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Well, as of "The Eclipse, Part 2", it seems that the identities of Gabriel's parents are in doubt. Noah claims that Angela and Arthur aren't really his parents; they're just playing on his issues with parental approval. Given that, should we update his infobox? --Ted C 14:59, 3 December 2008 (EST)

  • Given last night's episode, we know that Arthur wasn't his father. However it's still in the air whether Angela was his mother. --Matchu 19:14, 9 December 2008 (EST)


hey, something that's always bugged me is the origin of sylar's name. yes, i know he got it from the watch, but the first time we heard it, elisa thayer/audrey hanson said that sylar was the last words of a dying victim. why would sylar have left a victim alive, and how would the FBI have got to them in time? what kind of situation do you think this occurred in? - Tristan0709 17:38, 4 December 2008 (EST)

  • Sylar only takes the brains of people he believes to have special abilities; he has killed other people who got in his way by various other means. It's not that unlikely that one of these "bystanders" survived long enough to mumble "Sylar" to an emergency responder. --Ted C 17:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)

What if Sylar simply mimics Intuitive Aptitude?

Has anyone considered that could be a possibility perhaps through random customer that came by Sylar absorbed the ability and because of his profession he simply developed that ability more than empathy? Horrorman 10:32, 4 December 2008 (EST)

  • Possibly. But it is easier to presume something off of something we know to be true, rather than what COULD be true. For example, it is possible that Charles Deveaux might be Sylar's father, but we have sources that give us more information that his parents might actually be Arthur and Angela. So I personally think that we can make assumptions based on what we have been shown and not what we have not. - Tristan0709 22:38, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    • Right I understand that but haven't we been shown him suddenly mimicking Elle's lighting? Therefore can't the assumption have some standing, out of all the explanations and theories this one may have the most prominence. Horrorman 8:45, 5 December 2008 (EST)
  • An interesting suggestion, but it raises the question of who Sylar would be able to absorb intuitive aptitude from. He doesn't empathize well; it was an ordeal for him to empathize with Elle enough to absorb her power. For him to have spontaneously absorbed intuitive aptitude, it would have to have come from someone for whom he felt a natural connection. --Ted C 09:53, 5 December 2008 (EST)
    • If this is what happened, it was with his adoptive father, he's the one who fixed clocks before, and Sylar was protective of him and his watch when he visited his adoptive mother. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:24, 5 December 2008 (EST)
      • Well you don't have to be emotionally attached to the person to gain their power, Sylar's case with Elle was simply because he ignored his empathic ability. So one could argue that he simply killed so much he lost any emotional connection to that said acquired ability. Peter absorbed Sylar's telekinesis without having any real natural connection to him. Horrorman 12:57, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Given the information we now have from Exposed i think that Sylar's dad had Intuitive Aptitude and Sylar, being emotionally connected with him, subconsciously absorbed the power as a child. He only exhibited IA, though, because he never realized he could absorb powers and "the hunger" was just too strong for him to ignore.--Peter 19:48, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Sylar's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's about FREAKING time!!!!!!!!!!!!! Claire killed him. Poetic justice I'd say. He tried to kill her the entire show and she's the one to do him in in the end. Piece of glass to the back of the head. No matter how powerful he got, he could still be taken by surprise. Like with Arthur, regeneration didn't make him invincible. All of those powers and its amazing how little it took to take him out for good. With the building destroyed and no one inclined to go in and remove the glass, I highly doubt he'll regenerate. He's gone for good. Hard to believe, but this has happened before for me: another show had an enemy that seemed almost impossible to kill. He was pure evil and built himself an army too. His army was destroyed in battle, but he survived only to finally be killed later on when he was thrown off a balcony hundreds if not thousands of feet in the air. He fell to his death and I almost couldn't believe it due to how many times he came back, but he did actually die according to the writters like I have no doubt Sylar did here. Claire finally got the revenge she's wanted since he took her power.--WarGrowlmon18 22:09, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I highly doubt he's gone for good. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Said something about flashbacks: we may only see him in the flashbacks. Until its confirmed he survived, I consider him dead.--WarGrowlmon18 22:18, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Look again.--Feral
  • Also, when Claire got that branch stuck in her head she revived after it was pulled out... And when Peter had that glass stuck in the back of his head, he came back alive after it was pulled out from his head. - Mike N. 22:16, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • First, who'd want to pull that from the back of his head??? Second, the building was destroyed. His body may have been destroyed in the explosion and if it wasn't, why would someone go back to retrive it and pull out the glass???--WarGrowlmon18 22:18, 15 December 2008 (EST)
      • The person doing his autopsy could pull the glass out his head. It happened to Claire, it can happen to him. I seriously doubt Angela, Claire, and Noah can cover up the explosion and fire of a building that big. -- Cael 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)
        • True, but his body may have been destroyed by the fire or blast.
      • This is all hypothetical, based on the fact that he's still "dead" (He said that Claire couldn't die and now, neither could he). What if Claire or someone else removes the shard in order to stop the stuff we've seen revealed about Volume 4. You know exactely what I mean. He's the most powerful hero/villain in the series, along with Peter Petrelli. Who wouldn't want someone like that on your side?--Uncanny474 15:08, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • Easiest explanation I've heard: the glass in his head melts in the extreme heat of the explosions, allowing him to regenerate. --Ricard Desi 10:36, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think he should be classed as 'deceased' until we actually see him come back. Biohazard 21:41, 16 December 2008 (GMT)
  • I certainly hope they don't bring him back...again. It really annoyed me how he was invincible throughout the first season (because of TK), then Hiro stabbed him through the chest with a sword. Destroying the lead-up of the whole season, WHOOSH! the Company to the rescue! He survived death-chick who knows how many times, then OMG he can regenerate. It takes a lot of fun out of the show when certain characters are immune to being voted off Manhattan Island. We finally have a chance to be rid of him once and for all. They'd better not ruin it like they did by bringing Nathan back for S2 (which made his whole redemption/sacrifice meaningless). --Yamawhata? 17:03, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • Why is everyone hatin' on Sylar? I personally think hes the most interesting character on the show. Who couldn't ♥ his psychopathic intentions? :) - Mike N. 17:19, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • Sylar is my favorite character so I really hope they bring him back. He was just getting back to his former awesomeness too. Bloodbath 20:29, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Sylar's "death" reminds me of when they were trying to kill Apophis in Stargate. However, I'd like to actually see Sylar come back :) --Punxas 17:26, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • More like Michael on Stargate Atlantis for me: he was apparently killed so many times before finally dying when Teyla threw him off the top of Atlantis. Much cooler death too.--WarGrowlmon18 19:05, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • If I was Sylar, I'd be running around with a solid metal helmet on or something. He's always getting tricked. --Cngodles 01:26, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I think its unlikely that Sylar died since we're kinda left wondering who his real parents actually are.Also all sylar lovers they brought Adam back in season two after a load of barrels of gun powder that was right next to him went up in flames. Im pretty sure you would have little more than ashy skeletal remains after something like that, with an unlikely chance of a brain surviving. That case was a much bigger one than sylars as well since primatek is not utterly destroyed and we dont actually know what part of the building sylar was in. Rapid celluar regeneration is still a little mysterious as a chunk of glass in the back of the neck seemingly kills them and yet being blown up and reduced to an ashy corpse doesnt.

