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Episode Switcharoo

So there's been some changes, Altes has pointed out to me that Ink will air on the 28th instead of the 5th of October, therefore replacing Acceptance...so, do we get rid of this page? switch them? avoid this question until the episode airs? lol--Anthony Gooch 16:10, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

OMG they killed Kenny... I mean Nathan

Are they done? Can they let him rest in peace now that they have killed him so many times? Or are they going to bring him back and kill him again in the season finale? Give the guy a break, he has made some mistakes, but he hasn't deserved all this.--Ratclaws 22:22, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

• It was said in an interview that Nathan is indeed like Kenny lol AltesUTC CH
  • Part of me thinks that it only makes sense that they let Nathan rest in peace. The other part thinks: what was the point of bringing back Nathan for 20 minutes of airtime during this season? Maybe it's just my crazy theory that Angela saw Nathan as president (see also: Sylar[[1]]). I don't understand Angela being so adamant about having Nathan/Sylar around just to have him "die" this way --- I wonder what kinda dreams she was having... --Halfxwitted 03:56, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Isn't that painting supposed to show the explosion future? And I definitely don't think they'll kill him off right away. --Janrodrigo 09:23, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar's personality is still inside of matt, nathan is still nathan right now.
        • Nathan is dead, Sylar's body has no memory of himself until Matt releases Sylar's consciousness into it, resulting in Sylar returning. Now a memory-less body of Sylar has returned, and it looks as though Nathan may be gone for good.-- By Danko CH 14:55, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
• "Nathan" is gonna freak out when he looks in a mirror and sees Sylar! Angela will have some serious explaining to do. --Peter 20:43, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Dunno, given that preview he may have lost Nathan's memories as a result.--WarGrowlmon18 21:12, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

new actors and characters

Akihiro Kitamura (image)

Tadashi (image)

Jayson Blair (image)

Nathan Petrelli (image)

Sam Cohen (image)

Nathan Petrelli (image)

David Atkinson (image)

Millie's assassin (image)

Jamie Tisdale (image)

Kelly Houston (image)

-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Trying to understand the timeline

So Angela specifically said that she used the Haitian to cover up Kelly's death, right? I'm not sure that the Company would have the Haitian yet. If they were concerned about underage drinking, then this scene would have to take place before 1988, and the earliest known date of the Haitian working for the Company would be 1992. I'm so confused.--Gibbeynator 22:55, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

• I've only seen the episode once, and I don't remember it perfectly. Did they say that they were drinking underage? The only thing I remember was Angela telling Nathan he was drunk. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:51, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Easiest explaination for this: the event indeed happened pre-1988, Angela used the Haitian on Nathan for this memory 4 years later. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:52, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • While logic dictates that Angela had no reason to lie about using Haitian, I was very skeptical about the entire cover-up. I personally think Nathan may have somehow covered the death up himself - meaning his family was unaware of it. From what I remember (from only one viewing), Angela's facial expressions during certain parts of Nathan's confession was of slight dread/confusion. She had a certain "playing it by ear" demeanor; trying to give Nathan a quick answer that would make sense and prevent him from asking further questions. Besides, Angela is masterminded enough to take extra precautions to ensure that Nathan not re-acquire a memory like that if she was aware of it. --Halfxwitted 03:35, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • But why name-drop the Haitian. She could have easily said that she got Arthur, or Charles, or even Maury to do the mind wipe, that would have been a little more believable.--Gibbeynator 09:29, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Sac, I don't think that Millie wouldn't have noticed anything if Nathan knew this for four yentire ears, because of the remorse and his conscience for exemple. Even Peter knows Kenny as someone giving so much pain to Nathan, because she "went away". It only makes sense if Angela had Nathan's memory erased and the papers arranged, right away. By the way, did you notice "Nathan"'s remorse. Sylar wouldn't feel such a remorse or didn't have such a conscience to go and tell the truth to Millie, so that she didn't blame herself. When did Sylar became so sensitive? If it's the same Sylar we're talking about... --Janrodrigo 09:38, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
          • I just went through the episode's that part again. And there's no mention of underage drinking. Only Kelly says that her mom would kill her if she found out. --Janrodrigo 10:13, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
            • That really does suggest that they shouldn't be drinking in the first place.--Gibbeynator 11:40, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
              • I agree, but this doesn't mean that they're below 18. --Janrodrigo 11:48, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                • Or 21. I don't see any reason why Kelly couldn't have been killed in 1992...or after. It's completely plausible that Nathan was of age, but Kelly wasn't. But 1992 is only the first time that the Haitian wiped Sandra's mind. There's nothing to say that he wasn't working for the Company for a few years before 1992. In fact, when he wiped Sandra's mind in Company Man, he looked a bit older than when Thompson found him in It Takes a Village, Part 4. Ultimately, we don't know when the Haitian was brought to America, when Kelly died, or how old she and Nathan were when they were drinking. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:49, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                  • Thanks Ryan, it makes better sense now. --Janrodrigo 11:57, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
                    • The downfall of the group the Haitian encounters in his flashback series of graphic novels was in the late 80s, so he was well-established in America by 1992.--Citizen 18:52, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Episode Image

