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== knives == |
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Okay so i just did my best to show HOW someone could possibly get the symbol out of this one---- and this was my best shot --- this is rediculous --- who in the right mind would see this -- but then again --- i see the symbol places as well --- the onlly thing that would lead me to believe that this is the symbol -- is the fact that they had to set it up like that in that crazy mess. |
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== Graphic == |
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[[Image:Best_I_can_do.jpg]] |
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*Heh, good job taking a "stab" at that one. Oh, oh ... Anyway, good try. However, your alternately using positive and negative space to creat the symbol. Also, the curvy part seems ... invented out of nothing. It's cute (I especially like the pink), but I think it's a bit of a [[gumbyspotting|stretch]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 11:57, 2 April 2007 (EDT) |
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**yeah but the stones and shards of glass also used positive and negative space interchangeably --- but yeah --- i thought it was crazy [[User:Totallycharged|Guy]] 12:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT) |
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***Actually, the [[:Image:Parasite symbol.jpg|stones]] didn't use any negative space to create the Symbol--the empty space was used like a dot-to-dot. The knives don't create any curvy spine, you have to either create one in your mind or follow a very angular negative space. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:40, 4 April 2007 (EDT) |
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[[Image:Simone and isaac form a helix.JPG|thumb|right]] |
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[[Image:Simone and isaac form a pokey.JPG|thumb|right]] |
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:::*Haha, definitely a nice attempt. I, on the other hand, have just spent the past two hours watching the original pilot (the longer one pre-released for some viewers, I have it saved to my iTunes) trying to see if the symbol might actually have shown up in Genesis. My friends and I, possibly due to the effects of staying up past 1am, thought one COULD say you see the symbol when Isaac is on the floor after his overdose saying we have to stop it. His leg is curved to one side, Simone above him curved to make an S, and his arms are folded over to the one side as he points ... huh? Huh?! Come on ... :) — [[User:Vangogh414|<font color=#0147FA>Vangogh414</font>]] ([[User talk:Vangogh414|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 02:15, 5 April 2007 (EDT) |
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::::*Is this what you're talking about? Because I see [[gumbyspotting|Pokey]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 11:27, 5 April 2007 (EDT) |
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::::*Aw, Pokey! :). But, yeah, that was the scene I was talking about ... although now that there's an actual screenshot, our whole theory got shot to ... well, you know. — [[User:Vangogh414|<font color=#0147FA>Vangogh414</font>]] ([[User talk:Vangogh414|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:07, 5 April 2007 (EDT) |
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== Geometry book == |
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Is it possible that anyone artistic or good with image editing software could design a graphic, simple black and white for this page? --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 12:38, 8 November 2006 (EST) |
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* I cleaned up an image that I found on the net, and uploaded Image:TheSymbol_BlackWhite.gif and Image:TheSymbol_Transparent.gif Feel free to delete them if you don't like them --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 13:56, 8 November 2006 (EST) |
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Did Claire's geometry book really appear in ''[[One Giant Leap]]''? Without going back and looking, I'm pretty sure it was in ''[[Don't Look Back]]''. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 10:06, 14 April 2007 (EDT) |
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==Clock?== |
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* I just checked and sure enough that exact shot is from [[One Giant Leap]]. I also went back and checked [[Don't Look Back]] as well and I don't see it in there. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT)) |
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* Somebody on 9thWonders keeps saying the Symbol appeared on a clock at the High School in [[Homecoming]], but I'll be damned if I can see it. Anybody else have any luck spotting it, or is this like the "ITS IN THE SAND WHEN NIKI BURIES THE BODIES" thing?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:52, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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** I just went through the episode and I couldn't see The Symbol on a clock during any of the High School scenes. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 01:08, 29 November 2006 (EST)) |
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***I definitely saw the Symbol in a cloud when Nathan was flying. And it was in the water that Ted boiled, too. Yeah, and in the eggs Charlie was serving. Oh, and if you wrinkle up Peter's shirt just right, you can see the Symbol! :) [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryangibsonstewart]] 02:03, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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****I think we know what your superpower is. ;) --[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:24, 29 November 2006 (EST) |
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**Whenever there's a close-up of the clock at an angle, the glass cover reflects some of the numbers and distorts it. One of the close-ups has a distorted '2' on it that I'm guessing might have been mistaken for the symbol. ([[User:Reubs1|Reubs1]] 04:17, 29 November 2006 (EST)) |
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***Whoa, I noticed that Peter's scar after falling with Sylar resembles the symbol quite a bit, but there's too much blood to see the whole thing... ([[User:Reubs1|Reubs1]] 04:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)) |
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== The first time == |
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When was the first time you noticed the symbol? For me, it was when I noticed it in [[the algorithm]]. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:30, 21 April 2007 (EDT) |
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*According to Wikipedia, [[The Symbol]] has appeared "as a decorative object in the Bennets' home." Anyone able to see what it's referring to or even get a screencap if it does exist? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:41, 28 December 2006 (EST)) |
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*Me too! But then I started noticing it on Chandra's book and the Haitian's necklace and Hiro's sword.-[[User:Citizen]] |
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*Someone over on "9th Wonders" suggested that perhaps the icons placed on Ted's laptop in the "preview" also formed the symbol. For the hell of it, I took a screencapture and "connected the dots". Check it out: [http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/yoshie66/Heroes_Preview/TedPCcopy-1.jpg Ted's Laptop] --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] <small>[[User talk:Yoshie|(talk)]]</small> 11:54, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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*I first spotted it on the grey hound sign, but I didn't nottice it again untill Hiro pointed it out on his sword. Back then I wasn't as into the show, yeah sooo its not that my powers aren't working hehe, they're perfectly fine! sereiously!!!...I'm a disgrace to my name...--[[User:Autobot2|Hawkeye]] 10:50, 13 May 2009 (EDT) |
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::*I think that the icons is a stretch.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:53, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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:::Perhaps, but it's no more of a stretch than the [[http://heroeswiki.com/images/e/ed/Symbolpossible.PNG pasta]] or the [[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/811/lizardsymbol0cw.png stick]]. It's all in how you interpret. --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] 14:38, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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::::* True, I didn't even fully believe the pasta was the symbol. The stick isn't a stretch at all. With this layout of icons, I don't think it'd form the symbol because it wouldn't extend past that top rung, since there is no icon.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 14:42, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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::*I'm just not buying the desktop icons. All other occurances have been connected. Also, the top line is misleading since an extra icon would have to have been added in order to connect the dots. Besides, I don't even think the (wrongly) connected dots look like the symbol. But that's just me. :) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 14:47, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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:::*I see the desktop icons --- whoever connected the dots did it funky --- the two prongs are on top not bottom and the one is one bottom not top . |
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::::*okay i am back to my senses --- it is not the symbol |
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== Diamonds == |
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[[Image:Diamonds.jpg|225px]] |
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I recently read on a fansite that the symbol appeared on Niki's map she found in the trunk of the red car (telling her where to take the bodies of the Linderman's thugs). I couldn't tell from the version of [[Don't Look Back]] I saw on NBC, but their quality is not very good. Anybody see the symbol there? - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 02:14, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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*Anybody see it here? I see what may be a pile of diamonds, or even the first letter of my last name, as a stretch. But no rungs, no symbol. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:16, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*I don't see anything but diamond neither. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 13:21, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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** Thanks. (''stupid erroneous fansite''.) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 12:21, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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*Doesn't look like it to me, either. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 13:23, 11 May 2007 (EDT)) |
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**(So it was ''either'' and not ''neither''. I wasn't sure.) -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 13:25, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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***''Either'' is used with a negative verb and ''neither'' is used with an affirmative verb. "I don't speak French. I don't ''either''. ''Neither'' do I." — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:48, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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** I can kinda pick out the S-curve, but I'm not getting any side bars. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:01, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** Yeah, that's a stretch. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(contribs)</span>]]</small> [[Special:RandomPage|<sup>Random Page!</sup>]] 14:07, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I can force myself to see the top two rungs, but there's nothing on the bottom. Plus, it's a continuous shot in ''Unexpected'': Matt pours the diamonds out of the bag and they land in that shape--no cut. They'd have had to digitally edit it to get that shot to form the Symbol; if they had done so, it would have been a heck of a lot clearer (they're not actually very subtle with most of these appearances).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT) |
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==Godsend== |
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== Best Translation of the "Symbol" == |
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So does the symbol means Godsend for real or ... ? Anyway, Hiro says godsend when Ando points him out the symbol. -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 15:33, 15 May 2007 (EDT) |
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*Sort of: check out [[The Symbol#Ando's Explanation|Ando's explanation]]. He sees two Japanese kanji symbols in the Symbol: "sai" and "yo". "Yo" means godsend in real life. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:43, 15 May 2007 (EDT) |
