Talk:Enhanced synesthesia

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Source/Explanation
	According to Heroes Interactive, "Emma's ability is a form of synesthesia".

Pretty useless ability

It's useful only for hearing impaired people like Emma. AltesUTC CH

Unless we find out that she can control the sound too. That wouldn't be useless at all.--Laudo 08:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
I think Emma would completely disagree that this is a useless ability. :) But similarly, Peter's ability would be pretty useless if he were surrounded by people without abilities! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- Nah, he never would be alone. Because it's Heroes, a show about people with powers! AltesUTC CH
- I have synesthesia. And as cool as it can be, it's not an ability it's still a disorder. So this article is completely wrong being an ability. I've never met anyone like that who has synesthesia like Emma. So I think we should take this out of the abilities section. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. --Jason Garrick 11:02, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  - This article doesn't describe the real life phenomenon of being able to visualize sounds. It describes Emma's ability to visualize sounds. Its name comes from Heroes Interactive:Ink. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - Well unfortunately it is a real life phenomenon. A lot of people suffer from synesthesia. It's not just some cool thing. And it's a little insulting that Heroes is calling it this power. Like someone mentioned on this page, it should referred to has enhanced synesthesia or something. If a character blasts fire from the hands, would we call it enhanced memory? No. Because it's not the same thing. and even if the writer said that, we'd assume they made a mistake. As I said, this is a disorder. Not some kind of super power. I wish synesthesia was cool like that but, it's not. --Jason Garrick 13:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Is synesthesia a form of aspergers, in the UK there was a progamme about it saying people could see layers of numbers in front of them, another saw dates e.t.c 50000JH

Some people with autism have synesthesia, and it is probably more frequently so, but the two are not the same.
I think that it is a very strong abilty if you know how to use it and if its evolved.

--Nogard 05:41, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Question

Because of the desciption Emma's friend gives, then if a character who hears light also be classified with this ability?--Laudo 08:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Possibly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- No. Because it isn't a super power. --Jason Garrick 11:02, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  - In the world of Heroes, it is. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - But even in the world of Heroes, it's addressed by Emma's doctor as a common condition among the impaired. Perhaps addressing this (or calling her ability "enhanced synesthesia"... or something less awkward sounding) might be in order. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - Maybe we're looking at this wrong. Anyone with synthesia can see sound, but how many synthesics in real life can use those sights to perfectly play an instrument for the first time? I think we need to delve a bit deeper by finding out exactly what her ability does. Either by asking in an interview, or simply waiting for next week. --Piemanmoo 13:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - thanks pieman. I think that is a great idea. We synestetes can not play instruments upon sight. lol. that's just silly. Even though I play violin I've been playing for twelve years!! lol. --Jason Garrick 13:40, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      - This is NOT a super human ability. AT ALL. It is about as much as a super power as being double-jointed. Nothing that Emma has displayed constitutes a superhuman ability. Some hearing impaired individuals do learn to SEE the sonic spectrum as well as the visual spectrum (that isn't even synthesia, that is an example of cortical plasticity). Visually impaired individuals have been known to re-designate their visual cortex to allow for other senses to use the space. In my professional opinion, this is an example of cortical plasticity. The only unusual thing, is that she developed it in her 30's. Most examples of plasticity happen before the age of ten. Even still, people with synthesia OFTEN become better artisans (of any sort). They explain the phenomenon as the "colors not tasting right when put near each other." Audio-Visual synthesia can occur but it is very rare. Typically synthesia happens with Gusto-Visual or Tactile-Audio or various graphemes-colors (I, for one, have tactile-audio synthesia, where I hear texture, and it is painful). This "ability" is just as "normal" as being double-jointed. Random guy 14:49, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Just a note taken from the wikipage for synthesia (linked here[1])

Sound → color synesthesia

Cytowic calls sound → color synesthesia "something like fireworks": voice, music, and assorted environmental sounds such as clattering dishes or dog barks trigger color and simple shapes that arise, move around, and then fade when the sound stimulus ends.[3] For some, the stimulus type is limited (e.g., music only, or even just a specific musical key); for others, a wide variety of sounds triggers synesthesia.

Sound often changes the perceived hue, brightness, scintillation, and directional movement. Some individuals see music on a "screen" in front of their face. Deni Simon, for whom music produces waving lines "like oscilloscope configurations—lines moving in color, often metallic with height, width and, most importantly, depth. My favorite music has lines that extend horizontally beyond the 'screen' area."[3]

Though individuals hardly ever agree on what color a given sound is (composers Liszt and Rimsky-Korsakov famously disagreed on the colors of music keys), synesthetes show the same trends as non-synesthetes do. For example, both groups say that louder tones are brighter than soft tones, higher ones are smaller and brighter than low ones, and low tones are both larger and darker than high ones.

This kind of synesthesia is usually easily achieved by means of psychedelic drugs, such as LSD, psilocybin or Cannabinoids.

Sounds exactly like Emma (Only Emma is hearing impaired) Random guy 14:57, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Oh boy, how am I going to word this? Thing is, for synesthetes, the sound becomes the color, they hear it and process it as color. Emma can't hear, so she can't process sound. What happens to her is that one sense ends up taking what belongs to another sense. I don't know how to articulate this properly, but since she is capable of seeing things normally as well as sound, her sight is capable of perceiving sound and light, kinda like a two-for-one sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:27, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

But wait, I thought she could hear the music as she was playing it, and that's why we only heard it, not the noise from the surrounding area as well; and why we couldn't hear the people clap once she finished the song? So does it allow her to hear or not? I'm confused. --mc_hammark 17:31, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

- I think we'd know if she could hear. What I do remember is her touching the cello with her head, deaf people who play music sometimes do this, because they can feel the vibration of the instrument. It's the closest thing they have from actual hearing, this way they can feel the beat changing. When you're in a club with loud music, you can feel the vibration in yourself. I think this is the same thing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

It could depend on how many decibels she could hear. --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

- - She can't hear, that much is clear to me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:54, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Sound visualization

This sounds to me like Emma makes sound waves visible for others, that's why the name doesn't fit. Yet synesthesia sounds wrong as well - it's a condition in real life, and it isn't exactly what Heroes Interactive said. "A form of synesthesia". It's not the same. I think. AltesUTC CH

I agree that it's not the best name...but it's the best source we have right now. Hopefully we'll get more information about it next week. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:30, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
I really think we have to make an exception to this one Ryan based on the description. I'll even go along with Enhanced or Super Synesthesia. But the writer's have wrongly identified what synesthesia and just because Emma can do something kind of similar to what synestetes experience, doesn't mean it's Synesthesia. A big reason it isn't in any way synesthesia is because we have it from birth. Not randomly one day. --Jason Garrick 13:43, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
It seems to me that calling what Emma has "synesthesia" is like calling "enhanced strength" just "strength". I have strength, but I can't toss cabs around or jump 20 feet, anymore than synesthesics can play music from light.--Cro Magnon 17:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- Heroes Interactive said that she has "a form of synesthesia". I would be fine with "enhanced synesthesia" as the name of her ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, it should be "enhanced synesthesia" to differentiate from normal synesthesia, which clearly exists in the Heroesverse. --Silurian King 18:44, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Just think of this:

the doctor said that loads of people who are deaf or blind have syesthesia, does this mean that they all have a power? --mc_hammark 12:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

- It's not a power. And no. Not all deaf and blind people have this. --Jason Garrick 13:40, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- I'm not saying all deaf and blind people have synesthesia, I'm saying that in heroes, synesthesia seems to be an ability, and the doctor said that lots of deaf and blind people have synesthesia, ergo, those people would have an ability. Do you see what I mean? --mc_hammark 13:51, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  - Yeah. I totally see what you're saying. but on heroes interactive it said that emma has a form of synesthesia. so therefore implying, REAL world synesthesia. And there is no synesthesia like that. --Jason Garrick 13:57, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - It doesn't matter if there is no synesthesia like that in the real world. This is Heroes. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'seeing sound' thing changes in a way where she can control or feel what others are feeling through the sound of their voices. Either that, or it will evolve into something else. As of now, I'm not trying to be rude, but saying it is not an ability in the Heroes universe is just a bit moronic. Sure, the writers could have researched it more, but until we know more about what they are planning for the ability, you can't say it isn't one INSIDE the Heroes world. Dean 18:36, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced Synesthesia

