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black man

IceGhost78 we need more black people on the show

Yeah, Arthur Petrelli killed them all, pretty much. Or so I've heard.--ERROR 13:25, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Disappearing Act

Maybe I missed a BTE, but I'm confused. The Haitian was an integral part of the first three volumes. Then he drops off the edge of the script in Volume 4. What happened? --Uncanny474 19:20, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No idea, but I know that there is an interview with the actor somewhere where this is explained. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It can be found here. The Haitian didn't really fit in with the storyline of Volume 4, I guess. I agree with you, he's one of my favorite characters and I certainly hope he returns for Season 4. --Radicell 05:21, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Or he erased most of the people's their memories :o, they don't known, he plays in heroes :o WaterRatj 20:06, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

His Name

What do you think the Haitian's name is?--ERROR 13:25, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

  • L Lawliet. Or Nate River. ;) -- Altes 04:22, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Back in season 4

his name is in the synopsis as a guest star for the first episode of season 4. as some would say: "YATTA" --mc_hammark 14:20, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

  • Awesome. I thought he was dead. We haven't seen him since Dual. --Isaac Mendez 18:32, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

The Haitian's name?

Please don't post spoilers out of spoiler pages. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:15, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Victims

Should we not have an article that lists the haitian's victims? There are quite a number of them. --mc_hammark 09:19, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Name

After four seasons of waiting, René. Move or keep the same? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:51, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I'm actually going to miss the secrecy of his name. I thought having a character being called by his nationality was pretty cool.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:56, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Is that his actual name? I assumed it was a fake name claire used.
    • Like The German, The Croatian, and The Russian? There are still a few yet, though they are mostly dead or unmentioned. --Isaac Mendez 14:58, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Change name back to hatian

He is most commonly known as the hatian and not rene. Otherwise we should rename sylar as gabriel.Gamerelite1 22:04, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I was thinking the same thing, actually. (Admin 22:06, 9 November 2009 (EST))
    • I like that idea.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:06, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • I'm actually on the René / Gabriel Gray boat with redirects from Sylar and the Haitian. I might be alone, though. NileQT87 22:11, 9 November 2009 (EST)
        • Well, while it's a little different, we changed HRG to Noah immediately. The difference with Sylar is that it's a name he actually goes by, what he believes is his identity (well, before the mindwipe), and what people refer to him as. If The Haitian has a name, the page should be named for him. I am disappointed with his name reveal though.--Riddler 22:12, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • But noah is consistently refered to as Noah, not HRG. The same with the hatian. He is always called the hatian, not rene. Are we even sure that his name is rene, or was it a lie by claire? Given that it's speculative at best that his real name is rene, and that he has only been called rene once, I think it's best to keep him as the hatian.Gamerelite1 22:18, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • Didn't realize there was a topic here, well I think we should keep his name in some form, but make a note that it could just be a (Claire Given) name (Meaning not his real name). Like I said on the episode talk, it would've been awkward if Claire introduced him as "The Haitian."--Dman dustin 22:16, 9 November 2009 (EST)
            • So she goes up to Gretchen and gives him a name out of the blue. Or Clair just decides, "Hey, you like like a René". I think it's his real name, but still don't like the fact it was revealed.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:19, 9 November 2009 (EST)
  • Well, for starters, before they even went to Gretchen, Claire says "Let's go, Rene". And Gamer, I said it was different, and you're right, now he is referred to as Noah instead of HRG, but for a while he wasn't. We changed his name the second we learned his real name, as we should here.--Riddler 22:21, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Disagree. He has been reffered to as the hatian for over 3 seasons. Noah was referred to as hrg by people who had no idea who he was. It was not in any way an alias for him. Whereas the haitian is quite familiar with his title as the haitian and never requested to be called rene. Until he is consistently referred to as such, he should stay as the haitian to avoid confusion.Gamerelite1 22:27, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • I agree, you either call both The Haitian and Sylar Rene and Gabriel or you keep it how it is if you're going to be consistent. Both are aliases that the characters are referred to and answer by. Changing one but not the other is just silly. -Barbedknives (talk)22:34, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • The Haitian is a title, not a name, If he has a name it should be changed. (Still not sure if Rene is his real name. After all when would've it come up), The Haitian: Oh by the way my real name is Rene. --Dman dustin 22:30, 9 November 2009 (EST)
        • Hold it, was Rene the name on the boarding pass for The Haitian when he tried to take Claire to France in the first season (or at least what he asked to be called). Because if that's the case then that's why Claire said "Rene" it just wasn't out of the blue it was a reference to Season 1. But then again I haven't seen Season 1 so my memory may be faulty. --Dman dustin 22:33, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • LOL, how epic would it be if we knew his name this whole friggen time... As for the name change, The Haitian is what he is most known as, so it should be switched back to it. But, if he keeps getting called Rene, then it should be changed.--Ratclaws 22:53, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • I haven't seen Season one "in a long time" I can't believe I forgot to add that. --Dman dustin 23:04, 9 November 2009 (EST)
  • The difference between Sylar and the Haitian is that Sylar is a name, an alias. The Haitian is not a name or an alias--it's a description. According to our naming conventions, we use names over descriptions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Also from the naming conventions: "When a character has assumed a name other than their actual given name, the name most commonly used for the character should be used."--PrometheusMMIV 01:15, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • They always call him "The Haitian" so it's actually more like a name rather than a description. If they didn't call him that and we just called him "the Haitian" because we didn't have a better name then it would be our description. I think it's got a lot more in common with the basis we used for keeping Sylar as the name of the article. (Admin 00:20, 10 November 2009 (EST))
      • That's understandable. I'm not digging the argument that we shouldn't change the page's name because Rene might not be his name. That's baloney and a weak, speculative argument. But if the idea is that "The Haitian" is his name, then I suppose it should be changed. I just can't buy that "The Haitian" is more than a descriptive term people have used for so long that it now feels like a name, though it remains a descriptive term. Regardless, it's not something I care too much about, so I don't mind if it gets changed. I just wanted to make sure I state my opinion. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Hayden Panettiere called Jimmy Jean-Louis' character "René the Haitian", didn't she? She never said it was a made-up name by Claire. I think it's real. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • I vote for renaming back. Because there's Candice, whose formal name is Betty, and Sarah Ellis aka Eden McCain. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • For reasons already stated, I support moving this back to "The Haitian". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:51, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • Keep it René, i think it fits his funny character xD -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 18:01, 10 November 2009 (EST)