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**Oh yeah I forgot about this discussion we had. Now I remember. Thanks. :) -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]] <span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue"> </span><span style="background-color:white"> </span><span style="background-color:red"> </span>]]</span> 15:47, 15 May 2007 (EDT) |
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== Possible Explanations == |
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By far the best explaination for the symbol's meaning comes from [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49508 here]: |
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I took [[The Symbol#Ando's Explanation|Ando's explanation]] and put it under the heading "Possible Explanations", along with Guillame's story about [[The Symbol#The Serpent and the Crane|the serpent and the crane]]. I'm not sure "Possible Explanations" is the best heading title because it sounds like the section is speculative, which it's not. However, I can't think of a better alternative. "References to the Symbol" doesn't really work since it's too broad, and "Characters Talking about the Symbol" is too clunky, obviously. :) Any suggestions? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:18, 13 June 2007 (EDT) |
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''In Episode 12 "Godsend", Ando say that the Symbol is made of two kanji : SAI and YO. Here's what i found about those Kanji (Chinese character also used in Japanese). |
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* "Legends and Uses" perhaps?--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 17:43, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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== Exhaustive List? == |
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''First, take a look at the picture in [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=8785 attachment]. The first kanji is SAI. In the episode, the translation call it "Great talent". The real meaning of this kanji is Ability, Talent (other meanings not related to the show is omited here).'' |
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I notice that the symbol image gallery includes the sword hilt twice. But all of the other places it is found are only included once. Is there a reason for including the sword twice? I assume that the gallery is not intended to be so exhaustive as to include repeat appearances--that would be impractical IMHO. But it might be good to have one image for each place the image appears with a caption saying from where that particular image was taken along with a list of other episodes and GNs where the same version of the image appears. I notice that the image on Guillaume's necklace appears at the end of It Takes a Village, Part 3, in addition to the listed appearance from Part 1. It might be good to list that without adding a separate image. Naturally, there are other places, like Jessica's shoulder where the appearances would comprise a significant list of episodes and GNs.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:27, 13 June 2007 (EDT) |
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''The other kanji is YO. The translation call it "Godsend". The real meaning of this kanji which is closer is actually "Reward" or "Granted". I can also mean "to cause" (used as a verb).'' - WeirdoBc |
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*I count three times that a sword hilt is shown, none of which I personally mind in the gallery. [[:Image:Symbol hiros katana.jpg|This one]] is the first one, when Future Hiro carries the sword on the subway. [[:Image:Symbol sword normal.jpg|This one]] is a very nice shot, but it's actually a replica of the actual sword. [[:Image:Kensei drawing sword.JPG|This one]] is the one the Kensei uses in 1671--it's probably the same sword, but we don't have confirmation of that. Even if they were all the same sword, they're all shown in different times and circumstances (in the present at a museum, from 5 years into the future, and from 300+ years ago), so I think it's fine. The same goes for the banners that are shown one on top of the other: one banner is from 1671, and the other is from the present in Jittetu Arms. They're possibly the same banner, but not only do we not have confirmation of that, but they're shown in such different circumstances that I'd say it's allowable. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:29, 13 June 2007 (EDT) |
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**So should all symbol locations that appear multiple times in different circumstances be in the image gallery? That's really the point of my initial question. If they should, then there are numerous images that should be added I think.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 13:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT) |
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***I don't think it's necessary in every circumstance. Jessica's tattoo is shown twice I think--once on her back, and once in a painting. I'd say the one where she's painting over it is fine, too. Any more would be superfluous. Same with the Haitian's necklace--it's shown on him, and the one on his father might be the same one. If they show it being, I don't know, melted down, then that might be another instance to show it. I think one main appearance, and then any really unique appearances would be enough. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:05, 13 June 2007 (EDT) |
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==Running Joke?== |
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* Since Hiro and Ando explicitly interpreted the symbol this way, shouldn't we add images of these kanji to the symbol article?--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 10:25, 23 January 2007 (EST) |
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Just to throw it out there, but perhaps there is no meaning to the helix other than a running joke by the set dressers? It would be similar to finding "Hidden Mickeys" at Disney Parks. [[User:Disney42|Disney42]] 02:03, 22 June 2007 (EDT) |
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*I absolutely agree. In episode 10 if you look very closely at Claire's nose the blood streaked from her eye to the tip of her nose seems to make the symbol. In that same episode Ando is looking at the pictures for Charlie's memorial just before Hiro comes back. A bolt of lightening causes what appears to be the symbol on one of the pictures.I keep seeing it everywhere in the show. Like the pool by one of Sylar's victims, and in the sand where Nikki buries the thugs, to name two more places. |
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*** The Kanji symbols should definitely be added with a good explanation. I suggest not using a screencap in this case (or at least using a screencap alongside a "real" image). - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:49, 23 January 2007 (EST) |
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** It looks like you have a bad case of [[Gumbyspotting]]:) --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 22:41, 8 July 2007 (EDT) |
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== Primatech Symbol == |
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Image:Primatech logo.jpg |
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Okay, according to message boards and Wikipedia, the Symbol appeared on the [[Primatech Paper]] lgo in ''[[Six Months Ago]]''. Any screencaps of this? --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 16:43, 22 June 2007 (EDT) |
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* Well, the Primatech logo is shown pretty clearly above, but there's no symbol in it... unless you invent one the way that [[primatechpaper.com]] did. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:11, 22 June 2007 (EDT) |
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::There IS a symbol there, in the second pic, its sideways above the P. [[User:Dean Harper|Dean Harper]] 23:45, 9 October 2007 (EDT) |
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::* Yeah, that's what they claimed. But notice how it's not ''actually'' the Symbol. The rungs on the Symbol come off of the inside of the curves of the S. The one in the Primatech logo has rungs coming off the outside of the curves of the S. They Failed It.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:13, 10 October 2007 (EDT) |
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:::* Their skill level was not enough? {{:User:UrNoob/sig}} |
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== I think I've got it == |
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What is the basis for saying Jessica has the symbol and Niki doesn't?--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 17:31, 23 January 2007 (EST) |
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The obvious and recurring ones ( the sword hilt, tattoo, jewelery, etc) are integral to the show. The others ( the knives, diamonds, blood stain, Primatech logo, etc) are jokes by the lighting, costume, set, etc designers, like those of the Hidden Mickeys. |
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* They've shown Niki's bare shoulder without it and Jessica's bare shoulder with it ... most notably, when she seduces Nathan, she has it, but when she wakes up the next morning, she doesn't. It also shows up during the middle of her fight with DL in "Better Halves", and throughout "Fallout".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:33, 23 January 2007 (EST) |
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[[Image:Niki shoulder no symbol.jpg|thumb]] [[Image:Symbol nikis tattoo.jpg|thumb]] [[Image:Jessica on broken mirror.jpg|thumb]] |
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== Kaito and Angela photo == |
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The ripped photo of Kaito and Angela had a symbol in red over each of their faces. That much is clear. But I also think the picture was torn along a curve that looks like the symbol. Perhaps an upload of the two parts when they hold them together will verify or falsify that.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 18:26, 25 September 2007 (EDT) |
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* Check out [http://heroeswiki.com/images/archive/8/8c/20070929171012%21Death_notices.jpg this old image]...It looks like a curve, but not the symbol. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:09, 14 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== Water "Mark" on Deveaux Apt Roof Ledge by Crime Scene == |
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* In episode "Don't Look Back", at 11:53, when Niki awakens in her garage to find the mutilated bodies of the thugs, the symbol is on the left side of Jessica's face when she holds her index finger in front of her mouth asking for secrecy from the broken mirror.--[[User:RicSantiago|RicSantiago]] 10:37, 24 March 2007 (EDT) |
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[[Image:PossibleSymbolInH2OInLizardsOnDeveauxRoof.PNG|thumb|^ Hidden HEROES Symbol?]] |
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** No it's not. It's just a scar. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]]</small> 12:04, 24 March 2007 (EDT) |
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Can anyone imagine that the [http://snurl.com/HEROES_Helix HEROES Helix Symbol] (slight plug...) is seen in the water "mark" a little to the right of Matt Parkman on the ledge, probably around where Kaito and the hooded guy left the building to test the effects of gravity ([http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k18/1HERO/202/LizardsDeveauxRoofSymbolInH2O.png here is a screenshot] or thumbnail to the right)? |
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*** A scar that looks like the symbol, it's a wink of the producers I think. I personnaly consider this as a symbol appearance. --[[User:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold;">FrenchFlo</span>]][[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(contribs)</span>]] 12:07, 24 March 2007 (EDT) |
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**** I dunno. It ''kinda'' looks like [[The Symbol]], more than a lot of them ... but the early appearances of the Symbol weren't even a little bit sneaky ... they pretty much hit you over the head with it (the one in the pool, Claire's book, the Haitian's necklace, etc.). This would have been the very first appearance of the Symbol (and the only appearance in ''Genesis'' at all), and it's backwards, and I don't see a rung on the top bit. It just looks like a streak of blood with two drips. I think it's probably just a coincidence. I just have a hard time believing the producers would put in ''that'' subtle a reference to something that nobody had seen yet. If it was in ''Fallout'', it would be one thing, but it's a pretty lousy first appearance ... especially considering they didn't exactly ease into it in ''Don't Look Back''. My guess is that the Symbol is something they came up with after they shot the pilot, which was done a long while before they started shooting the series (and with different producers and not all the writers on board yet.)--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:11, 24 March 2007 (EDT) |
