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Sylar abilty of flight

Why does it say sylar has the ability of flight? He slit Nathan's thoat and left him, he didn't take his abilty. When he lowered himself down from the air he was most likely using telekinesis. if this is true surely if he trys to fly he'll realize he's not Nathan?

After the fight with Nathan and Peter, Sylar flew in the window to kill Nathan, he must have gotten it somehow.

We didn't see him fly in, he levitated down slowly so he could have been using TK. I assume now he has Flight now since you could say he knows Nathan so well (much better than himself), he has empathically obtained Flight. Not to mention the new Nathan would be confused if he couldn't fly. --Master Dave 11:56, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • He was probably using telekinesis. He just used the same technique he used on Peter in Eris Quod Sum to slow down his own fall.--Spexile 16:57, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I totally agree! Because Sylar can take abilities empathically, so most likely when Nathan or Sylar pushed the other through the window Sylar copied. Now I dont think it was his TK, because Heroes used the flying sound effect other than the TK effect. [AdamJones]

  • Let's not forget that Heroes sometimes uses sound effects for the "coolness factor" like in Season 1 when Sylar's voice got low like Eden's persuasion power. It could be that they used that sound just because what Sylar was doing with TK was similar to flight but not the actual power. Clay wise 14:46, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Erm, to AdamJones, you can't use sound effect to judge on the abilities. When Sylar was "controlling" Claire to pour wine, the sound effect belongs to the Puppet master ability. He might be using telekinesis. When Matt made Sylar think he was Nathan, you can actually hear the invisibility sound effect. So did he actually use invisibility? In 1961, when Charles used his telepathy to make everyone in the cafe forget, there was no mind reading effect. Enough said, all these can-sylar-fly or what-are-peter-power(s) debate will go on all the way to September. --JLYK 18:25, 30 April 2009 (EST)

To JLYK, your right I shouldnt use the sound effects but I know for a god given fact that Sylar got flight... you know why? Because he is Nathan now, it would make no sense if one day Nathan (Sylar) tried to fly and nothing happens. So therefore... Im 100 percent certain that he has flight.

If Sylar can take James Martin's power by empathy, why wouldn't he take Nathan's ?

He spent the last few days learning and understanding everything about Nathan, so of course he got the Flight.

I don't even see how you can have any doubt.

He couldn't have take over Nathan's flight with TK, it's obvious (otherwise he would have been back sooner).

Moreover, he never really flew with TK, never, he can lift up himself but can't clearly fly in the air, and i don't see how he could have had brought Nathan in the hotel while "levitating" and not flying.

Nathan came back first so obviously (as Claire didn't see them) they were far away from the window, and that would turn levitating into real flight, which is dumb because they never did that before, and with Sylar's recent use of empathy, it's pretty unlikely.

Why would he arrived "faster" ?

Look at Nathan in the same episode geez... They go fast only when they are in the air, not in a "room".

Nathan doesn't go faster than Sylar when he demonstrates his flying to Liam.

And as you said, the new Nathan would knew since the beginning something is wrong, which is merely impossible.

teveryone is working under the presumption that he used empathy and saying he used it on James Martin but it never shows or tells how he took James martins power for all we know he could have shoved his brain out his nose! somehow i just can't imagine Sylar next to someone he is gonna kill saying "I know how you feel the pain its understandable it's ok and giving them a friendly pat on the shoulder.

BTE confirmed it was empathy, with no through the nose removal, long time ago, that's practically common knowledge. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:36, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Thrashmeister is right!! It's PR

I'm saying this because remember that Sylar can now gain powers through some kind of empathy? Like he got Elle's in the first place? And why was he flying when he was fighting Nathan, in the balcony, BEFORE murdering him?? IT WAS THROUGH EMPATHY, he must've got it, either from Dual or from when he dropped off Doyle at Danko's apartment... Although I don't know how he got out of Tom Miller's home so fast that time so I can't rely on the Nathan-Flight-Empathy fact... but it's PR!! -- Meteoritu =D- 22:25 (GMT), 28 April 2009

No it's levitation through telekinesis. This phenomenon was also documented earlier, when he killed Dale Smither in Unexpected (although it was, admittedly, not explicitly stated it was such.

