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#:::: Eh, I guess you're right, but if the argument to split is that "Enhanced means made better by something else and super means naturally better", then we're gonna have to rename everything else. Seems like a hassle to me.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 14:22, 23 January 2010 (EST) |
#:::: Eh, I guess you're right, but if the argument to split is that "Enhanced means made better by something else and super means naturally better", then we're gonna have to rename everything else. Seems like a hassle to me.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 14:22, 23 January 2010 (EST) |
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#::::: Not really, enhanced hearing and memory, at first followed this rule, but both were named as such in Sylar's AT profile, and memory was named in Matt Neuenberg's AT. Synesthesia is on the verge of a rename, so there is no trouble at all. We also changed enhanced speed to super speed without renaming all abilities, no reason to do this now. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:29, 23 January 2010 (EST) |
#::::: Not really, enhanced hearing and memory, at first followed this rule, but both were named as such in Sylar's AT profile, and memory was named in Matt Neuenberg's AT. Synesthesia is on the verge of a rename, so there is no trouble at all. We also changed enhanced speed to super speed without renaming all abilities, no reason to do this now. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:29, 23 January 2010 (EST) |
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#:::: Definitely needs to be split, Niki's and Mohinder's have always been called Super Strength, and Knox's is "Enhanced". --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 22:10, 24 January 2010 (EST) |
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Including Sylar and Mohinder
I think Sylar should be included on this page. He has shown feats that would require strength beyond a normal human's ability. Punching through the cab window and wielding the parking meter as a weapon (initially in one hand) would not be possible without some kind of power at work. We define it as 'the ability to exert greater than normal physical force,' which would apply even if he was using his telekinesis to supplement his strength (but we don't know that he was, and so all we truly know is that he was able to accomplish those feats, which would require greater than normal strength). --Stevehim 22:54, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- Nope, totally disagree. Assuming that he has this ability is just as speculative as assuming that he can fly when he sneaks up on Dale Smither. Unless it's confirmed, or unless we see him stealing the power from somebody who already has the power, we won't add him here. Nor will we add Mohinder to this page because he is really strong, or Noah to enhanced memory because he can remember things really well, or Lyle to rapid cell regeneration because he can heal from a paper cut. I'm exaggerating, of course, but until it's confirmed, it's not a power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:00, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- I disagree, especially about Mohinder. On his ability page, we list an aspect of his power as enhanced strength. Additionally, why would this be any different from listing Santiago and Edward on the super speed page? --Stevehim 23:09, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- We shouldn't be listing the ability called enhanced strength on Mohinder's page. I think perhaps a note is all that is warranted--there are aspects of Mohinder's ability that are similar to this ability, but they are not the same ability. Santiago was revealed to have two abilities--his Create Your Hero profile said so, and a BTE confirmed that the power of super speed is a byproduct of his accelerated probability. No such confirmation has been given for Mohinder that I know of. If there is, then we can certainly add his name to the page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- How is that different from listing Niki and Knox as having the same ability? - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- This page is not about feats of strength. It's about an evolved human ability that has been called "enhanced strength". Niki and Knox have the same ability, which they access in different ways. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- When was Niki's ability called enhanced strength? When were Niki and Knox said to have the same ability? - Josh (talk/contribs) 00:53, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- Niki Sanders, like Knox, has an ability that allows her to be stronger than a normal human would be. Thus, their powers both take the name of Knox's: enhanced strength. --Ricard Desi 13:04, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- When was Niki's ability called enhanced strength? When were Niki and Knox said to have the same ability? - Josh (talk/contribs) 00:53, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- This page is not about feats of strength. It's about an evolved human ability that has been called "enhanced strength". Niki and Knox have the same ability, which they access in different ways. