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The name Lightning, has been given on the show (see side bar), and is not likely to be changed unless another name is given on the show.

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Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. 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Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa]] • [[Talk:Lightning/Archive 1# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message wa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. 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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine electric manipulation's name.
Source/Explanation
The name of "lightning" has been explicitly used to refer to this ability numerous times, most notably in Petrified Lightning and Four Months Ago....

Absolutely, absolutely hate to do this

Especially with that foreboding template on the page's top, but, just as a suggestion, Joe Pokaski and Aron Eli Coleite call Elle's power "good old electrokinesis" in response to a fan's question here. The Living Lightning is in reference to a Marvel Comics character who has, in addition to other powers, electrokinesis; this is evidenced by both words being capitalised. I hope I don't get into trouble for this, I only wanted to point it out for the good of the Project and its credibility. Therequiembellishere 00:50, 26 November 2007 (EST)

• This has been discussed at length, so I'll give you the brief answer. :) There are several canonical references to the power as "lightning" which trump the "electrokinesis" reference in the interview. For more detail, check out the archived discussions for this page. (Admin 00:55, 26 November 2007 (EST))
  • Hate to say it but i think the creators of the show have a higher say than what Peter would call it... cause Peter just saw that he could throw electric bolts, if it happened to you or me without any prior knowlege we would call it lightning too. But creators actually know what they want it to be... sorry to bring this up again but i really think Electrokinesis takes the cake.--.Vault 16:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)
    • When information from an interview conflicts with information from an episode, the episode always wins out, no matter what. It doesn't matter what we think about it or whether we like the outcome. Anything which appears in an interview can always be changed by the time it appears in an episode. See Help:Sources and Help:Naming_conventions#Power_Names. That said, the writers and producers have also used "lightning" in interviews and episode commentaries, so even if it came down to a head-to-head conflict between secondary sources, "electrokinesis" is no more "official" than "lightning"--setting aside for the moment that the writers merely repeated the word given to them, and that "lightning" has been used in interviews multiple times.--Hardvice (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (EST)
• i damn right agree with electrokinesis. the same way 'plant growth' should be florakinesis, and 'induced radioactivity' Radiokinesis!
  • "Florakinesis" means "flower movement". "Induced radioactivity" appeared in an episode (it's listed in the Genesis files). The ability names listed on AE.org are made up by fans and, frankly, mostly awful.--Hardvice (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2007 (EST)
    • If the writers call it good old electrokinesis why is it still called lightning. Titan3510 17:42, 6 November 2008 (EST)
      • Cause what's used in the show trumps what the writers say according to our naming conventions.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:00, 6 November 2008 (EST)
        • And I'm not a big fan of using a name that is fed to the writers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (EST)
          • So what? They didn't have to say "good old electrokinesis". They could have said something else, preferring a different name. Plus, they made an actual reference to a comic character who had the same power. And what is his power called. Electrokinesis. So what's the big deal. I mean, I understand the naming convention for abilities but lightning doesn't accurately describe the ability. Electrokinesis does. Why does pyrokinesis get its name but electrokinesis can't get its name? Titan3510 00:43, 18 November 2008 (EST)
            • I don't know how the name for Flint's power factors into the argument for Elle's power, other than because the name you are vying for shares a suffix. However, the reason both pyrokinesis and lightning are so named is the same: both names were mentioned in episodes. Flint's assignment tracker profile appeared in The Butterfly Effect explicitly naming his power. Had it said "Fire starting", we would have gone with that. Elle's power has been called "lightning" several times on air and in graphic novels. I don't think it's ever been referred to as "electrokinesis" except in an interview where the writers were baited with the term. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2008 (EST)
• Suited name would be "Electrokinesis": the ability to produce and manipulate electricity.

Pyrokinesis - Fire, Cyrokinesis - Ice, Aerokinesis - Air, Geokinesis - Earth, Hydro/Aquakinesis - Water. "I don't think it's ever been referred to as "electrokinesis" - It doesn't matter if the name hasn't been said on the show or not - Electrokinesis is the name best to describe Elle's ability. "Elle's power has been called "lightning" - It's called "lightning" because that's what people see it as. You wouldn't say "I shot him with a bolt of Electrokinesis" Electrokinesis is the name - Lightning is the product.

