Talk:Samuel Sullivan

Terrakinesis

Should we include his known ability as Terrakinesis? Joshua Korolenko

• We don't know for sure if that's his power. For all wthat was shown in the promo vid, it could be just telekinesis. I think it's terrakinesis as well, but let's just wait for confirmation. Until then, it could go in the theories section of this page. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 10:59, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
• Why is Terrakinesis listed in his infobox if its not confirmed yet? --Snow Leapord 18:51, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
  • I think it was confirmed somewhere. But I may be wrong.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:56, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
    • The only place I ever saw it saying it was terrakinesis was at the ODI. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
      • After Strange Attractors i think isn't only Terrakinesis. He can teleport the Carnival (See Ink) or maybe he can teleport the other people without touch them. But i think is the 1st. TanderixUTCR 15:37 (Italy), 27 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Not necessarily his doing, he could have had another carny with an ability that would allow that do it, but stay hidden, so Samuel could make a dramatic effect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Yes, this is possible TanderixUTCR 21:00 (ItalY), 27 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I thought that was Arnold's doing, since he can teleport people places without going with him. Can't he? daevon 16:05, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Main Character?

I could be wrong, but wasn't he listed as a guest star in the opening credits? --Skullman1392 22:16, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

• ummm I really dont remember. on another note is his ability really terrakinesis? and whats with the ink thing? by the way amazing premier. -Tsmarg
  • I'm positive he was listed with the guest cast, and thus cannot be considered a main character. --Skullman1392 07:52, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • He was credited on-screen as a guest star, but in the press releases he is credited as a regular. This is similar to David Anders in early Season Two, his status was changed eventually. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:59, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Still considered guest cast... I vote he should be removed from the main cast (on our site, obviously) untill he is listed as part of the main caston the show. Technically we have no cannon evidence he is main cast, and again, maybe the bigshots at Heroes decided they don't want him around for long and changed his status. If he becomes listed with the main cast, he can thus be changed back. --Skullman1392 22:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Arnold

How do you know his name is Arnold. Does he call him that, during the episode? --Janrodrigo 10:28, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• A page has already been created for this character, and it lists his name as Ronald. AltesUTC CH
  • That page is named incorrectly. Edgar asks Samuel if the "Chinese guy" is going to replace Arnold. Also Jack Wallace is credited as Arnold. See Arnold. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:17, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Abilities

Do we know for sure that his ability is terrakinesis? Because of those tattoo things, I thought he had could do something else. Any thoughts? - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 11:38, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• Maybe he developed his ability and may be able to do some randomly different things? AltesUTC CH
  • For some reason, I feel that he is either like he has multiple powers (Terrakinesis: when he moves the earth; Some Ink Ability: When he manipulates the ink; Telekinesis or something like that: When he keeps the pins from falling.) - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 11:57, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Ink-okinesis, yeah. :-P AltesUTC CH
      • Lol. If it's actually Imprinting, than maybe we named it wrong. I think he has a form of Empathic Mimicry, but maybe a bit more selective. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 12:02, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

+The actor confirmed in that LotsOfInterviews interview that was his character's ability. He said something about the minerals in the ink is the reason he can move in round. --OutbackZack 13:48, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• If he has Empathic mimicry, he wouldn't need to ask Ronald to send him back in time. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 14:55, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Then maybe he has another ability that allows him to have multiple abilities. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 16:39, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Have we thought, maybe he can control earth and ink...it's possible that they share some of the same composite minerals--Anthony Gooch 16:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

and he may have been controling this mystery mineral stated above to control the metal bottles that he threw to convince Hiro at the carnaval.

• Well at the moment it says

Using his strange tattoo power once again, images of Claire, Sylar, and Peter appear on Lydia's back.

Evolved Human Abilities Samuel has the ability to move earth.

