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Okay so i just did my best to show HOW someone could possibly get the symbol out of this one---- and this was my best shot --- this is rediculous --- who in the right mind would see this -- but then again --- i see the symbol places as well --- the onlly thing that would lead me to believe that this is the symbol -- is the fact that they had to set it up like that in that crazy mess. Best I can do.jpg

  • Heh, good job taking a "stab" at that one. Oh, oh ... Anyway, good try. However, your alternately using positive and negative space to creat the symbol. Also, the curvy part seems ... invented out of nothing. It's cute (I especially like the pink), but I think it's a bit of a stretch. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
    • yeah but the stones and shards of glass also used positive and negative space interchangeably --- but yeah --- i thought it was crazy Guy 12:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Actually, the stones didn't use any negative space to create the Symbol--the empty space was used like a dot-to-dot. The knives don't create any curvy spine, you have to either create one in your mind or follow a very angular negative space. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:40, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
Simone and isaac form a helix.JPG
Simone and isaac form a pokey.JPG
  • Haha, definitely a nice attempt. I, on the other hand, have just spent the past two hours watching the original pilot (the longer one pre-released for some viewers, I have it saved to my iTunes) trying to see if the symbol might actually have shown up in Genesis. My friends and I, possibly due to the effects of staying up past 1am, thought one COULD say you see the symbol when Isaac is on the floor after his overdose saying we have to stop it. His leg is curved to one side, Simone above him curved to make an S, and his arms are folded over to the one side as he points ... huh? Huh?! Come on ... :) — Vangogh414 (talk) 02:15, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Is this what you're talking about? Because I see Pokey. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Aw, Pokey! :). But, yeah, that was the scene I was talking about ... although now that there's an actual screenshot, our whole theory got shot to ... well, you know. — Vangogh414 (talk) 14:07, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Geometry book

Did Claire's geometry book really appear in One Giant Leap? Without going back and looking, I'm pretty sure it was in Don't Look Back. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I just checked and sure enough that exact shot is from One Giant Leap. I also went back and checked Don't Look Back as well and I don't see it in there. (Admin 11:59, 14 April 2007 (EDT))

The first time

When was the first time you noticed the symbol? For me, it was when I noticed it in the algorithm. Heroe!(talk) 00:30, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Me too! But then I started noticing it on Chandra's book and the Haitian's necklace and Hiro's sword.-User:Citizen
  • I first spotted it on the grey hound sign, but I didn't nottice it again untill Hiro pointed it out on his sword. Back then I wasn't as into the show, yeah sooo its not that my powers aren't working hehe, they're perfectly fine! sereiously!!!...I'm a disgrace to my name...--Hawkeye 10:50, 13 May 2009 (EDT)



  • Anybody see it here? I see what may be a pile of diamonds, or even the first letter of my last name, as a stretch. But no rungs, no symbol. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:16, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I don't see anything but diamond neither. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        13:21, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Doesn't look like it to me, either. (Admin 13:23, 11 May 2007 (EDT))
    • (So it was either and not neither. I wasn't sure.) -- FrenchFlo (talk)        13:25, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Either is used with a negative verb and neither is used with an affirmative verb. "I don't speak French. I don't either. Neither do I." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I can kinda pick out the S-curve, but I'm not getting any side bars. --Ted C 14:01, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, that's a stretch. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) Random Page! 14:07, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I can force myself to see the top two rungs, but there's nothing on the bottom. Plus, it's a continuous shot in Unexpected: Matt pours the diamonds out of the bag and they land in that shape--no cut. They'd have had to digitally edit it to get that shot to form the Symbol; if they had done so, it would have been a heck of a lot clearer (they're not actually very subtle with most of these appearances).--Hardvice (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT)


So does the symbol means Godsend for real or ... ? Anyway, Hiro says godsend when Ando points him out the symbol. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        15:33, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Possible Explanations

I took Ando's explanation and put it under the heading "Possible Explanations", along with Guillame's story about the serpent and the crane. I'm not sure "Possible Explanations" is the best heading title because it sounds like the section is speculative, which it's not. However, I can't think of a better alternative. "References to the Symbol" doesn't really work since it's too broad, and "Characters Talking about the Symbol" is too clunky, obviously. :) Any suggestions? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:18, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Exhaustive List?