Perhaps

Perhaps Elle needs both arms active to maintain full control over her power. She was aiming to kill Sylar and hit him dead-center but he only staggers for a second, even through she stunned Peter with much less effort. -----  Seclusion  talk / contribs 19:50, 4 December 2007 (EST)

I assume she didn't want to kill Sylar, just incapacitate him (and she miscalculated). She used a much higher amount of "lightning" on Peter, because his powers (regeneration, strength, maybe even lightning) made him able to survive much higher voltages.--Tim Thomason 18:46, 13 December 2007 (EST)

difference between Elle's lightning and Peter's

• I noticed that Peter's lightning has more of a wavy appearance to it while Elle's actually looks like a strike of lightning. Did anyone else notice this? I think it is the same basic principle like West and NAthan's different flying. Jason Garrick 16:52, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • I never noticed that. It's certainly possible. Are there any screencaps in particular that highlight the difference? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:07, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • I actually don't think this is the case, Elle uses her power in a similar fashion to Peter but perhaps due her increased control, it sometimes looks different. This one she uses it in lightning form. This one, this one, and this one, however don't use it in that fashion. This one doesn't have any real difference to Elle using it. I think its all power development tbh. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 17:48, 13 December 2007 (EST)
      • There is a possibility that there is a difference, but it's nothing significant. Peter, Ted, and Sylar have all glowed different colors. They're just creative differences.--Ice Vision 19:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)
        • Yeah, I checked. Your right. Peter only has wavy lightning twice. Once at Ricky's pub and once when he shot Adam. After that it is just like Elle's. Jason Garrick 19:45, 14 December 2007 (EST)
          • I think it may be intentional - Isn't everyone with a (visible) power supposed to manifest it in different ways? Hence West having a different style of flight from Nathan, induced radioactivity appearing differently for Pete/Ted/Sylar/Amid, Angela (assuming she has persuasion) having to touch a person whilst Eden does not etc. - Goldenboy 16:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)
            • Angela what now? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2007 (EST)
            • Angela? Angela Petrelli. - Goldenboy 12:48, 19 December 2007 (EST)
              • Angela has no confirmed power. --Ice Vision (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2007 (EST)
              • The "touch" aspect of it, at least, has been confirmed to be Cristine Rose's doing, and not in the script. As for "persuasion"--well, people actually did what Eden told them. People have a pretty spotty record of doing what Angela tells them. She's manipulative, but doesn't seem to be superhumanly so.--Hardvice (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2007 (EST)
• There are different types of lightning in the real world, too: ball lightning, sheet lightning, ribbon lightning... There's no 'right or wrong' way to portray a lightning bolt, as long as it gets the job done. Regardless of how the lightning bolt forms, it's still a conducting of electrons along an ion path. Why do we have to assume that this power always forms the path in the same way? That doesn't even happen in nature. --Yamawhata? 17:10, 4 February 2008 (EST)
• Considering the list of the ways Peter controls his lightning, is it fair to say that he lacks the fine control Elle has? Certainly, she has more control, but it seems he has the ability under pretty good wraps himself. Stevehim 12:50, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • "Peter lacks the fine control Elle has" is speculative. "Peter has not demonstrated the fine control Elle has" is not. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Well, I'm not sure it's true, considering he's shown almost every form of control. But since it currently reads 'lacks,' which is speculative, I'll change just that. Stevehim 18:02, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

name change

sorry but i disagree lightning is a good name for this power electric generation or electricity generation definately sounds better, besides for many people they might get confused by the power lightning , which may diffirent interpretations , i saw her power the name definately should be called electric generation or electricity generation--Zoga78 19:25, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

