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Enhaced Memory

Sylar did not acquire enhanced memory because Hiro change Charlie's fate by saving her from Sylar, later dying from a tumor or something like that. So i think it should be removed from the list.-- Catalyst » My talk Page- 18:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Nope, Hiro was just pulled back to Japan, plus Saving Charlie confirms she was killed by Sylar, and I'm sorry cause this will sound rude, but for the efing billionth time, she had an aneurysm, is it so hard to get??? *sigh* Had to get it out, everywhere I read about her death, people say she had a tumor, not aimed at you, just at the Heroes community as a whole. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I believe it was mentioned in the actual episode that she had a tumor in her brain. --GSK 23:41, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar used Charlie's ability in Road Kill. --Altes 08:50, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Danko's Car

How did he get in and out of Danko's car so fast? Teleportation from an unkown source? --Peter 21:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Astral projection? :D Yeah it has to be the teleportation factor. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I assume is a mental ability, perhaps "Telepathy" or empathically absorbed Angela's Precognitive Dreaming ability and used the Astral Projection or the Dream Manipulating aspect(s) of Angela's ability. Remember guys, he absorbed Electrokinesis from Elle when being emotional with her and you all seen how emotional he was with Angela when he thought Angela was his real mother. It could be a possibility though. Tell me what you guys think of my theory... DARK 22:13, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Good theory, but with a flaw that invalidates it: when Angela reached out to Sylar, they were both unconscious, Sylar and Danko were both wide awake. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

    • Agreed, but the problem remains that Sylar has exhibited an action for which none of his powers can satisfactorily account. In the past we have chalked it up to telekinesis, and that could explain how he got to the roof, but it doesn't explain how he was able to leave the car without Danko noticing/the sound of a door (I think it's stretching to say that he silently levitated out of the window). Since we never saw it from his point of view, we can't assume STM or teleportation (though I think we have almost enough to support teleportation), but we also have to assume that he has a power that's yet unaccounted for (as something was displayed). This deserves at least a note on his page. I suppose it's possible he used a combination of telekinesis and sound manipulation (ie - wave interference), but that's another stretch, imo. --Stevehim 23:13, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I think that he does have teleportation. In series 1 Bennet told Eden that Sylar had killed at least nine people, some of whom we do not know. Teleportation would make sense as it would explain how he escaped Danko's car and how he helped save Claire from Stephen Canefeild's black hole in "Angels and Monsters". --Mc hammark 08:01, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think that that Sylar empathetically took sedation from his father and precognitive dreaming/dream manipulation from Angela. So, he first knocks Danko out with sedation, then takes a "nap" to enter his dream. Further evidence is that as Danko entered the car, his hand shook and he closed his eyes then Sylar appears whistling the song on the radio. Whistling is associated with the use of sedation. It also appeared that as Danko turns to shoot Sylar, his eyes opened. Further, the direction shows that the cigarette lighter button pops up minutes after being pressed by Danko, indicating a lapse in time or continuity. --The black sylar 15:18, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar seems to have displayed this 'ability' for a while, especially when he escaped from Audrey Hanson in Season 1, and I consider that most notable because of the sound that was made during his disappearance, and because he was gone in a split second. Also, in I Am Sylar he did this several times, like when he appeared on Tom's sofa and my favorite was when he appeared behind Micah before any of the agents came into the building, even though he was behind. He still managed to Shift to his original appearance during this very short amount of time. --User:Autre31415

Did he kill him?

Did Sylar kill James Martin to take his power? I mean, did he open his head?