I notice that the symbol image gallery includes the sword hilt twice. But all of the other places it is found are only included once. Is there a reason for including the sword twice? I assume that the gallery is not intended to be so exhaustive as to include repeat appearances--that would be impractical IMHO. But it might be good to have one image for each place the image appears with a caption saying from where that particular image was taken along with a list of other episodes and GNs where the same version of the image appears. I notice that the image on Guillaume's necklace appears at the end of It Takes a Village, Part 3, in addition to the listed appearance from Part 1. It might be good to list that without adding a separate image. Naturally, there are other places, like Jessica's shoulder where the appearances would comprise a significant list of episodes and GNs.--E rowe 11:27, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

  • I count three times that a sword hilt is shown, none of which I personally mind in the gallery. This one is the first one, when Future Hiro carries the sword on the subway. This one is a very nice shot, but it's actually a replica of the actual sword. This one is the one the Kensei uses in 1671--it's probably the same sword, but we don't have confirmation of that. Even if they were all the same sword, they're all shown in different times and circumstances (in the present at a museum, from 5 years into the future, and from 300+ years ago), so I think it's fine. The same goes for the banners that are shown one on top of the other: one banner is from 1671, and the other is from the present in Jittetu Arms. They're possibly the same banner, but not only do we not have confirmation of that, but they're shown in such different circumstances that I'd say it's allowable. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
    • So should all symbol locations that appear multiple times in different circumstances be in the image gallery? That's really the point of my initial question. If they should, then there are numerous images that should be added I think.--E rowe 13:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
      • I don't think it's necessary in every circumstance. Jessica's tattoo is shown twice I think--once on her back, and once in a painting. I'd say the one where she's painting over it is fine, too. Any more would be superfluous. Same with the Haitian's necklace--it's shown on him, and the one on his father might be the same one. If they show it being, I don't know, melted down, then that might be another instance to show it. I think one main appearance, and then any really unique appearances would be enough. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:05, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Running Joke?

Just to throw it out there, but perhaps there is no meaning to the helix other than a running joke by the set dressers? It would be similar to finding "Hidden Mickeys" at Disney Parks. Disney42 02:03, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

  • I absolutely agree. In episode 10 if you look very closely at Claire's nose the blood streaked from her eye to the tip of her nose seems to make the symbol. In that same episode Ando is looking at the pictures for Charlie's memorial just before Hiro comes back. A bolt of lightening causes what appears to be the symbol on one of the pictures.I keep seeing it everywhere in the show. Like the pool by one of Sylar's victims, and in the sand where Nikki buries the thugs, to name two more places.

Primatech Symbol

Okay, according to message boards and Wikipedia, the Symbol appeared on the Primatech Paper lgo in Six Months Ago. Any screencaps of this? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:43, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Well, the Primatech logo is shown pretty clearly above, but there's no symbol in it... unless you invent one the way that did. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:11, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
There IS a symbol there, in the second pic, its sideways above the P. Dean Harper 23:45, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Yeah, that's what they claimed. But notice how it's not actually the Symbol. The rungs on the Symbol come off of the inside of the curves of the S. The one in the Primatech logo has rungs coming off the outside of the curves of the S. They Failed It.--Hardvice (talk) 00:13, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Their skill level was not enough? Max G. (T)

I think I've got it

The obvious and recurring ones ( the sword hilt, tattoo, jewelery, etc) are integral to the show. The others ( the knives, diamonds, blood stain, Primatech logo, etc) are jokes by the lighting, costume, set, etc designers, like those of the Hidden Mickeys.

Kaito and Angela photo

The ripped photo of Kaito and Angela had a symbol in red over each of their faces. That much is clear. But I also think the picture was torn along a curve that looks like the symbol. Perhaps an upload of the two parts when they hold them together will verify or falsify that.--E rowe 18:26, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Water "Mark" on Deveaux Apt Roof Ledge by Crime Scene

^ Hidden HEROES Symbol?

Can anyone imagine that the HEROES Helix Symbol (slight plug...) is seen in the water "mark" a little to the right of Matt Parkman on the ledge, probably around where Kaito and the hooded guy left the building to test the effects of gravity (here is a screenshot or thumbnail to the right)?

If you tilt your head a little to the left and imagine the Symbol with the one roughly horizontal line going to the right and the two other horizontals at the bottom left, then it could be one of the "stealthy" hidden Symbols. What do you think? 'ROESian

  • I see what you're referring to, but it's not well-formed whereas all of the other instances of The Symbol are well-formed. However, I do see Gumby in the light area on the edge right to the left of the water stain. (Admin 21:19, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
The Symbol....or Gumby?

The Season 2 Principal Villain's Power

  • It is possible that the symbol is the footprint of the yet-unrevealed villain's power. Think an evil version of "Bink" from the Xanth novels - he has the ability to bend the destiny and perhaps even actions/minds of those with powers subtly and to small degrees such that it benefits him. This would explain many of the strange coincidences in the series that are otherwise contrived and why the symbol miraculously appears on peter's arm after he receives his tattoo and other nearly inexplicable places. How about it appearing on Jessica and not Niki?

