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Man at Bar

  • I thought that the Man at the Bar's first encounter with the policeman was reminiscent of an early encounter between a young Professor X and another powerful telepath. I cannot remember the details of that comic book, but it's part of Professor X's canonical origin story. In it, Professor X meets an Indian telepath at a bar on accident, and they end up fighting each other on the astral plane. Ultimately, Professor X defeats him. -- Signyour Poste
  • If the "man at the bar" is known as The Haitian in the official scripts, should the page name be moved ? --Orne 15:15, 8 November 2006 (EST)
    • I would say yes. I think the actual article should now be called The Haitian with Man at the bar just redirecting. If they give him an actual name, we can just move it again. Any other opinions? (Admin 17:09, 8 November 2006 (EST))
      • Sounds good to me. If nothing else, he's no longer at the bar. :) --Hardvice (talk) 17:35, 8 November 2006 (EST)
        • Can we get a redirect SED to Hatian.
          ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 22:54, 6 January 2007 (EST)
          • Sure, but I for one would rather not use it for links. It's clearer if we consistently call him "the Haitian" rather than using his fan nicknames. But a redirect is still a good idea for searches.--Hardvice (talk) 23:02, 6 January 2007 (EST)
            • Personally, I don't think it's necessary as it's not not a very popular way of referring to him and I'd hate to see links show up using it instead of the proper name The Haitian. (Admin 00:30, 7 January 2007 (EST))
              • I can see the benefit of having a redirect to an article for searching purposes - especially if we get a fan looking for something that Heroes Wiki calls differently. However, I've never heard him called SED anywhere. I know he was called "Spooky Euro Dude" on the show once, and though I'm sure SED is a legitimate fan name, I think anybody that were to search for SED and not come up with anything could pretty quickly figure out that they should use another search term. Redirects for all nicknames are just not necessary. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                • The redirect doesn't really bug me. We can correct links to it just as easily as we can correct red links to SED or piped links labeled SED. In any case, all the links will still read "the Haitian" and there's no extra work, so it's all the same to me.--Hardvice (talk) 00:57, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                  • so is it #REDIRECT|SED
                    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 13:03, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Powers

The Haitian seems to be able to knock people out by touching them. Ryangibsonstewart argues that Eden's suggestion was responsible for him passing out, but he seemed to be resisting her suggestion (with effort) until the Haitian grabbed him from behind. Sylar also resisted her suggestion when she tried to tell him to kill himself, attempting to kill her for her power instead. Basically, Eden's power seems to be a powerful -- but not irresistible -- compulsion.

The Haitian's true power seems to be to interfere with brain function in various ways. He can remove, but apparently not alter, memories. He can interfere with Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion, although it's not whether he's actually affecting the superhuman or the target. The ability to knock someone out by interfering with mental function in another way seems quite consistent with his "core" power of mental manipulation (or perhaps more accurately -- mental interference). - Ted C

  • Devil's advocate time: It's possible, but unconfirmed. There's no reason to assume he can resist Eden's commands ... in fact, the fact that she assumed she could so easily take him out herself seems to imply that she was confident he couldn't, which would seem odd if her command hadn't worked the night before. We can assume he's not responsible for knocking Matt or Ted out when they were abducted because Bennet tells Matt they drugged him, and Matt asks Ted if he was drinking as well (of course, Bennet could be lying). If he could just knock them out with a handshake, why go to the trouble of bringing somebody else into the scheme (the Haitian wasn't close enough to Matt's drink to drug it, so it has to have been another patron or the bartender)? Also, why tranq Sylar (in Graphic Novel:Fathers and Daughters) if you can just touch him?

    I think there's little evidence to support the ability, though I agree it's in line with the way his powers seem to work. The only person who goes down when he touches them is Sylar, and he's just received a suggestion to sleep. Sylar may be immune/resistant to her power, but that's not confirmed, either. He avoids her suggestion to kill himself by acting before the condition precedent is met ("I'm going to put the gun in the slot, then you're going to blow your brains out.")--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm all for letting future events verify the Haitian's abilities, but I think Eden may overestimate herself a bit. Matt Parkman wasn't very compliant when he pulled her over for drunk driving, either; she had to repeat the suggestion what -- three times? -- before it finally affected him? I think the effect of her power increases with repetition, but we'll never know for sure, now (unless we get some really informative flashbacks). --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • You make a good point, Ted C. I actually happen to agree with you, but until anything is confirmed, we should leave it off the page. I guess we'll have to wait until January 22 :( - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm fine with waiting until we get further confirmation, but I wanted to get this into the Wiki somewhere for future reference. The talk page seemed the appropriate venue. --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Eden