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- The way I read the BTE interview was that Santiago's speed is a byproduct of his accelerated probability. Much the same can be said about Mohinder's ability (that enhanced strength is a byproduct of his ability). Additionally, it's currently more of an assumption, imo, to grant Scott this ability, based on his actions. For all we know, his strength was a byproduct of another ability as well, as it wasn't named (iirc). We also assumed that Future Peter's comment about erasing memories was enough evidence to give him mental manipulation, even though we know he already had a power that could accomplish the same thing (telepathy...was used by Arthur to erase Angela's memories). For now, however, I'll leave it in the notes section, and await responses on what to do about rewording Mohinder's ability. --Stevehim 00:14, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- How is that different from listing Niki and Knox as having the same ability? - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- We shouldn't be listing the ability called enhanced strength on Mohinder's page. I think perhaps a note is all that is warranted--there are aspects of Mohinder's ability that are similar to this ability, but they are not the same ability. Santiago was revealed to have two abilities--his Create Your Hero profile said so, and a BTE confirmed that the power of super speed is a byproduct of his accelerated probability. No such confirmation has been given for Mohinder that I know of. If there is, then we can certainly add his name to the page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- I disagree, especially about Mohinder. On his ability page, we list an aspect of his power as enhanced strength. Additionally, why would this be any different from listing Santiago and Edward on the super speed page? --Stevehim 23:09, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- I agree with Stevehim. we're listing electric manipulation as a byproduct of accelerated probability page on account of Edward, despite the fact that the effects are different and the abilities are even less related. according to that precedent, Mohinder should be listed here in the same manner. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:32, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- Frankly, I think that all these by-products will cause the Wiki to explode by the time we reach Season 5 if the writers continue to mix up abilities.--Referos 12:32, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- Edward should never have had his ability listed as electric manipulation unless we had confirmation that that ability is, or can be, a byproduct of accelerated probability, or whatever his ability is. Personally, I think we should do like we always do, and call his ability by one name, unless we learn otherwise. We would never think to say the Haitian has three abilities, or one ability with byproducts, even though he can erase memories, block abilities, and knock people unconscious with the touch of his hand. We would never list Hiro as having three abilities, or one ability with byproducts, even though he can stop time, time travel, and teleport. Ultimately, this page is not about feats of superhuman strength. It's about an ability that has been called "enhanced strength" and "super strength". Adrenaline can make people do things that are amazing--mothers have lifted cars to save their children, and people have punched through cab windows when angry. That does not mean they have this ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:28, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- That's fine, but then I think it would have to apply to Scott as well. Why are we assuming he has this ability based on his act of strength, if we're not willing to do the same for the others? --Stevehim 17:10, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- That sounds reasonable. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:59, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- For one, the sudden burst of strength was an immediate effect, right after being injected. On top of that, he never presented any other kinds of abilities, whereas Mohinder and Sylar both did. --Ricard Desi 13:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
- Well there have been many varations to this power, so by their may be a version of the power driven by some sort of Telekinesis, like Knox's was by fear. Meaning that Sylar managed to actuate that aspect of it and use it to enhance his own strength, so he could be under that list of people with this power. As for Mohinder, his power advances all of his phisical and mental atributes, meaning that he too has a form of strength making him another that could be listed. Halfbred1426
- That's fine, but then I think it would have to apply to Scott as well. Why are we assuming he has this ability based on his act of strength, if we're not willing to do the same for the others? --Stevehim 17:10, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Other forms
Every person that has this power has had their own mechanics to it: Niki, Knox, Michael and Scott have all been given different aspects with the manifestation of this one power. Even Sylar ambiguously had way back in season 1. Mohinder's strength came as a result from his power of Enhanced Physicality or Mohinder's ability as it is called. What this is about is coming up with other suggestions to how this power may differ if another has it, so please come up with your own versions of Enhanced strength. Marcus
- What if there was somebody that took the energy of the environment around them to fuel their own Strength, making entire buildings loose power and heat, momentarily, when ever he or she used their power. Or also draining huge amounts of power from someone like Elle or Ando, giving him or her their strength form months at an end, which means that it would get quite cold when ever he used it or drained power.
- Perhaps Michael Fitzgerald's strength is produced by an energy that body generates and since tattoos have metals in them become partly charged making them glow, the source of any power is in the brain, so his optic nerves transfer an amount of the energy from it making his eyes glow. I honestly think that his strength is drawn from the energy he produces.
