Talk:Arthur Petrelli

Finally... a hint on his power

• Bob says "With Claire's blood, Claire might become a major player. The next Linderman. The next Arthur Petrelli." 03:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
  • His power yes, as in power over the Company, not his special ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • That's what I was thinking, too.--Ice Vision 13:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • Me too. Bob says: "...you could be taking orders from her in a few years".--Hgjgkjgk 16:15, 11 December 2007 (EST)
  • It's a little weird that the Company is so obsessed with Claire's blood. I mean, until the end of Season One, they had Adam in custody. You'd think they'd have all magic blood they wanted.--14:00, 11 December 2007 (EST)
    • I'm pretty sure that's why they kept him alive (even though there's no evidence of them using his blood). "With Claire's blood" could be taken both figuratively (evolved granddaughter of the last Arthur Petrelli, the 2 evolved parent thing) and literally (an untainted, non-maniacal evil person with healing blood, unlike the locked-up Adam). Bob expected that they would one day take in Claire for tests (as Thompson stated), eventually promote her to Agent status (like Elle was), and eventually make her way up past Claude and Haitian status to be a senior agent/leader (presumably replacing some of the old Company leaders).--Tim Thomason 18:30, 11 December 2007 (EST)
      • Who needs Adam's blood when Linderman can heal anyone he wants? No extraction needed. --Aldrius 21:39, 4 January 2008 (EST)
        • Linderman can't heal the dead. If Adam's blood has limitations, they would need Claire. Also, its always good to have a spare. And, experiments are nothing with out a few test subjects. Nonredhead 5 June 2008 (EST)

NBC Promo

A promo that aired during Life this past Friday: One man has pulled all the strings. He is the father of 3 heroes (showed pictures of Nathan, Sylar, & Peter in that order). The leader of the villians and Monday we finally meet him. That either conculusively proves Arthur is the father of all 3 or Angela had an affair or more than one affair. --Snow Leapord 11:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

• Yep, that'll be enough to say that all 3 boys are Arthur's...once the episode airs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
  • This promo bothered me alot. They don't usually make promo's so spoilery.--Riddler 18:35, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Seriously... really didn't leave much to the imagination... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Also, I like how they listed Sylar as a hero. :O Foreshadowing? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I forgot about this promo. Technically, it's still a spoiler, and technically the world of Heroes has not yet revealed who Sylar's biological dad is...but I'm not going to argue this or make any changes one way or another. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Occupation

As far as we know, he's not the head of Pinehearst, is he? --Aburu 21:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

• He seems to be the highest shown so far, as Maury kisses his ass to no end.--Riddler 21:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • True, though that could just be his fear of someone so powerful. I was just trying to figure out if there's enough evidence to label him as the leader on the Pinehearst page --Aburu 21:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It didn't look like Arthur had any power at all just lying on the bed though --Rayhond 22:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Ah yes, but power isn't always limited to abilities. --Aburu 22:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • The only affiliation that we know Arthur has with Pinehearst is that he is using their machines to stay alive. We don't know anything of his leadership or even membership in the organization. Maury could just have respect for the guy (which why wouldn't he, they helped form the Company together 30 years ago) and it may have nothing at all to do with Pinehearst. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I'm inclined to believe that Arthur, even in his current state, can mess Maury up real good and is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, that "you wont be able to move" thing to Angela in her dream...something about that says Watch Out! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
        • We still don't know if that was Arthur's power and not Maury's. I'm inclined to believe Maury put her in that state.--Nonredhead 11:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Redirect "Arthur" here?

I think maybe we should redirect "Arthur" to this page, since now that Arthur Petrelli is a major player, people will probably be looking for him most of the time.--Aburu 14:56, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

• Good ideer. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Power: Ability Theft

I motion that Arthur's ability is actually the power to steal others' abilities. He stole Adam's regeneration, leading to him aging 400 years in seconds since he could no longer stay immortal.

This would also make Arthur the empath Claude knew before Peter.

Which episode did Claude say that in? Also if was an Empath Mimicker like Peter Petrelli why would he need to touch Adam Monroe's hand? If he was an Empath Mimicker he wouldn't have needed Adam to be there since Empath Mimickers absorb it the first time they are around the power and he would have been around Adam several times when The Company was first founded and for a time after it's founding. Another if he was an Empath Mimicker it wouldn't have killed Adam in the fashion of making him age 400 or so years in seconds. This episode also seems to imply that he has Telepathy like Matt and Maury, that or Adam just knew based on his past experience with Arthur and what he would do to others and how. Plus you need to sign your comments here. --Snow Leapord 21:27, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

He needs to touch someone to steal their powers. It's like a more violent mix of Sylar and Peter. --Plot_Device 21:45, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Okay, now I think it's even more clear: I called it above in the unsigned post. --Plot_Device 22:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Could this be an advanced form of Aura absorption? --Xepeyon 22:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

• Maybe, but doesn't Aura absorption also mean that you take the life energy of the person you are using the power on? Peter didn't die when his power was taken, and it can be argued that Adam died because he couldn't regenerate any more. --OprahDust 22:13, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • For now, shouldn't it just be "Arthur's ability"?--Aburu 22:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Correct, for now it has to be Arthur's ability until we either are given a name or there's consensus on what it is. (Admin 22:22, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
  • I'd say it's closer to Aura Absorption than Empathic Mimicry, since Arthur STEALS the abilities instead of copies them... JackOfBloodyHearts 22:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I would say Ability Theft is the best term for the power since it doesn't limit the power to just empathy or auras.--Plot Device 22:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't it be added that he took Empathic mimicry? Peter couldn't copy powers his future self had, the only ability he was exposed to was his own, so to use lightning, wouldn't Arthur have absorbed empathic mimicry, with the abilities Peter had as a bonus? Intuitive Empath 12:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Peter's attempt to defend himself

I just changed the power that Peter was intending to use from Telekinesis to Lightning. Since that was the only power either of the Petrellis used actively in that scene (excepting, of course, Arthur's ability), it would seem the logical choice. Ricard Desi 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Didn't Peter technically use Telekinesis to open the door while invisible?

--Plot Device 22:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

While invisible why would Peter need to use telekinesis to open the door? It's not like he is intangible, he could just open it with his hand like everyone else. --Snow Leapord 23:23, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

• I don't think it matters honestly what power Peter attempted to use on Arthur. We can't be certain. All we know is Peter tried to use an ability against Arthur, and it failed, thus implying that Peter had lost his abilities.--IDannPK 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Telepathy?