I can stand the fact that he's dead but he died like a sissy. No cool death like being thrown into a volcano, stabed in the back of the head by some annoying little cheerleader.--firemole 18:42, 18 December 2008 (EST)

  • So... Sylar is definitely dead? I mean, we've heard again and again that a rapid healer can only be killed by a bullet or intrusive object to the back of the head. Arthur was shot at the front, so he's "dead". Sylar was stabbed at the back, but this page states he's still alive? Or would it be speculative to assume he's dead? We can safely speculate it's only temporary, that's for sure... Revengeance 08:09, 21 December 2008 (EST)
  • This is the most reasonable theory I have heard and what I personally think on the matter. Sylar will be appearing on next season. Sylar live through both the fire and explosions due to Rapid celluar regeneration. The intense heat generated by either the fire or an explosion would melt the shard of glass. An explaination of why he wouldn't die from an explosion. Explosions did not kill Adam, claire, or peter due to Rapid celluar regeneration repair the flesh as its being destroyed. Thus they are never truly destroyed. Even if the fire did not melt the glass in sylar before an explosion he would survive. An explosion generates an intense burst of heat that would melt the glass before skin due to all the water that resides in the skin. And even if an explosion did occur near enough to sylar to kill him the glass would most likely be destroyed before the rest fo his body thus (as shown in other occurances) allowing instant regain of concussness and powers. --Default 22:27, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Thoughts on Telekinesis

So we know the following so far:

  • Sylar's first kill, a result of succumbing to The Hunger, was Brian Davis, from whom he took the power of telekinesis.
  • Sylar felt extreme guilt over this, and attempted to kill himself, only to be saved by Elle.
  • Sylar eventually lost his abilities to the Shanti virus.
  • After recovering from the Shanti virus, Sylar retained his intuitive aptitude, AND telekinesis.