  • He didn't made the mess he usually does, so my guess is that he did the same thing he did to the guy with impenetrable skin in the deleted scene, since he couldn't scalp him because of the skin, he opened the way through the mouth. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • But there was the Telepathy sound effect, and he just looked at the guy. I think there's some newfound thing with Intuitive Aptitude. But there was the knife in his head, and he was bleeding. People don't bleed that much if they're already dead. I think Sylar can just absorb powers now. Talk 19:34, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
    • You mean telekinesis right? We couldn't see how much blood there was inside the body bag, and it's pretty clear that Sylar just didn't make his usual incision, that doesn't mean he just absorbs power now, that would make him joining Danko pointless. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:00, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
    • No... I mean Telepathy. And I'm saying that Sylar can now take powers without physically examining the brain. He still kills the victim, but gets the power. 17:18, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
      • That makes no sense, Sylar has no mental abilities other than telekinesis and clairsentience, he might not need to expose the brain, but he certainly still needs to examine it in some way. And the sound effect was the usual TK slice, it's quite distinct. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
      • New theory: after encountering his father and analyzing his intuitive aptitude 'from outside', Sylar managed to perfect his own. Also, Empath, it's not pointless at all. Danko hunts evolved humans, and Sylar wants abilities. If he joins the hunt, he'll get what he wants. --Altes 12:10, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Sylar didn't scalp Samson, no brain exposure or examination, so I don't see him as analyzing the ability, though I'd like to see how that would affect him and his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Remember I Am Become Death? Future Sylar analyzed Future Knox's ability without tearing his head open. Doubt he absorbed it, but that doesn't matter. I believe he did the same with Samson: just analyzed IA and understood how to improve it. --Altes 02:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Maybe Sylar's ability is beginning to evolve. It isn't the first time somebody's ability has. --Scorvi12 19:24, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
        • And they're always explicit when that happens, they haven't been explicit with Sylar. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:53, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I'm about 70% sure that Sylar has empathic mimicry, just as demonstrated with Elle. Just instead of empathizing with honest, noble people, Sylar can empathize with selfish people. I believe that in combination with his intuitive aptitude he is beginning to evolve his power. Think about it, he spent almost his entire screen time in Into Asylum empathizing and analyzing with Martin. It's not unreasonable to think that he intuitively empathized with his condition. Sylar is now the Goku of Heroes. --Barbedknives (talk)21:20, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
            • No, surely not! Whatever Sylar's innate ability is, it's not empathic mimicry. From what we know, Samson has intuitive aptitude too, and he was able to steal abilities just like Sylar. No EM involved. Unless Samson has empathic mimicry and absorbed from somebody understanding of how things work, and Gabriel inheredited EM from his father and absorbed IA from him. God, it's so complicated... --Altes 02:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Him empathazing with bad people makes more sense, but I still think that to get an ability empathically, he has to genuinilly care for the person, something along that line. I still think he did the same thing from the deleted scene, where he got a impenetrable skin via a guy's mouth, since it wasn't impenetrable as his skin. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:16, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
              • I don't think it's Empathetic Mimicry, but it could be the same aspect of Intuitive Aptitude that he used in I Am Become Death, remember? He didn't kill Elle (at that moment) but he was able to get her ability, too. He hasn't lost any powers or anything since last volume, so why would this aspect change? As for his continuation of head-slicing, that's just 'cause he likes to cut people's heads open (and possibly to cover his tracks and he learns powers faster that way--JUST SPECULATION). EDIT: I screwed up. It's not "I Am Become Death", it's "It's Coming".--Uncanny474 11:55, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
              • It still doesn't make sense that he would cut him through the mouth to examine the brain. Think about it, the purported cause of death is a wound to the back of the head. During an autopsy, they would discover the incision in the upper mouth and if the brain was extracted this would be extremely suspicious, as well as inconsistent with the cause of death. So someone would have to explain why the corpse has a destroyed upper mouth and possible missing brain when the case files for Sylar specify the conditions of his regenerative abilities. Of course, this is looking at it logically, so I doubt the writers would consider this. --Barbedknives (talk)22:44, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
                • They wrote it before when Sylar got impenetrable skin, but then the writer's strike came and they had to cut that story out. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think that what Sylar done was inject him with his healing blood to hide the bullet hole, then opened up the back of his head, where the metal stump was eventually pushed in to make it look real, and he took the ability from there. --Mc hammark 08:04, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

New Ability?

In Into Asylum Sylar was in Danko's car, but then Danko turned and Sylar was on the roof of a nearby building. Does he have a new abiltiy, or did I just miss something?

  • It looks that way to me. I don't see how he could have done that with his known powers.--Cro Magnon 16:25, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I mention on this talk page that it could be Astral projection. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 18:57, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Maybe he killed Rachel Mills and has taken her ability, since see only teleported sort distances. --Powermimic 22:24, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I doubt Rachel is dead, seeing as how she's still appearing in the iStory. It seems a little counter-productive to kill her, especially off-screen. --Laudo 22:49, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Look, in Our Father Sylar took a cell phone from Elle's body, and it contained numbers of several evolved humans. The interval between the two volumes is about two months. I bet during that time Sylar took many abilities, including this mysterious teleportation/astral projection/illusion/or what it is. He didn't need to kill Rachel. Your thoughts, friends? --Altes 02:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I guess it's possible. I hope we get the answer eventually. --Laudo 14:37, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
  • BTE has confirmed it wasn't teleportation. Which means, Rachel is alive! --Altes 01:49, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

How Sylar survived Claire killing him

Now we know: the glass melted in the fire. Noah said it while examining "Sylar's" body.--WarGrowlmon18 21:21, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Now how do we put it into the article? Notes? --Peter 22:06, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's Original Power

I think Sylar's original power is power transferance. There seems to be multiple versions of it such as empathic mimicry. This is how sylar can use empathic mimicry. Samson could have also had this. Since special abilities seems to run in families, it is likely that Samson's brother had an ability: that being intuitive aptitude, allowing him to set up a watch business. Both Samson (who would have felt love for his brother) and Sylar (who seemed to adore his father) would have got intuitve aptitude from the adoptive father. So his initial power is transferance. --Mc hammark 10:04, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


The writers have said that Sylar's original ability is "to understand things when given the raw materials associated with it". If it were really power transferrance, he'd have all the abilities he needed after he touches people, which would mean the 'hunger' is instantly satisfied (to a lesser extent). LimaBean 15:37, 8 April 2009 (PDT)

Yes but look at this section of the page: BTE Confirms Sylar Mimics IA --Mc hammark 14:54, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

List of shape shifting appearances

I'm beggining to think it's inappropriate to have a whole list of people who portray sylar while he's using his Shape shifting ability. From the point he stole the ability from James Martin has of Turn and Face the Strange, his page already has numerous actors portraying him. I know Candice has the same thing, which is why I think that, if Sylar's appearances while shape shifting grow, we should do one of these two:

  • Merge his appearances with the page Examples of Shape shifting (which I hope will appear has the examples will grow)
  • Link the portrayers section to a new Note section on his page selecting his "morphs". (I think this one's the better one, so that way we can do the same with Candice).