I know the name "synesthesia" is quite controversial. Heck, I'm the biggest proponent for the name, and I don't even like it. I think we've found some common ground with "enhanced synesthesia", though, so I'd like to start a proper thread to discuss the name. Hopefully, that name shows demonstrates that it's something different than the real life phenomenon, yet it still goes along with what the Heroes Interactive writers are saying when they call Emma's ability of form of synesthesia. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

"Enhanced Synesthesia" seems to be fine, for now. Hopefully, in the coming weeks, we will learn more about Emma and her ability enough to find a better name, because it needs some work. Though, to be fair, a large number of the abilty names we have could use some refining. --ElleFanBoy 21:22, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
I like this idea indeed!! It's definitely not plain old synesthesia. --Jason Garrick 21:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
They said in the episode that it was Synesthesia. That's why the naming convention is on canon source. Emma's doctor says it. ~~IHH—Talk 21:39, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
no they didn't say it was that specifically. The doctor suggested that Emma MIGHT have it. They never explicitly stated it. --Jason Garrick 22:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- Jason's right. The doctor didn't diagnose Emma the way that, say, Mohinder diagnosed Monica. Additionally, the doctor was talking about the real world phenomenon. I think "enhanced synesthesia" straddles the line of paying homage to the real world concept of synesthesia, and recognizing that Emma's ability is something a little different, even supernatural. Plus, it hopefully satisfies the naming conventions of taking what a canon and reliable secondary source said (neither said it was synesthesia--one suggested it may be, one said it was a form of it). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:32, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
- That's why I like enhanced synesthesia. I would definitely agree that while similar there are very distinct difference's between Emma's and let's say, my synesthesia, which is the common grapheme color one. Also Ryan. In the three years I've been on heroeswiki I've never figured out how to add pics! I know, I'm stupid, haha. Is there a way? I have some great hi def pics from my itunes. --Jason Garrick 22:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  - I'll leave a message on your talk page about adding pictures. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    - I can agree with Enhanced synesthesia, but it still sounds off to me. I hope they give us a better name. --Riddler 03:41, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
      - To me it about the ability being developed. 50000JH

Thank you for defining this has Enhanced synesthesia, because I for instants have synesthesia (the kind where you taste things by hearing) and I was kind of like "Wow, synesthesia is a power? Weird..." xD Meteoritu =D- 21:18, 30 Septemeber 2009
The name "Enhanced synesthesia" can seem a little confusing but I think until a better one comes up that's the best we have. Just think of that if it has "enhanced" in it, it's a power. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 00:08, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Here's a thought?

Is this ability just limited to the deaf? If someone who could hear perfectly got this ability, would it be called Enhanced Synesthesia? --mc_hammark 11:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Maybe Peter will absorb it, so we could tell. AltesUTC CH
- It would be the same thing if someone with hearing had the ability, simply less useful. Its still confusing sound with lights. And I'd say its likely Peter will gain this ability, since he is the character interacting with her. --Action Figure 14:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Canon source?

I'm not sure if the doctor suggestng a possible disorder, is the same is it being out-and-out synethesia; so If it's from Heroes Interactive i think it should be treated as Near-Canon or Secondary. Obviously with naming conventions we'd still have to stick with it as it's all we've got so far, but I wouldn't say it's from a canon source. Also if we are thinking of alternate names how about (Advanced/Enhanced/ ) Echolocation? --Kh93 12:48, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

You're absolutely correct, Emma's doctor did not say that she has a form of synesthesia. She only asked whether or not Emma had ever heard of synesthesia, and said that it's possible (that she has it). It was Heroes Interactive that definitively said Emma has a form of synesthesia. The power name template at the top of this page should never have been changed. I just changed it back. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:59, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Not an ability?

It's a real life condition. Emma may not be an EH at all. AltesUTC CH

Well so is Enhanced Strength. You have to work extremely hard, but it is possible! ~~IHH—Talk 07:14, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
- Nobody can punch through people and walls in real world, or bend guns with their bare hands. This is an ability of evolved humans. As for Emma's ability, we haven't seen anything beyond its real life equivalent. AltesUTC CH
  - That's where the word enhanced comes in. Abilities with enhanced as a prefix imply that the ability is just a strengthened version of things which any human could do. Think enhanced hearing, strength or memory. Despite those with specific disabilities, anyone can hear, everyone has strength, and everyone has memory. The enhanced prefix is what denotes Enhanced synesthesia as an ability, rather than the condition. (I also believe that she is literally seeing the sound waves, not just percieving them in her mind as do those with the condition.) -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:54, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
    - I also don't think we've seen everything Emma can do. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
      - You know, until we see that she can do more, we shouldn't have this as an ability page. I mean I think it's an ability myself, and I agreed to "Enhanced synesthesia", but what if the writers pull a fast one on us and decide she just has the condition and we're experiencing it with her?--Riddler 12:09, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
        Chances are it is an ability. They wouldn't introduce her and spend all of this time on her if she didn't have an ability. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:28, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
It's an ability, why would they show her for so long if it's just a regular condition? Obviously that's why it's enhanced, she can do something that regular people can't, like Psilaq said. If we erase this article we have to erase enhanced everything--Rod 16:47, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
- That's just the thing, we haven't seen something beyond real-life synesthesia. Emma can see sounds as colors, yes, but nothing more, at least yet. As for other "enhanceds" - both Dale Smither and Sylar could hear from great distances, hundreds of meters, and super strong ones can punch through walls and bend metal. These are definitely abilities. I don't deny Emma is an EH, I just say she may not actually be one. It's just a theory. AltesUTC CH

Derren Brown

Did anyone see his most recent show "The Events" and the one with the remote viewing? In that there was a "blind" guy who clicked his tongue and could tell where walls were and where poles were. Is this like synesthesia; seeing through sound? --mc_hammark 11:02, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

I remember that, I sorta thought that it like how bats hear - but thinking about it, it probably is --IronyUTC CH 11:50, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
- Like "Daredevil"? AltesUTC CH
  - Close, but no. What you're seeing on "The Events" is Echolocation. It's how bats travel. Basically what it is, is they make a sound, and the sounds in turn bounce off of their surroundings, allowing them to figure out where everything is. Synesthesia involving the tongue would involve tasting something... such as hearing a word and having a distinct taste in their mouth.--Riddler 12:08, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

dogs can smell cancer by breath

dogs have a brilliant sense of smell and can smell cancer in people breath. They can smell chemical traces in 1 per trillion. I know this sounds farfetch but maybe Emma could use the same. {{User:50000JH/--User:50000JH 09:17, 5 October 2009 (EDT)}}

That was absolutly pointless to bring up, but the part about dogs is probably true. Brandy, my favorite dog we think could tell my dad had cancer when he had it given the way she acted around him (he survived thankfuly) and we think our other dog Jack could smell it when she had it. Too bad he couldn't tell us: we found out too late to do anything and she was so far gone at that point we had to put her down six days after we found out (she was very bad off). I think she hid it from us for as long as she could given how right up until a couple days before we found out, she was her usual old self, but suddenly became very lethargic which was what caused us to have her checked out. Exactly three weeks after she died, we found out Jack had it to and we later had to put him down too although we had a bit longer with him as he wasn't so bad off, but the cancer had spread too far to really treat.--WarGrowlmon18 13:33, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Let me get this straight. So your dad had cancer, but thannkfully he survived. Then later, you guys found out that Brandy had cancer aswell. (The female dog; it really confused me when you said "she"...I thought you were still talking about your dad.) And when she died, Jack (Your other dog) had it aswell? That cancer is more contagious than yawning (not making fun of cancer. Its a very serious thing.)--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 15:56, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

- - My dad had it years ago (smoking likely gave it to him and he hasn't learned his lesson about not smoking yet from it). I think he's been officaly declared cancer free as its been enough years. Brandy was diagnosed several months ago and we think Jack (boy dog, we had two, now we have another one named Harley) could smell it on her because he was acting weird around her. I think she hit it from us as she showed no signs right up until a couple of days before we found out and then it was too late. That was hard for me as I was extremly close to her. She was technicly a family dog, but she acted more like she was mine while Jack acted more like he was my mother's. We only had six days with her before she was too bad off and we had to put her down. We found out very far into her illness. Lung cancer that had probably spread to the brain (we weren't sure as we didn't have a test done to check that but she showed symptoms that indicated it). Jack we found out about exactly three weeks after Brandy died: he collapsed while getting a bath at a pet place and it turned out his tumor (stomach cancer) had bled internally. That stopped on its own but wherever the blood went the cancer spread the doctor said. Thankfully we were able to have him with us for a couple of months before he was too bad off and had to be put down. Brandy may have noticed him too, but we're not sure about that. Sad thing is, dogs can tell, they just can't tell us.--WarGrowlmon18 16:23, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

It may be pointless but dog smelling cancer is true, but i think they have to have training, not sure, but it is a fact, maybe Emma ability could be use if someone was telling a lie i.e they breath go a dark.User:50000JH/Singature

Not just synesthesia -- what is it?