So it needs to be changed, should we wait for the next episode to shed some light on it?-- By Danko CH 16:46, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

We could change it to something link "control mineral materials". Ink can have those. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:57, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• I would guess that he is an empath like Peter. The reasons I suspect this is that he seemed quite interested in discovering that Peter 'was' and empath by Edgar. Also, it would explain why he can do tricks with ink and manipulate the earth. It is entirely possible that Lydia's ability is ink manipulation (or whatever) and the other guy (being buried) had terrakinisis, or someone else from the carnival. -Barbedknives (talk)21:18, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

• • I think his brother Joseph was the Empath thats why he was interested in Peter, and he said it on the last episode that he controls the earth on his feet.--Darkfiremaster13 06:26, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Name it Samuel's ability, just like with Mohinder. =\ AltesUTC CH

• • • Actually i thought he said he could control the earth under his own feet. Meesa yoda 21:53, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Sorry my mistake, but it still proves that he have Terrakinesis and was not an Empath right? I think that is why he was interested in Peter cause their group needed another Empath to "replace" the past Empath on the group (I'm guessing it was Joseph). Like Hiro doing something that Arnold couldn't do because he was old and weak --Darkfiremaster13 05:44, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

just noticed some nice trivia

Samuel uses the name bill hooper as his alias, this is also the name of the man who wrote about the mysterious drownings in nathan's newspaper at the end of volume 4.

• They're both named after Bill Hooper, a script coordinator for Heroes and a graphic novelist. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Anyone hope he doesn't die?

• Since Heroes has a long trend of killing off its villians during or after one volume (look at Adam, Arthur, Knox, Flint, Maury, and now Danko), it's likely Samuel will meet the same fate. I for one really hope this doesn't happen for once, because Samuel's a fairly unique main villian by the show's standards. He's not uber-powerful like Arthur or Sylar, but is strong enough to be a threat by himself, unlike Danko or Adam (who was just more durable then an average human). Anyone else hope he sticks around for a while?Swm 08:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
• Yes. Also, I don't see him as a villain. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:15, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
  • He killed lots of people? And you don't see him as villain??? WaterRatj 19:44, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
    • No, I don't. He's killed three people by my count. Noah has killed more than that. Even Ted has a higher kill rate than that. I'm not saying Samuel is not going to become a villain, I'm just saying I don't see him as one right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:22, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
      • You can't compare noah with the three people he killed in the sinkhole WaterRatj 21:00, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Who did he kill? Or was that all in the webisode, GN, and iStories? ~~IHH—Talk 20:28, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Three people died in the sinkhole. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:34, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Still its a murder, that doesn't mean i want him to die, he can become good, but now he's going to the evil path WaterRatj 20:40, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I just see him as a really confused guy who just wants to fill the gap his brother left when he died. He's actually kind of neutral -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:35, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
              • My sister read somewhere that he was only destined to shoot six episodes, but they extended his contract before volume 5 starts airing. Hopefully the carnival remains for the rest of the show, it was good to have character(s) that you can't tell if they were a villain or a hero.--Darkfiremaster13 07:09, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
• I don't want Samuel to die, Robert Knepper is as great as Zach Quinto... But I'm afraid that's just what's going to happen. AltesUTC CH
  • I do hope he dies, and I really hope Sylar will kill him, that would be badass -- (WaterRatj) 07:29, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Agree :D --Skullman1392 17:02, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
      • If he does kill him, I hope he doesn't take his power. Sylar would just be stupid with terrakinesis. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:39, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I hope he stayed on the rest of the show, I think he was a villain on a same level as Magneto. He wanted all the specials to come together and protect them from the normals, and kill those normal if they attacked anyone special.--Darkfiremaster13 18:42, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
• I still hope he doesn't die, even though he's now descending into villiany. Sinking a police station full of bloodthirsty cops is one thing, but kidnapping Charlie and marooning her in time is very very low. Not to mention murdering Mohinder... Swm 05:26, 3 November 2009 (EST)
  • I think he kidnapped Charlie to make Hiro do his will, that was to undo his wrong doing including what he did to Mohinder. --Darkfiremaster13 05:29, 6 November 2009 (EST)

I heard rumors

That Samuel can also control water. Apparently it's from a UK only press release by Tim Kring. Can anyone confirm?--Gibbeynator 18:48, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

• I've not really read it yet but here's the link. --mc_hammark 19:02, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think Tim actually said it, I think it was just the writer getting it wrong. --mc_hammark 19:08, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Well, I just wanted to see it with my own eyes. But it DOES explain how Samuel can control the ink without trying to explain what's in the ink that he can control.--Gibbeynator 21:51, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I think Samuel can only control water if minerals are dissolved in it. AltesUTC CH
        • I thought Terrakinesis had VERY strict rules about how it works? This is something that seriously needs to be addressed in the show.--Gibbeynator 20:28, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Rules? What rules? What needs to be addressed? I'm not seeing what the issue is that needs to be addressed on the show. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
• Only thing I can think of is that Sparrow couldn't summon earth in the city, a problem she later overcame. No reason to think that applies to Samuel. Swm 14:06, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Its going to need some new rules, otherwise he can control everything, as everything is made up of elements. For instance he may only be able to manipulate certain mixtures of different elements. Otherwise he has telekinesis far more powerful than Sylar.