The only reason I'm saying this is because the page will be extensively huge and his profile section will become confusing if his "morphs" grow. -- Meteoritu =D- 21:14, 9 April 2009

  • I couldn't agree more, I think we needed to do something because Sylar seems to be here to stay(at least I hope) and we know he loves Shape shifting.--Sylar Fan09 01:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Adding a few more names to the infobox will not make it extensively huge. Also, removing the names in place of a template also removes search hits since searching does not automatically search the template namespace. It also removes information when somebody searches the code for the page. If the issue is that the infobox is too long (which I don't think it is), then I'd rather see a collapsible table used to hide the other portrayers. But honestly, with two more episodes left in the season, I don't forsee that list growing much more. I'd rather the template's information be included on this page and the template deleted. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, I think the collapsable list is the best idea, in lieu of a template, as it was established that the infobox should be kept succinct (and Sylar's is already one of the longest ones on the site). If we're not listing his lost powers for that very reason (despite listing lost powers on other pages, like Maya's), then I don't see why we wouldn't apply the same reasoning to shapeshifting (especially since it needs to be listed twice in the infobox...once under portrayed and once under aliases). The number of shapeshifters is already close to the number of known powers Sylar has lost (2 less), and while there are only 2 episodes left, that's only this season...it could easily grow longer in future seasons. The only real problem, imo, seems to be that it won't cause search hits. That doesn't seem like a big deal to me since it just precludes several matches to the same page (typing Emile Danko won't get you to Sylar's infobox....it still gets you to his page though, as it's in the People Impersonated section). Collapsable tables or a link to the People Impersonated section of his abilities section works just as well as a template, imo, and I would've done that instead initially, had it occurred to me. :) --Stevehim 13:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
        • And whatever is decided on this should also be applied to Candice's page as well. --Stevehim 13:36, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
        • So, should the page/templates stay as is? Personally, I'm in favor of keeping all the information in the infobox. No templates, no links, no fancy collapsibles (are they even possible in a infobox?). I think character infoboxes should be as long as they need to be, and I don't see that it would be too big of an issue should it got oversized. --Radicell 08:01, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I agree with you, Radicell. I don't think there's anything wrong with listing all the portrayers. I'd rather lose the template and list everything in the infobox, with no collapsible table. If the height of the box is an issue, we can put all the "shapeshifting" portrayers under a heading an remove the parenthetical characters (in other words, have a heading that says "Shape Shifting Portrayers" or something, and then list the actors' names, but not the characters' names). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:17, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I actually agree too, which is what I argued about listing his lost powers as, but it was decided by one of the admins that the infobox should be kept simple and concise. For consistency's sake, we should try to follow this, or list all of his lost powers as well, since we we do that with all of the other characters who have lost powers. Personally, I don't see why putting them in a collapsable table hurts at all, as it keeps things a bit neater, but my main concern would be consistency throughout the site, in terms of policy. That Sylar lost some of his powers shouldn't mean it is no longer relevant information either (just assuming that argument will be put forth). Again, we list powers as lost on Maya's page, on Peter's (and, really, we should list all of his lost powers there instead of just EM, if consistent, total information is the goal), on Hiro's, and on Adam's. The only other argument I can see being put forth not to do this is that "lost" only refers to original powers, but I'm not sure exactly what reasoning would lead to that, as a power is a power. There's still no evidence (that I know of) that Peter would have lost his acquired powers had he lost empathic mimicry through some other means. --Stevehim 14:19, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Where is that discussion, about listing lost powers? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
              • I don't know if a collapsible table is possible in an infobox. Perhaps an advanced coder like Miami can work it. --Radicell 23:41, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
                • It's possible, but it doesn't look that great, in my opinion. See here. I'd rather just make the infobox a little longer. It's fitting for a character like Sylar who is portrayed by a lot of people, has a lot of powers, and goes by a lot of different names. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • I agree that the collapsable tables do not look good in the infoboxes. Like I said, I have no objection to listing it all in the infobox, but doing that is contrary to the reasoning of keeping the infoboxes "simple" with "at a glance" info, and if we say that is not/no longer the case, then all lost powers for Peter and Sylar should be listed, imo, as that information is not only as relevant as aliases/characters mimicked, but far less likely to change/be added to at this point in the game.. --Stevehim 21:51, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

box

IceGhost78 sylars box is very long, maybe we could put a show/hide button for the stuff there