• Just a suggestion...Maybe the episode image should be when Hiro was telling Kimiko about his illness? It kind of fits with the episode title. HiroMystery 02:22, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • That sounds good to me. Something with Hiro and Tadashi would also be good. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I think the image should be Sylar coming out of the dirt! ~~IHH—Talk 17:51, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • That's a bit too spoilery for my tastes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
        • How is it a spoiler? Those who have not seen the episode shouldn't be on the page anyways? ~~IHH—Talk 18:01, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
          • The image is used on other Heroes Wiki sites in other languages, where the episode hasn't yet been shown. But more importantly, the image is used on the Main Page, which is viewed almost 10 times more than even our most popular page. People don't always come to Heroes Wiki having seen every episode. While the episode is still in the AOTW, we should have a good image that represents the episode, but is not too spoilery. That's always been our policy (see here, here, or here). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Weird?

• Isn't it funny how nowadays everyone is sitting in a restaurant a lot of times to have a chat? HiroMystery 02:26, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
• (Shrugs) People are busy. They don't have time to sit in the park and make plans anymore like they used to. --Halfxwitted 03:38, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
• That and a cut in budgets. --mc_hammark 07:51, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Photocopying his butt?

Hiro returns from the past for the 46th time just after Kimiko tells Ando that Hiro is giving her away. Hiro is exhausted and admits that every time he tries to save Tadashi, he just fails. Ando tells Hiro to accept the truth as Tadashi calls. Hiro immediately tells him he'll be right there and starts to go for the roof. Ando asks what he's going to tell Kimiko, and Hiro just goes to the roof. This time, he sits with Tadashi and explains that he's tried to save Tadashi repeatedly, but he keeps photocopying his butt. Hiro admits it's time to face the truth. He tells Tadashi that he must really hate his job to keep photocopying his butt 47 times, and he should find a different job. Hiro explains that life is a gift and he's dying. Finally he tells Tadashi not to keep secrets from those you love, particularly not family. Hiro gets up and tells Tadashi that he'll always have a friend, and offers his hand. Tadashi bows and thanks him.

I don't understand the whole paragraph. Especially the photocopying his butt part. NuparuMahnika 05:23, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

• It's not exactly Shakespeare, but it says exactly what happened in the episode. The author could try to make it clearer. Ruler 05:30, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Well, it's a wiki. I won't be offended if someone tries to rewrite it. :) That's what wikis are about, right? Unfortunately, since it's a timeloop/repetitive sequence thing, it's kind of awkward to write out no matter. I also wish I could have found a more... eloquent way of saying it than "photocopying his butt". But that's the term they use. --CourtesyofTVRage.com 13:18, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I think it basically sounded good. I edited a few words here and there. And I like the brashness of "butt". :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • You're absolutely right, CourtesyofTVRage.com. :) You did a lot of heavy lifting by writing all that down, now everyone has the opportunity to go through and try to polish it up in areas that may be rough. I know when I wrote synopses there was a lot to keep up with and it didn't always flow perfectly, but through the work of many others here any rough areas always got smoothed out. Thanks again for providing the synopsis, I know it's a lot of work! (Admin 13:26, 6 October 2009 (EDT))

Images

Will somebody please start uploading images? Josh KorolenkoUTChronicles

• Images of what, exactly, do you need? There's been a few powers images uploaded, that's all I know of. --Radicell 09:43, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Wonderful episode

This was a really wonderful episode. I liked it :) They start to bring back volume 1's spirit slowly... --Janrodrigo 10:09, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