• no --Piemanmoo 05:48, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
• Peter calls it lightning in the show so that's the name that is used.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
  • But when Peter calls it lightning in the future, we call it Electromagnetism? -Lөvөl 03:03, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
    • Well, yes, but for reason similar to the "telescopic vision" debate. The agent can hover and produce lightning; Peter's only referring to the latter aspect. "Lightning" describes an aspect, but not all, of his power, the same way "telescopic vision" describes an aspect, but not all, of Donna's power, or "teleportation" describes an aspect, but not all, of Hiro's power, or "wipe" describes an aspect, but not all, of the Haitian's power. A canon name for a part of a power is not a canon name for the whole power.--Hardvice (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
      • Ball lightning hovers, electricity can levitate in other ways. These are property of electricity and can be covered by "lightning" as much as some of the things Elle does. More discussion here: Talk:Electromagnetism. -Lөvөl 14:08, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
• The name of "lightning" has been explicitly used to refer to this ability numerous times, most notably in Petrified Lightning and Four Months Ago. When the writers make up a name for an ability we can't just call it something else. We can't say Peter Petrelli's name is John Jacobs if we don't like the name Peter Petrelli. The writers are the authority. (Admin 10:12, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
• Of course, when we don't like the name we can call it what we want. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 10:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
  • Untrue and the discussion there explains the current decision on a name quite well. (Admin 10:34, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
  • But in essence you've hypocrited yourself by saying that if the writers give us a name we have to use it. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 10:45, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
    • I believe the determination would be that they did not actually give us a name for it yet, but rather used a single term in the story which provides a contradictory description of what her power would be. Now, if it shows up in another graphic novel or the writer explicitly says it's the name of the power in an interview, then it would definitely be changed. Until then the contradiction precludes its usage. With Lightning, we have multiple sources AND the name doesn't contradict the demonstrations of the ability we've seen thus far, so while very few of us think it's the best name for the ability, it's the term they've used consistently so there's not much room for interpreting the intentions of the writers when the term was used. (Admin 10:54, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
      • I agree with Zoga. The release of the Company's AT map describes Elle's ability as "the ability to genereate electricity" not lightning. Also, lightning implies a weather based electrical shock looking at the uses of the power I think the writers just find it a cool and easy way of describing the ability. I'd go with Electricity Generation that seems to be the most direct and canon term.
        • Actually, the term used in the episodes (more than once) is lightning. Episodes are canon sources, and trump near-canon sources like the Assignment Tracker map. Good suggestions, but we'll stick with lightning unless something else is said in a canon source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:03, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Is these the ability of future Ando?

I don't think that lightning is the ability of Ando. First, the ability of ando is red, and it isn't like Elle's sparks. what do you think?

• Flint has a different color of pyrokinesis, so it's not that far-fetched. As for the way it sparked, it could be just a different evolution of lightning. --NellaBishop 15:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • It's common knowledge that fire can change colors based on heat or chemicals. But as far as I know, there's nothing that can turn lightning red so I don't think we can be sure that Ando's ability is the same as Elle's. It seems too speculative to me. --Watchmaker 21:55, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • You're forgetting that sometimes Heroes does things to look cool, rather than make sense. (Remember the voice effects in season one?) I think that Future Ando definitely has a form of lightning.
      • It hasn't been confirmed that Ando's ability is the same as Elle's (or perhaps that future agent's or that teenage patient's). Until we learn more about the ability, let's not add it to this page. I don't think there's anything wrong with making a page for Ando's ability, though. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
        • Honestly, I'm good with calling it Lightning until we have evidence that it's something else. Apart from the color, it looks like lightning, and I don't think a simple color difference is enought to warrant a new power page. --Ted C 17:45, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
          • I think its just a different colored lighting too, but lightning none the less (is there an special page for Flints power vs. Merediths power)....if you look at the image close up you can see bolt shapes around his hands...maybe we should take a poll?--Anthony Gooch 21:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
            • There's no Flint vs. Meredith debate because both of their abilities have been officially called pyrokinesis--Aburu 22:31, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
            • plus if we are wrong, then we could simply change it, but i doubt that the writers are going back into the future just to explain Ando's power for viewers

I understand that Lightning is canon...

But "Lightning" is far too general. Lightning...what? Manipulation? Generation? Absorption? I think we should change the name to "Lightning Generation", since it accurately describes the power, follows the canon description, and is far more specific than just "Lightning". What do you guys think? ~~ Darmenos 21:25, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

• I know what you mean, but the reasons for it just outweigh fan ideas. I mean, if we could change Puppet master I'm sure we would in a heartbeat. --Aburu 22:28, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
• Yes, but that's explicitly named canon, so we're stuck with it. "Lightning" was a canon description, iirc. I just don't think it fully describes or defines the ability. ~~ Darmenos 10:23, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Electric manipulation

According to the diagram found on Elle's assignment tracker profile, her ability's name is "electric manipulation". Even though they've referred to the power several times as "lightning" in canon and near-canon sources, I think the assignment tracker profile is more explicit. I'm all for the rename from "lightning" to "electric manipulation". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2008 (EST)