Sylar and Shape-Shifting

I know that Sylar wants everyone to think he is dead, but i hope it doesn't last to long. I don't want Sylar to be portrayed by a whole lot of people. Only Quinto is Sylar to me. Only he does it best.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 10:02, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Well it's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks so. However I don't see this happening, we've seen more and more aspects of the Five Years Gone future coming true. Considering that he originally was to use Illusion to maintain Nathan's identity, this is the power that would create the same effect. Unless another Arthur comes along, or another Shanti Virus, it's likely this is going to continue until he gets his goal, or dies.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 10:12, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
  • He didn't get telekinesis through empathy. BoomerDay 13:16, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
    • He retained it through empathy, that's why he kept it after Shanti virus, instead of losing it along with his acquired abilities up until that moment. Technically, he used both methods, he acquired it with the usual way, and retained it because of the emotional tool killing Davis took on him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I've relocated the shape shifting information out of the infobox for the same reasons given for not listing his lost powers here. --Stevehim 09:02, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I'd hate to re-argue it, but at the very least, the lost powers are no longer accurate, while the shape shifts are. I (probably erroneously) changed it up with a dead link to "Sylar's shape shifts" (similar to Sylar's victims), as a possible separate page. Alternatively, his shape shift victims could be included on his normal victims page. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:07, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, we list the lost powers on other pages, and the argument was that listing them made the infobox way to cumbersome (though, personally, I disagreed). The shape shifting thing is going to be even worse. I've created a template to link to (prior to seeing you'd created a page...it's fine by me if you want to use yours and delete the template), listing everyone he mimics, but for some reason the link isn't working in the infobox atm. I'm also not sure I got all the shape shifts, but I have to run out for a bit now. I'll look at fixing it when I get back (unless someone else wants to have a go at it :)). --Stevehim 09:26, 16 April 2009 (EDT) ....UPDATE: Ok, I found what I'd done wrong and fixed it. I created two templates: one for the characters Sylar impersonates using his shape shifting, and one for the actors/actresses portraying said characters. The former is linked in the infobox (under "aliases") and is under a section under Evolved Human Abilities on Sylar's page (entitled: People Impersonated), and the latter is in the infobox under "Portrayed." I'd have no objection to any or all of it being altered (eg - Richard Desi's proposed link (which I was going to use, but I couldn't find the page, so went with another template instead), but based on the previous discussion about the infobox remaining concise, my opinion is that at least something along these lines (ie - linking the infobox to save space) is the best way to go. --Stevehim 12:35, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
  • i think that we should list his personality crisis as either a side effect of this ability or an effect of staying in hiding.Also, would it be possable that sylar would change into people when he uses their abilities? by the way i think we should have a portal for the history of peters authors and sylars abilities and a link to this portal on the corrasponding portals about those people.--Autobot2 10:59, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Shape-shifting to Nathan

It will probably be addressed in the next episode, but seeing as Nathan and Sylar don't meet face-to-face until 3x25, how could Sylar have gained Nathan's "look?" Furthermore, Nathan hasn't been in Washington, but in the Southwest.. Sylar nor Danko know where he is.

Plot hole, anyone? --GSK 00:35, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

  • He probably got it from a prior video recording.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:46, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Although as demonstrated previously, Sylar needs to shake hands or come into some sort of physical contact with a person in order to shape-shift into them, unless he has mastered the ability enough to where he can shape-shift into anyone without physical contact. I'm boggled. --GSK 03:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I'm not sure that was established at any point (though I've only seen each episode once, so it is entirely possible I missed that), but I would say it is certainly no longer the case based on him changing into Nathan. --05:29, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Maybe Sylar found someone looked very similar to Nathan.. A long-lost twin perhaps? --Peter 11:11, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • The last thing we need is a long lost twin, if the physical contact is required for DNA or some other thing, Danko could pull a DNA sample of Nathan from the countless databases the US government has access to. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:53, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Maybe using his IA he is able to use Shape-Shifting at a much better level. Possibly only needing to examine a picture of the person. --Quig 07:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

youre forgetting, probably found out by now, that he aquires his morphs through their dna not their apperance

Age, born and pob

Where did those came from? Did I miss something in yesterday's episode? I've uncommented them for now, I don't recall them being showed anywhere. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:49, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Just found place of birth in the AT profile, but birthday and birth year are still unaccounted for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:44, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Shapeshifting, Clothes?

Anyone can explain me, how come when he shapeshifts his clothes changes to? While we saw in the older episode the guy from who he got the power needed all sorts of clothes? WaterRatj 16:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No matter how, changing clothes while shape shifting is canon now. -- Altes 08:53, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I quess he learned how to use it better--Skyeatsout 08:57, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Still kinda lame. I mean, the clothes must be part of his DNA if he can shapeshift them. >.> LimaBean 21:01, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • If he shapeshifts his shoes, THIS is gonna be totally crazy. Does he? -- Altes 04:40, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
  • You have to remember the rule when things can't be explained like this 'A wizard did it' Crazytom112 16:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
  • clothes have a shape, and he can "shift" them, so... it's merely logical xD -- Meteoritu =D-
  • Maybe he killed the Crazy Grin Man and got his ability... but no, the writers wanted to make it more complicated. --OutbackZack 17:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Syler - Deceased, Alive?

