Episode talk:The Line

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Episode article: _X_ Episode screencap n/a Monologue _X_ Summary _X_ Story Development _X_ Synopsis _X_ Quotes Update/add other articles: _X_ Episode redirect: The Line ___ Check that links from previous episode work _X_ Update Current episode checklist _X_ Update Current events _X_ Update Portal:Episodes _X_ Update Template:Season2 _X_ Update Template:Ep _X_ Update Season Two _X_ Update Story arcs ___ New interviews and videos _X_ Add Heroes Interactive:The Line _X_ ... and its redirect, Heroes Interactive (The Line) ___ Episode commentaries _X_ Update director, writer, etc. pages _X_ Add Category:Images from The Line _X_ Update template:imagenav _X_ Update template:image-screenshot _X_ Update ratings Update Main Page: _X_ template:aotw and archive _X_ Next on Heroes _X_ Template:Index ___ Update Soundtrack _X_ Archive Spoiler:The Line (change "aired=")

Update Main Character pages ___ Peter n/a Nathan ___ Claire n/a Matt n/a Jessica n/a Micah ___ Mr. Bennet ___ Sylar ___ Ando ___ Maya ___ Kensei n/a Elle ___ Mohinder ___ Niki ___ Monica ___ Hiro Update character-related pages ___ Groups ___ Appearances ___ Connections

Update other character pages as needed ___ Update Portal:Minor Characters as appropriate ___ West ___ Debbie ___ Alejandro ___ Caitlin ___ Yaeko ___ Molly ___ The Haitian ___ Bob ___ May _X_ Tatsuya Atsumi ___ Swordsmith Add new character pages as needed: ___ Costa Verde cops ___ Update Portal:Guest Cast as appropriate ___ (list actors who appear here) Add new actor pages as needed: ___ (list needed actors here) "Despoil" new characters and actors who already have articles: Be sure to add appropriate non-spoiler categories! ___ (list characters and actors that need to be "despoiled") _X_ despoil spoiler images, update source, etc. Add references to appropriate recurring themes: _X_ Revenge ___ Family _X_ Faith and religion - Maya _X_ Secrets and deception - Kensei, Claire and West, Bennet ___ Death _X_ Product placement - video iPod _X_ One punch knockout - Kensei on guard and Hiro Add examples of Powers used: Note: if an "examples" page exists, that's where examples should be added. ___ Adoptive muscle memory ___ Examples of flight ___ Examples of rapid cell regeneration ___ Examples of space-time manipulation ___ Examples of mental manipulation ___ Examples of empathic mimicry ___ Maya's ability ___ Alejandro's ability - presumed since Sylar didn't die

Events/Items/Things/etc. ___ Shanti virus ___ Dark future _X_ Noah's cell phone _X_ The symbol _X_ Hiro's scrolls _X_ Nissan Rogue _X_ Rift - the kiss that fractured time? ___ Update Portals as needed World Locations _X_ Montreal, Canada ___ Odessa, Ukraine ___ Costa Verde n/a Cork, Ireland ___ Japan ___ Hartsdale, NY ___ outside Parcela Delgado, Mexico ___ New Orleans, LA ___ New York, NY ___ Update Portal:World Locations Places ___ (list places to update here) ___ Warehouse (Odessa) ___ Kiso Mountain ___ Whitebeard's camp ___ The Company's hospital ___ The Dawsons' home ___ Museum of Cultural History ___ Ivan's home ___ Costa Verde High School _X_ Times Square ___ Wandering Rocks ___ Update Portal:Places Timeline ___ Update timeline Update templates as needed ___ Template: Characternav ___ Template: Actornav ___ Template: Crewnav ___ Template: Research ___ Template: Linderman _X_ Template: HRG

Why is this up?

This airs in a week, why is this up already?--Bob (talk) 16:39, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

• The redlink was there, and I had a comment to add. I have since moved the comment to spoiler section, but I don't see any reason not to have this already made so we can get an early jump on things and, if people want to, perhaps spend more time on the Bionic Wiki after they finish here.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Though it doesn't hurt to have this page here, I think we should try to avoid setting up the talk pages too much before the episode airs (the day of is generally a good time). Especially now that we have the navbar at the top of each talk page, I would hate for somebody to click through, get to the last talk page, and begin working on it instead of the current one. There's nothing wrong with having a red link, but if it's really bothersome, it can be commented out. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:07, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Commenting out checklist to avoid confusion.--Bob (talk) 17:30, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Changed the nextprevioustemplate to not display those redlinks in the future.--Bob (talk) 02:18, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I made it so if "Next" is entered, it displays a link to add the next checklist but doesn't create a red link. Hope you don't mind.--Hardvice (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
          • That's a very smart solution. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Synopsis

• My internet is lagging big time, so I won't be able to do the synopsis. Any takers? Hopefully it'll speed up later tonight so I can help.--Bob (talk) 18:29, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Mind if I take this one on? You guys can always revamp it.--Riddler 20:43, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
• Speaking of divvying up responsibilities, I'll go ahead and do the appearances. Anybody else who wants to double check, that's fine with me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

I missed pretty much every Hiro section.