His name. Too tired to go into the other discussions for this and sort everything out.

I honestly think Claire just called him that so she wouldn't have to tell Gretchen "this is my friend The Haitain. No I don't know his real name no one does." Gretchen was pretty freaked. Doubt she'd want someone who she didn't even know the name of to protect her. Plus, how did Claire know his name if this is it??? The last time Noah mentioned him he called him The Haitian and I doubt she'd know his real name while Noah didn't.--WarGrowlmon18 23:35, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I don't think his name should be changed from "The Haitian" to René in every instance of his name. If he is refered to specifically as The Haitian, that should be on his page. It becomes misleading and as if everyone called him René in every episode prior to Shadowboxing, which is certainly not true. --Skullman1392 00:04, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • To sort out my thoughts a little better: the times he is refered to by another character as "The Haitian", it should say "The Haitian" on his page. If talking about him himself, he should be called "René" on his page. For example, the GNs about The Hatian when he was younger should refer to him as "René". Another example: when Noah realizes Gretchen knows about Claire's ability, it should say on this page "Noah says that he will call The Haitian and have her forget". See the difference? --Skullman1392 00:11, 10 November 2009 (EST)
  • FOR THOSE WHO APPARENTLY WERE'NT WATCHING THE EPISODE: CLAIRE CALLED HIM RENE LONG BEFORE THEY GOT IN THE ROOM WITH GRETCHEN. THERE WAS A BIG REVEAL AND YOU MANAGED TO MISS IT EVEN THOUGH JIMMY SMILED AND WALKED PAST THE CAMERA WHEN SHE SAID IT! :) At any rate, "The Haitian" IS an alias, and one that characters who seemingly know his actual name elect to refer to him as. This is his most common name. Change back. --Action Figure 13:00, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • Dude we watched it but she may have just said that sarcasticaly as she used that name in front of Gretchen so she wouldn't have to explain why she doesn't know his real name to her. I think we should wait for more than one episode confirmation of this.--WarGrowlmon18 13:29, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • You dont get it. She said it BEFORE they saw Gretchen. It was also in a spoiler WAAAAAY before this that they would be revealing it and it would be Rene. I've known for months. Its speculative to say it might NOT be his name. They gave no reason to think it wasnt. --Action Figure 14:46, 10 November 2009 (EST)
        • Yeah, JJ-Louis said that his name would be stated in the first half of the season. There's going to be 20 (remove if counts as spoiler) episodes max this season, so if there is no other name for it by next monday, then his name is René. But I do think the page should be named The Haitian, by the name he is most commonly called. --mc_hammark 14:50, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • I think it's cool we finally got to learn the Haitian's name. Claire clearly used it outside Gretchen's presence, so I'm pretty sure it is his name. As to what name we use for this article, I agree with Admin--for now, the article title should be changed back to "The Haitian". As, for most of the past episodes, he's been referred to as "The Haitian" and people in the story who knew him called him that. However, if the pattern continues, and everyone continues to now call him René in the next episode, then I think we should then change it back to René. HRG's case was different cause HRG wasn't what people who knew him referred to him as.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Too casual?