What happened in the latest episode is pretty crazy, what are we going to do now to describe Nathan and Sylar and their living conditions? -Barbedknives 22:02, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I personally think it's all about the intuitive aptitude. Sylar became who he was because he understood things, he hungered for knowledge, and it drove him to do what he did. Now, 'Nathan' has the same exact ability. Everyone on the show is human, and humans react the same way to circumstances they don't understand. Just as Peter had started to do earlier in this season Nathan will do. Nathan will essentially become what Sylar was, therefore creating a new villain in a sense, because now Nathan will be the one cutting people open to get power, and although Sylar could resist, Nathan may not resist; he may be even more susceptible to the hunger. This could make Nathan an even worse Sylar not controlled by daddy issues with nothing to stop him. --Autre31415 22:12, 27 April 2009 [EDT]
    • Or, he'll just remember everything once his healing ability kicks in. --Gibbeynator 23:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Totally has puppet mastery.

He HAS to have puppet mastery now. Honestly, I think it's undeniable after An Invisible Thread. My guess is that he got it through empathy before delivering Doyle to Danko. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:17, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I thought about that too, but you have to remember that Eric Doyle's ongoing series The Nowhere Man is still going and he is alive in it. Also, Sylar wasn't always using the hand gestures that Dolye had to when using his power. -Barbedknives 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
IceGhost78 its telekinesis, you can tell by the way claire was feeling forced, when doyle does it it feels natural, but when sylar does it its like he has a rope on her and is pulling her lim
  • Sylar has been able to telekinetically control people in the past, namely in Season 1. He is simply displaying that ability again. He did this to Audrey Hanson to force her to pull the gun to her own head and almost pull the trigger. Autre31415 22:22, April 27 2009 [EDT]
    ...Seriously? I just said that he took the ability from Doyle through empathy. And what are you talking about Doyle's victims didn't feel forced? Are you kidding me? They were fighting against Doyle all the time. You could see that when Doyle shut Claire up, she was struggling to open her mouth. And honestly you guys, they're throwing so many cues to puppet mastery. To think that it's still telekinesis after how he made Claire do things is a stretch. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
IceGhost78 listen to autre, he just gave you a perfect example
As I said, he has done this in the past. I mean, think about TK. Movement of objects, just because a body has many parts doesn't mean he can't move each one of them. Autre31415 22:27, April 27 2009 [EDT]
Listen to me, I just countered that example. That reasoning is obsolete considering we now have an ability that controls people. It is the ONLY thing it does. Surely, no one just watching the show would jump to the conclusion that it was telekinesis when they know that puppet mastery exists. For the writers to expect people to make that assumption would be simply ludicrous. No, it's puppet mastery. Sylar had access to Doyle, as he delivered him to Danko. Sylar's also been getting more adept at his ability to absorb abilities through empathy. Furthermore, the puppet mastery sound effects were used with Sylar and Claire. No telekinesis effects were used. Plus, Sylar also made Claire WALK. If that was telekinesis, she would have just flung herself back and forth. The actions that Sylar made Claire do require much more finesse than telekinesis has to offer. It's puppet mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:33, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
IceGhost78 it's telekinesis, what all of a sudden you cant control people with TK? he's done it before and he's just using his power to his full potential, besides this is all speculation
Again, as I already said, why would TK not move every object in the body? He used his signature TK motions, it was almost like a resurrection of his Season 1 power. He used it so much better back then. Autre31415 22:40, April 27 2009 [EDT]
I'm not saying you can't control people with TK. I'm saying that at this point, it would make more sense that it was Doyle's ability considering that ability was MADE for the purpose of controlling people. I mean, why continue to write with blood if you now have a pencil? As for his "signature TK motions," they're the same as Eric Doyle's. So does that mean Doyle had telekinesis? No. That point is null. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 23:01, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
There is no evidence that he has Puppet Mastery, to say that he might is speculation and last I checked we don't do that here. You say he uses the same motions Doyle did, you say the sound effects are the same. That's your opinion. Which makes it speculation. - BlackWidower 02:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
We'd gone over this with a discussion on telepathy. Just because Matt Parkman can use telepathy to create illusions or persuade people, doesn't mean we list him as having persuasion or illusion. Furtermore, Doyle is alive and well, and we have not seen one scene that would indicate or be construed as representing him empathizing with Doyle. So it is speculation. -Barbedknives 23:04, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm conflicted on this. On one hand they used the sound effects that are characteristic of Doyle's ability, and on the other hand the LAST time they used the effects with Sylar controlling someone the writers came out and said it was telekinesis. I don't think it makes sense for him to have acquired Doyle's ability through empathy personally, but at the same time if Doyle is still alive he couldn't have taken the ability the traditional way. This is something I'd definitely want a clear answer from the writers on. (Admin 23:06, 27 April 2009 (EDT))