I would be inclined to believe that Sylar has made telekinesis a natural ability, no longer a result of intuitive aptitude. To add to this theory, let's look at a few things about power absorption:

  • The writers stated that Peter could not absorb powers from his future self because he would only be absorbing empathic mimicry.
  • In a similar sense, if Peter tried to absorb anything from Sylar, he would only pull out Sylar's natural abilities.
  • When Claude is beating the piss out of Peter on the rooftop of the Deveaux building, he calls up telekinesis, which he could only have absorbed from Sylar.
  • Peter has only been able to copy intuitive aptitude and telekinesis from Sylar. He has never displayed any of the abilities Sylar had absorbed when they met, or anytime since then.

There is a lot of evidence to back up the claim that Sylar has somehow naturalized telekinesis. Even the writers have made allusions to it. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 11:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

It's been said by the writers that telekinesis stayed because of the emotional toll the murdering of Brian Davis took on Sylar, just like he was able to get electric manipulation without looking at Elle's brain. That's why it's more deep in his system. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:11, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • Wow, I would've never thought of that but that seems like a pretty good theory. :) - Mike N. 17:16, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • I threw the question to BTE, we'll see if it gets answered (hope so!) --Ricard Desi 13:41, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • The writers seem to have used the excuse of Sylar retaining Telekenesis because of the emotional scar it left on him as a ridiculous excuse to keep him a terrifying character capable of killing just about anyone. I really wish they were more creative than that. How could Sylar loose abilities in the first place? He doesn't just randomly absorb powers, he learns how they operate. I mean if I got sick I wouldn't forget how to drive a car. The only thing you could claim is memory loss, which the writers do not seem to have encorporated with the Shanti Virus.Cdweston 23:48, 22 December 2008 (EST)
  • Maybe the abilities he used rarely were less developed and attacked first by the virus. It could be possible that it made its way deeper into his nervous system destroying abilities he used more often, until he cured it just before it destroyed the part of his brain that controlled Telekinesis (his second most used power.) This would explain why he can use Precognition and Induced Radioactivity in the future- because they were deep set powers that he was able to recover... --Sylar149 12:57, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Just going back to the original point about Peter absorbing Sylar's abilities. Peter is only able to absorb those abilities because they are the only abilities that he associates with Sylar. The only reason he could absorb IA is because he absorbed it from Future Gabriel, who he thinks of as a different individual. It's all in the heart for Peter, so he couldn't absorb any more of Sylar's abilities even if he wanted to. Unless of course he travels to another future and absorbs a different ability from that Sylar.--Steelymcbeam 17:39, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Not really, in one of the BTE interviews, they said that if Peter took some time off after getting IA, he could have tapped into other abilities he was exposed to, such as clairvoyance or alchemy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:53, 17 January 2009 (EST)


Stop me if I'm jumping any guns, but did anyone else hear The sound used when Claude goes invisible when Sylar snuck up on someone? (I forget who exactly it was imo)Also, where do I go to submit questions to BTE? I've searched and searched but I can't find it, and I wanted to submit this. Psilaq Remake 16:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)

  • I've never noticed a sound effect. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:40, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • By the way "Please make sure to get in all your questions in by 6:00 PM Pacific time on Thursday, December 18" and this is most likely your last chance until February. - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • Yes, it was when he snuck up on either Angela or Claire in the hallway (can't remember who). There was definitely a sound effect. I'm wondering if it's that old shadow power again...OUChevelleSS 15:29, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Significant Others is speculative

All of the "significant others" on the page are incorrect. Maya nor Elle were ever officially significant others, except perhaps in someone's made up fantasies. - Anon