I don't think we can necessarily say that Arthur demonstrated telepathy (which is currently only listed in the right hand sidebar thing for "Known abilities"). All we saw was him and Maury mentally "talking" to each other. As we saw with Angela when she mentally "talked" to Matt, it minimally only takes one telepath for "communication". -- prander 00:32, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

• I was confused at first, too. The telepathy is referring to when he used it on Adam Monroe. If you check the scene again you can see/hear it. (Admin 00:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
  • Really? I must've missed that, and I didn't record it or anything... -- prander 01:52, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I was about to say the same thing about Telepathy. I had thought that Adam Monroe simply knew of Arthur, and knew what he planned by bringing Adam there. Adam didn't near to hear Arthur's thoughts to know that Arthur wanted to take his power. Besides. Arthur's really going to say "Hello Adam. I have brought you here to take your power. Sorry."? What a strange thing to say. I think Adam probably knew what Arthur was capable of, and what it meant for him, and was thus terrified. Although, technically now it seems Arthur "has all of Peter's abilities", so technically he should probably have telepathy. But I don't think it's "confirmed yet". "Speculative", if anything.--IDannPK 11:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Did you replay the scene? Check out the audio and camera shots they used. (Admin 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
      • In the commentary for Dying of the Light, Chuck Kim spoke of the event as a "telepathic conversation"--Aburu 19:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
• Also of interest, looks like for dramatic reasons and ease of storytelling, Maury answered Arthur's initial questions out loud while looking kind of nervous. --Torley 08:42, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
  • • • It's been confirmed by the commentary the mind reading lens was used in the Arthur Adam scene in 3.6, and he was talking to Adam in his head. So, I think it's save to assume he put Angela in her coma.
• In the new episode (Eris Quod Sum) Arthur said that Maury helped him a lot. For me this is proof, that he got Telepathy from Maury Parkman. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 05:55, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • By help he could mean Daphne and the recruiting of other evolved humans, Maury he wouldn't let him hurt Matt, he wouldn't say that if he had no means to pose a threat to Arthur. Intuitive Empath 11:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • if Arthur had gotten Telepathy from Maury, Maury wouldn't have it no more.--Elchafa 17:15, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I believe the assumption is that Arthur got telepathy from someone other than Maury. --Ted C 17:19, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • You seem to ignore the fact that Maury created the Linderman illusion for Daphne after we see Arthur use telepathy on Adam. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:17, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • And Maury had been using it with Nathan for some time. (I think it's correct to suppose Maury was using the Linderman trick on Nathan as well, right?)--Elchafa 17:30, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • So then that means Arthur would have to get the ability from someone else. Also i dont think Arthur as the ability to send illusions to people that far away from him i.e. Daphne in the airport. --Sylarversion2 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Couldn't the conversation between Arthur and Adam have been facilitated through Maury? I'm not sure we can say for sure that it was Arthur alone using the ability, which is why I had removed it from the list. Was it conclusive that Maury wasn't there?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I'm pretty sure Maury was at JFK during that time. Plus, there wouldn't really be any reason for Maury to not be shown if he was the one facilitating the telepathy. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:58, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I'm not sure if he was or wasn't in the room at the time. Can someone check the video?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I just watched the scene where Adam is killed, and Maury is not visible in the room (only Knox and Arthur's doctor are). Maury's physical location is, imo, immaterial one way or the other, as not being in the room doesn't preclude him from being nearby and using his power (since he doesn't have to be in the room to use it). Conversely, Maury being in the room deosn't mean he was the one facilitating the conversation (as just being there doesn't mean he's using his power). Since they didn't specifically show Maury facilitating the conversation, it's speculation to say he did so, regardless of his location at the time. As to whether the scene indicates Arthur had telepathy on his own or not, while I agree with MaimiVolts that other possibiities exist, I think it is enough evidence to say he demonstrated the power. --Stevehim 00:47, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
          • His not being in the room at the time leads me to believe the writers intended for Arthur to have gotten the power himself from someone other than Maury, so I'm fine now with telepathy remaining on Arthur's demonstrated abilities list. Thanks for checking, Stevehim.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:32, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
            • No problem. My leg is already predisposed toward being pulled to watch and rewatch Heroes.  ;) --Stevehim 12:46, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

How ironic..

...That Arthur's ability involves stealing the powers of others, and his two sons, who where born with abilities naturally, both have powers that involve absorbing the powers of others. Where as Nathan who had his powers artiffically induced, does not. :S --(. .') 12:11, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

• Deliciously ironic! I also wonder if Arthur deliberately chose to give Nathan flight, or if it was a random power they didn't have much control over. As in, "We can artificially give a human powers, but we don't know what it's going to be." (And if undesired, what's the means for trying again? To be revealed, I hope.) --Torley 08:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Could Peter mimic Arthur? Hierarchy of powers?

Things sure are getting interesting! In the earliest episodes of Heroes, every hero had a unique power, but with more of the comic books and continued development, we've seen that develop into several characters who can copy/absorb powers, as well as the whole scientific take of artificially adding powers to a human. We've also observed characters that have the same basic power but express it in different ways (Isaac's vs. Usutu's aesthetic style) or have different levels of adeptness (Matt vs. Maury Parkman).

So that leaves me wondering: since Peter has empathic mimicry, wouldn't standing near his Dad enable him get all his powers back? Of course, his Dad — with this meta-power — may have a way of blocking others from copying/taking his absorbed powers, not unlike how the Haitian negates powers, or how Maury can block lesser telepaths from getting into his mind.