"Come on René". Is anyone else disappointed on how his name was finally introduced? I mean, there's nothing particularly wrong with their delivery but I'm just a little underwhelmed. No dramatic pauses, no build up, it wasn't even the focus of the scene. We've been waiting for his name for three seasons now and this is the best someone could come up with?--PJDEP 15:24, 10 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree. I was hoping that it would be better than this. :/ also, when the spoiler came out that this might be his name, I didn't like it. I don't think it fits him. But I agree with people above. He is most often called "The Haitian" and think of Niki. Her real name is Nicole. Same with Eden McCain/Sarah Ellis. It goes by the most common name. Please change it back! ~~IHHTalk 17:19, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • What name were you hoping for? What would have been better? The point of the scene seemed to be that it didnt really matter what his real name was. It isnt THAT big a deal. Funny that the characters know that but the people in real life dont... :) --Action Figure 17:53, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't agree he's from the french spoken area in Haiti, so René is actually a reasonable name just like Claude or Henry, you name it :) -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 17:57, 10 November 2009 (EST)

To be completely honest, I thought Claire was making some sort of racial slur at first. This might just be my imagination but her tone seemed like one you would use with a dog. It took me a few seconds to realize that it didn't make any sense as an insult and that NBC never would have aired that anyway.--PJDEP 19:47, 10 November 2009 (EST)

  • Sylar's page isn't Gabriel Gray, it's Sylar. Everyone knows him as Sylar. Likewise, everyone knows "René" as The Haitian. Please change it back to something people will search for, and something where there won't be five thousand redirects that my OCD will force me to fix.--Uncanny474 23:09, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • "Sylar" is an alias. "The Haitian" is a descriptive term. If you search for The Haitian, this page will automatically appear. There aren't five thousand redirects--there are two legitimate redirects, and two obsolete redirects. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:53, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • No, The Haitian is what he goes by most. How Claire got his name is beyond us, because everyone knew him as the Haitian. That is what they call him. Even in front of him, I do believe! No one would search for "Rene". Mainly because they don't know Rene. ~~IHHTalk 07:10, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • When did he ever go by "The Haitian"? That's just what people called him (as a description). I can't think of any time that it was ever used as his name or as an alias. Just a description... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • Right. It IS a description, but it is also certainly an alias. They refer to him like that as a name. That is clear. The page should be changed back to The Haitian until they call him Rene every time. The fact that it is also a description is coincidence. Its no different than if Gabriel Gray had looked down at his watch and it said "White Guy". It would still have been his alias. In fact, specials who work for or are involved with the company seem to often go by aliases. Claude, Eden, The German (also a descriptor), The Constrictor (also a description, and the name of his particular type of power), Candice, Knox, and so on. Many different types of alias... all of them still aliases and their most common name. --Action Figure 10:57, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • I agree, I was completely bewildered when Claire revealed his name in that sort of nonchalant manner. She simply stated it as if we had known it all along. What I would've liked was some sort of encounter between the Haitian and someone who knew him from the past, with that someone saying something like "Why hello, René." That would've been much more satisfying. --Radicell 08:44, 11 November 2009 (EST)
          • Here's what I hoped for: Claire brings The Haitian to Grectchen to protect her, introducing him as the Haitian. She asks what kind of name is that, and asks him his real name. He answers, and tells a shocked Claire that everybody only needed to ask, and that is was very rude that they didn't.--Ratclaws 12:49, 11 November 2009 (EST)
            • HA!. That would have been good.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)
            • That would have been so perfect, definitely better than the way they really did it. --Boycool42 16:59, 21 January 2010
              • That would have been Scrubs! --Rotinaj42 16:48, 24 November 2009 (EST)
            • That would've been most excellent. Of course, what I had hoped for was a more suitably epic time for his name to come out, with a more suitably allegorical name. Like the way we found out Noah Bennett's first name a few episodes after we saw him running a Noah's Ark for superpowered individuals. It would have been completely appropriate, for instance, if it had turned out that his name was "Jean" (John). And of course if his name had been "Pierre," well... --Cosmic AC 20:45, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Consensus