Ooh! How about drunken boxing from that one Chinese movie? Or perhaps that one adrenaline rush ability from the Fan powers article?
Please sign your posts, mystery posters.--ERROR 16:51, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
can we change the main image to...
I think that this picture will look much better, then Niki (as Jessica) holding her Father up agaist a wall. It doesn't really show that the power is "super strength" alot of people could pin someone up agaist a wall. Anyone else agree or disagree? Samstorey 11:13, 1 January 2009
- Please sign your posts. Also, the picture you show here seems more ambiguous than the one currently on the page. While on the page, she is clearly holding up a large man by the neck with one hand, in this picture, it could just as easily be telekinesis. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
- I like the, um, foreground of the picture above. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2009 (EST)
- If the picture is to be changed, it should be the one of her holding bob up, since you can see his feet aren't touching the ground. Or, one of Knox, since he was the more recent focus of the ability.--Riddler 01:38, 4 January 2009 (EST)
- Don't you think that the one of Bob is abit to far away? And I don't think we should use one of Knox, he never did anything that good except punch a few people.--User:Samstorey 19:37, 4 January 2009
- And stick his hand through a body and then solid metal... :P --IotV 19:42, 4 January 2009 (GMT)
- There's always Knox bending the iron bar. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:50, 4 January 2009 (EST)
- And stick his hand through a body and then solid metal... :P --IotV 19:42, 4 January 2009 (GMT)
- Don't you think that the one of Bob is abit to far away? And I don't think we should use one of Knox, he never did anything that good except punch a few people.--User:Samstorey 19:37, 4 January 2009
- If the picture is to be changed, it should be the one of her holding bob up, since you can see his feet aren't touching the ground. Or, one of Knox, since he was the more recent focus of the ability.--Riddler 01:38, 4 January 2009 (EST)
- I like the, um, foreground of the picture above. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2009 (EST)
- My two cents is that I prefer the image we have to either the one above or any of Knox. --Stevehim 16:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)
- What if we change the picture to this picture. It shows how strong he is instead of Nikki holding her father.
- I think I might speak for a lot of people, but I don't feel that any main power image change is necessary, other than the Clairsentience one, but that's for another talk page. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:43, 21 January 2009 (EST)
- ...and my 2 cents think we should keep it the same...Hal's a big guy, and most people who see the image understand the idea of a woman pinning a guy up against a wall has to be pretty strong--Anthony Gooch 02:21, 1 March 2009 (EST)
- I agree, AG. I think the image we have now is fine. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2009 (EST)
- ...and my 2 cents think we should keep it the same...Hal's a big guy, and most people who see the image understand the idea of a woman pinning a guy up against a wall has to be pretty strong--Anthony Gooch 02:21, 1 March 2009 (EST)
- I think I might speak for a lot of people, but I don't feel that any main power image change is necessary, other than the Clairsentience one, but that's for another talk page. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:43, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Why doesn't someone get a picture of Jessica when she holds Bob up against the wall because there's a shot there where you can see her holding him with only one hand and he is lifted several feet off the ground. Can't remember the episode though. Sometime in season 2. --Mc hammark 16:49, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
- This is the picture I was talking about, can we change it to that because it is more obvious than the one that we have just now.
--mc_hammark 16:19, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- This is the picture I was talking about, can we change it to that because it is more obvious than the one that we have just now.
- I agree. This is a lot more obvious. The one we have now makes it look he is still on his feet.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:25, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- I'll leave it a day and as long as no-one has any objections I'll change it. --mc_hammark 16:26, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- Good image, but I think it would be better if there was less "white space", so to speak, there's too much of the background of the image, maybe if someone crops the image, putting Niki and Bob more in focus. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:20, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- I've just uploaded a cropped one. Here.
Is this one ok? --mc_hammark 14:29, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- I've just uploaded a cropped one. Here.