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If you tilt your head a little to the left and imagine the Symbol with the one roughly horizontal line going to the right and the two other horizontals at the bottom left, then it could be one of the "stealthy" hidden Symbols. What do you think? [[User:'ROESian|'ROESian]] |
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== External Link for Kanji Symbols == |
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* I see what you're referring to, but it's not well-formed whereas all of the other instances of The Symbol are well-formed. However, I do see [[Gumbyspotting|Gumby]] in the light area on the edge right to the left of the water stain. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 21:19, 14 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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[[Image:PossibleGumbyInH2OInLizardsOnDeveauxRoof.PNG|thumb|The Symbol....or Gumby?]] |
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== The Season 2 Principal Villain's Power == |
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The lead description says that the 2 symbols Ando saw were "Sai" and "Yo". Can we get either an external source or at least an image of these two symbols? - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 06:49, 24 January 2007 (EST) |
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*It is possible that the symbol is the footprint of the yet-unrevealed villain's power. Think an evil version of "Bink" from the Xanth novels - he has the ability to bend the destiny and perhaps even actions/minds of those with powers subtly and to small degrees such that it benefits him. This would explain many of the strange coincidences in the series that are otherwise contrived and why the symbol miraculously appears on peter's arm after he receives his tattoo and other nearly inexplicable places. How about it appearing on Jessica and not Niki? |
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Under this interpretation, there are no "joke" insertions of it. The symbol's presence is either someone intentionally putting it there because they've been inundated with it, or the mark of the villain's influence- pretty much always in association with those who have powers or are very very close to those who do. |
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== Backward symbol on Hilt == |
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:*I also think that this Symbol, in S2 especially, is the sign of this "nightmare man". Just because it was [[:Image:Symbol_mollys_eyes.jpg|seen in Molly's eyes]], straight after she'd has a vision of the bad guy.. Or maybe it's just supposed to represent evil, or bad events happening; [[Peter]]'s tattoo changed to the Symbol right after he'd almost killed the henchman (and he said he would have killed him if not for [[Caitlin]]), and [[Niki]] always gets it on her back when she's evil [[Jessica]]. Just a thought. --{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 05:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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I just noticed that the symbol on the hilt of the replica sword faces the opposite direction of every other occurrence of the symbol, including the one on the hilt of future Hiro's sword. Is the graphic we are using for that by any chance from a picture of a reflection of the symbol in a mirror?--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 13:50, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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** Weirder still: it's normal in the shot of the armor, and flipped in the close-up one second later. Sounds like either a production problem, or it's reversed on the other side of the hilt.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:27, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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[[Image:Symbol_sword_normal.jpg]] [[Image:Symbol_sword_hilt.jpg]] |
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== Tattoo... == |
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Image:Symbol car parts.jpg |
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Image:Symbol-godsend.jpg |
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The article says the Symbol can be seen "on the first axel of the car [[Hiro]] and [[Ando]] are hiding under while trying to escape thugs" (''[[The Fix]]''). Is anybody else seeing this, or am I just so myopic that I'm overlooking something so obvious. Can we grab a screencap for Grandpa Ryan over here? Thanks! — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:16, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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* I've seen the screencap. To say it's a stretch would be polite. There's a curved hose or oil line or something, no visible rungs. I can get a cap, but it's "in the sand when Niki buries the thugs" all over again, IMHO.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:48, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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** Here it is, with the most favorable light level adjustment I could make. The hose clip could be one rung, but that's it. A curve and one rung does not the Symbol make. |
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*** I agree, doesn't look like it to me either. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:04, 3 February 2007 (EST)) |
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****No wonder I couldn't find it when I went back and rewatched. Is every curvature the Symbol now? In that cap, Ando's eyebrows resemble the Symbol more than the car's tube. Golly, and I thought I was going blind... — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:22, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** I see it in the image... see it now... [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 01:15, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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**** I see what people think is the Symbol. I saw it before. If that's the symbol, then my car has it, too!--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:21, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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*****Yeah, I'm just not buying it. It's clever, but a bit too much of a stretch for me (aside from the fact that it's backwards). — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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I'm not sure. I never gave it a second thought with Niki and Jessica, but Peter's mark made me think... I'm not sure it's a tattoo on either of them. I don't have something better to call it, but I don't think someone took ink to their arm or back to put in the mark. Something is up. Hopefully they'll explain it more.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 11:15, 14 October 2007 (EDT) |
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==Merge appearances with gallery?== |
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Should we do away with the text list of appearances and just merge it with the gallery? That's what we did with [[Isaac's paintings]] and ... uh ... another article that had both which escapes me at the moment.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:35, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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* You seem ... [[Wikipedia:Cocaine|forgetful]] tonight. :) ... Yes, that sounds right to me. It's pretty redundant. And the only thing that would need to be added to the gallery is the episode references. We should probably leave Ando's explanation alone, though. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:48, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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** Like I said, I must have overdone the [[wikipedia:Nutmeg#Risks_and_toxicity|nutmeg]] in the Alfredo sauce tonight or something. In any case, the only problem is that the gallery will be right up under the sidebar. I'll try inserting a <code><br clear="all"></code>, but if it's too distracting, we might need some kind of filler at the top of the article. Maybe a regular history section, since the Symbol has only been acknowledged once so far.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:55, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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***Yeah, I don't think it'll be too distracting. But if it is, we can always scoot the Notes/Trivia up there — or better, Ando's explanation. Besides, Ando's gallery should probably have a little more than one sentence talking about the context of Ando's explanation. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:04, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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****Now it bugs me that the descriptions are all fragments but have terminal punctuation. Should we delete the periods, de-frag the descriptions, or change the lead in to "The symbol is found..." and the descriptions to "...on the mole on Uluru's Girlfriend's chin."?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:12, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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*****Actually, they're technically not fragments. Since the description before the entire gallery already says "The Symbol is found:", then anything following that would be a completion of that sentence, even if (and especially if) they're capitalized. I think it's fine as is, but if you want to change each caption, that's fine, too. I would actually prefer each caption to be a sentence, but it seems like more work than I'm willing to put in right now. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:21, 12 February 2007 (EST) |
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== Symbol in Out of Time == |
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== Other Occurances == |
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[[Image:Dolphin symbol.JPG|right|thumb]] |
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[[Image:Gumby in the sand.jpg|right|thumb]] |
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These are listed on Wikipedia: |
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*Seen in the form of an ice sculpture as a dolphin in the kitchen of a Las Vegas casino. |
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*On the poker chips from Linderman's casino. |
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*On a shirt worn by the Haitian as a young boy |
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*In the sand where Niki finds--[[User:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold;">FrenchFlo</span>]][[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(contribs)</span>]] 15:06, 26 February 2007 (EST) the dead bodies. |
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Anyone got screen shots of them?--[[User:ASEO|ASEO]] 14:35, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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*The Haitian as a young boy? I'm assuming that's from tonight's episode. The Niki's sand/dead bodies reference was just added to Wikipedia today -- it's either from tonight's episode, or way back from episode 2 or 3. I think that topic came up way back when and we decided there was no symbol in the sand, though it wouldn't hurt if somebody wanted to go and take a second look. As for the casino, I didn't notice anything in the Montecito, but I'll go back and see what I can find. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:51, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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** Just checked the [[Collision]] episode with the Casino quickly, did't have noticed any symbol. --[[User:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold;">FrenchFlo</span>]][[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(contribs)</span>]] 14:53, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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**Okay, I think the picture at the right is what people are talking about on [[Wikipedia:Heroes (TV series)#The symbol|Wikipedia]]. Sure, the dolphin has the same general shape as the symbol, but so does the car part (see [[Talk:The Symbol#In the parking garage|above]]). I don't buy that this is the symbol. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:02, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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*** If we take that dolphin as the symbol, we should consider that everything looking like a "S" or "F" is the symbol ? I mean, everything that is not a square or a rectangle isn't the symbol... I can't buy that. --[[User:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold;">FrenchFlo</span>]][[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(contribs)</span>]] 15:06, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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****Funny. I actually buy the dolphin more than [[:Image:Symbol car parts.jpg|the car part]] or [[:Image:Symbol-run.jpg|Nathan's desk]]. But I agree, just because it has a curved shape does not a symbol make. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:13, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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**** Yeah, I don't buy the dolphin or car part.--[[User:ASEO|ASEO]] 15:35, 26 February 2007 (EST) |