That too, is speculative, considering you're basing it off of an unconfirmed example. But like I also said, we can't really say either way. I have submitted questions to CBR concerning flight/puppet mastery; hopefully we'll get them answered soon. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 19:57, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
I thought he was levitating with TK too, until I rewatched it. The flight sound effect is definitely used instead of the "swish-swish" TK sound effect. - Hive 20:28, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Uhh... just out of curiosity... why do you keep calling it PR? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 08:26, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

How did Sylar get out of Tom's and Danko's respective apartments so fast?

Just wondering. -- Meteoritu =D- 22:27 (GMT), 28 April 2009

  • He didn't leave, he transformed into Taub. - BlackWidower 18:53, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • In Danko's apartment, I'm talking about the Into Asylum encounter. One moment he was with Danko, the next he was at the top of a building... -- Meteoritu =D- 22:18 (GMT), May 5th 2009

Ummm...

Why does Sylar's "known powers" list state he has "Puppet Master", when Doyle is clearly alive and Sylar hasn't shown anything that can't be explained away by Ability homology? Did I miss an important BTE or something? Is Doyle dead and "Nowhere Man" is a flashback?--Uncanny474 17:33, 28 April 2009 (EDT) Nowhere Man has always been a flashback. It takes place between the time Claire gave him a new identity and when Sylar captured him and gave him to Danko. --Snow Leapord 18:48, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

So surely someone should remove that note (DO NOT ADD PUPPET MASTER TO SYLAR'S POWER LIST. His control of Claire in "An Invisible Thread" is entirely consistent with telekinesis.) in the edit section of the page, and actually add Puppet Master to the list of known powers, because it was so obvious that was the power being used by Sylar when controlling Claire. You could hear sound effects of children laughing, which is definatly not associated with Telekinesis. Puppets and children seem to fit together... --RagaMunki 00:19, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

I think this is what some people aren't understanding, Sylar does have 'Puppet master', it was so obvious. And he has Flight the sound cue was there. But lets say he didn't have flight from Nathan, say he evolved his Telekinesis. So now he can "fly". So does he have flight? Yes! Because it doesn't matter how he gets it, it's a different ability, he now has the same DNA code that Nathan used to fly. --Powermimic 00:18, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

  • The issue isn't really whether Sylar has Puppet Master or not...it's whether we can say he has acquired that ability beyond a shadow of a doubt. I think it's clear from this debate that we cannot say that. To do so, we'd really need to delve more into how his empathy works. For every other power he has ever absorbed (iirc), we have been given at least one of three things:

1. We see Sylar take the power, usually via slicing the head, occassionally via his "empathy" (whatever that is).
2. We are told Sylar has acquired the power and from whom...usually told by Sylar himself.
3. We see Sylar demonstrate a previously known power and see or are told about a dead evolved human who has said power and has encountered Sylar (usually with their head cut open).
To my knowledge, every power he has acquired, either before or after the Shanti virus incident, has fallen into one of these three categories (often into more than one of them). To say he has Puppet Master means we'd need to revise #2 to include his ability to "empathically" gain powers; something which isn't really understood, as it's barely mentioned anywhere on pages (eg - there is no power called "empathy" (empathic mimicry doesn't count, as we cannot confirm Sylar has ever had that power); it does not appear on his page, and barely appears on the intiuitive aptitude page). So, until we either know more about that aspect or decide to classify it ourselves, I don't think we can confirm he has Puppet Master, even if the power he's displayed and the sound cues seem to indicate he does. For all we know, it's another power similar to Puppet Master that he gained somewhere else...it's just too speculative to state he has it, imo. --Stevehim 01:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Well I just have to disagree. The sound cues and actions make it clear that it was puppet master.
  • The sound cues aren't exactly trustworthy. By that logic he also has invisibility and had persuasion. Plus, one of his actions in controlling Claire caused her to stumble backwards. If it was Puppet Master, could't he make her walk backwards and sit down? She was clearly pushed. The sound effects may have been for "coolness." Sylar's sound effects have rarely been consistentSpencer 02:08, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, we always assume Sylar's gains things empathically when cleary he isn't that empathic at all... In Season 1 he made Audrey Hanson point her gun at her head. Case closed. --Master Dave 02:11, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • One, Sound effects mean nothing. Two, there are some MAJOR differences between TK flight and Flight. The major one is speed. In The Eclipse, Part One and Turn and Face the Strange, Nathan is shown flying between countries in a single episode. Even granting a little time passing while we're watching other things happen, it's still WAY too fast for it to be accomplished the same way Sylar does. As far as we've seen, Sylar has to take it slow, and he has trouble landing. Nathan can land at full speed. I don't even need to cite for this one. When he lands, it's just a landing. When Sylar landed, it was slow, ominous, and definetely un-Flightlike. There is obviously a difference.--Uncanny474 16:43, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
  • As for Puppet Mastery, there is a HUGE difference there, too. As far as I can tell (prove me wrong!), Sylar didn't do the same actions as Claire, but instead moved his hands like he normally does for TK. Doyle has to move his hands to move people. Although he might have TK (see his discussion page for more). Case Closed.--Uncanny474 16:44, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Sylar can take powers without killing people..

No, not through empathy. That was Arthur's ruse. Sylar can observe a power and steal it now if he takes his time. He didn't kill James Martian, Doyle, or Nathan for their powers. He just absorbed them. He did kill Nathan and James through other means, though. - Cen

  • But he did kill James Martin, remember? Danko told Sylar that he was still alive after he shot him, and asked him not to leave a mark when taking his ability. Also, he never took Doyle's or Nathan's powers, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. PrometheusMMIV 02:07, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't think he took Doyle's because there was no puppet sound cue with Claire, and she clearly looked forced by telekinesis when she was pouring the wine and drinking. She was shaking, as if she was trying to fight it, whereas with Doyle's power, there was no way for her to try and fight back as he had control of her muscles. Now Sylar has taken flight the same way he took shapeshifting. Here's why: They showed in the starting refresher clips that Danko told him to take the power without cutting open the head, and he also did the same thing with Elle's power. I believe that he can tell how to use a power without ripping open the head, but it takes longer, kinda like reading a piece of paper through frosted glass, it can be done, it just takes longer.

They also had the sound cue, that was unmistakable. And lastly, if he did not take flight, then 'Nathan' would have known something was wrong when he didn't have it after the fight. Dracomaster4 09:52, 29 April 2009 (EDT) We never say him fly only seeing him landing, he could have merely used TK to levitate down to the floor. --Master Dave 10:36, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Nathan's Memories