- Good image, but I think it would be better if there was less "white space", so to speak, there's too much of the background of the image, maybe if someone crops the image, putting Niki and Bob more in focus. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:20, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- I'll leave it a day and as long as no-one has any objections I'll change it. --mc_hammark 16:26, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
- What do you mean 450x350? --mc_hammark 14:40, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- the width and height. Like if you click on the first image you put on there, the full one, right below the image you will see the image file name, then in parenthesis, 450x350 pixel.....and so on. That's the size it needs to be.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:45, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- Well, ok then, if we can't use that one can we at least use another one other than the one just now; it really just looks like he's taller than her and she's choking him. How about This one?--mc_hammark 14:57, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- Well, ok then, if we can't use that one can we at least use another one other than the one just now; it really just looks like he's taller than her and she's choking him. How about This one?--mc_hammark 14:57, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
- the width and height. Like if you click on the first image you put on there, the full one, right below the image you will see the image file name, then in parenthesis, 450x350 pixel.....and so on. That's the size it needs to be.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:45, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
Potentially Common
It seems that there are only two that naturally have this power, more so is it that they had differing versions of this power. Both Knox and Michael Fitzgerald had two separate and individual kinds of the ability, while Scott and Mohinder had the power without any extra needs or advantages. Niki was able to actuate her strength, only for it to cause a Jekyll and Hide affect on her mind and personality. Why I am saying this is because, Nikki, Mohinder and Scott were all Synthetics, in terms of the abilities' sources. In the changed future, many people seemed to have the/share the same or very similar powers, such as Flight. In this set future certain abilities were very common, possibly due to the fact that they could be - in terms of genetics - more like blood types. Some being common, others being rare, making it likely that if the Serum was given to a group of one thousand people, than a higher number of them would gain Flight, Super speed and, hopefully, Enhanced strength. And I wonder what other advantages natural borns would have along with the enhanced strength? -- Halfbreed1426
- I apologize if this feels blunt, but you said nothing new there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:18, 28 February 2009 (EST)
- I was only making speculations -- Halfbreed1426 23:57, 28 February 2009
What speculations? Also, I edited your post, so tell me if I made an error.--ERROR 14:01, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
when was nickis power called enhanced strength
hers isnt canon
Peter's power in Orientation
This is his power from Orientation. During his talk with Noah he specificly mentions the enhanced strength helping him, says "thank you Doctor Suresh" and says its a pretty useful power. Also, remember in A Clear in Present Danger when he said he wished he was stronger and faster??? Well it makes sense he took stronger as its very useful and plus until he encountered Edgar, the only known person with super-speed was dead.--WarGrowlmon18 19:11, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
Why?
I'm sorry if this has been stated before, but Niki, Mohinder and random soldier man all got enhanced strength from the genetic modification formula. I understand that this is supposedly a common ability for people to manifest once given the formula, but it just seems somewhat unprofessional for the writers to use the same power three times. --PJDEP 17:56, 11 November 2009 (EST)
- I think that they're just trying to make it more realistic. If people did have abilities I'm sure people would have the same ones. And not everyone just has a completely different ability. Otherwise they just didn't want to spend extra money on special effects. Hahahaha. --Scorvi12 07:45, 12 December 2009 (EST)
Fear Induced strength
I really think it's time to finally stop calling Knox's ability enhanced strength, i think we should make a vote. I think it's the same as calling levitation telekinesis, i mean it is similar but it isn't the same. Knox's ability is allowing him to feel someone's fear, if knox's didn't use the aspect that he was able to change fear into strength, we would't call it enhanced strength. I really think that this has gone to far and i also think that a lot of people agree with me. Should we make a concensus or something?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 09:43, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Why? Knox's ability is named on his assignment tracker, and his strength is indeed enhanced by others' fear.