    • Well, 'Sylar' is dead now. We don't even know if Sylathan has access to any of the abilities Sylar had, except maybe Intuitive Aptitude or his own native Flight. So why does it matter? PS Hiro got screwed, what kind of hero gets punished for using their power? Total BS. - Barbedknives 22:29, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Why would he lose all his abilities because he lost his memory? - BlackWidower 02:26, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • He displayed Intuitive Aptitude at the preview to volume 5, along with the ticking sound. A very good cliffhanger actually. You Knowwhat happens when people have intuitive aptitude.. Autre31415 22:32, April 27 2009 [EDT]
  • I just watched this scene again and as an actor, I'm convinced that Sylar has puppet mastery. The key is in his hand positioning. When Sylar uses telekinesis, he nearly always uses two fingers pulled together, and only one hand. In the Clair scene he is using both hands, placed in a marionette position (fingers apart and curled downward unless pulling or pushing her). --Fcphantom 23:33, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Telekinesis (TK) could work, but not as smoothly as Puppet Mastery (PM). In the same way that Sylar has used TK to fly, his flight is not nearly as efficient as Nathan's or even West's. TK would apply pressure, while PM controls movements. I have a hard time believing that even Sylar could use TK to make Claire walk and drink as smoothly as illustrated in the episode. I vote for Puppet Mastery!--The black sylar 23:43, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Keep it simple my friends, I remind you Sylar has great proficiency with all his abilities, so if he really wants he can work his telekinesis pretty damn smoothly, and we have no evidence Doyle is dead, in fact according to the last graphic novel he's very much alive. Let's keep it simple, we know he has telekinesis, telekinesis is a viable method of controlling movements, anything else is pure speculation, and last I checked we don't do that here outside the fan creations. - BlackWidower 00:12, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Nobody said he was dead. In fact, everyone who supports the theory that Sylar has puppet mastery has said that he gained it through empathy. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:47, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Anyone recall in Season one where Sylar controlled Audrey Hanson's arm to make her point her gun at her head? - Master Dave 8:20, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • He definitely has PR because the sound effect used when he controlled claire wast he same as when Doyle controlled people it was not the telekinesis sound! --Connorbb (Connor ROCKS !!!!) 15:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Rewatching the scene, it is DEFINITELY puppet mastery. I'm convinced so far as to bet my life on it. Why? The demented laughing sound effects that have NEVER before been played outside of Doyle's presence play during the Claire/Sylar scene (didn't catch this the first time). Seriously, can't that be enough? I concede, the "vault closing" sound effect when Doyle/Sylar shut people up with puppet mastery/telekinesis was used for both characters. However, the laughter is just so specific to Doyle's character and to his personality, profession, and background. I'm sorry, it just has to be puppet mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:47, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I did think at first it was TK, but after rewatching it as well there really are the Doyle sounds. Not to mention the fact that the sound cues begin as the scene is still fading into view, and when the scene fades out. I believe they wanted to make it somewhat obvious what they planned for Sylar when it came to new abilities. It has been inconspicuous before what he could do, but the way that scene played out matched Puppet Mastery perfectly. Especially when Sylar said about killing Noah: "I'll kill him... Or make you kill him." That implies the Puppet Mastery as well, as a new ability he wants to practice. Autre31415 18:01, May 4 2009 (EDT)
  • It's ridiculous to say it was telekinesis. They specifically showed the scene in the intro showing sylar taking powers through empathy. Why would they show that scene unless he uses it? He took doyles power through empathy. It would be confusing to the viewers if it was otherwise, and all the sound effects match up.

Flight?

Does he have flight? I doubt it. I know we saw him fly onto that balcony but he wasn't that far from the balcony so it could just be an (admittedly advanced) application of telekinesis. The page says he acquired it from Nathan but Nathan died from a slit throat, not a slit forehead. Even if he acquired the ability after he killed Nathan, I didn't see a missing brain, and I know people are going to use the Jim Martin example of how Sylar acquired Shape shifting by not opening the skull, but I remind you that he used that method because he had to that time and had not used it at any other time, showing he prefers to open the skull. So I don't think we should have flight listed in his arsenal. - BlackWidower 00:05, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Totally agreed, I don't think Flight should be listed. He might have used telekinesis to lift himself in the air. If flight is listed, the ability puppet master should also be listed. It is NEVER proven that both flight and puppet master abilities have been aquired by sylar, but yet he SEEMED to use them in An Invisible Thread. He seemed to use puppet master on Claire, but he might be using Telekinesis. So if flight is listed, puppet master should be too. -- JLYK 13:11, 28 April 2009 (EST)
    • Besides, even if he got Flight from Nathan, he used it before he killed Nathan. It makes no sense. - BlackWidower 01:39, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • But that would explain why he slit Nathan's throat, not slice his head open. Could he absorb his ability through empathy? -- Altes 08:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Occam's Razor, unless we see him definitively using flight, he does not have flight. He was using Telekinesis. - BlackWidower 18:50, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