  • I assume you stopped watching the show after season one. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 08:15, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • Nope, I am on the up and up. - Anon
  • Sylar and Maya was a pretty obvious one, and Sylar and Elle is pretty much spelled out in front of us. No speculation there --Ricard Desi 11:50, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • Where and when were either of those spelled out? - Anon
      • Well, for example, when Sylar and Elle were having sex on the floor of the Canfields' house in The Eclipse, Part 2. --Yamawhata? 14:07, 19 December 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah, it was pretty obvious in both Eclipse episodes. Bloodbath 17:43, 19 December 2008 (EST)
          • And if it weren't clear there, then go watch Villains. They even had a picnic date in Sylar's apartment and she baked him a peach pie. - Mike N. 18:27, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • I think we've basically always considered almost any physical hookup enough to classify people as significant others. Brody basically flirted with Claire and then raped and killed her, and he's listed; Hiro and Yaeko kissed twice, and they're each listed. --Stevehim 13:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah, and Daphne only said, "I love you" to Matt and the two of them are classed as having a relationship, too. --WeatherWitch 14:05, 21 December 2008 (EST)
        • But it is clear in the Maphne case that the storyline is heading towards a relationship between them. And in the other cases, I think that a relationship between two characters, no matter how long or short, should define them as being a significant other. - Tristan0709 talk 00:04, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Infobox...simplicity vs accuracy and consistency

I was going to add all of his powers to the infobox when I saw the note about only listing the ones he currently has access to to keep it simple, but I have to disagree. For one thing, it's factually inaccurate to not list things he's gained and lost under a heading of 'acquired.' For another, its inconsistent with how we dealt with lost powers on other pages, specifically Peter's. Prior to switching his power to 'Flight (restored),' we listed all of Peter's mimicked powers with a note saying they were all lost. We should do so here too. Considering it's only seven powers, it really wouldn't make the infobox that messy, imo. However, if this is not desireable, then at the very least we should changed the heading in the infobox to something like: 'Known acquired powers currently held.' --Stevehim 23:34, 24 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think 'Currently held powers' is slightly better wording, but we can argue semantics later. I support this proposal wholeheartedly. --Yamawhata? 21:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think we do really want to keep the box as short and simple as possible. During Peter's "no powers" time, there was a pretty good chance he would get them all back at once before the end of the season. As that's no longer likely, I'd actually like to see his infobox simplified as well (if it hasn't been done already). --Ted C 09:59, 31 December 2008 (EST)
    • His is, but more because we honestly have no idea what power(s) he does/doesn't have, other than flight. If the purpose of this wiki was to be simple I'd agree, but we're going for accuracy across the full narrative, I feel like including all powers he's had (including the ones he's lost, signifying them appropriately) would be the better choice. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:38, 31 December 2008 (EST)
      • I'm not saying we shouldn't be comprehensive and complete, I'm just saying that the Infobox is not the appropriate place for such an extensive list. We have an Evolved Human Abilities heading for extensive discussion of such things. The Infobox is more of an "at a glance" reference, and I think it should show what abilities the character has at present rather than a complete history of powers that have come and gone. The fact that it says "current" abilities in the Infobox makes it clear that there's more detail. We could include an internal link to the detail: I'll work on that. --Ted C 14:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)
    • I suppose the current does cover it, but just wanted to point out that we had no real reason to assume Peter would ever regain his powers (any more than Sylar regaining his), even when Arthur was still alive. --Stevehim 16:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)
    • How about a compromise then? Can we list a few of his lost powers (let's say 2), with an et al. link like we do when listing the Company's known leaders & members on that page? It really seems very inaccurate to me to leave them off completely, especially when we're listing what is, imo, less pertinent information in the form of 6 different aliases and 3 different nicknames for him instead. --Stevehim 11:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The most powerful...

  • Is there anyone else in the Heroes universe as powerful as Sylar now that Peter has been slightly powered down and Arthur is dead? Do you think people will just stop trying to capture/kill him now? :P Bloodbath 18:49, 4 February 2009 (EST)
    • More powerful than Sylar? Tim Kring. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:34, 4 February 2009 (EST)
      • More powerful than Tim Kring? Mr. Muggles. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:37, 4 February 2009 (EST)
        • More powerful than Mr. Muggles? Waffles (until the next eclipse). --Yamawhata? 20:58, 4 February 2009 (EST)
          • More powerful than waffles? Admin. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:16, 8 February 2009 (EST)
            • More powerful than Admin? Drug Dealer
              • More powerful than Drug dealer? Rabid shippers. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:25, 8 February 2009 (EST)
                • I think it was pretty much killed when the drug dealer was brought up Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Don't even say that, look at the drug dealers theories page, he's earnt the right and has the power to be placed here.--Steelymcbeam 12:17, 8 February 2009 (EST)