"He has the ability to block mental abilities (to date, Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion)" When did he block Eden's suggestion? Branfish 03:13, 18 January 2007 (EST)

In Six Months Ago, Eden tries to command Mr. Bennet to let her go, and he tells her that her powers won't work on him. The Haitain is standing in the room. (see this image for reference.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Oh, of course, I forgot about the past. Branfish 07:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Spooky Euro-dude

OK, could someone explain how someone would call a Haitian a "euro-dude"??? Not much european at all about him to be honest. -- Cuardin 15:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)

  • Jimmy Jean-Louis's look and facial features could be interpreted by some to be european (I'd say he could pass for being French -- according to his page, he was an international model not only in Haiti but Paris and Spain?) -- Signyour Poste
  • Not to pretend that I'm a fashion expert, but I'd say that the Haitian's fashion sense and image could be regarded as "euro" (by at least some Americans, anyway) -- Signyour Commente
  • Sensitivity isn't one of Nathan's major personality traits. -- Signthis Pleeze
  • Especially when it comes to the correct ethnic/cultural identity of a kidnapper.
--Glue 08:42, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • I'm pretty sure it was a nod to (or making fun of) some of the forums where people have used that actual name. Heroes writers tend to be pretty savvy when it comes to self-referential comments. I swear, when Hiro and Kaito talked about waffles in Distractions, it was because they read about it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar

Should it be brought into question about the Haitian's removal (Or lack thereof) of Sylar's memory? He looked right at HRG and inquired about Claire. This means one of two things, the Haitian is working with Sylar, or Sylar's new eidetic memory makes him immune to the Haitian's powers. -- Signyour Poste

  • This is definitely a good point. I'm not sure I would mention it on the Haitian's page (or on mental manipulation) because we're not sure if it's a lack of the Haitian's power or an extension of Sylar's power. My guess is that Sylar's got a lot going on we don't know about. Perhaps we should just mention it in the summary spaces (The Fix, Sylar), maybe the "Notes" sections, and wait to find out more... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • It's also possible they just chose not to wipe Sylar's memory because they needed something from him, or thought they might at least. They could also just have not had the chance ... they were still questioning him when he killed Eden, and he got "sick" pretty much right after that.--Hardvice (talk) 12:14, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • It was my opinion that It had to do with Charlie's power. Her eiditic memory would make it theoretically substantially harder to erase memories. Anomy 20:49, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Does he work for the Company?

I thought he escaped like Claude since they were going to kill him for hiding someone with abilities? Would that make him formerly employed, similar to Claude?--Baldbobbo 18:47, 1 March 2007 (EST)

  • Presumably. I would wait until next week when we see the aftermath of his actions. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:06, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Haitian Speaking

From the Notes section: "The Haitian rarely speaks. In fact, Mr. Bennet and Thompson were under the erroneous impression that he couldn't speak. He finally broke his silence by speaking to Claire Bennet. (Fallout)"

I don't think this is correct - IIRC the Hatian spoke the Bennet when Parkman said "Who's Claire?" The Hatian said, "They're further along than we thought." Or something like that. I'm pretty sure that when Bennet is arguing with The Hatian at Primatech he was just making a point that someone other than Bennet (i.e. Claire) knew that he could speak. -- Signyour Poste

  • That was Mr. Bennet's line, not the Haitian's. In Company Man, Mr. Bennet confronts the Haitian about his ability to speak -- which he didn't know about before he found out about his conversations with Claire. Thompson claimed he was mute. In other words, until Claire revealed that he could talk, both Mr. Bennet and Thompson thought he was mute.--Hardvice (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Powers Update

I'm editing the powers of the haitain. In five years gone, it's stated by Hiro, and talked about between Peter and Hiro that the Haitian can block powers. This includes Peters, and Hiros, which cannot be argued to be just mental powers. -- Signyour Poste

  • That's fine, but make sure the edits are on The Haitian (future) and not The Haitian. This may be something the Haitian has developed during the past five years, so we don't want to change anything on the current Haitian's page since, well, nothing has changed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:43, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Technically, all the powers are mental powers, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Haitian's power classification.--Ice Vision 00:18, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Vision's right. Peter technically has only one power: empathy. And empathy comes from the brain. Hiro's power relies on concentrating with his mind to freeze time. DannyP 00:35, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Not only that, Chandra Suresh explicitly talked about the brain in Six Months Ago. The powers are centered around the brain, and therefore mental.--Ice Vision 00:46, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • You might note that I've already update the Mental manipulation page. --Ted C 10:36, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Amnegenesis