• Me too. God we're gonna replace so many links... Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:30, 26 November 2008 (EST)
  • Links wouldn't need to be replaced since both names have been used. Lightning would still be a valid name for the ability, much like super strength and enhanced strength have both been used to describe the same power. Only explicit links (like on Portal:Abilities, List of abilities, or in Elle's infobox) would have to be updated. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)
  • Why would we take a lower canon source over a higher one? Isn't that a dangerous precedent to set? --Stevehim 13:34, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    • I only remembered the term lightning being used in Petrified Lightning, when was it used in Four Months Ago? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:36, 26 November 2008 (EST)
      • See the transcript--Peter says, "Maybe there's more to you than the whole sadistic lightning thing". Full disclosure: In Fight or Flight, Caitlin says, "How do you shoot lightning from your hands?" In Kindred, Peter tries to activate the power by saying "Lightning" repeatedly and Caitlin says, "It's a shame you can't order lightning up like a plate of chips." The question is, are these descriptions or the name of the power? Either way, do we use "lightning" (from a canon source, but not necessarily explicit, and not from people who understand the powers) or do we use "electric manipulation" (explicitly and authoritatively named by the Company, but not from a near canon source)? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)
      • It's been used on the show a few times. That's really the debate...Do we use a canon name that's been applied to the ability, or do we use a near-canon source that is more explicit? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:38, 26 November 2008 (EST)
        • I would be happy to see it renamed that way, AND even more happy to see this power's cousins (electrical absorption, and electromagnetism) all three merged into the new name Electrical Manipulation; for that is what they all do, just in different ways of manipulating electricity. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/26/2008 13:42 (EST)
  • I would rather keep the show name than switch to a near-canon source. The show did refer to the ability as "lightning". I don't see the assignment tracker as being more explicit in this case.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• I agree with Miamivolts. On the one hand, the assignment trackers are valuable sources for things we won't see in the show. On the other, they're not exactly they may not be entirely kept up to date, so I'm not sure how much we can trust them (eg - I doubt Parkman's control index is still at 25%, and I don't think it updates when people are deceased). I can't get into Elle's A.T. to see what it says, but electrical manipulation implies far more (to me) than simply firing lightning (or electricity) out of one's hands. All we've seen Elle do is shoot things with bolts of electricity...we haven't seen her manuipulate electrical signals, turn machines that require electricity on or off, etc. And what are the criteria for specific naming as opposed to 'applying' (ie - why wouldn't her ability being referred to as lightning not qualify as an explicit naming)? I think we should stick to the naming conventions and say that canon trumps all, though I'm certainly ready to be swayed as to why this should not be so.  :) --Stevehim 13:59, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• Now that I think about it, regardless of what we decide, both names should be referenced somewhere on the page, as both are pertinent. I'll throw out the suggestion of using the canon name as the name of the ability, but adding electrical manipulation (or whatever else in other similar cases) in the initial description of the power as an 'also known as.' --Stevehim 14:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• Well, the argument of people who don't exactly know about the ability (Peter, Caitlin) and people who do (AT) does push me towards electric manipulation. About Elle not using her abilities in another way, think about it, all the times we heard someone talking about the trials Bob did on her, there was always a mention to "see how much" she could put out, this leads me to believe that due to those, Elle just worked on the offensive aspect of her ability, if she was as unstable as she told Peter in Four Months Ago, building up non offensive use of her ability doesn't sound like something she'd do. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:27, 26 November 2008 (EST)
  • I am thinking Electrokinesis, it is a eaiser way to say Electic Manipulation. Raiku 16:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    • Oh God, not the -kinesis powers... *shudders* Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• I think it should be changed to Electric Manipulation, because we changed super strength based on Knox's profile name. User:Samstorey 22:51, 26 November 2008
  • Knox's assignment tracker was shown in the show, and so is actually canon, whereas those that are posted on the Internet are only near-canon. --Stevehim 22:26, 26 November 2008 (EST)
    • It wasn't fair that we changed Super Strength, when that has been named multiple times on the show, so I vote for Electric Manipulation! Peter and Caitlin are not reliable sources for naming abilities or Peter's should be called Ability Absorption. --Powermimic 03:50, 27 November 2008 (EST)
• Electric manipulation FTW! (NOT ELECTROKINESIS!) Psilaq Remake 19:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• Aww, I've kinda grown fond of lightning. It was nice to be different amongst all the other Heroes fans that used "electrokinesis" or something like that. But I wouldn't mind the rename. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• I am desperate for a rename with this. The AT, even though it is a lower canon source, is still largely canon, i.e. the show's creators wanted us to see it and use their ability names. Why would they put 'Electric Manipulation' on an assignment tracker if they still wanted us using 'lightning?' It seems reduntant. -- FlamingTomDude 20:15, 26 November 2008 (EST)
• Here are some reason why we should change it:

Gravitational manipulation, named "create vortexes" on the show - but we changed it.

Puppet master, never named only described on the show - yet we can't add a 'y' to the end of it.