AltesUTC CH 09:57, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Why? because enhanced strength only works on someone's own body, but Knox's ability is going "outside" of his own body and is able to detect someone's fear. It's like a radar. and btw the assignment tracker isn't a canon source.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:03, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- It's a near-canon source, and Knox's AT was shown in an episode, which makes the name absolutely canon. AltesUTC CH 10:11, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- I think that telepathy or empathy is even better than put it under enhanced strength, i mean come on this ability is able to feel someone's emotions! If there was an AT about Lydia's ability calling it telepathy, would you call it telepathy?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:16, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Yoshi, this has been discussed countless times. In the same way that Tracy's ability is freezing because the name "freezing" was explicitly shown on the show, this ability name will remain as "enhanced strength". --Radicell 10:21, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- I know that it has been discussed several times, and mabye you are right and i should stop this discussion. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:31, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- You know Yoshi, you gave me an idea. How do we know others with ES never absorbed fear? Everytime this ability was used somebody was near its user - Jessica was a murderer, Mohinder was one too; Michael Fitzgerald used his ability when Rachel St. John was near; Scott used his ability only once, and Nathan, Tracy and Mohinder looked very uneasy when he yanked that chair from the floor... Although speculative, it's quite possible Knox wasn't the only one who absorbed fear. AltesUTC CH 10:34, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- When Niki snapped a guard baton, he was definitely not scared. No other person was said to need fear for the ability to work. As I said in the past, Knox's AT calls his ability enhanced strength. It also shows us that in the "person with similar ability" that Niki wasn't there. This is the main reason why I think they don't have the same ability. For me, the best way to approach this is to consider Knox as having "enhanced strength", because his strength is enhanced by fear, so it's not enhanced all the time, and say everyone else has "super strength", because they need no source to get stronger, so they have super strength all the time. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- I definitely agree with you on this IE :) Why not call theirs Super Strength? Of course we couldn't if there were canon or semi-canon source(s) citing their power as enhanced strength too. Is there? -- Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 12:02, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Sylar called Micheal Fitzgerald's ability "enhanced strength and durability"; Mohinder and Dr. Zimmerman used the term "super strength"... Hope we don't split them all. AltesUTC CH 05:50, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- True. I wouldn't oppose having "enhanced strength" for Knox and "super strength" for the others, but Fitzgerald explodes this idea.--Referos 08:10, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- And don't forget that Mohinder is "faster, stronger, more agile" :) AltesUTC CH 08:30, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- Strength and agility can be understood as byproducts. If you get stronger, nothing says only your arms/hands get stronger, if they got stronger leg muscles, they'd certainly be faster. Daphne was quick with her hands as well as with her feet remember? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:50, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- Micah used to say his mother was super strong. Hiro also used super instead of enhanced when referring to Mohinder in Close to You. There are more references to everyone minus Knox being super than being enhanced. It works. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:24, 12 January 2010 (EST)
- I agree we should split these, call this Super Strength and Knox's Enhanced Strength. --Powermimic 04:59, 19 January 2010 (EST)
- I also agree for a split. Knox's strength is enhanced by fear, Niki's was super all of the time. --mc_hammark 07:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
- I agree we should split these, call this Super Strength and Knox's Enhanced Strength. --Powermimic 04:59, 19 January 2010 (EST)
- Micah used to say his mother was super strong. Hiro also used super instead of enhanced when referring to Mohinder in Close to You. There are more references to everyone minus Knox being super than being enhanced. It works. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:24, 12 January 2010 (EST)
- Strength and agility can be understood as byproducts. If you get stronger, nothing says only your arms/hands get stronger, if they got stronger leg muscles, they'd certainly be faster. Daphne was quick with her hands as well as with her feet remember? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:50, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- And don't forget that Mohinder is "faster, stronger, more agile" :)
- True. I wouldn't oppose having "enhanced strength" for Knox and "super strength" for the others, but Fitzgerald explodes this idea.--Referos 08:10, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- Sylar called Micheal Fitzgerald's ability "enhanced strength and durability"; Mohinder and Dr. Zimmerman used the term "super strength"... Hope we don't split them all.