Guys, I think after that scene at the end of Hysterical Blindness, it's safe to say that Emma's power is a lot more than just synesthesia... Personally, I think we should just change it to "Emma's ability" until we learn a lot more about it (hopefully next week). --Whizzles 21:04, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

I think so as well, even the power could allow the user to shoot out the sound waves as a concussive blast of sorts if pressured enough.
- I think we should switch it to "Emma's ability." In fact, I want to get rid of the word "synesthesia" as soon as possible as it's a real life condition and I think it's slightly offensive to equate it to some kind of sci-fi superpower. --Watchmaker 12:32, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
I still think enhanced synesthesia works. It is a form of synesthesia that's enhanced (in that it can destroy things). -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:07, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
- Agreed. Enhanced synesthesia works.
All I know is that I really wanna see Emma walking down the street with an electric guitar, just destroying everything. That. Would. Be. So. AWESOME. --Whizzles 21:15, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
- - Shes gonna need a lot of extension cord for that amp. --Action Figure 21:25, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
I think it should be changed to sound manipulation because both echo and jesse had those sound blasts and remember, sometimes the same ability works differently for the different people that use it.daevon 21:17, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
- There's not enough evidence to support the theory that it's the same ability that they have. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:30, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
  - They both make sound blasts, isnt that enough evidence. daevon 21:37, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
    - No. Look at what else the Enhanced synesthesics can do. Jesse and Echo couldn't see sound.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:38, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
      - Knox's ability is listed as "enhanced strength" even though his power is a variant of it. I think Emma's ability is also a variant of sound manipulation.
        I dont think so, there are abilities which are very similar nearly creating the same affects. But they're articles are kept seperate because of there differences. Just like how it was noted above, she see's sound as colour. We don't know how her ability works! For all we know, her ability could have something to do with all the senses! We shouldn't immediately jump to conclusions. --Scorvi12 04:16, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
        Synesthesia is a canon name AltesUTC CH
    - We have seen the ability be described as a form of synesthesia. I have synesthesia myself and while I can't say that I can blast light beams at people (although that would be cool), I definitely have similar experiences to Emma but on a smaller scale. It is definitely a form of it. but it is just enhanced!! HEnce the name... --Jason Garrick 14:20, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
In my opinion i don't think synesthesia has anything to do with her ability. They never even actually said she has synesthesia. If you were to ask a person that watches Heroes regularly what her ability was they would say sound control or something to that extent well after seeing the last episode i automatically said she has the ability to control loud noises but she can also see them. Unlike the other that can control sounds. --Icykidd 22:53, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
- Heroes Interactive:Ink says that her power is a form of synesthesia. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:56, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Obviously a real ability

The first proof that its a real ability: Peter could replicate it.--WarGrowlmon18 14:00, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Yes. And the second proof - Emma damaged the wall. So it's a superpower. AltesUTC CH

Sound manipulation/control

I believe her ability is Sound manipulation, similar to but not the same as Echo's. I know Echo's sounds come directly from his mouth, but Emma is in fact manipulating sounds, as seen in Hysterical Blindness. (I'm not sure the writers had Emma's ability planned when they named Echo/Jesse's ability Sound manipulation... his ability is more of a Sonic scream... but I digress.) Now an argument against this is that she can see the sounds, which makes it different... but if you compare it to Enhanced strength, Knox can "feel the fear" that makes him stronger. Similarly, Emma can see the sounds she can manipulate. The problem with calling it Sound manipulation is that Echo/Jesse's ability is canonically named and people would be too confused... so I suggest calling this ability Sound control, or something to that effect. If we can agree that it WON'T be too confusing to put it on the same page as Echo's ability, then I suggest it goes there. Thoughts?--Riddler 15:27, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Furthermore, if we do change it to one of the suggested abilities, I say we write on the page "with Synesthesic qualities." Maybe Synesthesia manipulation would fit the bill better, but it could be argued that she's not manipulating synesthesia itself, but the sounds she sees.--Riddler 15:31, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we have a bit of a Dazzler [2] thing going on except only she can see the light but who knows as of now. AHB 16:10, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

- Thats what I thought when she smashed the wall as well. Would be cool if she could make it into electrical energy, although I assume the writers will run with colours doing damage only as otherwise she'd be a good sylar (meaning nerf or phsycotic breakdown)--Fr0z3nB0nes 18:28, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I vote for "Synesthetic sound manipulation", a variant of "Sound manipulation". --Nogard 15:27, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Synesthesia manipulation? =) AltesUTC CH

The whole attack thing

this is a weird thing. If she can use the sound to attack like she did with the wall then it would just be like she had telekinesis (or at least that's what people without this ability would see. --mc_hammark 15:33, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

True, it would appear that way to others -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:04, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
True, but don't think she can move stuff with her ability WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)
Just destroy things, lol -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:12, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
- Is fine by me :D WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)

Cello

don't think she could play the cello because of her ability, she had a cello at home and peter didn't show any amazing on the piano :p except for the colours WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)

She probably used to play the cello, maybe before she lost her hearing?, who knows, lol -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:06, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
- Could be :D, think will find out sometime :D, Maybe peter will go back in time and meet her when she was not deaf? I know it's again farfetched but heck :p WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)
  - They could do, but I think they're trying to stay away from all that time travel stuff, it just complicates things -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:15, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
    - True :D, his new journey will be to connect with people and cure Hiro, maybe by going to claire? WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)
      - As I mentioned on the episode talk page, I believe Edgar put the box in her apartment. The cello was sitting next to a large blue box, which looks the same as one Edgar was hauling away at the carnie's breakfast. PowerSink

Can the info change on the page please of the ability? Her ability doesnt made her play cello good WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)

Actually, I think it does. When she entered her apartment she saw the cello and looked surprised. My guess is that peter put it in her apartment ( a piano being too hard for him to fit into her apartment, you know)! --mc_hammark 04:14, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

- Could be :D, lets find out in the next episode, I'm not saying it doesn't, just not confirmed yet WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)
  - Didn't the her mother tell her to stop grieving about someones death? Perhaps she lost her hearing in an accident where that perosn died? --Fr0z3nB0nes 11:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
    - I Already mentioned this somewhere else WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)

History

She plays the piano and cello quite good as she looks surpise when playing the cello. How do we know that when she was school that she was not deaf and she had a natural ability of music, then she became deaf then she could of have a stoke and she forgot that she was good at music. I know it doesn't sound nice and it may be rediculious, but unless she can play music naturaly or if it is the ability. --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

I agree at some point here, it could have been that she loved to play music and was good at it before she came deaf, and before christopher died, It could that she become deaf in an accident where he died and she become deaf, then she quitted playing music and her studies? Hope this theory comes out :D WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44)

I think she's always been good at playing the cello [or just at music, in general]. I just watched the scene over again, as someone in the thread below posted a link to a youtube video of it. She looks more like she's in awe of the colors, but she doesn't look surprised that she knows how to play. She also keeps a cello in her home, so obviously someone had to have played it... Although, it might've been Chistopher's... and now she somehow knows how to play too. I'm sorry, I'm just coming up with theories as I type. haha. --Lance 15:28, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Video

Someone uploaded her cello in the park scene at youtube, I'm leaving the link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzlhcuOqao Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:11, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

It's... beautiful. And obvious that Emma has feelings for Peter. AltesUTC CH
- Hmm, if they do get together, lets hope she doesn't go the way of Simone and Catlin. Gone and never mentioned again.--WarGrowlmon18 13:54, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
  - Hey, Sylar killed Peter's father and brother, how about Sylar killing his girlfriend? :3 AltesUTC CH
    - Yes well Peter was going to kill Daddy Dearest himself but Sylar stopped him from doing that so that doesn't really count. I would have prefered it if Peter had been the one to kill Arthur by the way, I had wanted that.--WarGrowlmon18 14:22, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Ability Evolution