I suspect things aren't going to get so complicated as to involve complex polygonal dice rolls, but the power structure is interesting to muse about nonetheless. Let me know your thoughts! --Torley 08:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

• Standing near Arthur would presumably allow Peter to mimic Arthur's ability, except that Empathic mimicry is almost certainly one of the abilities that Arthur took away from Peter (otherwise Peter would have immediately "re-mimicked" all of his other abilities from Arther, and his counter-attack would have worked). --Ted C 11:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Good thinking. Some of these arrangements really call for logic. I'm not calling for Heroes to turn into a Street Fighter-like game, but it'd be pretty cool to see more intense fights with rapid "blocks", "parries", and "counter-attacks". But hm, if Arthur has empathic mimicry now, then he's likely got Knox's, Flint's, Daphne's, etc. (unless he hugged them earlier, too ;) ) --Torley 12:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Some interesting thoughts here, what about this, could Arthur actually absorb powers that Peter never used before like Peter absorbed his father's ability and he also aborbed Mental Manipulation from The Haitian, Alchmeny from Bob and so on... maybe he still has those powers. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 11:02, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Since sylars power took more than genes to unlock (some logic insight), could it be that Peter subconsciently "unlocked" other peoples powers through empathy. In that case Arthur might simply lack the mental part of unlocking Peters power, although he would have it "on the paper". This theory is entirely based on the fact that arthur + empathic mimicry (or whatever you guys call it) would be too much to swallow. His power is mean as it is. Apart from that, the scene where Peter gains Sylars power supports my thoughts.--Lokomono (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

• Guess he couldn't do it after all...--Futurepeter (talk) 05:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

It doesnt make sense that peter should have lost all his abilities. Surely with his empathic mimicry seeing his dad and thinking about him should have triggered an immediate use of his dad's ability so when arthur touched peter there should have been some sort of counter movement-arthur takes peter's ability and peter takes all. But perhaps more than a touch is needed maybe you need to concentrate. Its quite confusing. --Legendeer 8:40, 14 November 2008 (EDT)

• That's not always the case, Peter's mimicking power doesn't always trigger instantaneously. I think it makes sense the Arthur took his power. -Rainman 12:53, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Telekinesis

How do we know he got telekinesis from Peter? He might have it before stealing powers from Peter. --Hellknight

First, SIGN your comments. Second, we know Peter had the ability, we know Arthur stole the ability from Peter, until proven otherwise to say Arthur got it from anyone but Peter would be speculation and speculation isn't allowed. --Snow Leapord 12:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

• We don't have any clue about how he got that ability, if it is before or after stealing Peter's abilities. So i think it is more appropriate to say "Telekinesis from an unknown source". --Hellknight 12:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The first time Arthur demonstrated the use of Telekinesis was after stealing all of Peter's abilities. To say it is from an unknown source would be speculation when the evidence as it is now says he got it from Peter first, later if they prove it was from some other Evolved Human then we can change it. --Snow Leapord 09:41, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • So by your logic, we can't say Arthur stole lightning from Peter. It's irrational to be completely objective about circumstances like this. It's perfectly safe to assume that Arthur got telekinesis from Peter. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:45, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yes, it is only logical to assume that every power that Arthur uses now which Peter once had (and wasn't previously demonstrated by Arthur before stealing Peter's powers) was stolen from Peter. Yes, it is an assumption like all other assumptions we make when we INFER understanding from the show, because there is a chance that he may have had some of the powers before. However, to presume otherwise (that he had some of Peter's powers [before he demonstrated that he could use them] before he took them from Peter) would be less logical than to assume he got them from Peter, because we at least have some evidence that he got them from Peter whereas we have zero evidence that he got them from anywhere else. --Logic[] 12:43, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

The Hunger

• I don't really agree with the decision they made on Arthur stealing Peter's ability. Think of this: Peter's ability is Empathic Mimicry, and ONLY that. the other powers (Sylar's power, invisibility, flight, etc.) he doesn't TECHNICALLY have them, so I think Arthur should not have been able to steal them. Now, since he actually CAN and DID steal those powers, why isn't Sylar's HUNGER manifesting on Arthur...?--Elchafa 17:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Every power has a physical component in the blood's chemistry. Peter's power is that his DNA is able to mimic the DNA of other evolved humans thus generating the same chemical component. His blood remembers how just like white blood cells remember viruses they encountered. This chemical component is what Arthur can remove. Therefore he can steal all mimiced powers as well. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I guess for the same reason he was immediately able to control Maya's power after he took it. By pure force of will or because of his advanced age and experience with other people's powers. --Tordmor 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • that just doesn't seem right for me. i don't know...--Elchafa 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I agree as well. Arthur seems to be more adept at using abilities in general than even those who naturally possess them. Perhaps he's absorbed an ability that allows him to do this... perhaps he's just smart. But whatever the case may be, there's no arguing that he has control over things. And stuff. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:21, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Behind The Eclipse 5 states without a shadow of doubt that Arthur does not have the hunger, which either means the hunger is not jointed at the metaphorical hip with IA or Arthur doesn't have IA. If Arthur doesn't have IA that would mean Peter still does. --Snow Leapord 13:55, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

• I'm not sure how much I trust their answer due to it's brevity, the fact that BTE is not canon, and since it is, technically, contradicted by canon (thus far). He absorbed all of Peter's abilities, Peter had IA, IA comes with the Hunger...thus Arthur should have the Hunger. IA would also account for Arthur's high level of control over his newly absorbed powers (especially since he got a whole boatload at once). --Stevehim 14:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
  • But IA/the hunger has to be activated. - Josh (talk/contribs) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • True. They could've meant he doesn't have it yet, and won't have it as long as he doesn't use IA. That still leaves the question of how he is able to control these abilities so well, though. --Stevehim 15:50, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yeah, I agree with Josh. I've kind of always seen "the hunger" as an aspect of Sylar's ability (and Peter's absorbed ability) that has to be activated. In my view (which, don't get me wrong, is supported by evidence, but is still theoretical), Peter had already absorbed the ability in Homecoming, but he didn't activate it until I Am Become Death. Likewise, Sylar always had the ability (that's what made him such a great watch repairman), but it wasn't until somewhere around the time he met another evolved human that the hunger aspect was somehow activated. I also believe (again, supported by evidence and statements from writers, but still theoretical) that Arthur has the ability, but "the hunger" part of the ability has not been activated. Hopefully it won't be activated--that would be really dangerous. Lots of blood, lots of gore, lots of raw chaos....On second thought, hopefully it will be activated soon! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I had thought the hunger was simply part of Sylars personality, which peter was empathising when he took IA from Gabriel. --UrNoob 17:05, 10 December 2008 (EST)
      • Agreed. Sylar's the only one with a drive to rip open people's heads like Christmas presents. Because he's Sylar. I don't consider what Peter did to future!Nathan and Angela to really be down to the Hunger itself (he was after information, not abilities, and everyone knows information isn't stored like that in the head). More than likely it was Peter being unable to control another ability properly (wouldn't be the first time!!), or the writers just feeling a need to make Peter the bad guy for all of two scenes. But of course, Arthur's possession of the Hunger is second-hand from Peter, so that's where the question lies... and to be honest, I think Hunger is just something inherent to who Sylar is: greedy, voracious, but never satisfied. It's the sort of name he'd come up with, after all... --AmbroBaby 17:16, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Absorbed power that's not listed