- I definitely agree with you on this IE :) Why not call theirs Super Strength? Of course we couldn't if there were canon or semi-canon source(s) citing their power as enhanced strength too. Is there? -- Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 12:02, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- When Niki snapped a guard baton, he was definitely not scared. No other person was said to need fear for the ability to work. As I said in the past, Knox's AT calls his ability enhanced strength. It also shows us that in the "person with similar ability" that Niki wasn't there. This is the main reason why I think they don't have the same ability. For me, the best way to approach this is to consider Knox as having "enhanced strength", because his strength is enhanced by fear, so it's not enhanced all the time, and say everyone else has "super strength", because they need no source to get stronger, so they have super strength all the time. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- You know Yoshi, you gave me an idea. How do we know others with ES never absorbed fear? Everytime this ability was used somebody was near its user - Jessica was a murderer, Mohinder was one too; Michael Fitzgerald used his ability when Rachel St. John was near; Scott used his ability only once, and Nathan, Tracy and Mohinder looked very uneasy when he yanked that chair from the floor... Although speculative, it's quite possible Knox wasn't the only one who absorbed fear.
- I know that it has been discussed several times, and mabye you are right and i should stop this discussion. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:31, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Yoshi, this has been discussed countless times. In the same way that Tracy's ability is freezing because the name "freezing" was explicitly shown on the show, this ability name will remain as "enhanced strength". --Radicell 10:21, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- I think that telepathy or empathy is even better than put it under enhanced strength, i mean come on this ability is able to feel someone's emotions! If there was an AT about Lydia's ability calling it telepathy, would you call it telepathy?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:16, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- It's a near-canon source, and Knox's AT was shown in an episode, which makes the name absolutely canon.
- Why? because enhanced strength only works on someone's own body, but Knox's ability is going "outside" of his own body and is able to detect someone's fear. It's like a radar. and btw the assignment tracker isn't a canon source.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:03, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Split
ok, so I'm not sure if this has been suggested before for the same reasons. But i'd like to suggest a split into super-strength and enhanced strength. These names would back up the cannon names for the characters' abilities (Micah calling his mum "super-strong" and Knox's assignment tracker "Enhanced strength"). If you think about it, something has to have something too enhance it; in knox's case, it's fear. Niki's would be super-strong because she can be strong no matter what, so is always super-strong. Thoughts? Remember, this split would solve a few arguments. --mc_hammark 15:12, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- You got a point there. I agree with you on that, I've always thought (though never said anything) that Niki's ability and Knox's ability were completely different, even if they were both incredibly strong. I'm for the split. So, Knox would be kept at "Enhanced strength" and Mohinder, Niki, Scott and others with the ability would be moved to "Super strength"? --Leckie -- Talk 15:18, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- Even if Knox's ability would be named "I am strong" i'm still happy, i just want a split.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:23, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- Something I've always wished for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:44, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- I don't think anyone is against the split? I say lets split them. --Powermimic 04:18, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I think we should but a split template on the page then wait a couple of days. --mc_hammark 06:31, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I don't think anyone is against the split? I say lets split them. --Powermimic 04:18, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Something I've always wished for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:44, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- Even if Knox's ability would be named "I am strong" i'm still happy, i just want a split.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:23, 20 January 2010 (EST)
- Sylar said that Michael Fitzgerald had "enhanced strength and durability" however. In which page would we place him?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:31, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Well, it didn't seem as though he was enhanced by anything, he seemed to be able to turn it on and off when he wanted. --mc_hammark 15:38, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Other than the glowing tattoos, Michael was closer to Niki, Mohinder and Scott than he was to Knox. The durability could have been a mention to ability immunity perhaps? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:38, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Yes, but since his power was explicitly called "enhanced strength", we would have to put him with Knox, which I think defeats the purpose of the split.--Referos 16:45, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Right, I wasn't suggesting that he was more durable then the others. I haven't really developed an opinion towards this yet, but I don't think we can simply ignore Sylar's comment.