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Episode Checklist

• Is it Kosher for newbies to add items to the checklist or is there a specific protocol for what can be added to the checklist? What has to happen before we can put an _X_ in an entry's blank? (NissanVersaDootDoot 23:08, 4 October 2007 (EDT))
  • The checklists are there to provide a convenient reference per episode to make sure that everything that needs to be updated gets updated. For each new episode there are a ton of things that need to be be updated like per-character episode summaries, article of the week info, the sections in the episode article itself, etc. This way one can glance over it quickly and see what's left to be done. Anything significant in an episode that will require an article can generally be added to the checklist. So if there's something important in a given episode, you want to make sure that it gets updated/created, and it fits into one of the sections already on the checklist you can add it. Marking it with an X is done when the task is taken care of (e.g. Claire is marked off once her episode summary is written and added to Claire). (Admin 23:20, 4 October 2007 (EDT))
  • And it's totally kosher for anybody to add anything that needs to be done to the checklist.--Hardvice (talk) 23:39, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Power theft cleanup

• Thanks for getting that. I must have switched up tabs when I was editing the page, so thanks.--Bob 17:07, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Timeline

When you get a chance, could you work your magic and add Template:PortalDecember2006February2007? Thanks! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

• Since there are three months, I'm assuming we don't need to link the individual days (i.e. it should be more like Template:PortalPreeclipse than Template:PortalOctober2006)?--Hardvice (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Yeah. I tried to adjust the picture of the preeclipse calendars to fit, but only one of the months was able to be adjusted. I figured I'd ask the source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Mohinder's office

• Not sure if you noticed, but the most recent standardized version of Micah's file you uploaded is 158k. Think that could get knocked down to closer to 50k? That's about the size of the ones I uploaded and they still look good to me at 50k. (Admin 00:27, 11 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Yeah, lately my images are coming out huge. I musta knocked the quality up on my jpg compression or something. In any case, as long as all the ones you uploaded are the same size (as each other, not necessarily 450x350), we can just delete that Micah ... it's a duplicate of the one you upped.--Hardvice (talk) 00:31, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, I took the time to make sure my coordinates were all the same when I was cropping, so they should all be the same. (Admin 00:43, 11 October 2007 (EDT))

Evolution Image

Tell me that the evolution image isn't crying out for a sixth figure that's flaming or just starting to take flight.

• I'm assuming you mean "flaming" as in somebody like Ted, not as in somebody, like, say, Zach? :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:13, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Er, yea. Ted or Meredith. Flaming, not flaming. -- FissionChips 11:24, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
    

* Ahem. --Riddler 16:55, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Sanderses'

• Could you check out Talk:The Sanderses' home? Some more discussion as to the correctness of Sanderses' that could use your input. (Admin 19:21, 14 October 2007 (EDT))

Group of 12 pic

Why not allow the composite of the several framed-screen caps stay? Yes the clarity was a little less because of the merging, but it gives us ...ALL 12...of the twelve, as the picture is without the hand overprints. We could add all the frames individually to the gallery also, but having a single picture containing all the 12 is better. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/16/2007 18:29 (EST)

• Read the talk page. Somebody uploaded a better version of the composite to a different file name. There's no point in having two composites, particularly in the gallery.--Hardvice (talk) 18:31, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

t-shirt

• I assume your t-shirt did arrive, right? It got sent out a long time ago and I just want to make sure. (Admin 20:13, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Oh yeah. Whoops. Sorry. I was thinking about leaving you a message to that effect and somehow convinced myself I already had.--Hardvice (talk) 20:17, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Theories, condensed

You're always good for a hearty chuckle. Thanks. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:45, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• Really, it's all the OMG THIS VAGUELY BROWN WOMAN MUST BE MRS. DEVEAUX / NANA / PAULETTE HAWKINS / THE SUPERSPEED AGENT / ALL FOUR AT ONCE theories that finally did it. I've been thinking of adding that section for a while, but these theories reminded me to do so.--Hardvice (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
• BTW, if you can think of any more, please feel free to expand it!--Hardvice (talk) 23:49, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Everyone dead must come back to life also Rayhond 23:53, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, sorry about blowing out your edit. We've been having some trouble with edit conflicts lately. Still, GMTA.--Hardvice (talk) 23:54, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Dawsons