• Yeah, I liked this episode... the stories really meshed together well.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Well i liked this episode as well because i'm a hardcore fan of heroes. But still i'm missing the action.. i want to get the spirit of season 1 back, eps like "Five Years Gone", "Company Man" but even "The Second Coming".. I really hope this season comes back with some of those eps, it's more story telling then action right now. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 16:09, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Im all for heroes but this wasn't the best episode ever. --Tsmarg

The Time Travelling

Have the writers changed their rules concerning time travel or something? When Hiro comes back from stopping the photocopier-butt shananigans the first time, I was expecting him to see himself in the past, and then have to wait for him to run to the roof, but instead he seems to have taken the place of the other Hiro. I hope this makes sense. Another way to look at it is Ando asks an un-inked Hiro why he said yes to the marriage thing, after time travelling, he asks an inked Hiro the same question... My question is where is the un-inked Hiro?

I'm putting it down to laze on the part of the writers, it's not the first time continuity has been screwed. What do y'all think? SomeoneImportant 14:38, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

• The way I was thinking about it, there was a bit that happened off-screen: Hiro went back into the past, told his past self what to do and what happened before, and then disappeared or something. That's just my interpretation, though. It could just be an oversight by the writers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:57, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • That's a sound theory, if it only happened once, but 46 times? SomeoneImportant 15:01, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • We know it is the same Hiro each time because he continues getting messier with each leap back, what changes is the timeline though, so It might be that Hiro is replacing himself at that point in time because something has changed. Or a wizard did it. --Action Figure 16:43, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I also got that question actually while watching the episode, but I understood it just little after. It's a different type of time travel where time is basically like a record head on a VCR. When you go back it "overwrites" any events that occurred in between. There are basically three types of time travel. Before Arthur stole his abilities, Hiro could basically do all of them but without enough knowledge and control over them. Since Baby Matt gave him partly his powers he only seems capable of doing this (multiverse) type of time travel. Actually, there is a good page in the wiki about time travel. --Janrodrigo 18:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
• When a supercharged Daphne went to the past there were temporary copies of her shown onscreen, which would indicate that Hiro's time travel works more like manipulating the flow of time relative to himself. It's like those Nissan Cube commercials where the entire earth moves under the car itself as opposed to the car actually driving and using self propulsion. -Barbedknives (talk)20:38, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Toy airplane

So...who else flashed back to this?--Citizen 19:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

• That would be me. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:45, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Me too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Me too. I actually tought it was that plane, but then i checked. I miss good old GN. --Jmfdr 23:40, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Bryan Fuller

Was I the only one shocked to see Bryan Fuller's name pop up as the writer? I thought he quit writing for the show. Should we post something about this in the trivia section?--Cairoi 00:10, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

• I don't think it's trivia-worthy...but yes, I was pleasantly shocked to see that he had written this episode, too. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Peter ignorant?

Is it me or is peter getting a bit 'stupid', i love peter, he's the best character out there, but in this episode when Nathan came to him and told him he has another power, peter saying it has to run in the family,, why din't he thought about how his brother got that power? And why is it if he thinks his brother got EM like he had, why din't he copies his power? Anyone else thinking like me? WaterRatj 19:24, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

• Why wouldn't he think that. His dad could do it, he used to be able to do it. So I don't see a problem with that. And I don't think he wants to be so powerful anymore (not that he ever did). Before he couldn't help gaining powers. It was just his natural ability. He just wants to help people and he has an ability to do that.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:32, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Cause he wanted superspeed to help people, so if he gets back his old power, he could help people even more,, and powers only evolve with the same power, so having telekenises after having only flight, wich was syntetic btw. This should be obviues for peter, that this isn't possible. WaterRatj 19:35, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually, was Peter ever told that Nathan had a synthetic ability? If he was, you would be right.-Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:39, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I think so, not quite sure, i'll look into it. But still you can agree with me a bit that its a bit suspecious after all that peter went trought. Also if he had EM he would have absorbed claires power and he knows he can't heal, and as far he think he has peter's new ability, he would only be able to have one power! WaterRatj 19:42, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Quotes

There are 9 quotes just now. It may just be me but I think that's a tad too many. Can we remove a couple? Like the one with tracy and the governer saying about what tracy brings to the table. --mc_hammark 07:56, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

• You're right. We don't have a hard and fast rule for how many quotes belong (or don't belong), but we generally stick to four or five quotes. We also make sure the quote itself is memorable, not just the scene. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)