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:49, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I believe that Michael wound end up with super strength because of the following. Knox's AT lists him having enhanced strength, and the spot of person with similar ability is vacant. I'm not sure about the timeline, but both Knox and Michael were Level 5 detainees, if the Company thought they had similar ability, they'd be listed as such. This is clearly not the case. Remember that when Jessica took Niki over, a tattoo appeared. Michael is once again close to what we'd call super strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:51, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- That's actually a good point (in reference to the assignment tracker), but does that mean we simply assume that Sylar read the file wrong? Also, slightly unrelated but I don't think that the glowing tattoos and eyes in any graphic novel mean much. I've always interpreted it as a way of showing that an ability is being used, because it isn't always clear from a still image.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:55, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I believe that as well, but having an argument using the tattoos doesn't hurt our chances. About the file, I don't know, maybe he read an outdated file, or an abstract of a file, or maybe he read it as super strength and just decided to call it enhanced because for him the terms were interchangeable. Other than Sylar using enhanced to describe Michael's ability, everything points to him having the same ability as Niki, Mohinder and Scott if we consider theirs as super strength and Knox's as enhanced strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:00, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Unless the tattoos themselves are the key to his enhanced strength. No one else had physical manifestations for their powers (Niki's tattoo was specifically when Jessica was in control, not when she necessarily had her power). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Then it falls back to what PJDEP said about showing that the ability is in use. Simple as that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:03, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I'm just gonna put a poll below to see where we're at with the split. --mc_hammark 13:21, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- So what's are we splitting? Enhanced strength and Knox's ability? Or Enhanced Strength and Michael's ability?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:28, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Enhanced strength and Knox's ability-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:29, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- No no, enhanced strength is knox's ability, as stated by the AT. It is enhanced by fear, hence the enhanced. We're splitting it into Enhanced Strength (for knox) and Super Strength (for niki and the others). --mc_hammark 13:34, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- What's the point in that? Enhanced, super...they both mean having greater strength than normal. I see no pint in this then.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:36, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Knox's strenght is being enhanced by fear, Nikki and the others always have the same strenght.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:38, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Ok, let me explain it. Super means to be greater than normal. Enhanced means to be made greater than normal by something, such as steroids can enhance your muscle size. Niki's strength was always super without any need for anything. Knox's however, needs to be enhanced by fear. --mc_hammark 13:40, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Knox's strenght is being enhanced by fear, Nikki and the others always have the same strenght.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:38, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- What's the point in that? Enhanced, super...they both mean having greater strength than normal. I see no pint in this then.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:36, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- No no, enhanced strength is knox's ability, as stated by the AT. It is enhanced by fear, hence the enhanced. We're splitting it into Enhanced Strength (for knox) and Super Strength (for niki and the others). --mc_hammark 13:34, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Enhanced strength and Knox's ability-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:29, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- So what's are we splitting? Enhanced strength and Knox's ability? Or Enhanced Strength and Michael's ability?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:28, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- I'm just gonna put a poll below to see where we're at with the split. --mc_hammark 13:21, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Then it falls back to what PJDEP said about showing that the ability is in use. Simple as that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:03, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- While I do believe they should be split, I still think that they cannot be split under the current (unwritten) policy that we should never question explicit sources. Sylar explicitly called Michael's power "enhanced strength"; the naming conventions dictate that we must list him as having enhanced strength no matter what, which would put him with the same power as Knox, making the split meaningless. While I do think the naming conventions should be changed (though that seems unlikely), the current policy makes this split impossible.--Referos 12:34, 24 January 2010 (EST)