Lucky you, I'll let you work on the Template:Dawson Tree :) The way I understand it, Nana and Paulette are either sisters or sisters-in-law. Nana's son is MIA, but he and Monica's mother had two children, Monica and Damon. That would make DL and Monica's mom first cousins. Micah and Monica/Damon would be second cousins. Nana is Micah's great-aunt. That seems right to me, but it's entirely possible that I'm way off. (Incidentally, I also think we should have an article about Monica's mom.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:06, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

• Hmm. For now, we have no real in-world confirmation of a lot of the relationships. It's probably best to just stick to the immediate Dawsons (Nana, Mom and Pop Dawson, and Monica and Damon) until we get an idea of how they're related to the Hawkinses. Then we can do one giant horking tree for everybody, which should be fun.--Hardvice (talk) 01:13, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Image map problems

• Check out the discussion here about the Group of twelve image map not working properly for some people in IE. I switched the image back to the static one for now until it's fixed. (Admin 11:37, 17 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Check the discussion here again. The IE bug has been patched on BionicWiki.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Your user picutre gives me seizures...

especially when I've been up for as long as I have today.--Bob (Talk) 05:49, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Images for Portals

• I'm currently looking for an image for List of references to Heroes to go in the portal, but, right now, it's hit a dead end. I think the Simpsons trailer - "Save the Beerdrinker, Save the World" would be good for it, but I can't find a pic right now. Still looking though.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  04:32, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Yeah, I ran into a bunch of dead links and gave it up for now. Good luck; maybe somebody has one of the clips saved.--Hardvice (talk) 04:33, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
    • We can only hope.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  04:33, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Just wondering..

Do you have any suggestions you can make for my page on powers? Also, check out my most recent one, under Fan powers. I know my videos need a little work but I'm getting there. And, if you can get your hands on a camera, contribute some videos. :D--Riddler 22:50, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

PSA: Blonds

Missing from the theories public service announcement: every blond character is related to every other blond character. --FissionChips <talk>  17:06, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

hmm

Check out http://www.thelindermangroup.com which got added to our fan sites listing. Is it just me, or does this look like blatant copyright infringement? (Admin 10:54, 31 October 2007 (EDT))

• Oh my. I wouldn't expect them to last long.--Hardvice (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
• ARIN WhoIs says they are in Amsterdam, NL. I think they are outside copyright enforcement boundaries for the USA.--Mish 13:52, 9 November 2007 (EST)
  • I'm not a lawyer, but they're probably still running afoul of some copyright law enforcable over there. Regardless of whether it's legal over there or not, it would certainly be illegal here in the US so to be safe their links were deleted from our fan sites listing. (Admin 13:56, 9 November 2007 (EST))
  • The Netherlands is indeed a party to both the Berne Convention and WIPO. While the U.S. is in non-compliance with the Berne Convention on several issues (notably copyright term), there is indeed copyright reciprocity between the U.S. and the Netherlands.--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2007 (EST)
    • Then I guess he's lucky he's not ripping off the RIAA. Or else they'd already have his testicles.--Mish 17:40, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the clean ups!

It seems reading aloud and spell check still doesn't save my ass! Lulu 00:28, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

• No problem! Thanks for all the hard work on the character histories. A lot of us seem to be getting caught up in discussions and not paying much attention to the checklists, myself very much included.--Hardvice (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
  • Not a problem. I get to feel like I'm actually contributing now. Lulu 00:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Theory

Although I didn't put that note in there myself, "this has nothing to do with this theory" (assuming I'm looking at the right note in the history) is very relevant. Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli were founding members - what's the likelyness that their sons alter-ego was in on it with them? I doubt he was even born at that time.--Riddler 00:35, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

• The theory says that Adam is Peter's alter-ego. The author meant like Jessica is Niki's. Adam being a founding member of the Company could, I suppose, be a point against (since the Company was founded 30 years ago and Peter is only 28), but it doesn't really speak to the theory at all.--Hardvice (talk) 00:39, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
  • It's very much so a point against. They're refering to the alter ego like Jessica to Niki- one in the same person, same body, though not the same mind. If Adam is Peter, Peter wouldn't have been born yet, or just a baby, and would have been a founder, which makes not a lick of sense.--Riddler 00:40, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
    • I get it now. Since it was the only evidence and the theory wasn't very well explained, it just seemed totally out of left field. I'll add it back, with a clearer explanation of how it applies.--Hardvice (talk) 00:45, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