I know this isn't for a real vote or anything, but just out of curiosity what do you guys want to see?--Piemanmoo 14:13, 11 November 2009 (EST)

The Haitian

  1. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:16, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  2. --mc_hammark 14:16, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  3. -- While a descriptive name, it was used so much to the point it became an alias, he's more commonly known as The Haitian. Only when people in general start calling him René, then I think we should move it to René. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:59, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't want this to sound like a "challenge" or anything, because I honestly don't mean it to sound rude...but at what point would it be considered that René is his name? I mean when would it be considered that people started calling him René "in general"? After a certain amount of episodes? After a certain amount of times his name is said? After a certain number of characters say his name? Just curious...not trying to start an argument or anything. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:25, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • I would say after either a certain number of episodes he's mentioned as René or after a reasonable number of people call him René, whichever comes first. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:21, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • What numbers would those be? I guess what I'm wondering is when is the cutoff? For me, it's just once. If we know his name, that's all we need to move from a descriptive name to his actual name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2009 (EST)
          • Well he's only been called rene twice by one person. Why should we use a name he's hardly ever called over his well known alias. If we name him rene, then we have to rename sylar as gabriel gray. In fact I'd support that over this name change. I hate to sound whiny, but it honestly makes no sense to use rene over the hatian.Gamerelite1 20:10, 15 November 2009 (EST)
            • That still doesn't answer the question of how many times he would have to be called "René" for somebody to accept that that's his name. Incidentally, "Sylar" is an alias; "The Haitian" is a description. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2009 (EST)
              • The point that needs to come across is that while "The Haitian" is a descriptive term, it has been used to such an extent that it became his alias. And about those numbers, it believe they can be properly discussed afterwards, if this is moved back to The Haitian, no need to have two discussions, one which perhaps unnecessary if we do end up keeping the article as René, though I've given a piece of my mind on which numbers we should use. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:31, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                • "The Haitian" is only known as an alias among the fans, not among the characters on Heroes. In the Heroes world, he is either known as René, or the descriptive term "The Haitian" is used. I've never heard it used as an alias, except by fans. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2009 (EST)
  4. -- By Danko CH 15:03, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  5. --Gibbeynator 16:00, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • I will believe that Rene is his name when he himself says that is his name. An offhand comment by Claire based on what she possibly read in a potentially fake passport doesn't do it for me.--Gibbeynator 07:15, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • The fact that Claire's first mention of the name was offhand only supports the fact that that's his name--she used it casually, as though she has known it for some time. But she later used the name very formally, introducing him to her friend. However, the question is not whether his name is actually René or not--that's been established by its use. The question here is whether we should call the page "The Haitian" or "René". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  6. --~~IHHTalk 16:17, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  7. --Skullman1392 16:32, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  8. ----Yoshi n1 17:29, 11 November 2009 (EST) It just came out of no where, the name René. If his name would reveal it would be a little bit more classy. but Jimmy did stated that his name would reveal this season. and its just like Sylar, his real name is Gabriel Gray but everyone knows him as Sylar.
    • Are you saying that if his name were revealed in a less casual way, it would make a difference as to what this page was called? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  9. --Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 17:31, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  10. --Boom D  12  17:36, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  11. --Whizzles 18:59, 11 November 2009 (EST) Same reason as the Sylar/Gabriel Gray scenario. If they start referring to him all the time as René, then maybe I'll change my mind. But for now I say we keep it as The Haitian.
    • Can you define "all the time" please? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • What I meant by "all the time" was if, say, the name "The Haitian" more or less drops from common use and he is almost always referred to as "René" instead. Like, a similar ratio to the usage of "Sylar" and "Gabriel Gray" -- sure, his name is Gabriel Gray, but almost everyone calls him Sylar almost all the time, you know? --Whizzles 22:26, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • I think if people that know him such as Noah, Angela, Claire and any others call him René multiple times (in the way stated above) but why would Noah still call him The Haitian if he knew his name? Even Angela called him The Haitian. To me this suggests that Claire is the only one that knows his name. He is most commonly known as The Haitian. --mc_hammark 06:41, 14 November 2009 (EST)
  12. --Barbedknives (talk) | 19:03, 11 November 2009 (EST) In the Naming Convention page under Special Considerations it lists the following criteria for nicknames: "Nicknames and full names: Characters should be listed by the name they use regularly. Formal names can be noted in the infobox." The Haitian has been referred to as such by every single character in all four seasons except on one or two occasions in one episode.
    • Has René ever called himself "The Haitian"? If he has, then I would support calling this page by the nickname that the character uses, as is stated in the naming convention. However, if the term has solely been used by other people (as a descriptive term), then I don't think that the "special considerations" section of the naming conventions would apply here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  13. -- Rename him back, he's a lot like Eden, Candice and Sylar. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  14. -- He has been refered to as 'The Haitian' by people like HRG and Angela, who have known him for years, which is tantamount to his consent to the name. Rename back. --- (EvilMaldini) 21:18, 15 November 2009 (GMT)
  15. -- Obviously we should change him back. Why one earth would we use a name we've heard twice over a name used every single time previously. We didn't change his name to "euro dude" when he was called that.
    • How is that obvious? The only thing that is obvious is that there is a lot of debate about the issue on both sides. But to answer your question, the reason we would use a name we've heard twice is because it's his name. "The Haitian" is not his name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2009 (EST)
      • How about if we renamed him back to the Haitian just now, and then, if a couple of people who have worked with him or know him call him René, we can name him that. Just as he has never called himself the Haitian, he has never called himself René. --mc_hammark 03:42, 16 November 2009 (EST)
        • OK, so now Peter has also referred to him as Rene. Looks like the writers have made their choice. (Evil Maldini)--- November 17th, 2009, 02:45 (GMT)
          • But nathan almost immediately afterward called him the hatian.Gamerelite1 21:08, 22 November 2009 (EST)
            • Actually, it was Sylar, not Nathan. There's no evidence that Sylar would know his name. But beyond the murky world of "Is it Sylar? Is it Nathan?", the character is acceptably called both "The Haitian" and "René". That's established. However, one is a name, an one is a descriptive term. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2009 (EST)
  16. --Jmfdr91 00:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)
  • The name Rene dropped on us out of the blue. Everyone now calls him the Haitian. Did I somehow fall through a time warp? Was there a two-week arc or a graphic novel where his name was revealed (that I missed somehow)?--D and d 123 22:11, 4 December 2009 (EST)