Since evolution of abilities have recently been occurring in the series, I believe on the aspect of Emma having the ability to control the light (sound) itself is one form of evolution on the ability to see it. Does anybody agree that Emma's ability ot make conclusive blasts is just her ability evolving.--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:41, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Emma just found out her ability, she has hardly explored what she can do, not nearly enough time for her ability to evolve. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
- Says who? I don't mean to be brash, but there is no "required experience" necessary for some abilities to evolve. Ando and Daphne discovered on accident that they, together, could travel through time. Thus, seconds later, they use it to travel back (and forward) 15 years. It can happen just that fast. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:35, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
  - The Daphne and Ando incident is combination of abilities, the same way Peter had (and has) to combine his with anothers'. Evolution of an ability is rather defined by a person spending so long with an ability then it changes to allow a whole different aspect of it. Matt's telepathy developed into mind control which is still part of the telepathy area, I kind of consider this as an evolution, but the main evolutions I think of are the ones where the ability seems to cover another one as well, like matt using precognition and tracy turning into water. --mc_hammark 10:19, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Main image

I think that either this image or this image would be a better representation of Emma's ability than the current image. The quality much better in both and the user is still pictured in both. Thoughts? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:44, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

My vote's for the the first one you linked to, much brighter. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
- While it's pretty, there's something that doesn't work with that one: we can't see the source of the sound, with that image, she could as easily be able to create and manipulate light. My vote goes for the second image. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:58, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
  - The ability has nothing to do with what causes the sound, only that it is there. My vote is for the first one. --mc_hammark 12:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
    - It is there, but if there's no source, it could be taken for simple lights. Putting the source of the sound makes it clearer that what she's seeing is sound, not just some light. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:05, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
      - I would prefer the first one as well. IA, pretty much any image we use would look like just some light at first glance. The purpose of the article is to show how Emma is actually seeing sound waves as light, not just seeing "some light." I'm not saying the current image isn't good, I'm saying one of these two would be better. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:15, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
        Then what's the problem with the other one? It does the same as the one you like, and it shows the source of the sound. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
        The current one is of relativly low quality. the ones I suggested are higher quality. As has been stated before, the source of the sound is not as important in the scope of things. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:30, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
        But it adds to the example. It makes it more obvious, more explicit that what she's seeing is sound. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
        My vote is for #2 - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:03, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
        We don't always have to have the source in the image. If people are on this site, then I'm sure they watch heroes, which means they know what Emma's ability is, and don't need a visual to see what it is. Besides, they can always click on the article to know exactly what the ability is. And when they read the description, they will see what she is doing.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:40, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
        That's right, we don't explain what the ability is through the pictures, the article (or summary) does that; the picture is just to show what the ability looks like on screen. --mc_hammark 06:02, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        My sentiments exactly. So, shall we put it to some kind of vote or what? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:03, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        I like this image as the lead image. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        Agreed. --mc_hammark 07:37, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
        Shall I go on and change it then? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:17, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Emma's Problem will be Solved

In one episode, when Hiro and Emma are frozen in time, she touches the colored light and it seems as if she heard the sound as well. Maybe it is possible that the ability will help her hear... (im sorry this is hear. but i dont know how to make a theory page or anything...) --Scorvi12 05:10, 8 November 2009 (EST)

The ability does help her hear, but in a manner that compensates for her deafness (if that's a word). She can interpret sound with her vision, eliminating the need for hearing. That's just my opinion though, I can help you make a theory page if you'd like.--PJDEP 22:10, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Real "Disorder" Powers

Dr. Coolidge said that people who have a "disorder" such as deafness or blindness sometimes see sound as colors. This is a pretty easy "disorder" to turn into an ability (just make the noise source glow with light - easy). But Dr. Coolidge said that sometimes people can possibly hear numbers. That would be kind of hard to turn into an ability. How could they do that if they chose this instead of seeing sound as colors (I doubt they will make another disorder ability, which is why I said "instead").--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:25, 17 November 2009 (EST)

It hasn't been shown for a while

I'm afraid we won't see Emma learn how to crack more walls. AltesUTC CH 07:50, 5 December 2009 (EST)

They'll prob bring her back to the show next episode. Think of it from a writer's point of view. The best time for Emma to begin a "relationship" with Peter would be after some tragic has happen. With the "death" of Nathan I would say now is a good time. --OutbackZack 08:02, 5 December 2009 (EST)
- We will, Emma is coming back, don't worry.--Kleith 09:05, 5 December 2009