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***** I actually ''do'' buy the dolphin, and I'm normally a massive symbol skeptic. I can't imagine they'd go to all the trouble of making a big, curved ice sculpture just for set dressing--if it's real ice, they would have needed several because they'd melt fairly quickly under the lights, and good fake resin ice is tricky to make. It would be a lot of effort for nothing.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:58, 3 March 2007 (EST) |
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****** I don't mind putting it on -- it's not any more "out there" than the bowl of pasta. I was more making a point about the car and Gumby. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 08:19, 3 March 2007 (EST) |
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****** I think the dolphin is stretching it. Personally I have yet to see an image of it where it looks like The Symbol to me rather than just a dolphin. Sure it's curved and has features that perhaps you could stretch into representing The Symbol, but it doesn't seem conclusive enough to add to the article. The pasta on the other hand when viewed at high def does appear to form The Symbol (to me at least). ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 10:46, 3 March 2007 (EST)) |
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** The poker chips have the Montecito logo on them, not the Symbol: [[Image:Hopes money montecito chips.jpg|thumb|right]]--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:42, 10 March 2007 (EST) |
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**Hey, at least we have a better lead/portal pic for [[Hope's money]], now! — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 03:47, 10 March 2007 (EST) |
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OK, I could have sworn I saw the symbol written in chalk on a beam in Future New York. Did anyone else see it, or is it a [[Gumby]]? --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 17:18, 6 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Something that I do not get... == |
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==The Bennets' home== |
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[[Image:Symbol bennets door.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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* I believe that I saw the symbol on the door of Claire's house immediately before it explodes in [[Company Man]]. Try to look for it in the closeup on the door. Can anyone check it out because I don't have TiVo.--[[User:Aznpride|Casio]] 18:59, 2 March 2007 (EST) |
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** Nice catch. I just checked my recording and I do see it, too. In a few of the scenes after Ted begins flaring and before the door blows off you see a well-formed outline of The Symbol in the left pane of glass. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 19:36, 2 March 2007 (EST)) |
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***So... can we get a screencap of it? (I'm out of town right now.) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:30, 3 March 2007 (EST) |
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**** I can't for the life of me find it. Is it before or after Claire runs into the house? Is it shot from the inside of the house or the outside? Is it in the pane in the door or one of the sidelights? I'm just not too sure where to look.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:44, 3 March 2007 (EST) |
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**** Is this it?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:51, 3 March 2007 (EST) |
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***** Yep, I think there are a couple shots of it, but that's one of the good ones right there. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 01:29, 3 March 2007 (EST)) |
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[[Tim Kring]] and [[Greg Beeman]] both state in the TV Guide interview that [[Niki]] just has a [[Split personality]], and that her only ability is [[enhanced strength]] and has nothing to do with [[Jessica]]. But this would not explain the change in [[jessica's tattoo|appearance]]. anyone else agree? [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 16:11, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Symbol in every episode? == |
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* ''Heroes'' is a science '''''fiction''''' show. Keyword = fiction. The writers like to throw in little things here and there to make the story more interesting, like a mystical symbol (which has been recurring) appearing on someone's skin. Hey, look at Peter. The family crest tattoo that Caitlin gave him transformed into the symbol. It's science ''fiction''.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 21:04, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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** Wow, how snide can you be? [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 22:23, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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*** I actually didn't mean it like that. I apologize if it came out wrong, but I think the tattoo is just part of the science fiction theme of the show.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 11:30, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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==Possible appearance in [[Four Months Ago...]]== |
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Ok, so the symbol has been spotted in every epsode except for these five: |
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I believe I saw the Symbol form in the sink from the pills that Niki poured down the drain. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Riffsyphon1024|Riffsyphon1024]] 23:04, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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* The pills were red and white, not [[Gumby|green]]... (kidding. I don't know)--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:06, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Helix or Symbol == |
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* [[Genesis]] (seen in unaired photo however) |
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* [[Nothing to Hide]]--Jessica's tattoo, after she breaks the mirror and just before she turns around to talk to Tina |
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* [[Six Months Ago]]--The Haitian's necklace as he stops Eden, the cover of ''Activating Evolution'' which Chandra shows to Gabriel Gray |
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* [[Run!]] -- Seen when Jessica covers up her tattoo with makeup |
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* In recent interviews and commentaries, are they still referring to this as "the symbol" or have they started exclusively calling it the helix? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 17:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)) |
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Anybody think perhaps the symbol actually appears in those episodes as well, they've just not been found yet? I'm gonna rewatch them sometime and look carefully --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 19:51, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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**I believe I've heard both, but I don't have any references handy and I can't cite anything specific. I may just be mentally substituting "The Symbol" every time I hear "Helix" which I find less desirable. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:10, 1 December 2007 (EST) |
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* It didn't appear in ''Genesis'', though it's in that unaired photo.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 20:06, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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** Oops, just saw the genesis link but didnt read the description.. still it sorta counts hehe :) --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 20:37, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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**The other thing to keep in mind is that those episodes may contain "repeat" appearances (like Jessica's tattoo or the Haitian's necklace).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 20:48, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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***Yeah i was thinking about that.. perhaps this page should have an episode index which lists every appearance of the symbol... btw it showed up in Parasite.. did ya catch it? :D --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 21:12, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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**** I don't think it's necessary to list every time the Haitian's necklace is shown, or every time the cover of ''Activating Evolution'' is shot....at least not on this page. This article is for chronicling all the places the symbol appears--I don't think it's necessary to list every time there is a cut to Jessica's tattoo. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:16, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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*I would say that's a fantastic idea. Keep your eyes peeled for suspicious-looking bowls of pasta! — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:12, 5 March 2007 (EST) |
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*Spotted it in Run!.. something tells me it's actually in every episode except maybe genesis :) --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 01:10, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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**<s>6MA might be tricky, too. It's not seen on Jessica's shoulder when she threatens Hal because her stupid hair is in the way. It's not on Chandra's map. The Haitian doesn't appear. I don't recall if anyone looks at ''Activating Evolution'' though.</s> Yeah, it's in 6MA at least twice.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:26, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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***Cool! I figured as much :D --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 04:03, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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== Possible spotting of the helix? == |
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== Parasite Scales == |
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[[Image:Gumby freckles.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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I know this might sound a bit over seen, but im pretty sure the spots on clair's nose in the beach scene with west create the helix. |
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heres a pic [http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8927/vlcsnap454405pb1.png Click here for picture]--[[User:Ofer1992|Ofer1992]] 15:59, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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*[[Gumby|Yeah, I think see it!]] -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:12, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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* Now that's just grotesque. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 22:13, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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* I know this is going to sound rude, but I think that's hilarious. The symbol appearing on Claire's freckles...--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:05, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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**Isn't that why [[Hayden Panettiere]] hired? I believe there's a policy that all cast members must have some part of their body that resembles the Symbol. You should see Masi Oka's "helix"! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:06, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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* Hey, Ofer1992. Just wanted to let you know that the jokes above are definitely meant to be playful and not mocking. :) We've gone though a lot of potential Symbol occurrences in the past and the [[Gumby]] reference is a long-running joke. :) I've seen someone else mention that they thought they saw [[The Symbol]] in her freckles, however what we've found in the past is that the true Symbol occurrences are actually very well defined and don't require much imagination or focusing to make out. That being said I don't believe this is an instance of [[The Symbol]], but thanks for pointing it out! :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:25, 2 December 2007 (EST)) |
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**Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm making fun of you personally, which I'm not. I just enjoy taking any opportunity I can to make a [[Gumby]] image...and I'm glad there are fans out there keeping their eyes peeled for the details. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:32, 2 December 2007 (EST) |