That's what I think the Haitian's power should be called. Esentially, it seems like he's rewiring the neurotransmitters in a persons head in order to erase memories (causing lacunar amnesia). A side-effect of this power is that he can project his power as a kind of mental field that can single-out people with/without powers. For people with powers, he can sometimes create a form of mental paralysis which is akin to making them temporarily forget how to activate their powers. I'm suggesting we rename his power and make Mental manipulation a disambig that contains "Amnegenesis" for the Haitian, "Psychotropicity" for Guillame and "Telepathy" for Matt Parkman.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:15, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Um, did you make that up? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 14:17, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Wow, yuck. Not only does that gloss over the fact that he can do two very different things (block powers and erase memories), but it sounds a) overly jargony and technical and b) completely made-up. I see nothing wrong with "mental manipulation" -- granted, it's not as specific as it could be, but it encompasses both effects without making one subordinate to the other (which is a huge and unfounded assumption about how the power works). And Guillaume's power isn't really "mental manipulation" -- while he manipulates brain chemistry, as far as we know he doesn't directly affect minds (thoughts, memories, and the like) per se. It seems we're wasting an awful lot of time trying to come up with fancier and fancier names for powers, but most of them seem to be either very poor fits or no better than what we have, and almost all of them are rather needlessly highfalutin.--Hardvice (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, "amnegenesis" it's a made-up combination of amnesia and genesis. I wasn't expecting your reaction, and I'm sorry I suggested it (oops!). Anyways, we're spending a lot of time cause we are learning new things from the graphic novels and interviews, and they add new insight into how the powers work. For instance, in the recent graphic novel we saw the Haitian causes the townspeople to become mindless zombies by casting his power in the form of a mental field--the same way as is suggested in Five Years Gone, but this time the mental field affected ordinary humans and that was further confirmation to me that it is one and the same power. The reasoning behind the neurotransmitters argument comes from that it seems suggested in the story that the Haitian's power physically alters Sandra's brain and repeated mind-wipes damaged it noticeably. If Matt tried hypnosis to try to recover his lost memories, I don't think it would work.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:16, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
      • Don't apologize for suggesting it--it's a valid suggestion. I just personally think it's icky and relies on unconfirmed supposition about how the two aspects of his power interrelate.--Hardvice (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
        • Thanks, I agree that more info. about the Haitian's power-blocking would help. For now, that's my theory on how the aspects interrelate and we are not likely to get a better idea on its validity till at least next season.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

I've always thought "Mental interference" was the most accurate description of what the Haitian does, whether he's interfering with powers or memory. --Ted C 17:34, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

  • I could go for that, but I'm pretty ambivalent either way. They both seem fine to me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:43, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
    • Nice one Ted, I like it better than manipulation since we now know more about the limitations of his power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:41, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Did Elle say his name?

OK, so I could have sworn I heard her call him Dan or something to that like when she gave Peter the negation drugs... -- Signyour Poste

  • She said, referring to the pills, "Let's call them Haitian pills." --SomeoneImportant 11:29, 13 November 2007 (EST)

His Powers?

Just a quicky I thought of last night (I was slow in watching this week's episode) - how come the Haitian has to touch another person to wipe their memories, but not to block their powers? *le confused* -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 23 June 2021 - 09:11 EDT

  • He doesn't. He wiped out the memories of his entire village without touching everybody--see It Takes a Village. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:28, 16 November 2007 (EST)
    • In that case, why does he even need to touch people (lol sounds wrong)? Stronger minds, maybe? -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 23 June 2021 - 09:11 EDT
      • I believe he can wipe a person's entire memory without touch, but must touch the person in order to pinpoint specific memories to erase.--Paronine 09:08, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Another one heh

Also, how come the Haitian is still working for The Company in Four Months Ago but, surely, this would be AFTER he helped Noah escape with Claire? Didn't they know he was involved? *also confused* (Caffeine does bad things to me) -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 23 June 2021 - 09:11 EDT