• I believe Arthur has some sort of psychic strength, or does he break Maury's neck with maybe, Telekinesis?--Elchafa 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I thought it was obvious that was telekinesis. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:37, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • it wasn't for me. sorry if this was a stupid question to ask jaja--Elchafa 17:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • That's alright. :) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:46, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

At first I thought is was the manifestation of Niki's power that he got from Peter, but upon rewatching several times it is definately TK. --Snow Leapord 13:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Possible template

Since Arthur stole Peter's ability, that would include his main power, emphatic mimicry. While he was shown to absorb, or at least give preference to his own ability when it comes to getting a new one, if he does have Peter's core ability, we might need arthurmimicked and arthurexposed templates, in case he does end up using that ability, consciously or not. Does this make any sense? Intuitive Empath 17:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

• Instead of having an ArthurMimicked & ArthurStolen templates why not rework the ArthurStolen template to be one template for all powers Arthur has demonstrated the use of, what that would be called I don't know. A template for him being exposed to is not a bad idea. --Snow Leapord 09:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
  • While I agree a template for ArthurExposed is a good idea, at the moment there is nothing to add to it since gaining the ability of Empathic Mimicry every person Arthur has been near so far so has Peter, thus all their powers Peter would have had when he had all his stolen. Until he is near someone that Peter has never been near before or Sylar takes on a new ability that Peter hasn't mimicked or been exposed to there is nothing we could add that Arthur himself hasn't been exposed to, unless you want to add the powers that Peter were exposed to to that list. I hope that made sense. --Snow Leapord 12:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Related to this, the most recent Behind the Eclipse interview pretty much confirmed Arthur has empathic mimicry, they said he can choose with which power he can take on a new ability. I think that should be added. Intuitive Empath 19:22, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
      • That I agree with to a degree, but I think we should leave any powers that Arthur has stolen but not demonstrated off the list until he does so, because as it is on the show by two characters they have stated explicitly that Peter has absolutely no powers at all and Arthur has all the powers Peter used to have, which would mean every power Peter ever demonstrated could be added. --Snow Leapord 13:59, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Arthurs ability is related to Sylars and Peters

Sylar understands things through logic allowing him to take abilities. Peter understands through Emotion allowing him to copy abilities and Arthur is able to take abilities probably through observation i.e he said he takes everything which probs means he enters a state where he can observe a persons abilities and make an empathic link which allows him to take them. so he basicly takes powers through both logic and empathy.--Jacobm7 (talk) 21:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't think Arthur's ability has anything to do with logic or empathy. He just touches the person and poof - their abilities are gone. Also, please sign your posts from now on by typing "~~~~" Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Power Control.

Arthur seems to have perfect control of any ability he absorbs instantly. I wonder if this is another aspect of his own power or just due to experience over his life? --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 01:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Infobox

I changed the heading of the abilites we're listing to be more accurate. It's not speculation to say he has all of Peter's powers (it's been confirmed by canon several times by at least two different characters), so that list is actually what he's demonstrated. I also disagree with Poison Emission being listed, as he hasn't demonstrated the ability itself; his eyes turning black isn't actually the ability (eg - we don't assume that Hiro and Matt's eyes turning white means they have Precognition, though I admit there is a difference since it was induced by the dung/root paste). It could simply be a sign that Arthur has absorbed the power...the actual power is to emit poison, which he has yet to demonstrate. --Stevehim 04:02, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

We'll never know for sure that he actually absorbed all of those abilities until he actually demonstrates them. I think the old heading was fine, and changing it to the current one raised the issue of the demonstration of poison emission. Imho, I think it's better to not include several unconfirmed abilities rather than omit one that we know him to have. If you don't mind, I'm changing the heading back to the original one. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm not going to revert it, but I'm not sure why we have to see him demonstrate an ability to know he's absorbed it when it's been stated that he has by both him and Peter. This is a bit of a different situation than Peter unknowingly absorbing abilities, which is where the absorved/demonstrated discrepancy arose. Arthur seems to know about the abilities he's absorbed (he uses TK without seeing Peter do so). He also states "You don't have your powers anymore, Peter...I have them. This should be sufficient canonical evidence to say that he's absorbed all of the powers Peter had. --Stevehim 00:01, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

I agree with you there for the most part. It's just that we just can't be absolutely certain until Arthur's actually demonstrated the abilities. And my point still stands about having several unconfirmed abilities omitted rather than having one confirmed ability omitted. Besides, the header right now seems to satisfy both sides... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:08, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Poison emission

When did Arthur demonstrate Poison emission? The only instance I can recall offhand of him showing he had the ability was his eyes turning black, but that doesn't qualify as demonstrating the ability, imo, as the poison was not emitted, and nobody was affected by it. I took it more as showing that he had acquired the ability , rather than having used it. --Stevehim 13:52, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Keep in mind that it used to be "Known powers absorbed." You changed it to "abilities demonstrated," which is probably the source of your confusion. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:17, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

I agree that the heading you changed it to is the best one to use, but it still brings into question whether poison emission was demonstrated or not. I don't believe it was, and so shouldn't be on the list. It's a relatively minor issue, but, imo, it's currently an inaccuracy. --Stevehim 00:13, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

The darkened eyes after the absorption were just to show Mohinder that he absorbed it. Would he have demonstrated the ability then Maya would suffer from it, so no he didn't demonstrate the ability yet. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 07:34, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

I actually didn't change it to that heading. :P I believe MiamiVolts did. But poison emission still falls under the category of "absorbed," does it not? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:16, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Posion emission was certainly absorbed, but if we're saying that the heading means only one of the criteria is needed to qualify, and should be changed to or. And then I'd still have a problem with the idea that the absorption of Peter's powers is unconfirmed until demonstrated, as it was specifically stated. We take characters' words for other things without having to see a demonstration that they're telling the truth...why would that not apply here? --Stevehim 12:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

This is not about a heading or a syntactical use of language. Arthur clearly demonstrated the ability. (See Image:This child is clean.jpg.) There's nothing in the definition of poison emission that says the user has to affect others in order to demonstrate the ability (or if there is, it should be changed). Maya has not killed everybody in her vicinity every time she has used the ability. The eyes of the ability's owner turning black is clearly demonstrating the ability, even if it's only for a moment. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)

That's actually incorrect. "Poison emission is the ability to emit a deadly poison, which can kill people in one's vicinity."