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*** Same here, don't take it personally, Ofer1992. I myself have used my imagination to spot the Symbol in many places. I find these things amusing. I even amuse myself sometimes.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 00:02, 3 December 2007 (EST) |
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**** Hehe, its okay, it just popped out on me when i was watching the episode again so i thought i might share it :).--[[User:Ofer1992|Ofer1992]] 11:22, 3 December 2007 (EST) |
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== The symbol...apparently == |
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Okay --- I threw this one around a lot --- and don't really know --- the scales on Mohinders desk when it is about to pan out of the scene --- have two pencils and the edge of the laptop that makes it look "sorta" like the helix--- I wanted a second opinion --- and a screencap if anyone can do that. and oh by the way --- i think that dolphin looks so much like the helix it should be added as a possible example --- if you guys want to create that thread. [[User:Totallycharged|Guy]] 16:04, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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* I think the scales are just incidental. There are times earlier in the scene where the pencils cross the balance beam, but there's never a third "rung" on the other side (the edge of the laptop is a pretty huge stretch). That, and the fact that the balance beam of the scale is symmetrical left-to-right, and not s-curved like the symbol, make me think it wasn't intentional.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:14, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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i was on the images section for [[The Fix]] and saw two users had put a picture apparently with the symbol. so i was wondering if you agree it should be put here or just disregarded: |
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**Yeah that is what I thought two ---- but the dolphin really has me going now |
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***I tend to agree. At least it's curved the right way (unlike the car parts, which are reversed), has sticky-out bits on both parts of the curve (unlike the scales), and is a complete curve with no gaps (unlike Nathan's desk or Ted's icons.)--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:22, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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[[Image:Symbol-godsend.jpg]] |
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****Can't we do possible symbol sightings --- I thought I heard something like that there has been over one hundred of the symbols presented in the series already. I mean --- the door --- i would have never seen that ----the only ones ive seen on my own is the pool, the computer, and obvious ones, like when the Hatian holds the necklace or the hilt of the sword in the museum. |
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***** It seems reasonable. The new page would belong in [[:Category:Theories]]. Though it could get crazy just like the Theories do. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:39, 9 March 2007 (EST)) |
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tbh i can see where they are coming from but it just looks like car pipes :D |
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****** yeah cool how do you start something like that? |
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*Yeah, I don't think it's anything other than just a curvy shape. See [[Talk:The Symbol/Archive1#In the parking garage|here]] (and [[:Image:Gumbycarparts.jpg|here]]) for an older discussion on the issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:43, 3 December 2007 (EST) |
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****** I'm not sure it would hurt to have a separate "possible sightings" on this page, even. For one thing, it would encourage only sightings where people can get a screencap. For another, some of the ones on this page are pretty contentious (I still don't buy the Bennets' front door (it's curved the wrong way, and only vaguely symbol-like at that) and lots of people don't buy the pasta, though I think that one's pretty clear).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:48, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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******* I was just worried that the page might fill up more quickly and the talk become full of discussions on possible sightings. Was thinking it would be cleaner to have a separate page and then include a link here to the possible sightings. As for the front door, it really looks like The Symbol to me... you're right it's backwards, though from the inside it would be correct. :) Hardvice, do you have the episode in HD? Check it out frame by frame, you might find a version that looks clearer to you. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:54, 9 March 2007 (EST)) |
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== ...Maybe? == |
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******** Re the front door.. They show the door multiple times and only that time is there any kind of symbol or anything visible. It's a complete S-shape, and it's got the rungs in the proper places. If it wasn't deliberate, it's pretty serendipitous.. even more than the car part --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 17:24, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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********* Like the car part, it's backwards. Also, while it looks sort of like the symbol in stills (though not all the rungs are connected to the backwards S), in motion it just looks like flickering lights. Even in HD, I still don't buy it.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:49, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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I'd need to see a high-res picture to be sure, but it looks like this new prophetic painting of the earth being split in two as seen in [[The Second Coming]] and [[The Butterfly Effect]] might have the symbol in it. The main crack is oddly curved and some of the other, more minor cracks seem to form rungs. Does anyone else see this? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:00, 23 September 2008 (EDT) |
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********** On the car part, the "rungs" go across the S while on the door they're only on the appropriate sides. sure they don't connect but they the rungs don't touch directly on the pasta, the broken glass or the stones either. I think it's much more likely the door was intentional than the car part. I'll have to check out these scales though. :) --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 19:40, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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* It did. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:02, 23 September 2008 (EDT) |
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*********** The scales are really not worth it. The balance is shaped like a melodrama villain's handlebar mustache, not like an "s".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:58, 10 March 2007 (EST) |
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******** I really like the idea of a "Possible Appearances" section. Our talk page is already filled with discussions about possible sightings. It's a good idea to give some of the more iffy ones their fair due ... except for that desktop one. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:55, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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== La cité des enfants perdus == |
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******** Which desktop one? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 09:13, 10 March 2007 (EST) |
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*********I think the "possible sightings" could be an extension of the theries page. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]] 23:54, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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[http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap142394rr3.png This is a cool image], but it's just a scar, not the symbol, and certainly not a [[list of references to Heroes|reference to ''Heroes'']]. Good try! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:02, 3 October 2008 (EDT) |
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<gallery> |
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: Aw... it's the symbol, never implied it was a reference to Heroes, I just put it as a trivia because it's the same symbol appearing before the series Heroes even existed. It IS interesting, don't you think? --[[User:Heffeque|Heffeque]] 21:06, 3 October 2008 (EDT) |
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Image:Symbol-run.jpg|...this one... |
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:: For those who missed my edit: |
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Image:Symbol-run1.jpg|...which is highlighted here... |
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:: * In the movie ''La cité des enfants perdus'' ([http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/ The city of of Lost Children], 1995), the symbol appears in the side of the face of one of the clones. Image here: [http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap142394rr3.png Image]. Time of appearance in the movie: 0:51:18. --[[User:Heffeque|Heffeque]] 21:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT) |
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Image:Gumby run.jpg|...and debunked here. |
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* It's definitely interesting, but it's not the symbol. It's missing two rungs, doesn't look like a complete ''S'' shape, and was filmed way before ''Heroes'' began. It's cool, but I don't think it's right for this page. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** The two rungs are there (right beside the eye), but I guess you're right in the way that it has nothing to do with Heroes :-/ I guess it'll have to stay here in the discussion board as a curiosity :-/ Cheers! --[[User:Heffeque|Heffeque]] 21:32, 3 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:::::::* :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 09:59, 10 March 2007 (EST) |
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*** Yeah, that's the way it goes sometimes...Actually, try digging through some of the [[Talk:The Symbol/Archive1|archives for this talk page]], and you'll see tons of similar of examples of curvy shapes that just aren't the symbol. You might even find a [[Gumby]] or two! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:53, 4 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Blood Stain == |
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[[Image:Sylar_pours_lighter_fluid_on_Elle's_body.jpg|thumb|right]][[Image:Gumby, I mean Sylar, on the elevator.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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I am sure this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find the discussion anywhere. I believe I saw a slightly Symbol resembling curve shape on Sylar's bloodied-up shirt during the last two ''Heroes'' episodes in ''Villians''. I don't have proper technology to pause or screen cap what I saw, and I believe there weren't any rungs. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I don't want to start [[Gumbyspotting|seeing things that aren't there]]. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] |
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:I saw Gumby, but that's about it. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 19:33, 21 December 2008 (EST) |
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::No no later. Try when he was in the elevator. It is smaller. That blood stain is only vaguely even kind of curved. There are other, more symbol-like blood stains. And I must agree; I only see Gumby in that pic.--[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] |
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:::Ah, well there are no screencaps from the elevator and I'm too lazy to go look at the episode myself. :P So if anyone else wants to take that on they're more than welcome to. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 19:46, 21 December 2008 (EST) |
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:::: I don't see nuthin'. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:35, 21 December 2008 (EST) |
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:::::Yeah that was the scene I was talking about. No symbol, just Gumby. I figured, I DID watch that episode seven minutes before midnight. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] |
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== in every episode? == |
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seems like the newest season we haven't seen it.. unless it's super hidden. --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 20:34, 19 February 2009 (EST) |
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*Im not trying to be rude, but you shouldn't expect the production staff to include it. It's not like the numbers in lost, the symbol it doesn't have a great deal relevance to the plot (atm) and I don't think that it will appear too often (if at all) to be honest. --[[User:Lolwut|Lolwut]] 15:12, 24 February 2009 (EST) |