Just reading Sylar's latest update on the new finale. I saw that it said, He has only Nathan's memories now, including the knowledge he can fly. If Sylar in fact did NOT gain Flight, won't Nathan know something. I mean, it seems Nathan has been using flight more frequently than any other season. And if he goes to use it again, and nothing. What happens when he starts asking questions.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:15, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think this is proof that Sylar did in fact absorb flight. My bet is that through his use of clairsentience and acquiring many of Nathan's memories before Matt's brainwashing, Sylar was able to use the empathic side of his intuitive aptitude and gain access to Nathan's ability. --Whizzles 21:27, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Why can't people accept that Sylar gained Flight? He thinks he is Nathan, and no doubt will eventually fly. Sylar gained the ability the same way he took Elle's, the Shape-shifting and multiple others. The writers have said he doesn't need to cut open their head anymore, just understand them. --Powermimic 00:07, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It's also a possibility that he gained flight from someone we never saw. He got to the top of the building awfully fast after talking to Danko in his car in Into Asylum.
  • Nathan's brain was never exposed, and Sylar seemed to have not kept the habit of 'keeping it clean' when acquiring new abilities, for example, when he got Tom Miller's power. Sylar would have no reason to not expose the brain, as he went on to kill Nathan straight after. Surely this shows he could not have obtained flight from nathan. Perhaps if he attempted to fly now, he would subconsciously be using his Telekinesis to fly. Also every time he took a power without exposing the brain, and with exposing the brain, it required some amount of concentration, which i imagine would be pretty hard while being in the air... --RagaMunki 11:27, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Sylar can get powers empathically and since he knows Nathan at such a personal level it if safe to say he has Flight. I don't think he had flight until he took Nathan's identity completely. Since he has none of his own memories only Nathan's, he understands Nathan completely. I don't think he used TK to fly only levitate like he did when he landed back into the suite. --Master Dave 06:37, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • It's very likely Sylar has absorbed Nathan's ability through empathy (this would explain why he just slit his throat, not sliced his head open), but until we witness Sylar flying, we can't be sure. --Altes 13:20, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, remember he got the lighting ability from Elle without killing her. --OutbackZack 13:25, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • What I'm wondering is what's going to happen when "Nathan" cuts himself shaving and heals. I think that would be an eye opener to say the least. He wouldn't be able to go far without figuring that out. Also he's a politician.... you think no one's going to lie to him without his head buzzing? Eventually Angela's going to have to tell him the truth about who he is. I think we'll reach a point where both "Nathan" and "Sylar" will be considered dead and a new personality will arise that has elements of both people. Clay wise 14:54, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Clocks

Ok, it always bothered me that Sylar is able to detect that a clock is not set to the "right" time. He does this earlier in Season 1 when working in the watch store, and as Nathan in "An Invisible Thread." I can understand if he is good enough to listen to a clock and tell that it's running slow (e.g. losing 1 second every hour, etc), but not that it's currently "A minute and a half behind." Unless he is synced up to the atomic clock with the correct time, it doesn't make sense for him to intuitively know that a clock is set to the wrong time. PrometheusMMIV 02:46, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I actually think "synced up with the atomic clock" is the likeliest explanation. My theory is that he just knew the "correct" time at one point, and his brain has been mentally and subconsciously keeping its own time based on that time to this day... if you get what I mean. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 08:29, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • He knows how things work and how they should go. Isn't that enough? -- Altes
      • I think it's obvious. He looked at how the atomic clock was made and his DNA changed to give him the ability of atomic clock
        • lol. Wait, are you serious?--Uncanny474 16:23, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Intuitive aptitude + Clairsentience + Empathy = On Touch Power Absorption?

I was just wondering if the combination of these three powers would allow for simple touch power absorption, like Arthur but without taking the other power.

In theory, he is able to touch something, acquire all information and history of the object, analyze and understand it, then empathize with it. What do you guys think? -Barbedknives (talk)13:29, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

I perfer the idea of shape-shifting his dna to include their powers dna. If he can determine exactly what they look like from their dna, surely he could get their power? --Quig 14:48, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's new powers (Puppet Master and Flight); an explanation

I'm Seeing this debate about

  1. Whether Sylar indeed has Puppet Master and Flight or is simply applying his TK in a novel manner and
  2. If he has them, where'd he get them?