René

  1. -- If I was simply known as "The American" for awhile and my name was revealed, I'd much rather be called by my real name rather than the descriptive title indicating where I come from. Besides "The Haitian" kind of sounds offensive, I mean it works when you don't know his name. But it would be offensive to keep referring to him as "The Haitian." I just don't see the point on leaving it as "The Haitian." I strongly agree with Ryangibsonstewart in this case. "The Haitian" is as much of placeholder as "Trevor's Ability." What if a certain ability is called "That one dude's ability" and for a few seasons that's what the ability is called on the show. And then in Season 4 it's revealed that his ability is actually "Telekinesis" we wouldn't leave it as "That one dude's ability" would we? And no matter what you argue this is a much different case than Sylar. Sylar refers to himself as Sylar. However "The Haitian" was a name given to Rene because they didn't know his name. Would we be arguing this much if he wasn't referred to "The Haitian" constantly but "The dude from Haiti who can erase people's minds and prevent people from using their power" --Dman dustin 14:21, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Still, if people were referring to you constantly as "The American" because they didn't know your name, and you never corrected them on it or showed any signs of having a problem with it, it is essentially your nickname. It's the same thing with the Haitian.
      • Another problem is, "The Haitian" is too vague, anyone from Haiti who doesn't reveal his/her name could be known as "The Haitian", the difference with other characters, Think of it this way "Sylar, Candice, and Eden are true proper names because their specific. While yes "The Haitian" may specifically refer to "Rene" it's a lot more broad and could easily cover anyone. For example while I may be known as "The American" if Claire, or any characters from America were to go to a different country they could just as easily be referred to as "The American" However Rene is specific enough that it may only refer to a few selected people (should there be multiple characters with the same name) as opposed to a descriptive title which is broad enough to cover anyone from Haiti. Sylar, Candice, and Eden don't have that problem because they only refer to very specific characters, even if there's more than one Sylar/Candice/Eden. --Dman dustin 16:46, 15 November 2009 (EST)
        • If any other Haitian character shows up we can simply list them like Haitian (I) and so on, there are Haitians and there is The Haitian. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:24, 15 November 2009 (EST)
  2. --Ratclaws 17:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  3. --Calling him "The Haitian" is just one step up from calling him "The Black Guy". It's slightly offensive. --PJDEP 17:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Thats nonsense, there was a girl called redheaded girl thats offensive to? and The german..--Yoshi n1 17:39, 11 November 2009 (EST)
      • Sorry, I was joking. However, I still think it should remain René.--PJDEP 20:02, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  4. --René is his name, period. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:07, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Actually, it's also important to note: Sylar calls himself "Sylar". Knox called himself "Knox". The Haitian has never called himself "The Haitian". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:09, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  5. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk)
    • René is his name. "The Haitian" is a description. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  6. -- His name is René. We changed HRG to Noah immediately, as we should here. --Riddler 18:09, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • --And who calls him HRG on the show? No one has. They might've called him "guy in the horn-rimmed glasses", but he was never called "HRG" or "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" ~~IHHTalk 18:13, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • --West called him HRG a few times. Additionally, as I said above, René never once referred to himself as "The Haitian". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:29, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • No but he never objected to it either. We can't assume he didn't like the name just because he never refered to himself by it. It's not like Sylar who has clearly stated his dislike of being referred to as Gabriel Gray. It's purely speculative.--- EvilMaldini--- November 16th, 2009, 11:59AM (GMT)
      • Knox also called him old horn rimmed glasses or something to that extent during the bank hiest episode. --mc_hammark 14:13, 16 November 2009 (EST)
  7. -- Well, since Peter also seems to magically know his name, I guess name in the article should be René. I'm not all happy with how they revealed it though. Did René spend volume 4 going around offscreen telling everyone his real name? -- TITO | 13:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC+1)
    • I'd keep in mind that Claire and Peter (who are the only ones so far to call him Rene; I believe), each shared an occasion with Rene aside from a passing scene together. Claire was taken by Rene after he shot Noah (and was taking her to France), and Peter helped against Rene's brother. Surely the time they spent together would've yielded his real name (offscreen, Heroes doesn't show everything), --Dman dustin 08:02, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  8. I don't think it matters if it's a description or not, since it was the name most people in the story referred to him by. And since he was supposedly mute, no one knew his real name, so he was forced to acknowledge "The Haitian". However, it looks to me like most people in the story that know him are now calling him René. So I think it's really a moot point now and we should keep with René as the name for this article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:23, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  9. It's his real name, and they don't refer him anymore as "The Haitian". -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 06:42, 25 November 2009 (EST)
  10. Everyone is calling him Rene now! --JLYK