I thought he used TK to levitate down to the floor, so I would agree he never took Flight from Nathan. I assume now he has Flight now since you could say he knows Nathan so well (much better than himself), he has empathically obtained Flight. Not to mention the new Nathan would be confused if he couldn't fly. - Master Dave 8:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

        • I think that because Sylar had transformed into Nathan so many times, and because he had looked into all the memories of Nathan's clothing, he understood him well enough to empathiclly absorb his ability. I also agree that on the balcony Sylar was probably levatating himself with tk. --Tsmarg
          • Yeah, I guess he never had Flight until Matt erased his memories and he became Nathan or something like that.
            • Even with that, he may still not have flight. - BlackWidower 18:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
              • This is true, I do agree we shouldn't list Sylar with Flight as it isn't confirmed. Although Nathan knows he can fly so the new Nathan would be confused if he suddenly couldn't fly. But since Nathan rarely uses power it might not matter...
                • Sylar does have flight! The sound that was made when Sylar glided onto the balconey only happens when someone is flying and it made the sound. Also, referring to what was said about Sylar needing to cut heads open to get abilities, HE DOESN'T NEED TO! Arthur Petrelli taught Sylar how to absorb evolved humans' abilities without slicing their heads open. Sylar did this when they fought in the air by the suite!
                  • That's very good conjecture, but there's also very good conjecture on this page that goes directly against what you are saying. Ultimately, it's not confirmed whether or not Sylar has the ability to fly. Personally I believe he does. But until it's confirmed, we won't assume that he can fly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:52, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
    • I think we can safely list Sylar as having flight without it being speculative. Think about it- how would Sylar impersonate Nathan, and convince himself that he himself IS Nathan, if he doesn't have Nathan's power? If he does not have Flight Angela's illusion would collapse the moment "Nathan" tried to use his Flight power and couldn't. Angela is intelligent enough to know this, as are the writers. "Nathan" no longer knows he has telekinesis, so he cannot use that as a substitute for flight even it were possible. We also have several cues in the episode that may be explained with Sylar having flight already- the fact he went straight for Nathan's throat instead of holding him in place to cut his skull (as he was originally planning to do at the end of I Am Sylar), and the fact he levitated down onto the balcony (which can be either telekinesis or flight). We also have a case for how Sylar would have acquired this ability empathically- due to his clairsentience he spent a good deal of time learning all about Nathan's life by sucking memories out of his possessions. It is likely that this is exactly the same as what happened to James Martin, who, like Nathan, Sylar only met for a short time and was able to gain his power from. Furthermore, with Sylar now believing he is Nathan, he understands more about Nathan's life then anyone else, which should easily let him manifest (even if he did not take) Nathan's flight power via empathy.

For these reasons, I therefore suggest it can be listed as an ability he posseses. No, we don't know for absolute certainty that Sylar has Flight, but it seems to me to be the most basic logical leap that if Sylar is going to be Nathan, then he must possess Nathan's ability. I truly doubt anyone who considers the entire picture will seriously believe Sylar will not demonstrate Flight after Volume 5 begins (regardless of the debate of how and when). This seems more then enough for us to say that he does in fact have Flight. If we really really need absolute, irrefutable evidence that Sylar has Flight, so be it. But that strikes me as a little short-sighted, to say the very least.- Swmystery 11:30, 02 May 2009 (GMT)

  • why is everyone being so ridiculously stubborn? He clearly has flight. He had the sound effect and it would confuse nylar if all of a sudden he can't fly. He has flight. I don't mean to be rude, but the naysayers are just being plain stupid.
    • Okay, let's include flight in his abilities list. And when Volume Five airs, we discover that it was merely telekinesis and remove flight again. Or we get a confirmation it was flight after all. As for me, I think it was flight, but I'm not a writer nor a precog, so I'm against the changes. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Getting Sick of Sylar

Amy I the only one who thinks Sylar has worn out his welcome? I'm not saying he was a bad villian, quite contrarily he was an excellent villian, I just feel like the writers have completely explored his character and I'd like to see something new as the prime mysterious badguy. It gets old seeing the same faces and powers causing all the chaos. Intuitive aptitude needs to die as well in my opinion, it's just too easy to write formulaic plots when Sylar can get any power that is introduced. I'd like to see a strong villian with only one power but is resourceful enough to be as deadly or more than Sylar, and not played by Zachary Quinto. -Barbedknives (talk)00:13, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I just wish Sylar could steal cloning. THAT would be great, having hundreds, nay, thousands of Sylars running around!!! ALL PLAYED BY ZACHARY QUINTO!!!!! --Crazylicious 00:15, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
You son of a-- *nosebleeds* Barbedknives (talk)00:17, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • LOL)))))) you're right, guys. We had enough of Sylar. But transforming him into Nathan... well, that's definitely something new and interesting to have just a little more patience. -- Altes 01:35, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I nominate Tracy or Alice as new villian. With her newfangled water/steam/ice mimicry she's a great example of a character with only one ability but able to wreck devastation and in general be a bitch to kill. Same with Alice. Also, ffs kill off Hiro or give his powers back, at the very least stop giving him headaches! TIME TRAVEL RULES!! -Barbedknives (talk)01:39, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Well the writers wanted to give sylar a break too. That's why he's nathan now. He'll probably realize he's sylar near the end of the series and flip his lid again when he realizes he's a monster.