I think I have a plausible and document-able explanation: Firstly, we know from Danko's comments in Turn and Face the Strange know that Sylar had numerous successful captures as Agent Taub. Also in Season 3 week 29 of BTE they throw around the Idea that Sylar acquired a few new abilities acting as a building 26 agent. Two of those abilities could easily be Puppet Master and Flight. So, why cant we say that he acquired those two abilities from unknown sources instead of trying to figure out if/how he acquired them from Doyle and Nathan, respectively, and call the whole debate off? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Because that's still speculation. We haven't seen him demonstrate anything that couldn't be explained with TK, we haven't seen any of his victims with those abilities, and he hasn't mentioned any of them either. If you go from the premise that while working for Danko as an agent and/or taking abilities from captives in Building 26, then you could just say he got any power you feel like, using that logic.
You could say he got aerokinesis because he cut Nathan's throat, or whatever you want.
It will be hard to tell if we ever do whether or not he has puppet mastery, in any case. -Barbedknives (talk)02:08, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
The Behind the Eclipse interview is not 100% accurate and it is proven lots of times. They said we will find out how Peter gets his scar in Dual, it never happen (they claim that it was deleted). They also said by shapeshifting one can't change his clothes. Wrong. And there are also stupid answer at times like "Will Claude appear this season? - he has been in every shot, you just can't see him." and then... "Will West appear then? - He is always flying, there he is." I rephrase them but it is exactly what they meant. And when they don't want to answer certain questions they give dumb replies like "Huh? What? I lost you there?" --JLYK 18:36, 30 April 2009 (EST)
  • I don't think we have enough evidence that he has acquired either power. There was the debate about the whole "hiding in plain sight" power that he seems to have on several occasions, another on his apparent ability to teleport/levitate, and another on his pre-Claire seeming invulnerability/healing, and all were explained away by TK (ie - if he has a power that can account for his actions and we aren't specifically told/shown him acquiring a new one, we can't list him as having it). With respect to flight, even if he does have it, we wouldn't know if he got it from Nathan or Peter, since we never saw what happened in the battle in the room. I would suggest the safest thing is to assume he doesn't have these powers until we get solid confirmation, and if people feel that strongly about it, maybe list something vague in the Notes section about the instances they were displayed and how it isn't yet clear if they were newly acquired powers or applications of his pre-existing ones. --Stevehim 12:27, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • you are fogeting we see sylar fly in onto the balcony at the end of the flight, just before sylar slits nathans thoat. Fred1793 17:06, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't forgetting it, I was suggesting we currently don't have enough evidence to say it was flight instead of telekinesis. --Stevehim 17:20, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
      • He landed, slowly. Levitated to the ground. Could have easily been TK. --Master Dave 02:15, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
        • I thought the same thing, then I watched the scene again and they deliberately made the flight sound cue. --Autre31415 17:54, May 4 2009 (EDT)
          • I'm not quite sure about flight still, but im 100% sure he has puppetry. Listen for the children's laughter when hes moving claire around, then watch the episode "Dying of the Light" and listen to Doyle use his puppetry. Exact same sound effect. Also Sylar's hands are not in his usual telekinesis form. Now what made him decide to use this instead of telekenisis i dont know...--NaokiB4U 06:21, 10 May 2009 (EDT) 3:21, 10 May 2009 (PST)
            • I believe the same thing, but not simply because of the sounds. Notice how when he starts talking about how people will die, including her father. Sylar said "I'll kill him too... Or maybe I'll make you" This to me implies that he decided to tinker with this unused ability of controlling others, because he has finally got control of himself and a plan & Goal (Like when he told Luke not to use abilities without a plan, goal, and clear head)--Autre31415 07:35, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

What body?

If Sylar was busy being Nathan, what body was being burned in An Invisible Thread?--Laudo 10:45, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It was the body of James Martin, the original shapeshifter who died while impersonating Sylar.--Piemanmoo 13:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yup, it was definitely James Martin, though I would think it would make more sense to burn Nathan's body and keep Martin's, as the shapeshifter's body could be used to convince the authorities that Sylar was really dead (though I suppose they still have his bones to check that), whereas Nathan's body needs to be gotten rid of to avoid troublesome questions. But you can clearly see it is Zachary Quinto being burned, so it must be Martin, as Piemanmoo says. --Stevehim 15:12, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Infobox - a few issues