Enhanced Strength, super strength has been said many times - but we changed it.

Power absorption, he steals powers - but we called it what the assignment map wrote.

If we're going to follow the assignment tracker for those, we should change it. --Powermimic 04:15, 27 November 2008 (EST)

• It depends on whether you consider 'lightning' a description or a name.

1. 'Creating vortexes' seems more of a description than a name (at least to me).
2. No name was given on the show for Eric's ability, so we go with the next best source that does name it, namely the A.T.
3. Enhanced strength was used on the show as well, namely on Knox's assignment tracker. As long as he and Niki are grouped as having the same ability, we can apply it to her too. In this case, we have a conflict of equal canon sources (the show), and so have to determine which is more valid. It's Micah vs the Company, so we go with the Company, since they likely know more about the ability.
4. We were never told what Arthur's ability was called on the show, so we have no canon name for it. --Stevehim 10:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)

• People aren't posting. Time to vote, then? Psilaq Remake 12:55, 29 November 2008 (EST)
• To add a minor point on the accuracy/totality of the assignment trackers information...while the diagram does say 'electric manipulation,' it also specifically points to the subject's hands, and no other part of the body. This is not accurate to how we've seen Elle manifest her power (I haven't gone through all of the others for comparison, but did look at 6 or 7, and several designate multiple body point power sources). Further evidence that the assignment trackers contain incomplete information is the fact that they only list one other person in the 'Known Persons Exhibiting Similar Abilities' sections, even when they have information that more exist (eg - Peter and Sylar should appear on several different trackers). --Stevehim 06:46, 30 November 2008 (EST)
• Wait, isnt electric manipulation controlling/manipluating all aspects of electricity? Like the light in your lamp, and she did that, remember when Elle first showed up at Claire's house in season 3, she controlled the lamps and electricity. The plane doesnt count though because she just sent electricity into it, but I put my vote for Electrical Manipluation. Electrokinesis just doesnt sound right. I think we should hold off with Electrokinesis until we see her/someone move electricty in more ways than just a stright line, because Meredith has moved it in a side motion when she sent it toward Danny Pine, but Elle has just sent it forward, she should be able to move it around corners or something like that,--Sylarversion2 22:02, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Suggested rename.

Only making a new section for this because it's important. It's a waste to change the page until the Assignment Tracker is released. The diagram has not always used the actual name (See Stephen Canfield's for an example. His ability is Gravitational Manipulation, whereas his diagram says Gravitational Field Manipulation, amongst others.)--Riddler 23:36, 26 November 2008 (EST)

The name debate will probably be lost and forgotten during the Thanksgiving frenzy, so I have no problem with this. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:42, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I also wanted to state that we should not be moving down levels of canon without very good reason. The requirements stated in the note at the top of the page have not been met by the A.T., and won't be when it comes out, unless it's presented in an episode. --Stevehim 11:11, 27 November 2008 (EST)

• I would suggest people read a discussion myself and Ryan had about this. In it, both of us flesh out why the assignment trackers should be valued over canon sources. Mainly, the Company and Mohinder scientifically name abilities, whereas someone like Peter naming an ability may not be the most expert opinion. I'd prefer going with canon sources, but since the name is derived by Peter, whereas the AT name is from the Company, I'd go with the AT name. --Bob (talk) 19:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)
  • ... especially because Peter called it "lightning" when he first had it and didn't understand it. In fact, he only referred to it as "lightning" when he was specifically talking about his frustrations in understanding and using it. I think it's been a great name up to now, but when we're given something as specific as "electric manipulation" from an expert in the field (like the Company), we should respect that. In the end, I don't care too much and I won't have too much to say on the matter, but I think it's a bigger issue we need to address--that explicit names in near-canon sources should take precedence over descriptions given in canon sources. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2008 (EST)
    • Regarding a new name for 'lightning', I see this as a different situation than what Ryan just claimed. Lightning exists as an ongoing phenomenon in nature, and it has been used as an explicit term in the show for the ability's name on more than one occasion. Thus, I don't see it as an explicit vs. descriptive name case, and think this is a case of explicit vs. explicit name so I support continuing to use 'lightning' for this ability's name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:46, 28 November 2008 (EST)
    • Regarding Bob's comment, he left out that I also participated in that discussion and strongly opposed overruling sources of higher canonicity. Please continue reading into the next section where I clarified Ryan's and Bob's position and then gave my reasons against it. Thanks.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:46, 28 November 2008 (EST)
      • Agreed. With regards to lightning specifically, it was actually referenced in that discussion, and was agreed upon by all parties involved to that point that Peter was naming it, not describing it, which is why it trumped the assignment tracker map to begin with, so I'm not sure why a specific assignment tracker would change things (side note: are individual assignment trackers more canonical than the assignment tracker map?). With regards to the overall discussion of canonicity, my opinion is here.  :) --Stevehim 01:42, 28 November 2008 (EST)
        • Regarding the side note question: As it stands now, the AT and the AT map are both part of Heroes Evolutions, so are both considered near-canon.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Rename Consensus