Siren's Song

The current name is far too narrow after the events of Upon This Rock, and the only canon name I can remember is "Siren's Song". Not a great name, but if nobody can think of a more appropriate name it'll have to do.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:35, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Thing is Samuel said that was part of her ability but not her entire ability. He said her emotions controlled sound and gave them specific effects. I'm just guessing but I think Emotion Sound Manipulation works better in this case or something to that effect. I wonder if her ability is more than that though. I wonder if she can get whatever she wants through emotion and sound. Such as making someone fall asleep by wanting them to fall asleep and then playing the her Cello. Although I suppose Siren's Song works, but I don't know it sounds limiting, and Samuel was comparing Emma's ability to it but didn't specifically say that's her ability. I think the equivalent of emotion sound manipulation would work to describe her ability in its entirety. Her emotions control the sound produced and she's manipulating other aspects. Although Emotion Sound Manipulation exactly sounds weird, maybe someone can refine it a little better.--Dman dustin 02:18, 5 January 2010 (EST)
- what about Empathic sound manipulation?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 02:20, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  - I was thinking about that, but I didn't want it to seem like Lydia's ability or Peter's original ability. Although now mulling it over, I suppose it is better than "Emotion sound manipulation"--Dman dustin 02:23, 5 January 2010 (EST)
- We were given a canon name however, we should probably take that into consideration. After all, freezing only covers about half of Tracy's ability.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:23, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  - I vote for giving her the same ability as Echo and Jesse. It's basically the same thing, after all.--Gibbeynator 07:25, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    - No, they don't seem to have the same abilities. Echo/Jesse could only manipulate sound waves' frequency, amplitude and timbre. But Emma can somehow channel her own emotions into sound (specifically music). Anyway, we saw that Emma can't only create a Siren's song effect; we know she can channel her rage to produce a blast too. Samuel said that Emma's true ability was to make her emotions become one with the music, so what about "musical empathy" or "empathic musicality"?--Referos 09:11, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      - 'Musical Empathy' sounds good to me. She can't manipulate the sound, or even music, directly, but the music she plays takes on an effect depending on her emotions, and affects the emotions of those around her. If we don't think it's specifically music, but all sound, then perhaps 'Aural Empathy'? --EkimCF 12:01, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        "Musical empathy" sounds pretty good actually :) I was thinking something along the lines of "Empathic synesthesia" ? -- Leckie -- Talk 12:13, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        My votes for Musical Empathy, just saying. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:26, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        Cellokinesis? Had to be done, sorry. In reality, I'm fine with musical empathy. I prefer "music" over "aural" because I doubt she can attract people with one sound, she most likely has to create some type of pattern. Whether it's banging on trash cans or playing in a symphony orchestra, it's music. Perhaps Enhanced musical empathy, because if I'm in the mood I can channel my emotions into music by sitting at the piano.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:43, 6 January 2010 (EST)
A few notes as we think on this: "enhanced synesthesia" is not actually canon. We took a term that describes one who can see sounds (synesthetic) and applied it to a power name. Obviously, her power is FAR greater than just that. Siren's song is actually extremely appropriate of a name, in my opinion. Sound manipulation in the past has referred to someone who can manipulate the physical properties of sound, but not the effect it has on someone. Be careful in attaching "empathic" to this, as her empathic connection to her power is exhibited in a large quantity of characters, and isn't entirely definitive of the power itself. Additionally, her power appears to extend beyond simply music (she can see noise), so using "musical empathy" would not be entirely correct. Also note that "music" is a very loose definition of a type of noise (where do you draw the line between noise and music?). The strictest definition of her power is that she can 1) see sound, 2) manipulate it to create physical force, and 3) use it to attract or repel people without their conscious knowledge. Siren's song is the best fit I can see for this power, but something like sonic empathy or sonic hypnosis may theoretically be just as applicable. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:15, 6 January 2010 (EST)
- All three would work fine with me. --OutbackZack 16:27, 6 January 2010 (EST)
  - As a note, the fact that emotions are involved doesn't always warrant the word "empathy" in a name. In this situation, it's not even close to accurate. She's not empathizing with anyone, nor is she working with anyones emotions but her own. She can use the music in sync with her own emotions, not other peoples. The music just has an allure to it. So Siren's song, though not the prettiest name, is the most accurate thing we have that is canon, but something to the effect of "Emotional sound manipulation" makes sense as well.--Riddler 16:27, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    - I'll be fine with most of the aforementioned names, but I do think Siren's song is the best choice. It was explicitly said in an episode, so it's also the safest choice. Is there enough interest to start a consensus?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:30, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      - Though I agreed with it earlier, in retrospect, Siren's song ISN'T the best option. It doesn't explain that she can see the sounds and use them in a physical sense, i.e. the crack in the wall. A Siren's song only effects people in an alluring way. This is gonna be a tricky one. "The term "siren song" refers to an appeal that is hard to resist but that, if heeded, will lead to a bad result. " Noun 1. siren song - the enticing appeal of something alluring but potentially dangerous;--Riddler 20:22, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        So she can see sound, and manipulate it (cause it to crack walls or bring people in). Right? --OutbackZack 20:32, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        
        The way the ability seems to work is this: She can see sound as color (which appears to be a side-effect of her ability, rather then the focus of the ability itself), and manipulate sounds depending on how she feels. If she's angry, she can damage things, if she's hopeful, she can attract people. Although more superpower then evolutionary adaptation, there's a lot they can do with this ability. Ideally, I think the name needs to mention sound, emotions, and the conversion taking place. The most basic name I could think of then was "Sonic emotional conversion", but that doesn't sound quite right. There's also "Temperamental sonic manipulation", "Temperamental sonokinesis", "Emotion-based sound manipulation..... I'm honestly not great at coming up with names, but it's a place to start.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:33, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        I'm gonna put more support into Emotional sound manipulation, with something to this effect as the description: "Emma can see sounds as colorful lights, and through through her emotions, can manipulate them to cause physical damage, such as the crack in her wall, or entice people."--Riddler 20:36, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Is it possible that she also has Sound Manipulation, but due to her being deaf, it evolved to where she can see it? As I recall from some sort of Heroes Evolution thing, the ability helped Echo be a DJ. --OutbackZack 20:38, 6 January 2010 (EST)
- Not likely, by our definition, anyway. Since "Sound manipulation" itself was given through assignment trackers to describe Echo and Jesse's ability, we couldn't use that name. Their ability is to produce different vocal sounds. She manipulates external sounds. It's a shame that they used that name, since Sound manipulation is much more fitting here. On that note though, since "Precognition" and "Precognitive dreaming" are separate, we can have "Sound manipulation" and "Emotional sound manipulation" at the same time.--Riddler 20:42, 6 January 2010 (EST)
  - Well "sound" is after all "sound" no matter what sort of sound it is. After all, we have Knox with Enhance strength but he can feel and smell fear. I know it was canon, but it goes to show that abilities do have minor side effects that produces another sense. --OutbackZack 20:45, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    - Though I'm using Knox as an example below, what you're thinking of is drastically different. Knox's ability is still enhanced strength, even though he needs fear to access it. The fear enhances his strength. With Jesse and Echo, they produce sounds via their voice. With Emma, she makes sounds through musical instruments. Very, very different. Sound manipulation would definitely work for her ability, but since it's already used and canonically, we can't change it.--Riddler 20:53, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      - That why you would merge the two together. She's manipulating sound, Sound manipulation. --OutbackZack 20:57, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        Missing my point entirely. We can't merge them, since they're drastically different abilities. Similar to all the electricity based abilities, and technology based abilities... and the fire based abilities... and the persuasion based abilities... etc. They're similar, but not the same, so we can't merge them, and since Echo and Jesse have a canon source, they get priority for the name.--Riddler 21:02, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        I feel you're missing my point. I'm saying she's manipulating sound, that's Sound manipulation. There would nothing wrong with her ability page being merged with the current Sound manipulation page. Knox and Nikki, same ability, but yet different. That's what I'm getting out of this. The only different is she can see it (something that came out of being deaf).--OutbackZack 21:06, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        Trust me, I see what you're saying, but we can't. Knox and Nikki can be merged since they have the same ability with different mechanisms. Emma IS manipulating sound, but it's a different ability than Echo and Jesse. They're not really manipulating sound, they're manipulating their voices, but their ability was canonically named. We HAVE to keep that. And because she has a different ability entirely and the name "Sound manipulation" is taken, we need to have a different name for it. If we could merge these, we could merge Fire breathing with Pyrokinesis, Teleportation with Space-time manipulation, Electric manipulation with Electrical absorption and more.--Riddler 21:10, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        This came from Echo's AT: A sound manipulator, Echo can mimic and distort noise, replicate frequencies, and create sonic blasts of devastating proportions. Echo has noticed that his ability to manipulate sound increases greatly when his fight-or-flight reflex is engaged. He seems to regard his ability to manipulate sound in all its forms as both a blessing and a curse, and he actively continues to explore the extent of his power.It gives off the impression it's more than his voice that he manipulates.--OutbackZack 21:14, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        Echo has only been seen and noted to use his voice, and we're not going with his assignment tracker anyway. Jesse's was shown on the show, and is what the name is based on. We've only seen him use his voice as well. It's safe to assume that that's what it means. Their ability is drastically different from Emma's.--Riddler 21:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        With next week's episode focusing on Emma and her ability, I think it would be a safe bet to wait and see what else she does before we try to name, rename, or merge this ability. --OutbackZack 21:18, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        I really wouldn't mind if we waited I suppose, but we did take advanced action in naming Damien's ability. If what she does in the next episode clashes with a name we've chosen, it can be changed fairly quickly.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:40, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Ok, I haven't been around, and speed reading isn't my forte, so if I repeat what was already said, bear with me. Something everyone seems to have forgotten is that a Heroes Interactive called Emma's ability "a form of synesthesia". Whatever we do, we must maintain that to some degree. I don't think any of those music or aura names would work, cause they have no link to synesthesia. In an interview, wasn't it said that Emma ability would "cause effects on what she sees"? Since her ability seems to have quite some effects, this is like telepathy. I don't think we need to change the name, the "enhanced" pretty much says that she can do things that people with synesthesia can't, which isn't a wrong description, even if not pin-point accurate. Every effect her ability has stems from her one core effect: affecting the sound she sees as color. Telepathy has loads of effects, but we didn't change it cause all of the effects stem from a single core ability: pushing and pulling thoughts. And for those of you who brought/will bring to the discussion Knox, Tracy and Jeremy, I should remind you that discussions on those never ceases, there isn't an agreement on these cases as there is with other abilities, so arguments with those aren't really valid, since there is always some on going discussions on them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 8 January 2010 (EST)
- What about "synesthetic manipulation"? Is a better description (she can manipulate what she sees with her synesthesia) while keeping "synesthesia" in the name.--Referos 21:48, 8 January 2010 (EST)
  - Samuel likened her ability to a Siren's song and that's about the same level of canon as Heroes interactive. Also, this current name is incredibly unspecific, it's like calling Echo's power "enhanced voice". It's not incorrect, but there are more appropriate names.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:11, 8 January 2010 (EST)
    - With the variety of effects her ability has, we need a name that's general enough to account for them. Enhanced accounts for them all. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:14, 9 January 2010 (EST)
      - We don't need a name that account for them all, "healing touch" doesn't account for all of Jeremy's ability and "freezing" doesn't account for all of Tracy's ability. It'd be nice to have such an accurate name but the current one is far too unspecific.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:14, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Tracy and Jeremy are ongoing discussions, they don't count as arguments until both their cases are solved, and even though I hate it, that's not going to happen soon. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:48, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Jeremy's ability discussions have come to a halt, so I believe that Tracy's will as well. Moving on from that, Enhanced synesthesia comes from a secondary source, whereas "Siren's song" is from an episode, so it is a more appropriate name for the ability.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 09:50, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Unofficial poll

This doesn't really count for anything and isn't a true consensus but I wanted to see where our community was at.