  • That's a really good question. Perhaps he knows he can trust Bob? Dunno the answer to that one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:30, 16 November 2007 (EST)
    • Just a guess, but maybe he erased the memory of his duplicity from their feeble minds?--Mish(Talk) 09:45, 16 November 2007 (EST)
      • When he was hiding Claire it was Linderman who was in charge. Linderman was the type of guy who would have betrayers killed, but Bob was one of the guys who was against him (remember the mention of adam with Linderman and maury being some of his desciples). Most probably, Bob would have forgiven him. --mc_hammark 12:37, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Unexpected

  • I'm really confused on what side The Haitian is on because I just realized. In Unexpected when PEter uses telekinesis and space time manip to stop the darts the Haitian does not negate the powers and he is able to negate both of those. Jason Garrick 10:39, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
    • Keep in mind he was working for Angela Petrelli, who was utilizing him to keep Claire safe behind both Noah and the Company's back. He was also the one who kept him away from the Company in Season 2. --Bob (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Power establishment?

Seems to me that The Haitian wasn't exactly established properly in the beginning. In the bar, he silences Matt's mind, which could be interpreted as just stopping his power from working. But then you look at the scene where Nathan evades the Haitian and HRG in Vegas... Not only does he not stop him from taking off (what?!) he also doesn't get any comment on it from HRG, as if that was something to expect?

Curious... -- Signyour Poste

  • I should of mentioned this to Jimmy in the interview I did, o well :/--Skywalkerrbf 07:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
    • We later find out that the Haitian has been working under Angela Petrelli's orders. If she told him to protect Claire, why not tell him to protect Nathan? And Noah wouldn't make any inquiries seeing as at the time he wouldn't expect to get an answer and he'd just assume the Haitian's ability wouldn't affect flight.--Citizen 10:21, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

A New Sensation?

Under the notes section it says that Thompson refers to the Haitian as "A new sensation." But actually, he was responding to Mr. Bennet's comment that he didn't know what to do about his wife. Thompson asks "Is that a new sensation for you?" The Haitian isn't mentioned until several lines later.--PrometheusMMIV (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Agree, I meant to bring this up myself but kept forgetting --Matchu 23:45, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

"Nullifer" agent?

Is this a canon job title or did someone just make it up? Also, it's "nullifier," not "nullifer." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:39, 2 November 2008 (EST)

  • Also, it's "made it up". Not "make it up" xD - Meteoritu
  • It should be "nullifier", and it is a near-canon term used in one of the graphic novels. However, it doesn't cover all of what the Haitian does with his ability, and it was not used to directly describe him, so we don't use it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:48, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Nickname of "My Friend"

Do we really consider this a true nickname, similar to Guillame's nickname of "boy", or is it rather, just the shows way of avoiding naming The Haitian? I think there is a difference. "Boy" is an alternate name the character is known by; whereas ""my friend" seems to be intended only for the viewing audience as a 'placeholder' for a missing name, but not a nickname used within the show by the characters to identify the Haitian. Thoughts? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/3/2008 14:39 (EST)

His brother, "Baron"

While "Baron" is an alias, are we to assume that the Haitian (and thus, Guillame)'s last name is Samedi? Fun note for the non-Francophiles: "samedi" means "Saturday". Ricard Desi 00:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • Samedi I think is his first name. The Haitian, Peter and Nathan all refer to him as Samedi, Samedi responding to it on several occasions. Titan3510 19:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • That's not even his real name. I think they just call him Samedi for short, but that's not his true name, its the name of some voodo god he took on to make his people think he's a god. -- Signyour Poste

Mental manipulation

The Haitian was able to incapacitate two of Samedi's soldiers by barely touching their heads, negate Samedi's powers and (possibly) killing him or at least destroying his mind. I think there is a character named Anna has the ability to interfere with upper brain functions and has something like this with her power. Is this new aspects of mental manipulation or an expansion of telepathy seen on the show? Titan3510 19:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think he just completely wiped his brother's mind of everything like he did to his fellow villagers by accident. We know he can do that. He did possibly display that knockout thing before though: he touched Sylar's head in Homecoming when he went unconscious, that may have been him or Eden's suggestion that Sylar sleep. -- Signyour Poste
    • Or the rag. -- Signyour Commente

Nicknames/notes

Shouldn't we add the numerous nicknames for the Haitain that are currently in the notes, to the box? --IotV 12:02, 5 January 2009 (GMT)

  • Those nicknames come from interviews and other secondary sources. The infobox is only for in-universe information. --Yamawhata? 21:32, 20 January 2009 (EST)