New calendars needed

• when you get the chance, new calendar images will be needed for the Timeline portal (SacValleyDweller (talk to me!) 17:41, 3 November 2007 (EDT))

Flag

• Could you grab a flag for the Italian localization as well while you're at it? (Admin 16:16, 4 November 2007 (EST))

Sorry

Yeah, I copied and pasted it; he had already made the page so there was no template button (and if there was, I didn't see it), so I copied the previous page. I think the page in general is a waste though, unless there is some citation of it's name.--Riddler 16:27, 5 November 2007 (EST)

• OK, cool. No problem. I just wanted to make sure we hadn't missed a template or something. :) --Hardvice (talk) 16:28, 5 November 2007 (EST)

• Hey, do you know why I'm able to move articles now? That option has never been at the top of my page, I'm fairly certain.--Riddler 17:50, 5 November 2007 (EST)
  • Hmm. It should have been. Only delete is protected AFAIK. Now, some articles (Main Page, for example) are locked against moves.--Hardvice (talk) 17:52, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Danke mista!

• Thanks for the help on the Spoiler talk:Powerless page. I found it ironic that I myself was powerless against it.--Bob (talk) 05:26, 10 November 2007 (EST)
  • I've added another option: Template:Spoilertext. It lets us do forum-style spoiler text, such as this: Template:Spoilertext--Hardvice (talk) 05:33, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Of course, not very many browsers support the :hover pseudoclass, so that one has limited usefulness. We could implement it with Javascript pretty easily if the need arises, though. Never mind, forgot to refresh around the cache on the other browsers to grab the updated Common.css. Works in IE, FF, Opera, and Safari.--Hardvice (talk) 05:37, 10 November 2007 (EST)
      • I've never been a big fan of using that forum approach on a wiki. Blacking out sections of spoiler text on articles doesn't really feel appropriate here which is why we have separate spoiler articles in the first place. In the case of complete episode spoilers like on Spoiler talk:Powerless I like the hidden table approach that was taken; it looks much cleaner than having blacked out text. I haven't read the spoilers yet, but I'm assuming they're complete spoilers of the episode. (Admin 08:32, 10 November 2007 (EST))
        • I was thinking of this as more of an option for talk pages, where people might want to reply to a question with spoiler info, like this: Template:Spoilertext--Hardvice (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2007 (EST)
        • I agree with admin, think it detracts from the page. Cool idea though. It would look like the page was redacted by the FBI or something.--Mish 13:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)
          • I was thinking more of use in talk pages than on spoiler articles themselves. I just used it on Episode talk:Out of Time to answer a question whose answer was spoilery. That's what I had in mind.--Hardvice (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)
            • Spoilery answers shouldn't be on non spoiler talk pages though. Whenever I've had to answer a question on a regular talk page based on a spoiler I don't provide spoiler details. Plus I'm using a browser right now that shows the text even when it's hidden. So I would have seen that "Rosebud is his sled" spoiler without even doing anything. The best and safest way to address a spoilery question on a regular talk page is to either not include details or to provide a link to the spoiler article so they know what they're getting into. (Admin 15:31, 10 November 2007 (EST))

Foo

For some reason, whenever I want to do a test page, rather than "foo", I always use "Oswald". I chalk that up to my lack of experience in computer language prior to Heroes Wiki. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:52, 11 November 2007 (EST)

• To be fair, I switched to "Foo" because I got sick of typing "Uluru's girlfriend".--Hardvice (talk) 00:53, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Help:Portals