Keep as Enhanced synesthesia --Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 8 January 2010 (EST) See reasons above.

Siren's song

--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:41, 6 January 2010 (EST) - Only explicitly stated name. Siren's are described as beautiful winged woman that lured sailors to the rocky shores by singing alluring songs. Emma's music may be the allure and the sonic "blast" she created could be the rocks. Highly figurative, but I like the poetic nature of it.
----Evil Maldini 06:45, 7 January 2010 (EST)
--Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:14, 7 January 2010 (EST) - PJDEP put it best for me.
--Leckie -- Talk 16:33, 7 January 2010 (EST) -- Completely agree with PJDEP, although I do like the sound of "Musical empathy".

Musical empathy

Emotional sound manipulation

--Riddler 20:43, 6 January 2010 (EST) - For reasons stated above. Siren's song only notes the alluring aspect of her sound manipulation.
Freezing only denotes the freezing aspect of Tracy's ability, which clearly exceeds that description.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Another different situation. Her name is canonically and explicitly named through the document about her. We don't have a single explicit name for Emma's ability. Samuel likened her ability to a Siren's song, but that doesn't mean he was naming it.--Riddler 20:57, 6 January 2010 (EST)
It's the closest thing we have to an explict name however. I'm not saying that makes it the best name, it's just something to keep in mind.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:33, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Her mother likening it to Synesthesia is what got us this name. Comparisons make not the name. :P--Riddler 21:35, 6 January 2010 (EST)
--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:45, 6 January 2010 (EST)
--Darkfiremaster13 05:34, 7 January 2010 (EST)
--Ritamiller 13:58, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Sonic emotional conversion

Sonic hypnosis

Sonic empathy

--I'd choose Musical Empathy if it wasn't for the fact Emma's ability allows her to see any sound, not just music. See, feel and express her emotions through it... AltesUTC CH 08:00, 9 January 2010 (EST)
--Ditto Hiroman 20:01, 9 January 2010 (EST)
--While I like how Musical Empathy sounds, it doesn't fully describe this ability so I guess I'm with this name for now. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:58, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Emotional sound manipulation

Just gonna give it it's own section so it can draw some attention, and provide some food for thought. I'm supporting the name Emotional sound manipulation, with the ability to see the sounds mentioned in the description. We do not need to mention the synesthesic qualities in the name, as we can liken it to Knox's enhanced strength. He feels the fear, he grows stronger. Fear isn't mentioned in the title. What I'm getting at is we can simply title it ESM and write something to this effect: "Emma can see sounds as colorful waves of light, and through her emotions, can manipulate the sounds to cause physical damage (i.e. the crack in her wall) or entice people." The only other option I can think of is "Enhanced sound manipulation" which can imply the color-sight, but also makes it sound like it's related to Echo and Jesse's ability, which it is not. Names like "Musical empathy" and "Siren's song" are inaccurate because, respecitively, Emma is not empathizing with anyone and her ability goes beyond the definition of a Siren's song.--Riddler 20:51, 6 January 2010 (EST)

The problem I have is that you can attach emotion to any ability. Ted got angry, he almost blows up. Tracy get scared, she freezes stuff. However, we don't call it Emotional freezing. --OutbackZack 20:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)
- Emotion is directly tied into this ability however, similar to empathic mimicry. She almost literally converts her emotions into sound.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:57, 6 January 2010 (EST)
  - What PJ said, Zack. With Ted and Tracy, when they lost control of their emotions, their abilities went haywire. Emotions aren't directly related for them, they just lost control of themselves. Emma, however, has been noted to have a direct connection between her emotions and her abilities.--Riddler 20:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    - It would be easier for me to accept if she didn't crack her wall while she seemed all happy playing music haha. It seems more like the fury of her playing and not her emotions. --OutbackZack 21:02, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      - Well, we can go with "Enhanced sound manipulation", but that implies that it's a stronger version of Sound manipulation, since every other "Enhanced" ability is based on enhancing something someone can normally do.--Riddler 21:06, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        I never heard of an ability being the enhance version of another ability. --OutbackZack 21:10, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        What I mean is to put Enhanced in front of an already established ability makes it seem as though they're directly related. They're not. Emotional is acceptable, in my opinion, since we can compare it to Precognition and Precognitive dreaming. --Riddler 21:24, 6 January 2010 (EST)
        Again, I said this already, emotions can be tied in with almost every ability and you can't compare it to Precognition and Precognition dreaming when they're something completely different on their own. Also, we have to include something in the name that makes it clear that she can see the colors. How about Synesthesia sound manipulation? It takes something that was stated in a secondary source, but covers all aspects of the ability without being speculative. --OutbackZack 21:36, 7 January 2010 (EST)
        One key difference between abilities directly related to emotions and those associate with emotions is that Emma's ability and empathic manipulation require emotions to work, they cannot be done otherwise. Other abilities that have been seen used in emotional situations (like induced radioactivity or freezing) can be activated by emotions, but the scientific mechanism behind the ability has nothing to do with emotions. Thus, something like "emotional sound manipulation" is indeed appropriate. I still think Siren's song is better, but this would be my second choice.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:41, 7 January 2010 (EST)
        It's not an appropriate name, because we're ignoring the rest of the sources. The word "synesthesia" was given to us in a secondary source, which outranks a descriptive name that doesn't have the word "synesthesia" in it. That's why I propose Synesthesia sound manipulation. That I feel is a far more appropriate name. --OutbackZack 13:06, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        "Synesthesia" was given as an example of a real medical condition which has similar effects on the senses. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:13, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        And actually, because synesthesia IS a real condition, it is entirely possible that Emma is synesthetic by nature, and it is not part of her ability at all. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:14, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Although I don't necessarily believe that this should keep it as "enhanced synesthesia", the synesthesia is most likely part of her ability because when Peter absorbed it, he too saw sound as color.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:16, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Ah, that's right, I forgot about that. So yes, the synesthesia is a part of the ability. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:06, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        With that said then, how would you feel about Synesthesia sound manipulation? --OutbackZack 14:31, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        
        That wouldn't be terrible, but I'll say it again, we don't call Echo's version "vocal sound manipulation". Does synesthesia have to be in the name?
        "Synesthesia sound manipulation" is both a nonsense term, and not very accurate of a name. Using the (grammatically correct) term "synesthetic sound manipulation" implies that her power is driven by the ability to see sounds, which is not true. In particular, it does not accurately describe the attractive/repulsive nature of her ability (which appears to be the primary function of it). Meanwhile, sound manipulation is specifically a user's ability to manipulate vocal sounds, not musical instruments or random noise. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        That's actually wrong. Echo's AT implies that his ability did more then changed his vocal sounds. You're also wrong about what the name implies, "synesthetic sound manipulation" implies that she sees the sound she manipulates. --OutbackZack 16:36, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        To further add, we have recorded Sound manipulation on the wiki page as follow: the ability mimic and distort noise, replicate frequencies, and create sonic blasts of devastating proportions. Nothing states (besides the limits associated with each character) that the ability only works on vocal sounds. --OutbackZack 16:39, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        
        Actually, sound manipulation has never been observed or described as anything other than vocal manipulation. Users could mimic, distort, replicate, and create noise using their voices. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:16, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        
        But it never been described that they only could use their voice. Otherwise it would have been stated. --OutbackZack 17:18, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        We're not at liberty to assume they could do more than vocalize. And every observed use of the power has been through voice. Thus, we must assume, until otherwise shown, that this power is exclusively a vocal ability. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:19, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        That's why we have the limits for the characters on the ability page. Otherwise we need to change the ability definition on sound manipulation to state that it only can be used on vocals. Until then, Sound manipulation is defined as the manipulation of any sound, not just vocals. --OutbackZack 17:22, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        It would be speculation to state that they can manipulate sound with something other than their voices. It is not, however, speculative to say that the ability has only been observed as a vocal ability. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:39, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        
        Richard, I'm curious to see what you would name the ability? Considering that synesthesia, emotions, and the manipulation of sounds is part of the ability. --OutbackZack 17:30, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        The synesthesia may theoretically be a way for the user to see the effect their ability has (in a similar way to how Knox can smell fear, despite his ability name not reflecting that). Emotions are just as tied to this ability as any other (activation and deactivation and induced radioactivity both respond extremely strongly to emotions, but this is again not part of the ability's name). What is most important about this ability is that it can attract people using sound, and that it can create sonic blasts. Personally, I find siren's song to be the most effective ability name, but there are certainly other viable candidates. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:39, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        
        Very well put and I agree with most of your points. I too would agree to Siren's song, though it may be slightly weird of a name. --OutbackZack 17:51, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Those abilities are affected by emotion, but they're not what the ability is about, you can say every ability is related to emotions if you go by that. Seeing sounds is a core part of the ability. As I said in the section above, the current name still works if you think of it. What was the key thing we knew about the ability? Seeing sounds. Did we change the name when we saw that Emma could rip walls with it? No, because "enhanced synesthesia" accounts for effects regular synesthesia doesn't. Same thing happens in this case. She can put emotions into sound she sees and manipulate that sound to an effect. "Enhanced", while vague, can account to various effects this ability might produce, otherwise we'd be better off with "Emma's ability", I think no one wants that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:52, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Honestly, I think we left it as "enhanced synesthesia" because we had no idea what her power actually was, and wanted to wait it out and see if something new reared up (which it has now done). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:54, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        And enhanced synesthesia still works. Wasn't there an interview someone said that Emma's ability would have an effect on what she sees? Wasn't that even before Emma ripped her wall? We always knew it was going to do something, we just didn't know what. Like I said, "enhanced" is vague, but still overall accurate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:58, 9 January 2010 (EST)

