regarding Hiro, it is a fact that he is, at this moment, afraid of messing up history. This was true both before and after he met Samuel. And look what happened the last time he tried to change the past- Charlie went from being dead (not great, but since she'd accepted the fact she was going to die, not as bad as it sounds) to being trapped in a completly different time, possibly a completly different, maybe apocalyptic future, alone. That's way worse. From Hiro's perspective, what's going to happen to her if he gets it wrong this time? Besides, how could he stop Samuel? Arnold, dying or not, could do everything he could do, and was with Samuel throughout. Add a murderous terrakinetic into the mix and the odds aren't good for him, and he knows it.

If you believe Peter wasn't so strong in Season 1, you're a fool. He had a dozen powers by the end of it, shown when he comprehensively did kick Sylar's butt in Kirby Plaza. There's no surprises with him? I'm sure Volume 4's finale qualifies, with him surprising Sylar with shapeshifting. I'll say it again: if you have a problem with Sylar being godly, fine. Just don't try and pass that off as it being a problem with Peter, like he ought to be stronger then is and the writers are failing to deliver. They aren't, because Peter doesn't need, or deserve, any kind of boost. If you want Sylar toned down, then I can agree with you. If you want Peter powered up to equally godlike levels (which he'd need to stand any kind of chance against Sylar), then I can't. Simple as. Swm 13:04, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• As stated before, I thought Peter was perfect in the first two episodes. I don't care if he has one power or 50, it's only the fact that he doesn't stand a single chance against Sylar (while Matt, Hiro, Tracy, can, don't tell me he can mimic them because the odds he will always have flight against Sylar...) while he was his equal, that I don't stand. I said I didn't want Peter to be god again, I really don't, but watching him unable to do anything like this, again, is just too hard. There is no balance at all. But you pointed out the right thing, I would not complain at all if Sylar weren't god. Peter can be as powerful as Samuel who's the second most powerful villain. Seeing like this Peter is pretty cool. True. But then again, there's a serial killer killing his family one by one that is 50 times more powerful than him and he can't do anything against him. And since Sylar won't ever die since it became HIS show, I think it's problematic to have Peter involved in Sylar's storyline (while Sylar could be neuter and just have his own storyline, or not be that centric for the show) when Peter can't do anything. It's totally anti climatic and we're forced to wonder why they are doing that ? Because they think people like Peter and Sylar intertactions ? Well, ask yourself why people did like those. --Kleith 13:23, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • And don't talk about choices. I much prefer the new Peter than the volume 2's one, but he's not a precog. He takes what he needs in the moment but he's totally stuck with it later like "I lost the healing touch and the only guy who had it die, dang !" "I took flight to follow my brother who turned into Sylar ! Dang !", these choices have always a bad point coming in his face sooner or later.--Kleith 13:25, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • Why do you think Peter will choose flight to fight Sylar. He wouldn't. He would probably use a different power.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Catalyst has pointed out the truth. Peter can mimic anyone who stands "a single chance" against Sylar, hence he has as much of a chance against him as they do. How can he keep stealing Flight if Nathan's dead? Once Sylar regains full control the only way to get that power will be to brave the jaws of death. There's no reason Peter couldn't absorb those powers before fighting Sylar. The argument that Peter needs to be stronger because a serial killer is after his family can potentially be applied to every character on the entire show, depending on the context, so it doesn't work because then nobody would ever be in Sylar's storyline. I don't know why they made Sylar as powerful as he is, but if there's a problem with it, the answer is to neuter Sylar. It by no means is to boost Peter. Swm 13:48, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • What's the difference between Peter fighting Sylar fist-to-fist and using tonnes of abilities? Peter can't take on Sylar with powers cos Sylar has tonnes more and he can only hold one at a time right, so say he uses his one power (i.e. Rene's)- then with one ability, he can level the playing field with Sylar in one go. That is after all, how God of God's Arthur met his downfall. So why is it worse if Peter bests Sylar with just fists and feet, than powers? Is that not more satisfying for a Peter fan that he has managed to out-smart Sylar and beat him up, as opposed to some huge ability battle which will leave us all saying "well what does it matter, Sylar will regenerate anyways."?---(Evil Maldini)--- November 24th 2009, 18:49 GMT
          • I think part of the problem is that Peter-god used to be a match for Sylar-god. Now, Peter's just a guy with ONE power, and Sylar is still god. IMO, the massive power battles were cool. Peter jabbing Sylar with a syringe and morphing to his real self was also cool. Peter sitting helpless in a chair while Sylar cut his mother was not cool.--Cro Magnon 14:07, 25 November 2009 (EST)
            • I very much disagree. The huge power battles sometimes felt distant and unrelatable, and they never satisfied because of budget restraints. However, the scene from Thanksgiving where Sylar held Peter in his chair was tense, engaging, and nail-biting. Add to it creepy quirks like Sylar kissing Angela and Sylar's fantastic lines, and it makes for a great scene. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)
              • Great way to put it. I completely agree with you.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:42, 25 November 2009 (EST)
              • I second that. You don't need tonnes of powers to make a good scene. What you need is conflict with a point. Peter & Sylar both using every power under the sun would feel stupid to me if you knew they'd both just heal. The way it was there was tension as you feared for Peter and you were never sure what would happen next.--- (Evil Maldini)--- November 26th 2009, 15:59 GMT