So tonights episode definitely only made the situation worse

He was called both rene and the haitian interchangeably. Now It's just confusing on what we should do.Gamerelite1 21:12, 16 November 2009 (EST)

  • Indeed. I also don't like this "we knew his name all along" crap. If this isn't sufficiently explained I will whine for hours.--PJDEP 23:49, 16 November 2009 (EST)
    • Why is this worse? There's the idea that the only person who called him "the Haitian" tonight (Sylar, in Nathan's body) probably never had enough interaction with René to learn his name. But besides that theory, I think it's perfectly logical that some people refer to the character by his name (René), and some by his description (The Haitian). I'm not sure what's "worse" about it. If anything, having other characters call him by his name only solidifies the notion that his name is known to those in the world of Heroes. It was only the audience who never knew his name. Nothing wrong with that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:22, 17 November 2009 (EST)
      • ^alias --Action Figure 07:21, 17 November 2009 (EST)
        • I am unaware of any time that any character has used "The Haitian" as an alias. It's always been used as a descriptive term. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ah, but if they knew his name, why not call him René, why The Haitian. --mc_hammark 14:33, 18 November 2009 (EST)
            • Because the writers were keeping his name a secret. But even from an in-world standpoint, we don't always use a person's name to refer to them. We often use descriptive terms to refer to people. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2009 (EST)
              • But isn't that offensive though? I mean if you know someone's real name and yet you keep calling them by a descriptive term that the person themselves aren't referred by (as in Rene saying "I am The Haitian") isn't that offensive/ or considered an insult. I have a few examples, but I'm not sure I want to put them down, since one is extremely offensive, and one kind of refers to an anime (and probably is irrelevant). --Dman dustin 12:07, 20 November 2009 (EST)
  • What I love is that even though we're arguing about it, the article was just moved like that with no discussison whatsoever, behind everyone's back, and still remains moved to Rene. If we're seriously discussing whether something needs to be moved, it should stay reverted to its last state before a decision is made. Otherwise it's pretty much been decided by whoever made the page move. Consensus what? - Barbedknives (talk)19:49, 22 November 2009 (EST)
    • I moved the page. I didn't do it behind anybody's back, I did it completely out in the open. The move is clearly logged under my name in the page's history. I moved it because according to our naming conventions, we use the name of the character rather than a descriptive name. The discussion on this page in recent days is about whether "René" is really his name, whether "The Haitian" is really an alias he uses, and whether this character fits under a "special circumstance". The page should follow the naming conventions, and only should be moved to something different if it's decided that it actually is a special circumstance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:28, 22 November 2009 (EST)
      • Well I think we've made an effective argument for it to be special circumstance. And the majority of people think the hatian works better. What is stopping us from changing it back?
        • Have we? I've mostly heard people positing that René is not actually his name (I haven't seen any validity to this theory) and that "The Haitian" is his alias (I've never heard it used as an alias). In fact, since Peter called the character by his name, there really hasn't been much discussion about the issue. My guess is that after Shadowboxing, people were upset by 1) the offhand way his name was revealed, and 2) changing an iconic character's name. But now that people are beginning to accept that this is his real name, and seeing that people within the world of Heroes call him by his first name (it's only the fans who use "The Haitian" as an alias), that they are accepting that his name really is René. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree with RGS. After Shadowboxing, I was against the change because he was called by the Haitian more than Rene. (Also a little iggnorancy because he doesn't look like a Rene to me and frankly I didn't like that name) But after watching BK, I liked the little click of hearing his name without disgust. And I think that he won't be referred to as The Haitian anymore and I am more easy going about him being Rene. ~~IHHTalk 16:37, 23 November 2009 (EST)