I'm starting over the conversation here for obvious reasons. Both Enhanced Synesthesia and Siren's song are both viable names for the ability. At this point, it just matters what people prefer.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 18:03, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Siren's song doesn't account for seeing sounds. If this was just hypnotic singing, it could work, but it's not. It doesn't even account for the ripping of the wall. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:05, 9 January 2010 (EST)
- And enhanced synesthesia doesn't really account for anything. It gives no indication of what the ability actually does.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 18:28, 9 January 2010 (EST)
  - On top of that, if you go back and watch the season, nearly every time Emma (and Peter when he has the ability) play music, people gather to listen. I'd say this is the primary aspect of Emma's power, not the synesthetic byproduct. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:32, 9 January 2010 (EST)
    - I don't remember people gathering to see Emma and Peter playing the piano. And it's like I said, since the ability is vague in the sense of what it can do with the sound she sees, it's only logical that the name of the ability has to reflect that vagueness. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 9 January 2010 (EST)
      - I'm afraid I disagree. Her power is actually quite specific at this point. It does three things: Emma can attract specific (or not specific) people through manipulation of sound/music, Emma can create sonic blasts capable of physical damage, and Emma can see a colorful representation of sound (known as "synesthesia"). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:54, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        And "emotional sound manipulation" in no way accounts for seeing sound. The closest thing to that I can see being correct is "synesthetic manipulation". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:59, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        Synesthetic manipulation makes it sound like she manipulates the disorder itself in someway. I still don't see why we must mention the device that makes the ability work in the name. Echo's power is not called "enhanced voice", Niki's isn't "enhanced muscles", Matt's isn't "enhanced brain", why should Emma's be any different?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:50, 9 January 2010 (EST)
        She's indeed manipulating her synesthesia: while normal synesthetes only mix different senses, Emma can alter her synesthesia to combine her senses with her emotions.--Referos 06:49, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Or her synesthesia could always be like that; synesthesia manipulation makes it seem like she changes it from normal to special.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 09:37, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Not synesthesia manipulation, synesthetic, as in through synesthesia, by the means of. She doesn't change synesthesia, synesthesia is what she uses to do what she does. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:00, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Terrible Names!

I hate to be the one, but none of the names discussed really mention all the aspects of her ability: seeing sounds, projecting sound and the siren's song. Maybe someone could come up with a name that could encompass all of the aspects of her ability. daevon 01:42, 10 January 2010 (EST)

I agree, except i think the ability name should be about the aspects like, projecting sound and the siren song. Because really, seeing the sounds isn't really an ability. More of a illness, or whatever people call synesthesia. --Scorvi12 01:54, 10 January 2010 (EST)
- But still its a major part of the ability. daevon 02:27, 10 January 2010 (EST)
- Peter was able to see sounds too. Which makes it part of the ability. No debating it. --OutbackZack 02:28, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  - Oh yeah, i forgot about that. Just forget i ever wrote that. --Scorvi12 02:50, 10 January 2010 (EST)
A name has to be debated regarding that part of the ability, maybe something like Synthesiac Sound Manipulation. daevon 03:03, 10 January 2010 (EST)
Seeing sounds doesn't have to be part of the name, it appears to be a side-effect of the ability rather then its true usage. That being said, I still think "Siren's song" works quite well, it was said in a canon source and has a poetic nature about it (see above).--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 09:53, 10 January 2010 (EST)
- Still, she can make cracks in the wall to, so I don't completly like Siren's Song -- (WaterRatj) 12:24, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  - But the poetry.....--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 12:28, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Seeing sounds should still be mentioned in the name and i dont see how it is a side effect, its a part of the whole ability. daevon 16:42, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Seeing sounds is obviously a major part of the whole ability, so within reason should be part of the ability name. The synesthesia side is part of the ability, because when Peter replicated it, he started seeing colors aswell, remember? -- Leckie -- Talk 17:22, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Synesthesic empathy or Empathic synesthesia