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** I think he's talking about the trivia note that says it's been in every episode to date. I believe that was true in the first season, but not any more. Unless it IS in fact super hidden. Can anyone verify that it's been in every episode?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 12:42, 3 March 2009 (EST) |
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== Volume Four == |
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We didn't see it at all in volume four, did we? {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 23:11, 27 April 2009 (EDT) |
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* Once at [[Big Jim's]]. See [[:Image:SymbolSylarLuke.jpg]] (graffiti on the wall) and [[:Image:Symbol Sylar Luke 2.jpg]] (on a tipped over trash can). -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT) |
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==Sprint phone shows and webisodes== |
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I didn' see anything for the mobile epesodes, has anyone checked them yet? Or is Evolutions both a interactive plot and a mobile series? P.S. has anyone seen it in nowhere man yet?--[[User:Autobot2|Hawkeye]] 09:58, 14 May 2009 (EDT) |
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== Another Gumby? == |
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I was rewatching Homecoming and saw this. [[Image:Gumbysymbol.jpg|250px]] Is it a gumby or not? --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 13:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT) |
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* A bit far-fetched, but possible. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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== Claires scar == |
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Doesnt [[:Image:Regeneration_in_411_(1).JPG|this]] scar look like the helix? |
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*I see where you're coming from but I don't think so. If it was more distinct then maybe. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 10:36, 12 December 2009 (EST) |
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== Hachiro's study window == |
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==The smoking gun== |
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[[Image:Symbolsmoke.jpg|right]] |
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[[Image:Gumbysmoke.jpg|right]] |
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the smoke from the gun when mohinder shoots sylar? --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 21:48, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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* That's too much of a stretch. |
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**I'd actually be curious to see a picture (mostly so I could ridicule it, but still...) If the smoke from a gun were in the shape of the symbol, it would most likely be done with CGI. That would be the first example of the symbol being created artificially rather than with physically. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:50, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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***Ah, didn't realize there was a picture already here. And now I can make fun it. Is somebody, um, ''smoking'' something? ... <small>Yeah, lame, I know.</small> — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:53, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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**** I actually found that quite funny [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]] 23:56, 14 March 2007 (EDT) |
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* I TOTALLY SEE GUMBY ON THIS ONE! I AM NOT EVEN JOKING! see picture.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:11, 15 March 2007 (EDT) |
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**Now, that's uncanny. And somebody is quite proficient at Photoshop! — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT) |
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As a side note, in Hachiro's study, The Symbol is only partially visible on the window if you glance between Miko's legs in ''[[Episode:Brave New World (Heroes Reborn)|Brave New World]]'' when she enters the study. However, it is definitely not there earlier in time (''[[Episode:June 13th, Part Two|June 13th, Part Two]]''). The main reason I know about it is from [//www.nbcumv.com/programming/nbc-entertainment/heroes-reborn/photos?&from-date=09-16-2015&to-date=09-23-2015&&photo_type%5B0%5D=61 three promotional images] that show The Symbol in the window with Miko in the study.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:15, 8 November 2015 (EST) |
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==New Gumby sighting== |
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According to a poster at 9thwonders.com, this is the symbol:<br> |
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[[Image:Gumby linderman knives.jpg]]<br> |
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This may be my favorite yet. I just can't figure out how they see the Symbol in this one. Heck, I can't even find Gumby in it.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:27, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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* i noticed those knives too.. I think they were just arranged all crazy to add tension to the scene --[[User:Frantik|Frantik]] ([[User talk:Frantik|Talk]]) 03:05, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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** NO YOU ARE WRONG IT IS THE SYMBOL OK? *snort* --[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:17, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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***You don't see Gumby? — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 07:14, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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[[Image:Are you sure that's a pot pie.JPG]] |
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::::Exuse me but I don't get the point with the gumby you add on screens and I don't understand if you are laughing about the screen of the knives or not because I actually see the symbol on this capture and I don't know how you can't see it if you don't oO Could someone explain me the joke ? --[[User:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold;">FrenchFlo</span>]][[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo|<span style="color:grey; font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">(contribs)</span>]] 07:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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:::::Well, it's very unfunny joke that I, for one, believe will get funnier around, oh, the thousandth time it's used. :) It started [[Image talk:Symbol-run.jpg|here]] as an innocent joke, and now has become somewhat of an obsession, I believe. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 08:19, 21 March 2007 (EDT) |
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knives
Okay so i just did my best to show HOW someone could possibly get the symbol out of this one---- and this was my best shot --- this is rediculous --- who in the right mind would see this -- but then again --- i see the symbol places as well --- the onlly thing that would lead me to believe that this is the symbol -- is the fact that they had to set it up like that in that crazy mess.
- Heh, good job taking a "stab" at that one. Oh, oh ... Anyway, good try. However, your alternately using positive and negative space to creat the symbol. Also, the curvy part seems ... invented out of nothing. It's cute (I especially like the pink), but I think it's a bit of a stretch. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- yeah but the stones and shards of glass also used positive and negative space interchangeably --- but yeah --- i thought it was crazy Guy 12:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, the stones didn't use any negative space to create the Symbol--the empty space was used like a dot-to-dot. The knives don't create any curvy spine, you have to either create one in your mind or follow a very angular negative space. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:40, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
- yeah but the stones and shards of glass also used positive and negative space interchangeably --- but yeah --- i thought it was crazy Guy 12:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Haha, definitely a nice attempt. I, on the other hand, have just spent the past two hours watching the original pilot (the longer one pre-released for some viewers, I have it saved to my iTunes) trying to see if the symbol might actually have shown up in Genesis. My friends and I, possibly due to the effects of staying up past 1am, thought one COULD say you see the symbol when Isaac is on the floor after his overdose saying we have to stop it. His leg is curved to one side, Simone above him curved to make an S, and his arms are folded over to the one side as he points ... huh? Huh?! Come on ... :) — Vangogh414 (talk) 02:15, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
- Is this what you're talking about? Because I see Pokey. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
- Aw, Pokey! :). But, yeah, that was the scene I was talking about ... although now that there's an actual screenshot, our whole theory got shot to ... well, you know. — Vangogh414 (talk) 14:07, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
Geometry book
Did Claire's geometry book really appear in One Giant Leap? Without going back and looking, I'm pretty sure it was in Don't Look Back. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
- I just checked and sure enough that exact shot is from One Giant Leap. I also went back and checked Don't Look Back as well and I don't see it in there. (Admin 11:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT))
The first time
When was the first time you noticed the symbol? For me, it was when I noticed it in the algorithm. Heroe!(talk) 00:30, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
- Me too! But then I started noticing it on Chandra's book and the Haitian's necklace and Hiro's sword.-User:Citizen
- I first spotted it on the grey hound sign, but I didn't nottice it again untill Hiro pointed it out on his sword. Back then I wasn't as into the show, yeah sooo its not that my powers aren't working hehe, they're perfectly fine! sereiously!!!...I'm a disgrace to my name...--Hawkeye 10:50, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
Diamonds
- Anybody see it here? I see what may be a pile of diamonds, or even the first letter of my last name, as a stretch. But no rungs, no symbol. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:16, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- I don't see anything but diamond neither. -- FrenchFlo (talk) 13:21, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- Doesn't look like it to me, either. (Admin 13:23, 11 May 2007 (EDT))
- (So it was either and not neither. I wasn't sure.) -- FrenchFlo (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- Either is used with a negative verb and neither is used with an affirmative verb. "I don't speak French. I don't either. Neither do I." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- I can kinda pick out the S-curve, but I'm not getting any side bars. --Ted C 14:01, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, that's a stretch. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) Random Page! 14:07, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- I can force myself to see the top two rungs, but there's nothing on the bottom. Plus, it's a continuous shot in Unexpected: Matt pours the diamonds out of the bag and they land in that shape--no cut. They'd have had to digitally edit it to get that shot to form the Symbol; if they had done so, it would have been a heck of a lot clearer (they're not actually very subtle with most of these appearances).--Hardvice (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- (So it was either and not neither. I wasn't sure.) -- FrenchFlo (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Godsend
So does the symbol means Godsend for real or ... ? Anyway, Hiro says godsend when Ando points him out the symbol. -- FrenchFlo (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
- Sort of: check out Ando's explanation. He sees two Japanese kanji symbols in the Symbol: "sai" and "yo". "Yo" means godsend in real life. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
Possible Explanations
I took Ando's explanation and put it under the heading "Possible Explanations", along with Guillame's story about the serpent and the crane. I'm not sure "Possible Explanations" is the best heading title because it sounds like the section is speculative, which it's not. However, I can't think of a better alternative. "References to the Symbol" doesn't really work since it's too broad, and "Characters Talking about the Symbol" is too clunky, obviously. :) Any suggestions? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:18, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- "Legends and Uses" perhaps?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2007 (EST)
Exhaustive List?