  • Why was this changed? Weren't we still discussing it? If we are changing it, can we now add all of his acquired powers with "lost" next to those he no longer has, and do the same for Peter? Also, shouldn't we put something like "former" next to his aliases/name, since he is now Nathan Petrelli? --Stevehim 12:32, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Am I the only one who thinks this infobox is long, unwieldy, and not serving the purpose of providing a quick reference to the character? Really, you should be able to get the information presented in an infobox without having to scroll down three screens. --Ted C 13:04, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • What's the current plan here? Now we've reverted back to shape shifting links in the infobox, but they go to the Notes section instead of templates? I have to voice some opposition to that, especially since it just takes you to the top of the Notes section instead of the actual note itself. If we're doing links, I truly feel templates are the way to go. I'll revert it back to listing them all for now, but we really should get some discussion going again about the infobox, its purpose, and its length limitations, if any. --Stevehim 11:34, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

SHOUTING

NO FLIGHT! NO F**KING FLIGHT! SPECULATIVE! DON'T ADD IT! *************!!!

Shortening the infobox

I'm sorry, it was me who did it. I thought it was quite a good idea. Wasn't it? -- Altes 03:57, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Nope, see the discussion above. We decided that it's best to keep all the relevant information in the infobox, and not link to templates. --Radicell 04:09, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure that was ever decided. It seemed that you and Ryan were argung for keeping the information in there, whereas Ted C, Meteoritu and Sylar Fan09 was arguing against it. I fall on the side of consistency, in that if we keep the information in there we should list all of his lost powers, but if we are trying to keep the infobox simple by NOT listing his lost powers, then that mantra should be applied to the shape shifting as well. If Atles feels the infobox should be kept concise as well, it seems like it's 2 people for listing in the infobox and 4 people against (with me on both sides of the fence, depending on the overall issue). Based on that, I'd say the issue is still up in the air, but if more people feel that the information doesn't belong directly listed in the infobox, I don't see why we'd assume we should do that (unless it's an executive decision, which would be up to RGS and Ted C to sort out). --Stevehim 14:14, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I have shortened the Infobox and explained my reasons in internal comments. In short, the Portrayer(s) lists only names people who have played Sylar, not people that Sylar has impersonated. His alias list similarly excludes people he has impersonated. Please discuss instead of immediately reversing these changes. --Ted C 10:13, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Practical question

  • How are we going to refer to Sylar as Nathan, when updating things? Do we just call him Nathan and link to Sylar's page? --Stevehim 14:38, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I guess... It would be annoying to write "Nathan" each time, but Sylar may be confusing... -- Altes 05:11, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
  • We could combine names like Sylthan or Nylar possibly -Vampirate68 09:35, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

In other articles, I've been saying the first time as "Sylar, shape shifted as so-and-so, does such-and-such" and then refer to him as Sylar until the next scene, where it's restated that he is in another appearance. --Crazyaspie 15:53, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Peter Petrelli?

  • It says he shifted into Peter, but I don't recall him doing that in the season finale. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:29, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
    • He didn't truly shift into him, but if you watch the scene where Sylar shakes "the President's" hands, he shapeshifts rapidly, and he partially shapeshifts into Peter. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:53, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Thanks, and I would have figured that would be the case since he was shapeshifting rapidly into people. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 23:11, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

New Powers Section

i've never edited a page before.

can't you just make a small section in sylar's category called 'Possibly Aquired Abilities' and put in flight and puppet master or whatever and write an example about when he demonstrated aspects of those abilities? You could also put in some other abilities that sylar might have.