From Merriam-Webster: emit:

1. a: to throw or give off or out (as light or heat) b: to send out : eject
2. a: to issue with authority ; especially : to put (as money) into circulation b: obsolete : publish
3. to give utterance or voice to <emitted a groan>

There is no definition of 'emit' that doesn't include some external function. As for Maya not killing everyone every time the power was used, that's not really the issue, as poison doesn't have to necessarily kill. The question is whether we've ever seen her use it and the people around her not be affected at all. Like I siad earlier, the user's eyes turning black is not the power...it's a side effect of it, similar to how precogs eyes turn white. If you consider that a demonstration of the power, then we should list Hiro as having demonstrated precognition simply because his eyes changed. I won't revert it for now, but I would like to discuss it further, as I don't see it as having been demonstrated at all. --Stevehim 22:13, 8 November 2008 (EST)

• I think we need to assume the poison was emitted but not long enough to cause anyone else harm. If I recall correctly, we also counted nerve gas emission as a demonstrated ability even though we couldn't be sure the nerve gas was actually in the guy's sweat in the novel and no one ended up getting killed from it. This is a similar situation, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • I certainly don't want to be using the dictionary to define whether or not Arthur demonstrated the ability. And if the word "emit" is the issue, well then we need a new name for the ability--the name of the ability (which is derived from a word Tim Kring used in a commentary) should also not dictate whether or not Arthur used the ability. Black eyes is undeniably linked to demonstrations of the power, even if only for a moment. I think it's fine to say that he's demonstrated it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • I don't think it really needs to be changed (and thus withdraw my objection to it being listed as demonstrated), as I can accept the idea that it was used for a split second and turned off (though I still don't think that's what happened). However, if that's the case, then shouldn't white eyes indicate precognition (except when it indicates death) being used, even if no vision fo the future is seen, painted, etc, based on the same reasoning? --Stevehim 18:20, 9 November 2008 (EST)
      • The precognition discussion really doesn't belong on this page, but I think you are correct for the most part, as white eyes are normally meant to signify precognition. However, I'm not ready to say it is definitive proof that Hiro is experiencing precognition until we have more info on what is happening to him, as the white eyes may or may not be related to the paste/drugs he was given.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)
      • Pretty much, Stevehim. That's why Matt and Hiro's pictures are on the precognition page. It doesn't mean they have that ability (just as Ando has teleported numerous times, but he doesn't have the ability), just that they have displayed the ability. Think of it as ability extension. Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine talks a bit about this in a recent interview. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Latent Abilities

Since Arthur absorbed and used Lightning from Peter, who himself mimicked it, it goes to follow that Arthur has all of Peter's mimicked powers and all of Peter's exposed abilities latent. He also has Peters mimicry latent, which puts a few under Arthur's own exposed category. Currently, all of this info is buried in the notes section. Shouldn't this be put on a more visible location, like the Abilities section? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. --Stevehim 00:14, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Is Chuck's confirmation that Arthur absorbed empathic mimicry enough for the power to be at the known abilities absorbed section at the infobox or is that area exclusive to info we get from the show? Intuitive Empath 14:11, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

• Shouldn't the new abilities Arthur demonstrated in Villians be listed on the main page, such as persuasion because of what was said to Angela Petrelli to make her agree to Nathan's murder. Linderman also mentioned that he could heal the damage that Arthur did when forcing thoughts into Angelas head and when he erased her memories. Could Arthur have the same ability as the Haitian?--Giveitdeath 17:22, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Arthur appears to be using Telepathy for this in much the same way that Maury Parkman and Matt Parkman can alter the thoughts of other people. Telepathy is already a listed ability for Arthur. --Ted C 17:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
• Im sorry but i don't agree, if it was just telepathy then there would be no need for the Haitians memory removal ability to be in the series, someone with telepathy could just be used instead.--Giveitdeath 17:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • I can only call it as I see it. There is no real evidence that Arthur's ability to control Angela's thoughts was anything but advanced telepathy. If I recall right, he didn't even erase her memory, he just made her believe that what he had done was necessary and appropriate, and that change to her personality was what Linderman healed. --Ted C 17:41, 11 November 2008 (EST)
• Linderman said that Arthur erased Angelas memories.--Giveitdeath 17:44, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Even so, I don't see that as necessarily outside the scope of telepathy. Technically, Hiro could duplicate Daphne's super-speed at will with his ability to manipulate time, but we don't dispute that because he's duplicating an ability with more limited scope. --Ted C 17:46, 11 November 2008 (EST)
• Arthur commanded her to forget the same way Eden commanded her stepmother to die, it's like a loop hole, if you can't actively erase the memory, but you can order the brain to do something, you can order it to forget. Intuitive Empath 17:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Powers list on main page

It should not just list all the abilities he's "demonstrated", but everyone that he has. It is obvious that he has ALL of Peter's powers and that he has Maya's power, even if he hasn't actually demonstrated their use. It is entirely unreasonable to assume otherwise, and concordantly, inaccurate to list only the ones he's used. If, for some reason, you feel you MUST also list the ones he's demonstrated, you could list them all and note which ones he's demonstrated with a little star (*) or (d) or whatever next to them. I'm pretty sure the black eyes is enough for me to show that Arthur has Maya's ability, but even that's not listed there. There is no reason to be so conservative with listing his abilities. --Logic[] 12:56, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

• What about the abilities Peter was exposed to, but never demonstrated? They should probably also be listed there, but I'm not sure of the best way to phrase to accompanying sentence. Technically, they should all fall under the current list of abilities Arthur has acquired but has yet to demonstrate, but they should also be separated from the ones Peter had demonstrated before being stolen. Right now, it's in the notes section, but it should probably be moved to the abilities section. --Stevehim 20:15, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Dr. Evil?

Does anyone else think that Arthur talks kinda like Dr. Evil from Austin Powers. Especially when he says "Come give your father a hug," in Dying of the Light. Compare that to Dr. Evil's last line in this video.--PrometheusMMIV 16:16, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Artificial Ability

My theory is that Arthur's power stealing ability is artificial, and that the ring that he wears gives him the ability. In last night's episode, he didn't seem to have any power besides the telepathy based ones. I also think that he commissioned the mission to video Sylar using his ability: HRG pointedly refers to Sylar's ability as the ability to move powers from one vessel to another, and then later mentions that the video tape would be studied extensively. So I think that Arthur used what he learned from that video to build a power stealing ring. This would explain why getting footage of Sylar was worth letting him kill again to the company. Thoughts? --Hollie Maea 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Definitely... not. Intuitive Empath 14:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)

OK...thanks for all the detailed reasons you gave :\ --Hollie Maea 14:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Your theory stops working the moments you suggested the ring gives him his ability, there's nothing in the show which even remotely suggests something like that. Intuitive Empath 16:18, 11 November 2008 (EST)

What is the significance of the ring then? They wouldn't have made a big deal out of showing it if it weren't significant.