It's just a name

As my freind Solid Snake says "A name means nothing on the battlefield." --Manwithnoname 06:24, 20 November 2009 (EST)

  • Likewise, my friend the Bard said, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:53, 20 November 2009 (EST)
    • Well someone transcedend would have say "A NAME IS A CLOAK OF LETTERS THROWN UPON A MAN. IT MEANS NOTHING"--Manwithnoname 11:31, 20 November 2009 (EST)
      • That spoony bard...--Riddler 11:37, 20 November 2009 (EST)

Other characters

What does everyone think about the following characters' names? Should the "the Haitian" bit change to "René"? Or stay as "the Haitian"?

My thought is that the friend articles should definitely be changed to "René". The other ones I'm fine with either way. --Radicell 06:45, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree. It doesn't matter to me very much one way or the other, since the character was known as "The Haitian" back then...but if they get changed to "René's friend" or "René (explosion future)", I'm fine with that. But I don't really have much of an opinion one way or another about those articles. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:59, 23 November 2009 (EST)
  • Well, I realize that the friends can be changed to Rene's friends, but I can also see why not, because he was known as the Haitian back then. The future versions, I think should stay the same because of by them finding out his name might not've happened in these futures. It may be something he said recently and changed the future. the histories, I don't think should be changed because if someone just watching the show saw that, the name would be given away and I don't think that that is fair to them. ~~IHHTalk 16:37, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • He definitely wasn't known as "the Haitian" when he was a child in Haiti. I believe the friend articles should be changed to René. The others, not so much, for the reasons that everyone's stated. --Radicell 04:23, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Samdi

Some people have been under the impression that because Rene's brother was called Baron Samdi that his last name is Samdi. This is a misunderstanding. Baron Samdi (Baron Sunday) is a deity in pantheon of Voodoo spirits and is characterized as representing death and some say immortality, and is typically portrayed as a tall thin black man in a top hat with a white skull painted on his face. Rene's brother knew this and used the name to invoke certain preconcieved notions of voodoo practitioners and those who followed them. His power convinced them that he was an incarnation and that he should be followed or else. --WolvenSpectre 22:13, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • Well said. Only, it's actually "Samedi". --Rotinaj42 17:07, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Weird Note

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  1. Although René's last name is not known, seven different times his father Guillame addresses him as "Boy". (It Takes a Village Parts 1, 2, 3, 4), and (The Crossroads)

That I don't quite get the point of... What does his father calling him "Boy" have anything to do with is hame, let alone his last name?