  • Actually, if Harry Fletcher hasn't been mentioned yet. More than him? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:23, 8 February 2009 (EST)
    • Honestly don't even mention Harry Fletcher, he gets spammed around here way too much.--Steelymcbeam 12:26, 8 February 2009 (EST)
      • I know he is, who do you think left the "don't add crazy Harry Fletcher theories" to Sylar's theory page? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:30, 8 February 2009 (EST)


I was just wondering why the section for 3x14 it was listed as Regeneration being the reason he was unaffected when clearly he has been knocked unconscious and shocked repeatedly all the while feeling the pain. Wouldn't it be due to the Electrical Manipulation he got from Elle? MagicalDreamer 06:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)

I believe they mentioned it was RCR in the episode commentary, but it makes sense to be it, Elle wasn't immune to electricity, so neither is Sylar. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:02, 8 February 2009 (EST)
  • Still doesn't make sense, I'm pretty sure regenerators have been electrocuted in the past and been knocked out. I know Peter has and his RCR(at that point in time) was always active.--Steelymcbeam 09:20, 8 February 2009 (EST)
    • What do you think it's stronger? A bolt from Elle or a taser dart? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)
      • I don't know, he had several taser darts in him, and these are high voltage, designed to stun/incapacitate.--Steelymcbeam 09:34, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Yes but that being said, just one of these darts will incapacitate a person without RCR. And which has been demonstrated before characters with RCR can still be knocked out by average instances. Why Sylar survived this is beyond me.--Steelymcbeam 09:45, 8 February 2009 (EST)

What the bleeding hell happened to TK?

In Season 1, Sylar used TK like there was no tomorrow including as a body shield, creating near invulnerability. Why has he stopped this? Is there a valid reason, as it sure would help in a lot of the situations he constantly finding himself in. And on top of that, would allow him to not be injured in the back of the head, preventing death.--Steelymcbeam 09:23, 8 February 2009 (EST)

...Puppet master?

...Has he taken it, or was that just telekinesis? (referring to the scene in the Campbell home) Looked/sounded a lot like puppet master... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:34, 9 February 2009 (EST)