It's essentially his symbol, much like the glasses to HRG.Exproject 00:52, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I've had the same theory except the ring part. All of the last episode he demonstrated no powers in the past except telepathy. (unless its been demonstrated in some webisode/graphic novel) I was thinking more along the lines that he had his additional powerstealing ability created for him after he was poisoned using pinehearst with specific intent to use adam to heal himself. RyanB 07:36, 15 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think think that's the case, so far all artificial powers demonstrated weren't as advanced as Arthur's ability. Also, if he had his power stealing created after the poisoning then Peter and Sylar wouldn't have inherited a similar ability to his. -Rainman 12:38, 19 November 2008 (EST)

If the power one gets artificially is based on genetics then it is possible he got a power near identical to his two power hungry children if it was artificially induced. --Snow Leapord 13:02, 19 November 2008 (EST)

If that was the case then Nathan would have gotten a much better power than Flight. -Rainman 13:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Not necessarily, his genetics might not be predisposed to being power hungry, there are thousands of different possible genetic combinations between Arthur & Angela, any one of them could have eliminated the predisposition to be a power hungry synthetically evolved human. --Snow Leapord 13:39, 19 November 2008 (EST)

I wouldn't categorize Peter as power hungry, though I do agree on the part where you said there could be many different genetic combinations between Arthur and Angela. Still, Nathan got the short end of the stick when it comes to the family gene pool.-Rainman 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)

• My theory is that Arthur's ability is synthetic, for a different reason. The formula, designed by Victoria, was shown to Arthur via Linderman, and, being jealous of people with powers, injected himself and got the perfect power to support his jealousy - the ability to render others' powerless while making himself greater. Kaito, knowing Arthur's true motives, then injected the last part of the formula into an unsuspecting person, and that is what led to Kaito leaving the Company. --DocM 15:46, 20 November 2008 (EST)

All of Peter's Abilities?

Of all other the powers Peter had at the time of his depowering, Arthur has only demonstrated Lightning and Telekinesis. My theory is that perhaps he does -not- have access to the other powers that Peter had, because he did not witness him demonstrate them. Is it possible that power absorption only works on those abilities that Arthur consciously tries to absorb. Why then, does Peter not have any of his other abilities? Because he only had access to them through Empathic Mimicry, (which it is implied in Arthur and Angela's conversation in "Villians" Arthur also had knowledge of) he can no longer access. What do you think? Dumpster juice 18:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

It could be similar to the situation when Peter had all Sylar's powers but only used telekinesis. Arthur has all Peter's powers but doesn't know what powers he now has, and therefore cannot use any of those which he hasn't seen Peter use. --Gianni23 10:22, 13 November 2008 (EST)Gianni23

Since it looks like we might never find out, what was the final word on this? Can we assume (based on Arthur's words) that he had all of Peter's abilities, to the point of doing things like listing Arthur on the enhanced strength page? --Stevehim 19:43, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A little hard to believe

Suspension of disbelief is necessary at times, but I wonder why Angela wasn't more thorough about making sure Arthur was dead before having him cremated. It's unclear whether she knew who Dr. Livitz was, but with both Angela and Arthur being masters of deception, the old rule holds true: "I won't believe he's dead unless I see a body!"

A possible explanation is she didn't want police (or anyone else) to find out Arthur was poisoned, casting suspicion on her. Or leave enough time for a Coroner's Inquest. So aside from the possibility of a benevolent doctor finding out what really happened — which didn't, because it was Dr. Livitz — I'm glad this was fairly well thought through. --Torley 00:50, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Spacetime manipulation

He probably used it to get to Africa, but until it's confirmed he did, shouldn't it be kept off "demonstrated"? Intuitive Empath 14:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, i think it should. meteoritu 17:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Empathic mimicry

Isn't Arthur accessing Peter's abilities through empathic mimicry? Peter didn't absorbed abilities like Sylar or Arthur, he needed his empathy to used them, like regeneration he had to access it rather than just heal like Claire. every time Arthur use one of Peter's abilities he is using empathic mimicry --JDeus01 15:53, 19 November 2008

• Actually that is consistent with canon source. The writers have stated that Peter was only exposed to empathic mimicry when he was with Future Peter. I like this explanation, but unfortunately he demonstartes electric manipulation and space time amanipulation before he met Elle or Hiro. D Toccs 03:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)
  • Not true: he was imprisoned by Elle in Four Months Ago for nearly four months that's how he got that power Four Months Later was chronologicaly after those events and as for Hiro he did have an encounter with Future Hiro or don't you remember "save the cheerleader, save the world?"
  • When did Peter exhibit electric manipulation before meeting Elle or space-time manipulation before meeting Hiro (or did you mean Arthur)? Peter absorbs only empathic mimicry when exposed to future versions of himself, but he has that power before ever coming into contact with them, so he doesn't really need to absorb it (I think the writers were just saying that Peter doesn't get all of Future Peter's abilities). With regards to Peter accessing his powers...I think he does absorb them permanently like Arthur and Sylar do (though in a different way). Mohinder's comment to Nathan about how Peter's ability works is very indicative of this, and we've seen Peter access powers he didn't even know he had (eg - Phasing, Regeneration, etc), indicating that Peter was able to use powers without consciously accessing his innate power of empathic mimicry. So I would say that Arthur absorbed all of the powers Peter had separately, and it wouldn't matter if he somehow lost empathic mimicry...he'd still have the rest of the powers. --Stevehim 03:46, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Power

Did he not use Mental manipulation on Hiro? Psilaq Remake 20:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)

He could have been using telepathy, like he did to Angela in Villains. We're not sure, though I'm more inclined to think it's mental manipulation. That's just me, though. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:15, 20 November 2008 (EST)