My brother kept changing the goddamned channel to watch "I Love New York", the most god-awful show ever. =[--Riddler 22:07, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

• Your brother is evil to highest degree. SPOILER ALERT!!!!! Anyhow, Hiro's storyline had him trying to convince Yaeko where her father would be found but she doesn't seem to trust him, asking him why he's staying with them. Kensei shows up talking in his usual heroic bluster and says the same thing Hiro did, but Hiro covers it up by saying Yaeko suggested it, bringing the two closer together. Kensei leads them into the camp and lets a guard stab him, promptly knocking him out after shocking the guard. They find Yaeko's father (New character!) who tells them White Beard's got thousands of muskets and is planning to overthrow the Emperor (the musket plot reminds me of Nobunaga Oda). Kensei and Hiro vow to destroy the guns and free the swordsmith. Unfortunately dawn has broken and a musketeer fires a shot at Hiro and Yaeko, mainly at the latter, while they're running. Hiro teleports them way away from battle. Hiro denies his powers but Yaeko puts it together and even realizes Hiro was pretending to be Kensei at the battle of Seven Swords. Yaeko asks Hiro if he loves her and he admits it. Right before they kiss Hiro stops time, worried about ruining time, but gives in and they kiss. The scrolls end there but Kensei witnessed the kiss. Later on Hiro finds Kensei who argues with him about the kiss. Hiro admits he accidentally fell in love with Yaeko but agrees to stand aside. Kensei says he'll destroy the muskets but then instead knocks Hiro out, a band of White Beard's men and most likely White Beard himself (though he wasn't wearing the trademark mask) appearing with Yaeko and the swordsmith captured. The group's leader, who is probably White Beard, promises Kensei whatever he wants. Hopefully with that we can get the Hiro plot written up somewhat decently. --PeterDawson 01:59, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Lead image.

I suggest Mohinder initially turning down Bob's plan on injecting Monica - They've reached "The Line" in what they can morally do. OR Sylar, Maya, and Alejandra passing "the line" (the border). =P--Riddler 22:38, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

• If there's a good shot of Mohinder and Bob I agree that'd be a good choice. (Admin 22:40, 29 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Bob and Mohinder are a good choice. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:19, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, I figured they would do the borderline and the morally-gray line, but I wasn't expecting the crime-scene line of where Rick died in the Irish pub, and I think that would be the best shot for the title. My second pick is the shot of the fence of the US-Mexico border. Bob and Mohinder is a give-away/spoiler to the main story, and it's not as obvious.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Not as spoilery only because we know Mohinder is working with Bob and the company as of a few episodes ago.--Riddler 23:27, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
        • On second thought, the border-line is probably the most important of the at-least four references, so my pick would be that one.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yeah, Mohinder and Bob aren't automaticaly associated with lines. The Rogue at the US border would probably be a better choice. Although I'm still thinking that there could be some better one out there yet. --Piemanmoo 01:23, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
          • How did Noah and the Haitian get the lead image? We didn't even mention them.--Riddler 18:29, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
• What about the line that Kensei crossed this episode, by turning away from Hiro and Good, and siding with Whitebeard and Evil? I think that line will have the biggest effect on the rest of the season than the others mentioned. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/30/2007 18:43 (EST)
  • HUGE spoiler.--Riddler 18:45, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • It's already happened. It can't be a spoiler. Even to the few folks who haven't seen the episode yet, just showing a picture of Hiro and Kensei isn't spoiling anything. Don't see the hugeness in that. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/30/2007 18:49 (EST)
      • If someone sees a movie, and comes back and tells everyone who hasn't seen it yet the ending, they're giving spoilers. Same applies to TV. Showing Kensei with Whitebeard (since in that scene Yaeko is bound) is very spoilery.--Riddler 18:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • When choosing the lead image for an article we always avoid anything too spoilery. Same with the summary bullets. Since this will be on the main page we don't want to risk immediately spoiling the episode for someone who comes to the site but hasn't seen the latest episode. It's just to play it safe. Also the lead image doesn't have to match the title. It mostly should just be a scene that is fairly well associated with a particular episode, it's just sometimes there's a scene that embodies the title very well and it becomes an interesting scene to use. (Admin 18:56, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
        • I quite like the lead image this week. It was a very memorable scene, doesn't give too much away, and I can easily associate Noah crossing "the line" of morality when he shoots Ivan point blank. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:32, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Credits