Under this interpretation, there are no "joke" insertions of it. The symbol's presence is either someone intentionally putting it there because they've been inundated with it, or the mark of the villain's influence- pretty much always in association with those who have powers or are very very close to those who do.

  • I also think that this Symbol, in S2 especially, is the sign of this "nightmare man". Just because it was seen in Molly's eyes, straight after she'd has a vision of the bad guy.. Or maybe it's just supposed to represent evil, or bad events happening; Peter's tattoo changed to the Symbol right after he'd almost killed the henchman (and he said he would have killed him if not for Caitlin), and Niki always gets it on her back when she's evil Jessica. Just a thought. --  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  05:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT)


I'm not sure. I never gave it a second thought with Niki and Jessica, but Peter's mark made me think... I'm not sure it's a tattoo on either of them. I don't have something better to call it, but I don't think someone took ink to their arm or back to put in the mark. Something is up. Hopefully they'll explain it more.--Riddler 11:15, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

Symbol in Out of Time

OK, I could have sworn I saw the symbol written in chalk on a beam in Future New York. Did anyone else see it, or is it a Gumby? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 17:18, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Something that I do not get...

Tim Kring and Greg Beeman both state in the TV Guide interview that Niki just has a Split personality, and that her only ability is enhanced strength and has nothing to do with Jessica. But this would not explain the change in appearance. anyone else agree? Random guy 16:11, 11 November 2007 (EST)

  • Heroes is a science fiction show. Keyword = fiction. The writers like to throw in little things here and there to make the story more interesting, like a mystical symbol (which has been recurring) appearing on someone's skin. Hey, look at Peter. The family crest tattoo that Caitlin gave him transformed into the symbol. It's science fiction.--Ice Vision 21:04, 11 November 2007 (EST)
    • Wow, how snide can you be? Random guy 22:23, 11 November 2007 (EST)
      • I actually didn't mean it like that. I apologize if it came out wrong, but I think the tattoo is just part of the science fiction theme of the show.--Ice Vision 11:30, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Possible appearance in Four Months Ago...

I believe I saw the Symbol form in the sink from the pills that Niki poured down the drain. Could someone confirm this? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:04, 12 November 2007 (EST)

  • The pills were red and white, not green... (kidding. I don't know)--Riddler 23:06, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Helix or Symbol

  • In recent interviews and commentaries, are they still referring to this as "the symbol" or have they started exclusively calling it the helix? (Admin 17:02, 1 December 2007 (EST))
    • I believe I've heard both, but I don't have any references handy and I can't cite anything specific. I may just be mentally substituting "The Symbol" every time I hear "Helix" which I find less desirable. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Possible spotting of the helix?

Gumby freckles.jpg

I know this might sound a bit over seen, but im pretty sure the spots on clair's nose in the beach scene with west create the helix. heres a pic Click here for picture--Ofer1992 15:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, I think see it! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 2 December 2007 (EST)
  • Now that's just grotesque. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:13, 2 December 2007 (EST)
  • I know this is going to sound rude, but I think that's hilarious. The symbol appearing on Claire's freckles...--Ice Vision 23:05, 2 December 2007 (EST)
    • Isn't that why Hayden Panettiere hired? I believe there's a policy that all cast members must have some part of their body that resembles the Symbol. You should see Masi Oka's "helix"! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:06, 2 December 2007 (EST)
  • Hey, Ofer1992. Just wanted to let you know that the jokes above are definitely meant to be playful and not mocking. :) We've gone though a lot of potential Symbol occurrences in the past and the Gumby reference is a long-running joke. :) I've seen someone else mention that they thought they saw The Symbol in her freckles, however what we've found in the past is that the true Symbol occurrences are actually very well defined and don't require much imagination or focusing to make out. That being said I don't believe this is an instance of The Symbol, but thanks for pointing it out! :) (Admin 23:25, 2 December 2007 (EST))
    • Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm making fun of you personally, which I'm not. I just enjoy taking any opportunity I can to make a Gumby image...and I'm glad there are fans out there keeping their eyes peeled for the details. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2007 (EST)
      • Same here, don't take it personally, Ofer1992. I myself have used my imagination to spot the Symbol in many places. I find these things amusing. I even amuse myself sometimes.--Ice Vision 00:02, 3 December 2007 (EST)
        • Hehe, its okay, it just popped out on me when i was watching the episode again so i thought i might share it :).--Ofer1992 11:22, 3 December 2007 (EST)