Just trying to come up with some ideas for new names, and these were the only two I could think of. Thoughts ?--Leckie -- Talk 09:59, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Riddler had a pretty good argument against any names containing empathy above; empathy is defined as "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another". Names like "sonic empathy" or "empathic synesthesia" make it seem like she can see the emotions of others as sound or color. I also don't think that synesthesia must be mentioned in the name. I'm sorry if the above seems like I'm singling you out but I'm just trying to restate some arguments that are buried above.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 10:03, 10 January 2010 (EST)
- Nah, it doesn't seem like that :) By the way, I think that Synesthesia does have to be mentioned in the name as it is a big part of her ability, when Peter absorbed it he saw colours as well remember? I understand what you mean with the whole empathy side of it, so obviuously that shouldn't be part of it, I just thought that because she kinda connects with people because of it is all :) Maybe something like Synesthesic attraction? That way you see that she sees colors and attracts people in with it as well. -- Leckie -- Talk 10:11, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  - I just thought of another one, what about "Emotive synesthesia"? --Leckie -- Talk 17:24, 10 January 2010 (EST)
    - It doesn't have anything suggesting she does something with it, it's like a cross sensing version of Lydia's ability to me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:34, 10 January 2010 (EST)
      - I'm just trying to brainstorm some new names. Some of the names suggested so far haven't been very good, like "Sonic empathy" and "Aural empathy". I mean, obviously we need a name that covers all aspects of the ability, and I thought that ones I was coming up with we doing that. Seemingly not. --Leckie -- Talk 17:39, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        How do you feel about the synhestetic manipulation I said above? That's the only thing I could put together taking in account that she does the things she does (lure people, crack walls) through synesthesia (the sounds she sees). Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:10, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Unspecific, doesn't say how she manipulates synesthesia. Emotive synesthesia sounds like an AFI album, so that's out.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 18:33, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Unspecific on purpose, the two thing we saw her doing so far differ a lot, and since they'll probably introduce more effects as they develop Emma, getting a single name to account for several specific effects, being unspecific is the way to go. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:41, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Synesthesic manipulation doesn't work, since it doesn't say what she manipulates. If it's limited to two words, it'd be "Synesthesia manipulation," which implies she's manipulating the disorder. If "Synesthestic" is used, it needs to be followed by a word before manipulation. Synesthesic acts as a describer, and manipulation tells what you do with whats being described, but nothing actually exists in the middle, if that makes sense. Synesthesic sound manipulation would be the most accurate.--Riddler 19:32, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Merriam-Webster gives "synesthetic" as the adjective to synesthesia. If you google it, there are many more references to synesthetic than there are to synesthesic. I proposed the name without something in between precisely for the fact there seems to be several things she can do with sound, there are words to make this work if this was just emotions or blasts, but no words to account for both effects. Basically, the name means "manipulation through synesthesia" which is what she does, be it emotions, sounds or any other thing she may come to affect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:41, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        But can we really say that she wouldn't be able to attract people to her, or blow up walls if she had her eyes closed? Synesthesia simply appears to be her way of identifying what she's doing.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:46, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        I typo'd, excuse me. IE, you're right. It IS an adjective to Synesthesia. But an adjective modifies a noun, and we have no noun in the name with "Synesthetic manipulation". I mean, we do, but to say Synesthetic manipulation means she's using synethesia just to.. manipulate. Get what I'm saying? For the ability name to start with Synesthetic, we need it to be a noun that makes sense. Adding "Sound" keeps it accurate. --Riddler 19:56, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Yeah, she uses it to manipulate, period. I see no way to make it less general without narrowing it too much. PJDEP, I see no reason for her being unable to do it with her eyes closed, but she would have no idea what's happening since she can only see sound, she can't hear it. Who knows, maybe if Sylar tries to attack Emma he'll figure out that if she can't see sound she can't manipulate it, it would be an interesting twist. Maybe she can, if you cover your ears, the sounds are still there, as long as she can put emotion into sound, I don't think she has to see it, but she does. It's something that the ability didn't have to have, but it does. The ability would still make sense if there was no seeing sound, but since it does, we have to put a reference to synesthesia somewhere in the ability, so if you have another idea, I'm all ears. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:58, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Uses it to manipulate what, period? Rhetorical, just hoping you see what I mean.--Riddler 20:04, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Anything she may come to manipulate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:07, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        It makes it speculative. It implies she can manipulate anything with her synesthesia. We've only seen sound. We can't assume.--Riddler 20:12, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        And that's why we have more detailed explanations in the article page. When you think telepathy, you don't think precognition, but the page explains how that works. It's like I said, there's no way to make it more specific without making it narrow to the point it excludes effects we know it has. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:17, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        If you think about it, you just helped prove my point. Telepathy has an enormous amount of parts to it that aren't in the name. Why MUST Synesthesia be mentioned in the name? Food for thought. We've been told she uses her emotions to manipulate sound. Emotional sound manipulation, on ALL accounts, is the only name we have that actually fits her ability, and the fact that she sees the colors can be in the description.--Riddler 20:21, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Seeing the future among other effects aren't core parts of the ability, seeing sound is a core part of Emma's ability. I'm only suggesting this one because people wanted alternatives to the current name. I'm ok with the current name for reasons I already explained in this talk, just Control+F my name and you'll see it at some point. On broad and narrow names, take mental manipulation for example. Just by the name, it could many things, but since it was the only thing that account for the two core effects of René's ability, that's what we went with. If you're argument was geared more towards "emotional sonic manipulation" I would like it better cause while she is manipulating sound, she's using that sound to do something else, something that's not necessarily related to sound, but that still leaves out the core synesthesia part. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:29, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Persuasion is a HUGE part of telepathy, and it's not in the name. The fact that Peter has to touch people to replicate abilities isn't mentioned in the name of Ability replication. The list goes on. It is a big part of her ability, but her true ability, as Samuel called it, is to manipulate the sounds via her emotions. Actually this is a great point. Samuel said that seeing the sounds ISN'T her real ability, just a small part of it. That just supports the idea that it doesn't need to be in the name. And again, "Sound" is all we need. She's not manipulating anything but the sounds. She's not manipulating the colors she can see. She's not manipulating people directly. She's manipulating the sound. So "Emotional sound maniplation", again I support, is the perfect name.--Riddler 20:33, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Persuasion is still not the core of telepathy. Peter's ability was named ability replication leaving out touch as preventive measure should it ever evolve past touch. To a degree, she does manipulate the colors. In the scene she cracks the wall, the color of the sounds gets redder when she starts getting agitated. She can manipulate people's emotions, through sound, sound she sees is the medium through which she channels her ability, her sound is akin to Lydia's tattoos. Not taking in account seeing sound would be like leaving out the breathing from fire breathing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:42, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        I entirely disagree with you. The colors got redder and more intense because the sounds got louder and more intense. She was seeing the sound, and it was changing based on her emotion (as you just noticed yourself, "when she starts getting agitated". The people are enticed by the sounds that are being manipulated. Seeing the colors is NOT the core of her ability. The core of her ability is the sound manipulation. It was even noted in the show, and they put emphasis on it. I don't wanna find the quote due to sheer laziness and hopes that you remember it.--Riddler 20:51, 10 January 2010 (EST)
Furthermore, and I'll start a new minithread for this, "manipulation through synesthesia" is speculative, wrong even, so "Synesthetic" is inaccurate on it's own. We know she can see the sounds as color, but we don't know if this is what makes it so she can manipulate sound. We actually have been told that she uses her emotions to manipulate the sound. --Riddler 19:59, 10 January 2010 (EST)
- Synesthesia has to be there because she sees sound as color. It's a part of her ability, whether it is the key thing to make it work or just something that is ultimately useless that the writers put in it to make it different, and as part of her ability, it has to be accounted for in the ability name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:07, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  - Alright, then it has to be there. But we can't use "Synesthetic". I disagree that it HAS to be there, on account of Knox not being listed as "Fear-induced strength" (regardless of a canon name, it helps to make my point), but if anyone feels it HAS to be there, we can't speculate that she's using it to manipulate the sound itself. Synesthetic anything is out of the picture.--Riddler 20:09, 10 January 2010 (EST)
    - I always supported moving Knox to "enhanced strength" or "fear-enhanced strength". I kinda hope that if we manage to settle Emma, we can try to do the same with Knox. AT says he has "enhanced strength", so my suggestion to make that work is to split him, saying his strength is enhanced by fear, while everyone else had super strength all the time. Reference to synesthesia has to be there because it's part of the ability, so if "synesthetic" isn't good enough, by all means propose something better. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:17, 10 January 2010 (EST)
      - New idea: we could cheat. Everyone seems to agree that "sound manipulation" would nicely fit Emma's power, but that's already used. So we could try slight variations like "music manipulation" or "aural manipulation".--Referos 20:55, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        Counter-idea, we wait until tomorrow when we'll see her ability more, then resume debate.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:55, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Abilities and Emotion

Part of the mythology of the show is that abilities, for the most part, are connect to emotions. Ted's rage fueled his Radioactivity. Fear fueled Knox's strength. When Tracy becomes emotional, her abilities are often affect, sometimes the water aspect of which reflects her sadness. Healing touch became much more sinister with Jeremy's anger. Some abilities even control a user's emotions completely, like Intuitive Aptitude. At this point, putting "emotional" in the name of an ability is almost repetitive, considering all of this. If the ability had some form of control over OTHER's emotions, then it would make sense, but an ability fueled by the USER's emotion does not. So taking in all of the facts, this ability shows us examples of:

Sound to Color Synesthesia (Her ability to see sound) Sound manipulation (Her ability to control sound, producing different effects [Riddler, it simply doesnt matter if she is vocalizing the sound or not, it is still manipulation of sound. It would be an assumption to say she COULDN'T manipulate the sound of her own voice. We don't know that the effects she creates can only be produced by music.])

The word synesthesia can mean MANY different kinds of confused senses, not just sound to color. So the word on it's own doesn't accurately describe the most obvious effect of her ability. We also know that the synesthesia is not simply her ability making up for her inability to hear because Peter could also see sound when he absorbed it. It may just be as simple as this ability is too broad to narrow it down into a comfortable 1 to 2 word title like we are used to. Indeed, it seems apparent that the writers were attempting to create an ability never seen before. It would be interesting to know what they call it in the writer's room. The actual accepted scientific term for her ability's main effect is "Sound → Color Synesthesia". It may be best (though, daunting) to refer to the ability as Sound/Color Synesthesia and Manipulation. --Action Figure 02:58, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Enhanced synesthesia

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Pretty useless ability

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Sound visualization

Just think of this:

Enhanced Synesthesia

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Canon source?

Not an ability?

Derren Brown

dogs can smell cancer by breath

Not just synesthesia -- what is it?

Obviously a real ability

Sound manipulation/control

The whole attack thing

Cello

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Emma's Problem will be Solved

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Pretty useless ability

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Sound visualization

Just think of this:

Enhanced Synesthesia

Here's a thought?

Canon source?

Not an ability?

Derren Brown

dogs can smell cancer by breath

Not just synesthesia -- what is it?

Obviously a real ability

Sound manipulation/control

The whole attack thing

Cello

History

Video

Ability Evolution

Main image

Emma's Problem will be Solved

Real "Disorder" Powers

It hasn't been shown for a while

Siren's Song

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Emotional sound manipulation

Terrible Names!

Synesthesic empathy or Empathic synesthesia

Abilities and Emotion

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