We should probably wait for a consensus until, you know, the assignment tracker page is actually released. Discussion is one thing, a consensus check is another. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)

• Sorry, I've never been the one to start consensus checks before, so I really wasn't sure if this was the appropriate time or not. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:13, 29 November 2008 (EST)
  • I added a new voting section that should rectify the gun-jumping a little bit... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:15, 29 November 2008 (EST)
  • No worries. I kinda did the same thing. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Lightning (keep the name as it is)

1. --Riddler 16:00, 29 November 2008 (EST) - Wait until Elle's tracker is released, or else we'll have to change everything again. See my above post.
2. I'm not convinced that the name given in the show is a description and not an actual name, and the only reason (imo) we should ever move down a level of canon should be based on absolutely definitive information. I'll still be glad to listen to reasoning otherwise (or examples of when we've done that before), but for now I say we stick with what we have from the show itself. --Stevehim 18:54, 29 November 2008 (EST)
3. Agree with Stevehim's reasons as I previously explained. I also think this consensus check is premature and ill-advised as others have stated/implied.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:25, 30 November 2008 (EST)
4. The assignment trackers screw things up a lot, and normally there's nothing we can do since they're the highest level of canonicity. However, in this case, the phrases from the show trump it: Lightning Lightning Lightning. Elle doesn't manipulate electricity. She projects lightning from her hands. That's all she can do. She can't even do lightning kicks, or lightning head-butts (though she can do a lightning kiss). I think Lightning is the perfect phrase. If it were up to me, I'd name Pyrokinesis 'Flamethrowing' for the same reason. Radicell 05:22, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Electric manipulation (change the name now)

1. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:03, 29 November 2008 (EST) Whether or not it's changed now or changed when the profile is actually released (I'm fine either way), it should be changed.

   When I say wait, I say that because we don't know if "Electric manipulation" will be the name. It will just be a waste of time and effort.--Riddler 16:04, 29 November 2008 (EST)

   Well, they've released that power diagram already. I don't really see any reason why they should change it if they already have that. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)

   Gravitational field manipulation (this is my main point), Corrosive fluid generation, Cyberpathy/Technokinesis (Also known as), Enhanced visual cortex (Enhanced vision), Acquisition, Regeneration (listed as By product), Adaptive Appearance Manifestation (another good one), Eidetic memory, Extra sensory perception. Some of these aren't the best examples, but you get the idea. Connie and Stephen specifically have different names in the diagram then they do explicitly named.--Riddler 16:19, 29 November 2008 (EST)

   Actually, they haven't released the diagram. That image was obtained as a result of hacking. Plus, there have been times (very few, but they still exist) when the name on the diagram does not match the name on the assignment tracker. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Electric manipulation (or otherwise) (change the name, regardless of what it is, when the tracker is actually released)

1. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:13, 29 November 2008 (EST) - RGS and Riddler bring up good points; we should wait until the tracker is released. But I do think that whatever name is listed on the tracker should be the new name of lightning once the time comes.
2. Psilaq Remake 16:16, 29 November 2008 (EST) I agree.
3. Totally agree. Explicit names in near canon sources should take precedence over descriptive names in canon sources. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2008 (EST)
4. --Riddler 16:20, 29 November 2008 (EST) Though, not to sound offensive, this consensus is useless right now.
5. Lightning generation seems like a good name because just saying i have the power of lightning doesnt entirely seem correct. Isnt the laser man in doyles graphic novel name laser generation? Why couldnt this be lightning generation345tom 17:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)

   I fail to see how that's relevant... that's not what we're discussing here. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:11, 29 November 2008 (EST)

6. Assignment Tracker made our jobs easier, let's seize what it can give us. --Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:31, 29 November 2008 (EST)
7. The AT trumps all, in my opinion. It should get a special 0th status on the naming conventions above everything else.--Piemanmoo 22:47, 29 November 2008 (EST)
8. FlamingTomDude -- I'm up for waiting until the AT is released. At least then we can be 100% sure about it.