The symbol...apparently

i was on the images section for The Fix and saw two users had put a picture apparently with the symbol. so i was wondering if you agree it should be put here or just disregarded:


tbh i can see where they are coming from but it just looks like car pipes :D

  • Yeah, I don't think it's anything other than just a curvy shape. See here (and here) for an older discussion on the issue. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2007 (EST)


I'd need to see a high-res picture to be sure, but it looks like this new prophetic painting of the earth being split in two as seen in The Second Coming and The Butterfly Effect might have the symbol in it. The main crack is oddly curved and some of the other, more minor cracks seem to form rungs. Does anyone else see this? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:00, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

  • It did. --Riddler 22:02, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

La cité des enfants perdus

This is a cool image, but it's just a scar, not the symbol, and certainly not a reference to Heroes. Good try! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Aw... it's the symbol, never implied it was a reference to Heroes, I just put it as a trivia because it's the same symbol appearing before the series Heroes even existed. It IS interesting, don't you think? --Heffeque 21:06, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
For those who missed my edit:
* In the movie La cité des enfants perdus (The city of of Lost Children, 1995), the symbol appears in the side of the face of one of the clones. Image here: Image. Time of appearance in the movie: 0:51:18. --Heffeque 21:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It's definitely interesting, but it's not the symbol. It's missing two rungs, doesn't look like a complete S shape, and was filmed way before Heroes began. It's cool, but I don't think it's right for this page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The two rungs are there (right beside the eye), but I guess you're right in the way that it has nothing to do with Heroes :-/ I guess it'll have to stay here in the discussion board as a curiosity :-/ Cheers! --Heffeque 21:32, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yeah, that's the way it goes sometimes...Actually, try digging through some of the archives for this talk page, and you'll see tons of similar of examples of curvy shapes that just aren't the symbol. You might even find a Gumby or two! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Blood Stain

Sylar pours lighter fluid on Elle's body.jpg
Gumby, I mean Sylar, on the elevator.jpg

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find the discussion anywhere. I believe I saw a slightly Symbol resembling curve shape on Sylar's bloodied-up shirt during the last two Heroes episodes in Villians. I don't have proper technology to pause or screen cap what I saw, and I believe there weren't any rungs. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I don't want to start seeing things that aren't there. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut

I saw Gumby, but that's about it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:33, 21 December 2008 (EST)
No no later. Try when he was in the elevator. It is smaller. That blood stain is only vaguely even kind of curved. There are other, more symbol-like blood stains. And I must agree; I only see Gumby in that pic.--(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut
Ah, well there are no screencaps from the elevator and I'm too lazy to go look at the episode myself. :P So if anyone else wants to take that on they're more than welcome to. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
I don't see nuthin'. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:35, 21 December 2008 (EST)
Yeah that was the scene I was talking about. No symbol, just Gumby. I figured, I DID watch that episode seven minutes before midnight. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut

in every episode?

seems like the newest season we haven't seen it.. unless it's super hidden. --Frantik (Talk) 20:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)

  • Im not trying to be rude, but you shouldn't expect the production staff to include it. It's not like the numbers in lost, the symbol it doesn't have a great deal relevance to the plot (atm) and I don't think that it will appear too often (if at all) to be honest. --Lolwut 15:12, 24 February 2009 (EST)
    • I think he's talking about the trivia note that says it's been in every episode to date. I believe that was true in the first season, but not any more. Unless it IS in fact super hidden. Can anyone verify that it's been in every episode?--Riddler 12:42, 3 March 2009 (EST)

Volume Four

We didn't see it at all in volume four, did we? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 23:11, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Sprint phone shows and webisodes

I didn' see anything for the mobile epesodes, has anyone checked them yet? Or is Evolutions both a interactive plot and a mobile series? P.S. has anyone seen it in nowhere man yet?--Hawkeye 09:58, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

Another Gumby?

I was rewatching Homecoming and saw this. Gumbysymbol.jpg Is it a gumby or not? --mc_hammark 13:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

  • A bit far-fetched, but possible. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Claires scar

Doesnt this scar look like the helix?

  • I see where you're coming from but I don't think so. If it was more distinct then maybe. --mc_hammark 10:36, 12 December 2009 (EST)

Hachiro's study window

As a side note, in Hachiro's study, The Symbol is only partially visible on the window if you glance between Miko's legs in Brave New World when she enters the study. However, it is definitely not there earlier in time (June 13th, Part Two). The main reason I know about it is from three promotional images that show The Symbol in the window with Miko in the study.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2015 (EST)