• Roberto Sanchez = Costa Verde officer who talks to Debbie first
• Irina Maleeva = Katarina, Ivan's wife
• Elya Baskin = Ivan
• Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa = swordsmith
• Beau Dremann = Ray, the officer who comes to CVHS second
• Shane Woodson = border patrolman, credited as "cowboy boots" -- I don't know which one he is.
• Rachielle Jacoby = cheerleading hopeful #1
• Ilene Perez = cheerleading hopeful #2
• Nicole Clifford = cheerleading recruit
  • I don't know which is which; are they the ones who try out with Claire, or the ones who get numbers written on their heads? In either case, this is about the only info on Rachielle Jacoby I could find, and I don't even know if it's the same person.
• Versatile Darryl Chan = Whitebeard's guard
• Kolya is Ivan's grandson; portrayer unknown
• Incidentally, the episode was dedicated to Tim Susco. He was a "key assistant location manager" for Heroes. He died 15 August 2007. IMDb. We should probably have an article about him. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Concerning the cheerleading girls, if any of the credited actors portray the girls who have the numbers Sharpied on their heads, we could probably identify them by the numbers given to them by Debbie. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Preview for next week

During the preview's I noticed that DL was still alive and talking to Niki.

Don't know if this is the right place for this but hopefully it will spark some discussion as to what happened. --Thehoodie 01:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

• He's scheduled to appear for Four Months Ago, so maybe it's a clip from then that they aired early.--Bob (talk) 02:00, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Unless you're talking about the Global TV promo that I haven't seen yet, DL was nowhere in the US version. D: --AvadaNella 02:25, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah it was the Global one. I would have thought they were the same but I guess not. --Thehoodie 08:37, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Canadian preview • U.S. preview -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yep, I watched it. It's definitely a Maury nightmare, from what I could see. Niki would be one to be haunted by her late husband. =P --AvadaNella 19:29, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

The new paintings

• Can anyone post screenshots of the new paintings? A few of us at IMDb are hunting for them. :D--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:30, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
• Ok, I found some screenshot links at 10th wonders, but they're not very clear:

1. http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290849ci3.jpg
2. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290844nn5.jpg
3. http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290843zu8.jpg
4. http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290842kw6.jpg
5. http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290841jc6.jpg
6. http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa290840my1.jpg

Hopefully, someone with Tivo can get us some better shots.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

• • Hey all; i got better screenshots of the paintings and i've added descriptions to each of them here; sorry for the hugeness of it all.

<<SPOILER ALERT>><<SPOILER ALERT>>

just making precautions 'cos i think there are some here;

1. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture2-1.png

(probably one of peter, who's that behind him? - notice later there's a radioactive / biowaste sign next to him)

2. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture1-3.png

(the vial of the modified Shanti Virus? - probably)

3. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture3-1.png

(this is what probably will happen between Nikki and Mohinder)

4. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture4-1.png

(hiro and kensei fight - for Yaeko's love? how very manga)

5. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture5.png

(wow; this guy looks like Mohinder, hair, stubble and all; sans broken nose. hmm who has he shot?)

6. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture6.png

(we know this one - but i think the shooter might be Mohinder, look at a better pic of this painting and look at the hair of the man)

• A quick brightness/gamma enhancement of same image: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4543/picture6enhanceddt1.jpg

(The person with Claire looks a lot like Nathan) Urlnotfound 13:00, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

• • Oh god, let's hope not. Paire was squicky enough. We don't need her making out with her dad.--Hardvice (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

7. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture8.png

(note that the left most painting is of Claire, when West dropped her on the stairs and to the right we see the radioactive/bio-waste sign)

--Ralphizzle (talk) 01:27, 31 October 2007 (EST)

• I thought when Noah saw all the paintings lined up he said, "that's not me." Did I mishear him? --Pinkkeith 10:28, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
  • He said "What's it mean?" -- Paronine 10:31, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • 1. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/ralphie_lim/Picture2-1.png

(probably one of peter, who's that behind him? - notice later there's a radioactive / biowaste sign next to him) It's Peter, according to the preview. http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4863/paintinglc6.png --Riddler 19:06, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Evacuation of the city

What does the scene near the episode where we see a deserted Time Square tells us? Immediately I thought it was depicting a future where a mutated strain of the Shanti virus is causing an epidemic. But then I told myself, "Wait a minute, evacuating a city is the absolute last thing you'd do when a deadly virus is on the loose." A city don't infect you, people do. To stop a epidemic from spreading, you'd quarantine a population. Putting millions of potential carriers on the road is stupid. --Borowki 18:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

• Actually, the full TV Guide spoiler for next week's episode did reveal (supposedly) the cause of the evacuation. I try to avoid spoilers when possible, but this might be revealed on one of the spoiler pages already. (Admin 18:54, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
  • I would like to see this. Could you refer me to it? --Thehoodie 08:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Spoilers spoil the fun. I would rather just speculate about it. The evacuation must have something to do with Maya's power. --Borowki 09:41, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Well my first thought was also the virus. Because didn't Mohinder say that if the virus was genetically modified, it could affect the whole population, and not just evolved humans? And what has Bob done? He's genetically modified the virus. So that's my take. So far.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)