Losing Healing Touch - what the hell?

So Peter has now given up healing touch in order to persue his brother using flight...But wasn't it his mission to get healing touch to save Hiro? I know he wasn't there when Peter got back to the hospital but surely Peter has not gone and broken his own record for forgetting about people?

Perhaps Peter will soon be able to remember some of his previously held powers but if not we will be looking at Hiro dying quite soon: remember he was in hospital as a terminally ill patient. Otherwise the only way to fix Hiro is for either he or Peter to travel back in time and some how fix it, but Hiro seems unable/unwilling to do this and even if Peter could find him and replicate time travel the writers would probably not want to rewrite most of the plot for this series! Any other ideas people?--Mbwilliams 12:01, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Well I don't understand why Hiro wants to die. It would have taken him ONE minute to get saved, but he wasn't willing to. He could just traveled back at the time he went to "3 years ago" and wait for Peter.--Kleith 12:15, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • He is too worried about charlie to go anywhere. Love can be a strong thing. I'm sure if someone was in love as much as Hiro ism that they could not think straight.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:19, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • Well I would think "If I get better, I will be stronger and master my power, and won't risk to die anytime before saving the love of my life." But maybe that's just me. Since he's a time traveler, that could take, really, a second. But I guess it's more dramatic that he's not saved.--Kleith 12:26, 24 November 2009 (EST)
• Peter doesn't know Jeremy was lynched by the police. Hence, he could have abandoned healing thinking he could have just gotten it back later (a fairly safe bet considering Noah said he'd look out for him). As for Hiro leaving Charlie stranded in time while he goes off and gets healed, then takes years to master his ability (remember, even Future Hiro from Season 1 wasn't perfect, and that was five years) before going back to save her...you really think Hiro's going to do that? I don't. He wants her back as soon as possible, but isn't willing to mess with time to do it. Swm 12:39, 24 November 2009 (EST)

So no other ideas then? How do you think Hiro will be healed? Options 1) Peter 'remembers' healing 2) Hiro time travel 3) Peter time travel 4) Another healer 5) The writers 'decide' that Hiro isn't as ill as was portrayed --Mbwilliams 06:52, 25 November 2009 (EST)

My suggestion about the image

I know that you all like the "shades of grey" background, but I think that the image like this one: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9099/peterpetrelliseason4.png is showing Peter exactly like he's looking in season four and is a lot better than every single with the grey background. Don't you think it's better to add new images of each characters and throw out this whole "shades of grey" background? And yes, I can see similar topic above, but I want to expose it, because this old image doesn't look like season four Peter. -- Itsia

• I really think something needs to be done about the current images for the main cast. Peter has not had that short haircut since Villains. Also Claire has much shorter hair now and may have bangs in the near future because I saw recent pictures of Hayden with bangs. My point being We should change some of the characters images to reflect how they look now. I don't think the main cast having matching gray backgrounds really matters much at all.--Cairoi 15:29, 29 November 2009 (EST)