• I believe it was Mental manipulation because he grabbed Hiro's head. Psilaq Remake 21:58, 20 November 2008 (EST)
  • Even if he did, we can't list that ability until it's confirmed by a verifiable source. Intuitive Empath 08:37, 21 November 2008 (EST)
    • Right. As of now, it's unspecified and purposely ambiguous. That's the way it should be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2008 (EST)
      • In CBR's BTE Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete confirmed that he was using the Haitian’s ability. Should we add it to the list? --Powermimic 05:29, 25 November 2008 (EST)
        • I think it's safe to add to the list. Presumably, Peter had the ability in his system (from being exposed to the Haitian) but never knew about it, but Arthur knew about it once he absorbed it. Radicell 09:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
          • I'm not sure if Arthur got it from Peter, didn't Linderman tell Angela that Arthur had been removing memories and placing thoughts in her head? --Powermimic 23:10, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Telepathy source

It doesn't matter much whether we use Villains or Dying of the Light as the source for telepathy on this page. Both are valid sources, both have as much reason to be on the page as the other. Only one is needed, of course. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

• Don't earlier episodes have preference? If Villains is sourced, it implies that he didn't have, or at least didn't display it until that episode, which is incorrect. Intuitive Empath 10:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)
  • Nope, it doesn't imply anything, and earlier episodes don't have preference. By that logic, sourcing Dying of the Light would imply that Arthur didn't display the power until March 2007 since that episode takes place at a later chronological date. In the end, a source is just a source, and there's nothing that says that it has to be the first episode where it was demonstrated. Unless it's a table where it explicitly says something about the source being the first time something was displayed, any source will do. We typically use the first source because that's when we add it to the page, and there's no sense in updating the page just to change the source to another source which is equally valid. This particular case is an odd one since Dying of the Light aired before Villains, but takes place chronologically months after. I don't care what episode source is used, but I do care that there are tiny edit wars on the page. That shouldn't be happening. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)
    • I get it know, and if that's the case, I do prefer Villains as the source due to the chronology aspect. Intuitive Empath 11:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)
      • Does anyone object? If not I intend to change the source to Villains in a couple days. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)
        • I don't care one way or another. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Precog source?

On this page, we're saying that he got precog from Peter. on the page about his drawings we're saying he got it from Usutu. For consistency sake, which is it?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I changed it to Peter on the drawings page, since there is no evidence he stole Usutu's power before ripping his head off, but we know he absorbed all of Peter's powers, which would include precognition. --Stevehim 14:20, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I believe its the copy Peter got from Issac Mendez that he used. Speaking of which, while they never said which power did he use to kill Usutu??? I think it was Peter's super-strength copy but it was never said.

Comapny man?

Shouldn't we put him as the leader of the Company? He seemed to be more of Linderman's boss than an actual colleague. Besides the plan of New York Destruction wasn't originally his idea? --Manwithnoname 08:59, 5 December 2008 (EST)

• He did seem to be above Daniel, but we don't know how involved he was in Company affairs. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)
  • Right. About all we know for sure is that he helped found the Company. That doesn't necessarily make him a current leader. Angela wasn't the leader until Bob died. And before that, I believe Linderman was the leader. The scenes with Linderman and Arthur can just as easily be interpreted as Arthur intimidating Linderman with the threat of his power. "Sometimes I worry you're outliving your usefulness." I'd cave, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)
    • I actually got the impression from what he said that he had a major role in the Linderman Group and was the force behind Linderman and all that he did there.

Arthur's death

Is Arthur really dead because I hate to think that he'll suddenly regenerate or something and revive??? Some shows do that. One of my other favorite shows had a villian that just wouldn't die no matter how many times he was apparently killed. He was shot, blasted at from outer space, had his ship destroyed with him apparently on it and was finally thrown from a tower thousands of feet in the air. THAT finally killed him (the writters confirm his death) but it got so annoying that he kept coming back. He was a powerful foe like Arthur: being one of the galaxies most wanted dead he started building his own army claiming to need it for protection and survival. He created horrible things that were loyal only to him and finally settled on a human/alien hybrid that made current and Future Mohinder look normal. He built up an army of experiments and mercanaries, built bases, got himself a ship (never explained where that came from) and became one of the most powerful foes there were in the galaxy, so powerful that in the future he actually took over the galaxy and killed most of the charchters. He was an enemy to everyone both good and evil and it was somewhat the good guys fault he was this way: we experimented on him and while he did get away (after being shot and surviving) he became a pariah among his own kind and went insane. One of the charchters found this out after accidently traveling to the future in an episode somewhat reminisant of the times Peter and Hiro accidently travel to the future to find it horrible. After traveling back a battle ensues and the enemy is finally defeated and the future changed: his army and ship are destroyed, his bases are found and dismantled and the experiments that could be reverted back to human are reverted back, but he survives and surprises everyone when they all have relaxed due to believing he's dead. He makes a vie for a baby that will allow him to perfect his experiments and tries to kill everyone, but is defeated again, barley and is killed in a hand to hand fight on top of a tower when the mother of the baby he tried to kidnap knocks him off so he's holding on and at her mercy and like with Peter and Arthur, kills him by kicking his hands off as he's too dangerous to risk containing and getting away again. WarGrowlmon18 00:04, 9 December 2008

• And which show is that again? Bloodbath 06:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Stargate Atlantis, the enemy's name was Michael, he used to be what was called a Wraith, but we turned him human, he turned mostly back, got turned human again, mostly back again and then made himself a hybrid of both which he died as when he was thrown of Atlantis' tallest tower (yes, the Lost City of Atlantis).--WarGrowlmon18 10:53, 9 December 2008 (EST)
• Huh?--Bob (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)
• My sentiments exactly. - Tristan0709 00:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Rofl. To try and clarify things, I don't think Arthur will come back considering he was shot in the head, anything to do with damage to the brain, save for the branch in Claire's head, has been regarded as something there's no coming back from. Dracomaster4 00:16, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Honestly, I can't read all that huge paragraph, but Future Peter died the same way. --Ice Vision (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)
      • No he didn't: Future Peter was shot twice in the chest and died due to The Haitian blocking his powers. I think he was only able to regenerate that time Sylar killed him due to Claire being right there and his body mimicking her power due to her presence. I don't think he's really able to regenerate from all of the things Claire could. --WarGrowlmon18 05:26, 9 December 2008
        • Peter did regenerate after a piece of metal pierced his heart. He only died because the Haitian blocked his power, just like Arthur dying because the Haitian blocked his power. --Ice Vision (talk) 00:44, 9 December 2008 (EST)
          • No, Arthur regained his powers: he slashed Peter's cheek with telekinesis but missed the bullet due to him being focused on doing that. If The Haitian was still blocking powers, Sylar's would have been blocked too. --WarGrowlmon18 15:53, 9 December 2008
          • Arthur appears to be dead cause the Haitian blocked his ability to regenerate. For the same reason, Future Peter got killed in I Am Become Death.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)