But he flew with telekinesis, not with flight, and the PuppetMaster, Doyle, show for us about his ability can be telekinesis (see how he close the door on Nowhere Man, Part 4. Gabrielense 12:18, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

It's unconfirmed info, so it doesn't get listed. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:25, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

While it is unconfirmed, I think Sylar may have picked up abilities using the empath bit of his abilities (He uses clairsentience to find out more about them, thereby taking their abilities without ripping their heads off) -Beta wolf | Talk
Like I said, if it's a may, even a likely one, it doesn't get listed because it's not confirmed. Also, clairsentience doesn't allow him to acquire abilities, what it does is give Sylar info that he needs in order to connect with the person whose power he replicates. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:40, 25 May 2009 (EDT)

I still think we should go for it. We say that he MAY have been using those abilities on their pages, and on the telekinesis page. Why don't we have a section on Sylar's ability section listing abilities he MIGHT have? Or at least a note in the Notes section.

Also regarding the ability section, it says that the abilities he gained pre-Shanti virus were suppressed by said virus, and then says that after he got cured of said virus, he "collected the following abilities." However, it says nothing about LOSING the abilities he had pre-Shanti virus. Hasn't it been confirmed that he lost those abilities (Though I believe they were merely suppressed, considering how they were obtained--through deep hurting understanding.)? If so, shouldn't the article say that?--ERROR 22:04, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Maybe a Totally Different Ability

I was watching um, The Invisible Thread episode again. I downloaded it... :) anyways. i heard that the sound effects sylar used when he was manipulating claire were completely different from when Doyle would control his victims. is it possible its a new ability? or what? --Scorvi12 23:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

It was just telekinesis, Claire was struggling. When Doyle used his puppet mastery, the person being controlled didn't struggle. This issue was talked before, please search this info before posting stuff like this. Thanx - Discipol

To clear up a few things, they were the exact same sound effects as Doyle's ability. Additionally, people DID struggle while under the hold of Eric Doyle using his ability. The previous topic can be found on this same page: Talk:Sylar#Totally_has_puppet_mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:30, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

DID HE FORGET CLAIRSENTIENCE?

I recently was watching Volume 4 over again, and realised something. in chapters 1 and 2, Sylar takes that guy captive, the soldier of Danko's, right. He keeps him alive because he wants to know information about who he works for. Why didn't he use his clairsentience like he did near the end of the volume. I know the writers probably only didn't use this so he could meet Luke, but still? Really? Anyone else dissappointed at this?--Mc hammark 06:07, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Alias: Rebel

Sylar never went by Rebel in the show. When Tom Miller asked him if he was Rebel, Sylar said he was a rebel. He never actually went by Rebel, unless I'm missing something. --Crazyaspie 21:58, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Sylar morphed into Micah in I Am Sylar and thus took his alias. -- Altes 14:41, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

A theory how Sylar used to disappear

Our beloved Cockney Heroes fanfic has described an ability such as "shadow mimicry", which allows its user to become an ethereal shape... and to hide in the dark. If you think Sylar always used telekinesis to hide, remember How to Stop an Exploding Man: Peter and HRG stood at Kirby Plaza, and Sylar wasn't seen anywhere, not even floating in the air. Guess he was "hiding in plain sight", like Peter said... for example, under HRG's feet. -- Altes 14:46, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

  • No such ability was ever suggested to exist. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes it was, the assignment tracker map mentions a shady figure seen in Reno, NV. -- Altes 02:11, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Was the person listed as deceased? If not, Sylar didn't get to him/her. We've also seen all abilities Sylar has taken since Shanti Virus, and considering he also disappeared impossibly before getting Claire's ability, his first after recovering, it can't be it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:17, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
        • Dunno. I was talking about Sylar's powers before he was infected. That guy from Reno might not be the only one with shadow mimicry, or the ATM simply is unaware he is dead. And how Sylar disappeared while chasing Claire in her home - he only had TK then. So I have no idea. Anyway, shadow mimicry is a mere speculation. -- Altes 05:08, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
          • also remember that after getting the Shanti virus Sylar was left with just Telekineses:Sylar clearly used his hiding in plain sight technique on Clair in The second coming --Tsmarg
            • Well, if Sylar had only telekinesis then, he wasn't using anything else. But in How to Stop an Exploding Man he couldn't hide anywhere. -- Altes 12:43, 21 June 2009 (EDT)