- Unless the tattoos themselves are the key to his enhanced strength. No one else had physical manifestations for their powers (Niki's tattoo was specifically when Jessica was in control, not when she necessarily had her power). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I believe that as well, but having an argument using the tattoos doesn't hurt our chances. About the file, I don't know, maybe he read an outdated file, or an abstract of a file, or maybe he read it as super strength and just decided to call it enhanced because for him the terms were interchangeable. Other than Sylar using enhanced to describe Michael's ability, everything points to him having the same ability as Niki, Mohinder and Scott if we consider theirs as super strength and Knox's as enhanced strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:00, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- That's actually a good point (in reference to the assignment tracker), but does that mean we simply assume that Sylar read the file wrong? Also, slightly unrelated but I don't think that the glowing tattoos and eyes in any graphic novel mean much. I've always interpreted it as a way of showing that an ability is being used, because it isn't always clear from a still image.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:55, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- I believe that Michael wound end up with super strength because of the following. Knox's AT lists him having enhanced strength, and the spot of person with similar ability is vacant. I'm not sure about the timeline, but both Knox and Michael were Level 5 detainees, if the Company thought they had similar ability, they'd be listed as such. This is clearly not the case. Remember that when Jessica took Niki over, a tattoo appeared. Michael is once again close to what we'd call super strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:51, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Right, I wasn't suggesting that he was more durable then the others. I haven't really developed an opinion towards this yet, but I don't think we can simply ignore Sylar's comment.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:49, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Yes, but since his power was explicitly called "enhanced strength", we would have to put him with Knox, which I think defeats the purpose of the split.--Referos 16:45, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Other than the glowing tattoos, Michael was closer to Niki, Mohinder and Scott than he was to Knox. The durability could have been a mention to ability immunity perhaps? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:38, 21 January 2010 (EST)
- Well, it didn't seem as though he was enhanced by anything, he seemed to be able to turn it on and off when he wanted. --mc_hammark 15:38, 21 January 2010 (EST)
Poll
For the split
- --mc_hammark 13:21, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:23, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- --Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:30, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- --Leckie -- Talk 13:41, 23 January 2010 (EST) - Definately, this has been needed for a while!
- --Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:52, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- --PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:04, 23 January 2010 (EST) - IE's point about the assignment tracker made my decision.
- --TanderixUTCR 11:24 (Italy), January 24, 2010
- --Referos 12:34, 24 January 2010 (EST) -- Though I'm not comfortable doing this split under the current naming conventions
Against the split
- --Riddler 14:05, 23 January 2010 (EST) Only because the argument of "Enhanced" doesn't apply to our other enhanced abilities. See Enhanced (disambig)
- Those abilities don't have a weird counterpart like this one does. Also, we're talking about the strength abilities, not other abilities. We used to call super speed by enhanced speed, but when Daphne showed up, she was called super, so we changed it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:09, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- If I remember correctly, we stuck with certain names to keep a consistency. I thought this was one of them, or the others were based on this one.--Riddler 14:12, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Enhanced kinda is our default word for greater than normal anything, but in this case, AT used it to name strength that is augmented by fear. Before that AT was out, this page was called super strength, Micah called his mother super strong quite a few times, but someone decided that the article wasn't to be split, so the name for Knox's ability became the name for Niki's ability as well. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:19, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Eh, I guess you're right, but if the argument to split is that "Enhanced means made better by something else and super means naturally better", then we're gonna have to rename everything else. Seems like a hassle to me.--Riddler 14:22, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Not really, enhanced hearing and memory, at first followed this rule, but both were named as such in Sylar's AT profile, and memory was named in Matt Neuenberg's AT. Synesthesia is on the verge of a rename, so there is no trouble at all. We also changed enhanced speed to super speed without renaming all abilities, no reason to do this now. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:29, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Definitely needs to be split, Niki's and Mohinder's have always been called Super Strength, and Knox's is "Enhanced". --Powermimic 22:10, 24 January 2010 (EST)
- Eh, I guess you're right, but if the argument to split is that "Enhanced means made better by something else and super means naturally better", then we're gonna have to rename everything else. Seems like a hassle to me.--Riddler 14:22, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Enhanced kinda is our default word for greater than normal anything, but in this case, AT used it to name strength that is augmented by fear. Before that AT was out, this page was called super strength, Micah called his mother super strong quite a few times, but someone decided that the article wasn't to be split, so the name for Knox's ability became the name for Niki's ability as well. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:19, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- If I remember correctly, we stuck with certain names to keep a consistency. I thought this was one of them, or the others were based on this one.--Riddler 14:12, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Those abilities don't have a weird counterpart like this one does. Also, we're talking about the strength abilities, not other abilities. We used to call super speed by enhanced speed, but when Daphne showed up, she was called super, so we changed it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:09, 23 January 2010 (EST)