I think Arthur is definitely dead, cause he didn't start to regenerate after the Haitian left the room. Simple as that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)

• Didn't Angela explicitly say that Pete had to shoot him in the BACK of the head? If Arthur does return, there's your loophole. NathanMosaic 11:55, 9 December 2008
  • Yes, but I think the bullet went all the way through his head as I think I saw blood shoot out the back and the catalyst died too which Mohinder said would happen with the death of the host.--WarGrowlmon18 13:54, 9 December 2008 (EST)
• What about his Body? when the Marine wakes up Nathan (Dual 10 minutes in) it is gone with a bloodtrail on the floor.... well where have we seen that before? right Sylars "death". -- Bugenhagen 21.12.2008

Who killed Arthur?

Who do we credit with killing Arthur? I would think we'd have to say it was Sylar. Not only does he pretty much say that, he stopped the bullet telekinetically (as opposed to Peter stopping the taser with space-time manipulation). Thus, releasing that power should not cause the bullet to resume its normal motion, and I interpreted the scene (having only watched it once) as Sylar using his telekinesis to propel the bullet into Arthur's head. --Stevehim 03:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)

• I think we credit Peter, Sylar just held the bullet in place there and let it go. If you watch his hand (and I rewatched the part to make sure) you'll see that he made no movements that would propel the bullet like that, he just seemed to drop his hand and let go. I agree with the person below me: that is what appeared to happen. --WarGrowlmon18 15:53, 9 December 2008
• I believe that Sylar "held" the bullet rather than stopping it's motion, if you look closely you can see that the bullet is still spinning, and then allowed it to continue its motion without taking away any power from it. --Davey0812:17, 10 December 2008 (EST)
  • After watching it again, I'm not so sure. The bullet is still clearly spinning, but Sylar also clearly jerks his hand when he releases it, suggesting he added some force. We've also been given no indication (that I can think of anyway) that telekinesis merely 'pauses' motion, rather than stopping it. His words directly before that, that Peter isn't a killer, but he (Sylar) is, suggest that Sylar killed Arthur. Arthur's final words in the GN: Truths, however, seem to indicate it was Peter. It has to be recorded on a bunch of different pages, so I wanted to get everyone's thoughts (for now, I'll list them both). --Stevehim 15:47, 9 December 2008 (EST)
• Peter pulled the trigger, so I would say that he killed Arthur. Sylar just stopped it so that he could ask Arthur if he was really his father, then let it go after he got his answer. Bloodbath 20:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah, I think Sylar just sort of held it and didn't stop it. He just let it go when he was done questioning him. I think Sylar just jerked his hand away, that's all. And I agree: GN: Truths definitly indicates Peter killed him.--WarGrowlmon18 02:24, 10 December 2008 (EST)
    • Kinda like asking, who nuked hiroshima? The enola gay pilot, the bombadeer who opened the door, or President Truman who gave the orders. Peter fired the fatal shot, Sylar simply hit 'the pause button' for a few seconds. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 01/8/2009 15:23 (EST)
      • Peter mustered up the balls to pull the trigger himself so the credit goes to him.Vanguard 10:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Clairvoyance

The Shark is back with a question:

“When Hiro goes back and takes the catalyst upon himself, Arthur shows up shortly after and takes the catalyst from him, as well as his powers. My question is this: how on earth did Arthur know that Hiro and Claire had gone back in time, and that they were where and when they were? Is Arthur omniscient?”

This is actually something that we can tell you is going to be on the DVD. There was a scene where Arthur found Molly and stole her ability, using it to find Hiro and Claire in the past. However, the scene just seemed overwhelmingly, what’s the word? Disturbing. - Mike the Man-child!

• Like Kaito's ability, until it's mentioned in the series, it's just a deleted scene. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:05, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Ability Absorption

Okay, here's my idea. We have two characters with powers to affect or work with abilities - Ando's ability supercharging and Peter's ability replication. So why do we still call Arthur's ability "power absorption" instead of "ability absorption"? (Altes)

• It was stated in his assignment tracker. It may not be what you like but it is canon and we must abide by it.--Steelymcbeam 09:34, 18 February 2009 (EST)
  • You have a point, but what about Peter and Ando, then? Their powers' names begin with "ability". Is that canon? (Altes)
    • Press the signature in one of the buttons at the top if you want to sign, personally I don't see a difference between power and ability.. I mean if someone has "great ability" they may have an aptitude to learn better or have great leadership ability, but if you said "They have great leadership power" it makes no sense.

Power Mimicry was Peter's ability before the whole "empath" thing and made it Empathic Mimicry instead of Ability Mimicry. But Power Replication doesn't sound that good and Power Mimicry would just be speculative and not going to happen. So Ability Replication is the so far, same goes with "Ability supercharging doesn't sound right with Power Supercharging or Power Amplification >_> --Arkillion 21:42, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Worst Villian/Character Ever?

Perhaps it is because I'm not to used to the whole thing, but isn't Arthur's character that they could have introduced? Seriously, comon, Heroes was always about groups of people posing threats in the form of the company or people like Sylar, who needs a haircut, made the show a pleasure to watch. introducing Arthur was never intended to be done until two writers, who have now been fired for making the wrong choices with the show's direction and lowering the ratings, crippiling the chances of a fourth season. the first four episodes and initial direction of the plot was amazing, Angela's vision was of five villians causing mahem agaisnt the only ones who could stop them, but by killing Adam, having Elle dissapear for long durations at a time, killed the simple source of intrest that drove the show to be so good. Plus hispower made the show a cheap rip off of actual comic sterotype, something that the show rebbeled agaianst since inception, bad guys. In the end, he was a poorly chosen guy to put in the helm of the show, and something that they will regret just as much as taking away Peter's and Hiro's powers also, along with killing off nearly ever, single black guy that ever popped up with an ability, Elle too. Halfbreed1426 09:07, 21 February 2009

• Agreed. They cold have done so much with that character, but chose the worst path. -- Tristan0709 talk 17:13, 21 February 2009 (EST)

• Too be fair, The Actor Who Plays Knox is in a new ITV program (I think) :P --Drwho113