Also, just to throw something in about the whole Haitian/Rene discussion; I think that since he was given a name, we should use it (like Noah for HRG). I'd say the reason that a lot of people on the show still refer to him as "The Haitian" is because for the longest time they thought he was mute, and probably didn't even know his name until he started talking, just a theory. Pyrotics 23:45, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • Peter refered to him as Rene too in Brother's Keeper so that really is his name.--WarGrowlmon18 23:47, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Angela called him René as well. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:38, 24 November 2009 (EST)

What I think is that it would say: "Although René's name was not known then, seven different times his father Guillame addresses him as "Boy". (It Takes a Village Parts 1, 2, 3, 4), and (The Crossroads)" It makes more sense this way. --Jmfdr91 00:28, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Name rethought

Now a few characters have called him René, i'm fine for his page being called rené, but only so far as any reference to him previous of the revelation is kept as "The Haitian". --mc_hammark 11:14, 27 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree with you, 100%! ~~IHHTalk 11:15, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Quick question

Slightly off-topic, but how do I type the "é", accent and all, on my computer? I'm sick of copying and pasting.--PJDEP 22:11, 30 November 2009 (EST)

  • Alt+0233 --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:07, 30 November 2009 (EST)
    • Or you can press crtl alt e --mc_hammark 12:01, 1 December 2009 (EST)
      • I don't have to bother with this, I'm Brazilian, we use that accent in loads of words, we have that and other accents in our keyboards, all we need to do is press the key with the accent before pressing the letter, or use shift, in case the accent isn't the main thing in the key. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:27, 1 December 2009 (EST)
        • Or you could just not use the accent. No one will complain if you say rene.Gamerelite1 18:42, 2 December 2009 (EST)
          • Gamer--that's fine as long as it's in the talk pages, but the main pages (and Theory pages and Spoiler pages and anything that's not a talk page) should use the proper spelling, which is René. Thanks! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2009 (EST)
            • I totally agree on that. I just meant he could spell it as rene on the talk pages.Gamerelite1 21:10, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • Off-topic, but I thought that accents in general were standard in keyboards? My friend brought a laptop in Germany and it had the acute accent, even though the German language only uses the umlaut accents.--Referos 20:49, 2 December 2009 (EST)
      • With American keyboards at least, they can be accomplished through a button sequence, but there is no singular accent key.--PJDEP 21:00, 3 December 2009 (EST)

The Fifth Stage

Here's a question you've got to ask yourself; why didn't René go and help peter kill sylar. He would be able to stop sylar's powers, then peter could take an offensive power (like disintegration which seems to be the only one which could bypass sylar's regeneration). And don't say "cause that would ruin the story" cause I know that's one of the reasons. --mc_hammark 11:34, 3 December 2009 (EST)

  • Peter knows both Nathan and Sylar substantially better than René does, and has a fair bit of history fighting both of them. Additionally, in the past we've seen René go against his orders "for their own good", etc. It was to ensure that the job got done. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 11:54, 3 December 2009 (EST)
    • But René hates sylar, we've seen how he reacted, even when he was thinking he was Nathan. He didn't have to fight him (though from Four Months Later... he does look quite strong) just stand there and block sylar's powers while peter fought him. I doubt he'd allow sylar to live, there is no "good" in letting him live. --mc_hammark 11:59, 3 December 2009 (EST)
      • Not at all, Peter was just willing to do that by himself. He didn't intend to kill Sylar, otherwise he could totally have, as demonstrated in the episode, by using his nailing gun in his head, and then dispose of the body somehow. (No immortal can regenerate if the brain is stuck with something, killing spot moved or not) Peter kicked Sylar's ass pretty easily, he didn't (and won't) need more.--Kleith 12:08, 3 December 2009 (EST)
        • Plus, if Sylar saw the Haitian, he would run. Peter took it in order to lure Sylar into a trap.--Ratclaws 13:07, 3 December 2009 (EST)
          • I'm pretty sure Peter and René would be able to keep up with him if he ran, and he wouldn't be able to use his powers to escape since René would be blocking them. --mc_hammark 13:11, 3 December 2009 (EST)
            • I think Peter was waiting for Sylar to find him, how would he know where to find him?--PJDEP 21:00, 3 December 2009 (EST)
              • Firstly, Peter didn't go with the intention of killing Sylar- he went with the intention of getting Nathan back, so Disintegrating the body wasn't even in the question. Secondly, this was a personal issue. I'm pretty sure Peter wanted to deal with this one alone. I think René was perceptive enough to know that and could have prevented Peter from taking his power if he wanted to, but didn't because he recognised and respected Peter's wishes.--Evil Maldini 10:41, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Hiro screwed up the timeline!

Now, my theory is that when Hiro went back in time to make his sister fall in love with Ando, he must have accidentally changed other things. I think he created a world where The Company cares enough about there employees to actually ask them their names, and are kind enough to use them. Think about it, everyone started calling him René after Hiro messed with the past. What else could he have changed?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:08, 3 January 2010 (EST)

  • Hahaha, that actually makes a lot of sense. Ever since Hiro changed things, everyone said René as if they had always called him that... weird... --Skullman1392 13:42, 3 January 2010 (EST)