• Hey, we already wrote a Help:Portals over at Bionic Wiki, maybe it could help? I added a portion of it to Heroes Wiki's page already. Most of it stems from the new portal page help.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:24, 11 November 2007 (EST)
  • Thanks. Of course, I was in the process of writing a lot of it and had to stop and clean up (adding to a portal is editing portals, not adding a new portal). I'll see if I can still merge my changes -- I copied them into notepad.--Hardvice (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2007 (EST)
  • And actually, that stuff needs to be re-written. It's just notes and tables, not a help page, which should be, y'know, complete sentences and such.--Hardvice (talk) 02:28, 11 November 2007 (EST)
    • By all mean, feel free to re-write it. I only ported part of the page, and I pasted it into the wrong section by mistake. Oops, sorry.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:31, 11 November 2007 (EST)
• Minor misalignments? Isn't that only a concern when you stack portals over portals (i.e. Portal:Portals)? I don't remember ever having a problem with the table in table method for portals anywhere else.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:44, 12 November 2007 (EST)
  • You can check it out on pages with an incomplete row if you don't believe me. It's usually only off by a few pixels, but it's quite frequently off (seems to depend on the width percentage).--Hardvice (talk) 02:45, 12 November 2007 (EST)
    • I believe you, just saying that I don't normally notice it unless I'm doing portal on portal stacking. In any case, it's not such a big deal that all the portals need re-doing immediately.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2007 (EST)
      • Well, no. And to be fair, I do it myself. But I figure that the help page should show the proper way, even if we usually fudge it.--Hardvice (talk) 02:58, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Bot

• Got my bot working. There's a great Perl framework for MediaWiki. It's going to make writing bots so easy. I'll finish it up later today if I get time. Just give me a list of all the repetitive tasks that need to be completed and I'll program it to make the changes. FYI it has an easy method of returning a list of all pages in a given category, so any tasks that involve a specific category will be even easier. (Admin 03:03, 12 November 2007 (EST))
  • Hot. I can't think of anything else I've been itching to do, but this will make it much easier if we split the timeline.--Hardvice (talk) 03:10, 12 November 2007 (EST)
    • What is it exactly you wanted done with the Template categories? Are they being removed and replaced with nousercats for the other categories in the template or something? It may be something I can script if we need to edit all the templates. (Admin 03:13, 12 November 2007 (EST))
      • Hadn't thought of that, but that may be something better handled by humans, since I think there are instances where we want to add a cat to a userpage (like Fan Powers). No, I was just asking if we could remove Category:Templates from templates which had other categories. When we started out, all the templates were in one cat. When I started subdividing them into smaller cats, I left them in the main cat, too, so Category:Templates would list all the templates. Now, though, it's more than one page, so it's wrapping some of the subcats onto page 2, and the list on Category:Templates is so long and messy that it's doing more harm than good. So I think it would be easier to find templates if they were listed in a subcat, but not in Category:Templates. I think they should all pretty much have a subcat, so we could just remove Category:Templates from all templates articles -- but if there's a way to make sure we're not removing the only category, that would be even better.--Hardvice (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2007 (EST)
        • I can iterate through the list of pages in Category:Templates and remove the category tag as long as I detect another category tag on the page. Should be simple, I'll work on it later today. Have to get to bed now. (Admin 03:21, 12 November 2007 (EST))
          • You remain, as ever, da man. That should help us catch any which aren't in subportals, since they'll be the only things left in the cat.--Hardvice (talk) 03:22, 12 November 2007 (EST)
            • Don't know if you saw yet, but I had the bot go remove the Category:Template tags from the templates that are already categorized. By default the bot edits don't show up in recent changes, you may need to manually click on "Show bots." (Admin 18:19, 12 November 2007 (EST))
              • Excellent. I will give it a look. ETA: Only 28 to categorize! Very nice!--Hardvice (talk) 18:27, 12 November 2007 (EST)
                • Indeed, bots can save a lot of work. That's awesome that it was so easy to code.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:55, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Can you please check this out?

Mechaseth's contributions.--Riddler 20:08, 12 November 2007 (EST)

• I was just waiting for a second act of vandalism. Lots of people are so new to the idea of a Wiki that they let their curiosity at being able to edit a webpage get the better of them. I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt -- once.--Hardvice (talk) 20:12, 12 November 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, we're more tolerant here than on some wikis. Since it's so simple to revert a change it's worth giving people more than one chance especially if you have time to sit and watch for more vandalism. (Admin 21:00, 12 November 2007 (EST))
    • AGF. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)
      • Well, with some obviously disruptive edits it's hard to assume good faith. :) Still, when reverting clear vandalism is so easy it doesn't really hurt to give people multiple chances. I can think of at least one unnamed user who got off to a discouraging start but subsequently became an excellent contributor. (Admin 21:11, 12 November 2007 (EST))
        • We're also very lucky, in my opinion, that we don't really have a big "problem" with vandalism. Very few people have been blocked, and we don't have a lot of silly edits, or even edit wars, for that matter. I'm not really sure why this is, but I like to think that it's in part to our unofficial policy of being very tolerant. I was visiting some other wikis which will remain nameless, and it seems like were blocking people for very silly things (misinformation, repeated spelling mistakes)--in one case, I was really unable to figure out what the block was for, even after reviewing every one of the editor's contributions. We simply don't make a big deal about vandalism. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Screen Caps