No Quotes?

• Surely he's had at least one memorable one by now? The one to Sylar in Tabula Rasa, about how family accepts and forgives its own, seems a suitable one at least. I don't remember exactly how it's worded, or I would add it in. Anybody have any suggestions? Swm 14:08, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Why don't you look at the episodes, pick out a couple of the best ones, and put them on his page? If there are too many, some will probably be erased to make room for new ones, and to trim the page, but we have to start somewhere :D --Skullman1392 22:44, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Victims

He has killed a few times already, do we have a victim page for him? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:29, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

I agree--Yoshi n1 17:43, 4 November 2009 (EST)

Suresh "Extra Bits" Coyote Sands footage on NBC site

I think it's pretty obvious that the Extra Bits footage with Chandra Suresh on the NBC site is about the birth of Samuel Sullivan on March 5, 1961, complete with seismic activity. Also, we should really add these clips in the listing of webisodes. This site has seemingly ignored these new webisodes. It also adds context to the fact that we now know that the footage that Mohinder found of his father at Coyote Sands ties into finding out about Samuel and probably his death. NileQT87 22:16, 4 November 2009 (EST)

• Do you have a link to this? This is the first I have heard of it. Plus, holy crap, March 5th is my birthday! How sweet would it be to be born the same day as Samuel!--Ratclaws 22:24, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • There are 5 new Chandra webisodes up on the NBC site here: [1] NileQT87 22:29, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • Interesting. I wouldn't call them webisodes, but they are definitely noteworthy. Sadly, they do not confirm that Samuel was born on March 5th. That is just the day he made one of the clips. There is no indication they are all on the same day.--Ratclaws 22:44, 4 November 2009 (EST)
      • It's definitely the same day from day to evening/night. The woman is giving birth through at least 2 of the webisodes and all but entry 1 show the seismic events as Samuel is born. The baby screams at the end of entry 21. It's one day. NileQT87 22:49, 4 November 2009 (EST)
        • Good point. I think an admin needs to decide if these are worth noting somewhere, or if they need a page of their own.--Ratclaws 23:02, 4 November 2009 (EST)
• Since they are called "extra bits", I'd guess that they are cut scenes from 1961 that didn't fit on the Season 3 DVD... so I'm not sure of their canonicity, but they should probably be noted under the Heroes Evolutions section of the Coyote Sands article. Ryan mentioned the videos at Talk:Coyote Sands films.
  
  On a side note, I agree that Samuel being born or present in Coyote Sands might be possible, and could be the reason why Mohinder is dead now... but it's just a theory for now. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:26, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • I don't think they are deleated scenes from 1961. They most likely had not come up with the Samuel charactor yet, and that is clearly what these are about.--Ratclaws 23:30, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • An internal document at NBC listed them as deleted scenes from 1961 with a question mark. There was another note on the document, but I don't have it in front of me to quote it. They look like they were filmed at the same time as 1961 (I don't think they re-hired Ravi Kapoor just for these "Extra Bits") but they are not deleted scenes that were ever meant for the DVD. I believe they were always meant to be put online to be exactly what they are--videos that were filmed in 1961, were lost, and are now resurfacing. As for where they should go, I think we should make an article about all the Coyote Sands films, including when Chandra and Mr. Lieberman filmed Angela and later filmed Alice. These five videos can also be included in that information under the Heroes Evolutions heading. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • That sounds like a better idea, then just add a see also link at the bottom of the Coyote Sands article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:35, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • Unrelated, but it's possible they did re-hire Ravi Kapoor. Check the official description for Brother's Keeper. That'll be all. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:38, 5 November 2009 (EST)
          • I'm not physics genius, but among the formulas Chandra was scribbling, I recognized a power formula, and a momentum formula used in mechanical collision of objects. There was also a reconstitution index. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)
            • As a related note, when did geneticists become physicists?--Referos 17:05, 7 November 2009 (EST)
              • I believe "reductionism" causes them to know some physics. --mc_hammark 17:08, 7 November 2009 (EST)