Tranquilizers and Rapid Cell Regeneration

Does anyone find it a little odd that RCR doesn't have counter effects to that of a tranquilizer? If you remember Claire didn't get intoxicated after drinking massive amounts of liquer because of her ability, and I'd think the same principle would apply. -Barbedknives (talk)01:20, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It's possible because alcohol causes actual damage, regeneration neutralizes it. Tranqs don't cause damage per se, they just knock you out. - BlackWidower 01:43, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Memory

Are his memories totally erased or is it still somewhere inside his brain?NuparuMahnika

  • I think he's still there and that "Nathan" ist just a bomb waiting to go off. With a VERY short fuse. Past (and future) events have shown, that brain alterations inflicted by mental manipulation as well as telepathy can be undone by rapid cell regeneration as well as healing. As soon as Sylar's RCR kicks in or some over-enthusiastic healer can't keep his hands to himself. Sylar will be back in full swing.

The far more intruiging question is: How much Nathan is actually in there? If he uses Nathan's stuff on a daily basis, he will relive almost all of Nathan's life through clairsentience. When Sylar comes back 'round, will he still see part of him as Nathan?--LongBlackCoat 05:55, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • But he can't use clairsentience, he doesn't even knows he have that ability.NuparuMahnika
  • He obviously can use intuitive aptitude, and Angela seems to expect him to use clairsentience to "fill the gaps" in his memories concerning Nathan's life.--LongBlackCoat 06:03, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Perhaps he can use Clairsentience and IA subconciously to some extent. I don't think he can regenerate at all unless he actually knows he has it. I wonder what would happen if he used Clairsentience on Angela or his own body...Of course he doesn't know he has it.
    • Matt Parkman has never been displayed with the ability to selectively shut off other evolve human's abilities. Which means that there is really no way to explain as of now why he would not have his abilities at all. He just thinks he's someone else, that doesn't magically rewrite his DNA. Autre31415 06:45, April 28 2009 [EDT]
      • I think so, because Matt did'nt do the transformation, he only forced Sylar to change into Nathan which actually is a DNA-rewriting as Sylar complained himself with one blue eye! --Juba 09:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • The assumption that shape shifting rewrites the shifter's DNA might be false. Sylar is the only one who stated that this happened when changing shape, which could have been an unqualified statement (since intuitive aptitude makes him understand any given system but doesn't necessarily provide him with the knowledge to correctly address the process goin gon in his body in scientific terms). A DNA test on James Martin still confirmed his identity, plus Sylar has been able to regenerate in his former assumed shape as Agent Donner.
    • Or it's possible that sylar has evolved the ability more, or they just retconned it. The writers haven't been consistent with shape shifting at all.

Picture

What do you think, should it be changed to some of Nathan's, since Sylar wears only his face for six weeks at least? -- Altes 08:16, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • At least a morphing half&half! We will have a serious problem putting all on Sylar while the appearance is Nathan's (who is really dead!). I would prefer to create a new character and leave both originals intact... the watch is still ticking inside! --Juba 09:07, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I was wondering how we would deal with that, maybe change Sylar to Nathan II, Nathan(II) or, The Second Nathan. Or create a new character page, or give Nathan all of Sylar's current abilities since Sylar assumed Nathan's identity. - BlackWidower 15:40, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

It's still Sylar's body. Whatever his body does should be place on Sylar's article regardless of who he think he is. Nathan isn't doing any of it because Nathan is dead. It can't be Nathan II because it's still Sylar, he just doesn't know who he really is. If "Nathan" goes and kills Peter, then it should be included on the Sylar article. --Snow Leapord 13:31, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

More Angela's lies?

Idea. Sooner or later 'Nathan' is going to discover that he has all of Sylar's powers. What do we expect from Angela to do? Have the Haitian help him forget it, or tell him a tale like 'you know, your ability never was flight, you are Arthur's son after all, and when you were injected, you gained an ability to absorb powers as well, you just took flight from someone, then all of Sylar's powers...' Hmmmm... -- Altes 11:06, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think the plan's most likely simpler: Sylar figures out who he really is - Sylar gets whacked. Since Sylar was never good at the getting whacked part, he'll most likely screw that up and get out while he still can. But since Noah's in on the whole thing, I can't picture 'The Plan' to be telling him a(nother) sweet bedtime story. Especially since from the second he figures out what he can do, even Angela won't be able to lie to him anymore.
    • I remember reading that lie detection could be tricked... --Trevorrrj 07:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)