• Hello there, I just realized that you are already uploading Screen Capture Images from "Four Months Ago". I thought the full episode was already available at NBC, but then I realized it wasn't... I just wonder, how did you do it, you have your PC hooked up to your TV or some crazy thing like that? Well anyways, I was wondering, since you are at it, can you upload some of the beginning of the scene in Zulia, Venezuela, where it actually says "Zulia, Venezuela" on the screen? I want to put it on the Zulia, Venezuela Page, 'cuz I couldn't find a cool image of Zulia, since it's a state, not a city. Thank you, --MeliPetrelli 03:30, 13 November 2007 (EST)
• I transfer the file off my TiVo using TiVo to Go (the software TiVo provides for it). It takes a while but the caps come out pretty nicely. I will definitely try to grab a cap of Zulia--we need one of the church anyway, since it's a new Place.--Hardvice (talk) 03:37, 13 November 2007 (EST)
  • Cool now I have another reason to add to my "Please Honey get me TiVo 'Cuz:", hahaha... Thank you for the info and the screen caps. :) (MeliPetrelli 03:46, 13 November 2007 (EST))

A Little Guidance on Notes

• Hi, I just posted a piece of Trivia that I thought fit within the spirit of what we're trying to capture. It was the most significant continuity error I've seen with dialog between episodes. I agree it's most likely a production error, but very noticeable and seems like solid trivia to me. Thoughts?
  • It actually happens all the time, though. They reshoot the scenes and words get changed here and there. Often, they'll rerecord the audio for the "previously on Heroes" section, too, to make things clearer. For example, in the episode were Matt finds out about Janice and Tom, the actual exchange had her thinking "oh my god, he knows". The next episode, it had "he knows about the affair". There doesn't seem to be anything particularly significant to the words that changed this time, so it's almost certainly the same thing. This really happens at least every other episode, and sometimes even more drastically.--Hardvice (talk) 05:55, 13 November 2007 (EST)
    • First time I'd caught that. Thanks for pointing out. This definitely won't be useful then ;-), but I put together a little commentary video on that scene.--Stoaks (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, that's still pretty interesting. Greg Beeman talks about the scene a lot in the episode commentary and on hsi blog. Mostly, he talks about how they chose to refilm it from a different perspective, and to combine the two scenes which were split in Out of Time.--Hardvice (talk) 01:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Lightning

• Great timing with the Lightning article. I was right about to begin the work of splitting it so you just saved me some work. :) (Admin 00:29, 14 November 2007 (EST))
  • What do we want to do about the patient and the agent? It strikes me that the patient is the only one who can absorb electricty, and the agent is the only one who can create magnetic effects. Should we split them as well?--Hardvice (talk) 00:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
• Did we finsih updating everything for lightning and em? --Rayhond 01:47, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • Looks that way! Everything that links to lightning should refer to Peter and Elle, and everything that links to electromagnetism should link to the patient or the agent. Thanks for your help! Awesome job.--Hardvice (talk) 01:48, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Venezuelan sheriff

I'm heading to bed, but I just wanted to ask a quick question before I do. I'm assuming you've already checked, but does the HD version of Four Months Ago... reveal anything about the Venezuelan sheriff's name, or anything that might be on his badge? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2007 (EST)

• I didn't see, but I can check. Ditto the Fireman's helmet.--Hardvice (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • Sheriff appears to be "Gonzalez", but it's a bit hard to make out (definitely ***zalez, nearly certainly Gon-).--Hardvice (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • That seems good enough to me. Shall we move him? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)
      • Yup.--Hardvice (talk) 00:42, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • No legible name on the fire helmet.--Hardvice (talk) 00:39, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Peter's cell...

• I created the page, but I'm not sure what Portal to put it in. Would it fit in Portal:Education and Research?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  06:21, 14 November 2007 (EST)