I notice that the symbol image gallery includes the sword hilt twice. But all of the other places it is found are only included once. Is there a reason for including the sword twice? I assume that the gallery is not intended to be so exhaustive as to include repeat appearances--that would be impractical IMHO. But it might be good to have one image for each place the image appears with a caption saying from where that particular image was taken along with a list of other episodes and GNs where the same version of the image appears. I notice that the image on Guillaume's necklace appears at the end of It Takes a Village, Part 3, in addition to the listed appearance from Part 1. It might be good to list that without adding a separate image. Naturally, there are other places, like Jessica's shoulder where the appearances would comprise a significant list of episodes and GNs.--E rowe 11:27, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- I count three times that a sword hilt is shown, none of which I personally mind in the gallery. This one is the first one, when Future Hiro carries the sword on the subway. This one is a very nice shot, but it's actually a replica of the actual sword. This one is the one the Kensei uses in 1671--it's probably the same sword, but we don't have confirmation of that. Even if they were all the same sword, they're all shown in different times and circumstances (in the present at a museum, from 5 years into the future, and from 300+ years ago), so I think it's fine. The same goes for the banners that are shown one on top of the other: one banner is from 1671, and the other is from the present in Jittetu Arms. They're possibly the same banner, but not only do we not have confirmation of that, but they're shown in such different circumstances that I'd say it's allowable. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- So should all symbol locations that appear multiple times in different circumstances be in the image gallery? That's really the point of my initial question. If they should, then there are numerous images that should be added I think.--E rowe 13:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- I don't think it's necessary in every circumstance. Jessica's tattoo is shown twice I think--once on her back, and once in a painting. I'd say the one where she's painting over it is fine, too. Any more would be superfluous. Same with the Haitian's necklace--it's shown on him, and the one on his father might be the same one. If they show it being, I don't know, melted down, then that might be another instance to show it. I think one main appearance, and then any really unique appearances would be enough. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:05, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- So should all symbol locations that appear multiple times in different circumstances be in the image gallery? That's really the point of my initial question. If they should, then there are numerous images that should be added I think.--E rowe 13:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Running Joke?
Just to throw it out there, but perhaps there is no meaning to the helix other than a running joke by the set dressers? It would be similar to finding "Hidden Mickeys" at Disney Parks. Disney42 02:03, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- I absolutely agree. In episode 10 if you look very closely at Claire's nose the blood streaked from her eye to the tip of her nose seems to make the symbol. In that same episode Ando is looking at the pictures for Charlie's memorial just before Hiro comes back. A bolt of lightening causes what appears to be the symbol on one of the pictures.I keep seeing it everywhere in the show. Like the pool by one of Sylar's victims, and in the sand where Nikki buries the thugs, to name two more places.
- It looks like you have a bad case of Gumbyspotting:) --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:41, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
Primatech Symbol
Okay, according to message boards and Wikipedia, the Symbol appeared on the Primatech Paper lgo in Six Months Ago. Any screencaps of this? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:43, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- Well, the Primatech logo is shown pretty clearly above, but there's no symbol in it... unless you invent one the way that primatechpaper.com did. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:11, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
- There IS a symbol there, in the second pic, its sideways above the P. Dean Harper 23:45, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
I think I've got it
The obvious and recurring ones ( the sword hilt, tattoo, jewelery, etc) are integral to the show. The others ( the knives, diamonds, blood stain, Primatech logo, etc) are jokes by the lighting, costume, set, etc designers, like those of the Hidden Mickeys.
Kaito and Angela photo
The ripped photo of Kaito and Angela had a symbol in red over each of their faces. That much is clear. But I also think the picture was torn along a curve that looks like the symbol. Perhaps an upload of the two parts when they hold them together will verify or falsify that.--E rowe 18:26, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
- Check out this old image...It looks like a curve, but not the symbol. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:09, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Water "Mark" on Deveaux Apt Roof Ledge by Crime Scene
Can anyone imagine that the HEROES Helix Symbol (slight plug...) is seen in the water "mark" a little to the right of Matt Parkman on the ledge, probably around where Kaito and the hooded guy left the building to test the effects of gravity (here is a screenshot or thumbnail to the right)?
If you tilt your head a little to the left and imagine the Symbol with the one roughly horizontal line going to the right and the two other horizontals at the bottom left, then it could be one of the "stealthy" hidden Symbols. What do you think? 'ROESian
- I see what you're referring to, but it's not well-formed whereas all of the other instances of The Symbol are well-formed. However, I do see Gumby in the light area on the edge right to the left of the water stain. (Admin 21:19, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
The Season 2 Principal Villain's Power
- It is possible that the symbol is the footprint of the yet-unrevealed villain's power. Think an evil version of "Bink" from the Xanth novels - he has the ability to bend the destiny and perhaps even actions/minds of those with powers subtly and to small degrees such that it benefits him. This would explain many of the strange coincidences in the series that are otherwise contrived and why the symbol miraculously appears on peter's arm after he receives his tattoo and other nearly inexplicable places. How about it appearing on Jessica and not Niki?
Under this interpretation, there are no "joke" insertions of it. The symbol's presence is either someone intentionally putting it there because they've been inundated with it, or the mark of the villain's influence- pretty much always in association with those who have powers or are very very close to those who do.
- I also think that this Symbol, in S2 especially, is the sign of this "nightmare man". Just because it was seen in Molly's eyes, straight after she'd has a vision of the bad guy.. Or maybe it's just supposed to represent evil, or bad events happening; Peter's tattoo changed to the Symbol right after he'd almost killed the henchman (and he said he would have killed him if not for Caitlin), and Niki always gets it on her back when she's evil Jessica. Just a thought. -- Lost Soul talk contribs 05:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
Tattoo...
I'm not sure. I never gave it a second thought with Niki and Jessica, but Peter's mark made me think... I'm not sure it's a tattoo on either of them. I don't have something better to call it, but I don't think someone took ink to their arm or back to put in the mark. Something is up. Hopefully they'll explain it more.--Riddler 11:15, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Symbol in Out of Time
OK, I could have sworn I saw the symbol written in chalk on a beam in Future New York. Did anyone else see it, or is it a Gumby? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 17:18, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Something that I do not get...
Tim Kring and Greg Beeman both state in the TV Guide interview that Niki just has a Split personality, and that her only ability is enhanced strength and has nothing to do with Jessica. But this would not explain the change in appearance. anyone else agree? Random guy 16:11, 11 November 2007 (EST)
- Heroes is a science fiction show. Keyword = fiction. The writers like to throw in little things here and there to make the story more interesting, like a mystical symbol (which has been recurring) appearing on someone's skin. Hey, look at Peter. The family crest tattoo that Caitlin gave him transformed into the symbol. It's science fiction.--Ice Vision 21:04, 11 November 2007 (EST)
- Wow, how snide can you be? Random guy 22:23, 11 November 2007 (EST)
- I actually didn't mean it like that. I apologize if it came out wrong, but I think the tattoo is just part of the science fiction theme of the show.--Ice Vision 11:30, 12 November 2007 (EST)
- Wow, how snide can you be? Random guy 22:23, 11 November 2007 (EST)
Possible appearance in Four Months Ago...
I believe I saw the Symbol form in the sink from the pills that Niki poured down the drain. Could someone confirm this? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:04, 12 November 2007 (EST)
- The pills were red and white, not green... (kidding. I don't know)--Riddler 23:06, 12 November 2007 (EST)
Helix or Symbol
- In recent interviews and commentaries, are they still referring to this as "the symbol" or have they started exclusively calling it the helix? (Admin 17:02, 1 December 2007 (EST))
- I believe I've heard both, but I don't have any references handy and I can't cite anything specific. I may just be mentally substituting "The Symbol" every time I hear "Helix" which I find less desirable. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2007 (EST)
Possible spotting of the helix?
I know this might sound a bit over seen, but im pretty sure the spots on clair's nose in the beach scene with west create the helix. heres a pic Click here for picture--Ofer1992 15:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- Yeah, I think see it! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- Now that's just grotesque. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:13, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- I know this is going to sound rude, but I think that's hilarious. The symbol appearing on Claire's freckles...--Ice Vision 23:05, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- Isn't that why Hayden Panettiere hired? I believe there's a policy that all cast members must have some part of their body that resembles the Symbol. You should see Masi Oka's "helix"! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:06, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- Hey, Ofer1992. Just wanted to let you know that the jokes above are definitely meant to be playful and not mocking. :) We've gone though a lot of potential Symbol occurrences in the past and the Gumby reference is a long-running joke. :) I've seen someone else mention that they thought they saw The Symbol in her freckles, however what we've found in the past is that the true Symbol occurrences are actually very well defined and don't require much imagination or focusing to make out. That being said I don't believe this is an instance of The Symbol, but thanks for pointing it out! :) (Admin 23:25, 2 December 2007 (EST))
- Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm making fun of you personally, which I'm not. I just enjoy taking any opportunity I can to make a Gumby image...and I'm glad there are fans out there keeping their eyes peeled for the details. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2007 (EST)
- Same here, don't take it personally, Ofer1992. I myself have used my imagination to spot the Symbol in many places. I find these things amusing. I even amuse myself sometimes.--Ice Vision 00:02, 3 December 2007 (EST)
- Hehe, its okay, it just popped out on me when i was watching the episode again so i thought i might share it :).--Ofer1992 11:22, 3 December 2007 (EST)
- Same here, don't take it personally, Ofer1992. I myself have used my imagination to spot the Symbol in many places. I find these things amusing. I even amuse myself sometimes.--Ice Vision 00:02, 3 December 2007 (EST)
- Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm making fun of you personally, which I'm not. I just enjoy taking any opportunity I can to make a Gumby image...and I'm glad there are fans out there keeping their eyes peeled for the details. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2007 (EST)
The symbol...apparently
i was on the images section for The Fix and saw two users had put a picture apparently with the symbol. so i was wondering if you agree it should be put here or just disregarded:
tbh i can see where they are coming from but it just looks like car pipes :D
- Yeah, I don't think it's anything other than just a curvy shape. See here (and here) for an older discussion on the issue. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2007 (EST)
...Maybe?
I'd need to see a high-res picture to be sure, but it looks like this new prophetic painting of the earth being split in two as seen in The Second Coming and The Butterfly Effect might have the symbol in it. The main crack is oddly curved and some of the other, more minor cracks seem to form rungs. Does anyone else see this? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:00, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- It did. --Riddler 22:02, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
La cité des enfants perdus
This is a cool image, but it's just a scar, not the symbol, and certainly not a reference to Heroes. Good try! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
- Aw... it's the symbol, never implied it was a reference to Heroes, I just put it as a trivia because it's the same symbol appearing before the series Heroes even existed. It IS interesting, don't you think? --Heffeque 21:06, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
- For those who missed my edit:
- * In the movie La cité des enfants perdus (The city of of Lost Children, 1995), the symbol appears in the side of the face of one of the clones. Image here: Image. Time of appearance in the movie: 0:51:18. --Heffeque 21:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
- It's definitely interesting, but it's not the symbol. It's missing two rungs, doesn't look like a complete S shape, and was filmed way before Heroes began. It's cool, but I don't think it's right for this page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
- The two rungs are there (right beside the eye), but I guess you're right in the way that it has nothing to do with Heroes :-/ I guess it'll have to stay here in the discussion board as a curiosity :-/ Cheers! --Heffeque 21:32, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
- Yeah, that's the way it goes sometimes...Actually, try digging through some of the archives for this talk page, and you'll see tons of similar of examples of curvy shapes that just aren't the symbol. You might even find a Gumby or two! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
- The two rungs are there (right beside the eye), but I guess you're right in the way that it has nothing to do with Heroes :-/ I guess it'll have to stay here in the discussion board as a curiosity :-/ Cheers! --Heffeque 21:32, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
Blood Stain
I am sure this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find the discussion anywhere. I believe I saw a slightly Symbol resembling curve shape on Sylar's bloodied-up shirt during the last two Heroes episodes in Villians. I don't have proper technology to pause or screen cap what I saw, and I believe there weren't any rungs. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I don't want to start seeing things that aren't there. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut
- I saw Gumby, but that's about it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:33, 21 December 2008 (EST)
- No no later. Try when he was in the elevator. It is smaller. That blood stain is only vaguely even kind of curved. There are other, more symbol-like blood stains. And I must agree; I only see Gumby in that pic.--(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut
- Ah, well there are no screencaps from the elevator and I'm too lazy to go look at the episode myself. :P So if anyone else wants to take that on they're more than welcome to. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
- I don't see nuthin'. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:35, 21 December 2008 (EST)
- Yeah that was the scene I was talking about. No symbol, just Gumby. I figured, I DID watch that episode seven minutes before midnight. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut
- I don't see nuthin'. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:35, 21 December 2008 (EST)
- Ah, well there are no screencaps from the elevator and I'm too lazy to go look at the episode myself. :P So if anyone else wants to take that on they're more than welcome to. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
- No no later. Try when he was in the elevator. It is smaller. That blood stain is only vaguely even kind of curved. There are other, more symbol-like blood stains. And I must agree; I only see Gumby in that pic.--(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut
in every episode?
seems like the newest season we haven't seen it.. unless it's super hidden. --Frantik (Talk) 20:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)
- Im not trying to be rude, but you shouldn't expect the production staff to include it. It's not like the numbers in lost, the symbol it doesn't have a great deal relevance to the plot (atm) and I don't think that it will appear too often (if at all) to be honest. --Lolwut 15:12, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- I think he's talking about the trivia note that says it's been in every episode to date. I believe that was true in the first season, but not any more. Unless it IS in fact super hidden. Can anyone verify that it's been in every episode?--Riddler 12:42, 3 March 2009 (EST)
Volume Four
We didn't see it at all in volume four, did we? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 23:11, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
- Once at Big Jim's. See Image:SymbolSylarLuke.jpg (graffiti on the wall) and Image:Symbol Sylar Luke 2.jpg (on a tipped over trash can). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
Sprint phone shows and webisodes
I didn' see anything for the mobile epesodes, has anyone checked them yet? Or is Evolutions both a interactive plot and a mobile series? P.S. has anyone seen it in nowhere man yet?--Hawkeye 09:58, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
Another Gumby?
I was rewatching Homecoming and saw this. 
Is it a gumby or not? --mc_hammark 13:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
Claires scar
Doesnt this scar look like the helix?
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- I see where you're coming from but I don't think so. If it was more distinct then maybe. --mc_hammark 10:36, 12 December 2009 (EST)
Hachiro's study window
As a side note, in Hachiro's study, The Symbol is only partially visible on the window if you glance between Miko's legs in Brave New World when she enters the study. However, it is definitely not there earlier in time (June 13th, Part Two). The main reason I know about it is from three promotional images that show The Symbol in the window with Miko in the study.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2015 (EST)