  • I thought so, too. (Admin 22:14, 9 February 2009 (EST))
  • Its telekinesis --Skyeatsout 22:16, February 9, 2009
    • And why is it telekinesis? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:17, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • He killed Eric Doyle, there was no sound of telekinesis. There was the same sound when Eric used his ability to shut people up. The evidence points to puppet master, not telekinesis. (Admin 22:18, 9 February 2009 (EST))
      • Before I have a major edit war, that is just spectulation that the was puppet master. it may have been a mistake on the editors part. and he didn't kill eric....Meesa yoda 22:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)
        • ...A mistake that they used the puppet master sound effect (specifically the mouth shutting one) and not the telekinesis sound effect? A mistake that Sylar made Mary close her mouth in the exact same way that Eric made everyone else close their mouths? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:47, 9 February 2009 (EST)
          • Remember when people thought Peter and Sylar had Eden's power because the voice effect? But then they said the effect was only used for the coolness factor and not because they had it? Couldn't the same have been done without him having the pupper master ability? --Cael 22:48, 9 February 2009 (EST)
            • Maybe Sylar was branching out. lets just wait for the writers say anything about it.Meesa yoda 22:50, 9 February 2009 (EST)
            • The voice effect wasn't the same for Eden and Peter/Sylar. Plus, whoever they were using that voice on wasn't persuaded to do anything. This is different. Exact same sound effects as puppet master (sound of a vault closing), exact same action to initiate those effects (thumb and fingers together), and exact same result (victim shuts up). I'm thinking it's a pretty darn big leap to assume that this was a mistake. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:53, 9 February 2009 (EST)
              • Like I said let's wait maybe he killed him after the view left him we don't know yet.Meesa yoda 22:55, 9 February 2009 (EST)
                • I think it's telekinesis, we've seen Sylar control people with telekinesis before, remember Audrey? And we've always known that Sylar just moves his fingers cause it helps him focus his ability, he could have simply liked the way Doyle channeled his power and decided to copy him, or because it's more efficient. Who knows. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:59, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                  • "he could have simply liked the way Doyle channeled his power and decided to copy him". That's a stretch. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. They've never done things like that on accident. Pose the question to CBR if you'd like them to answer it explicitly, however watching the scene a few times the actions and reactions and effects are identical to the scenes with Doyle. (Admin 19:02, 10 February 2009 (EST))
  • Let me point out that when there was some debate over whether or not Sylar sliced open heads using TK or a different power, it was decided that the different sound effect didn't mean anything. Since Sylar hasn't been confirmed to have taken puppet mastery, but he is known to have TK and to have used it to control others actions, it should remain assumed to be TK for now. It will probably be explained sooner or later (hopefully sooner) --Yamawhata? 18:39, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • We make a lot of assumptions based on sound effects. They do mean something. I don't know what you're getting at with the slicing open heads thing. We never saw Sylar actually cut open a head before Homecoming, so of course we couldn't know that it was telekinesis. We couldn't make any solid assumption on what the power was at all. Sound effects had nothing to do with it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:44, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I go one step further and not even call them assumptions. They're observations just like anything else we observe in the show. They are very consistent and make it easy to tell when one ability is being used versus another via sound and visual effects. It's just that not everyone is able to interpret them as easily as others can. (Admin 19:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))
        • If Sylar had this ability, I think he'd show it off a bit. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:08, 10 February 2009 (EST)
          • He just did! ;) (Admin 19:10, 10 February 2009 (EST))
            • By show it off, I mean like he did with Bob's ability to Elle. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
              • Do you have the episode Dying of the Light recorded somewhere? Eric uses his ability several times in that episode and I just watched his scenes along with the new one of Sylar and the effect is the same. I do recommend checking it out if you can it might help. (Admin 19:22, 10 February 2009 (EST))
                • I have that one but I don't have last night's. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:30, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                  • It's up on Hulu here if you're able to use Hulu. (Admin 19:32, 10 February 2009 (EST))
                    • I'm not, I don't live in the US, so hulu's out of limits for me, I've tried using proxies to get there, but none of them ever worked. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:34, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • i agree that it sounded like puppet mastery. maybe sylar took both doyle and pine's abilities before leaving primatech. after all pine's body was missing and he didnt slit doyle's throat like he did to echo, whos power he had. he must've known he couldnt be killed and took their abilities. however it is probably best to wait and see how sylar survived or for the writer's to confirm it. Shoyru1177 10:11, 12 February 2009 (EST)
    • He used telekinesis. Simple as that. He telekinetically shut her mouth. OmniScience
      • To be blatantly honest, there's more evidence pointing towards puppet mastery than telekinesis. Where's your evidence? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 11:09, 15 February 2009 (EST)
        • My evidence? Telekinesis; Movement of objects using ones mind. Now... does a mouth count as an object? OmniScience
          • Technically, the mouth is an object. But when do you hear people referring to body parts as objects? Plus, we still have the fact that Sylar a) closed Mary's mouth in the exact same way that Doyle did and b) the same sound effect from puppet mastery was played. That's 1 for 2. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 18:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
            • It's still matter, Telekinesis doesn't move objects only, it moves anything that it's able to get a hold on. Sylar has used telekinesis to manipulate another person's body against their will before (Audrey), if manipulation of the human body falls to Doyle's ability, we could say Arthur had this ability cause he snapped Maury's neck with a flick of his wrist. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
              • Do I need to reiterate the fact that the puppet mastery sound effect was explicitly used in Trust and Blood? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 19:24, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                • My personal viewpoint? Puppet mastery. But in the end, it's not confirmed one way or the other. Hopefully we'll get an answer from CBR tonight. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                  • Call my memory and hearing faulty but the sound was still tk for me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:29, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                    • Well look at it again... I'm 100% sure it was puppet mastery's sound. But in any case, it wasn't puppet mastery... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 20:55, 5 March 2009 (EST)
                      • Well, Doyle appears to be alive. I guess we just chock this one up to be just another case of Ability homology. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:35, 5 March 2009 (EST)

IceGhost78too bad he never killed eric

      • Ok. Well now we know he is able to take abilities without cutting off heads and without having deep conversations with the person. This is evidenced by him taking the shape shifting power. It is now very possible he did take puppet master from doyle.
        • Very possible but not seen yet. --Peter 20:11, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Plus, he can already force people to move as he wishes with telekinesis, not a lot of people remember that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:13, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

He definetly has Puppet Master, and I don't see why people doubt this. It has already been evidenced that he doesn't HAVE to kill a person to take powers (as with Elle), or open up their heads (as with Shapeshifting). Puppet Master should be added to the list. User:Squall

  • The problems are, 1) Doyle is alive, 2) we haven't seen Sylar take his power, 3) Sylar can control the movements of others via telekinesis. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • People doubt it simply because it's not confirmed. It's very possible, but there has been no confirmation that I know of that says Sylar definitely has Doyle's ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Points taken, but I put to you that while he has controlled people's movements with telekinesis before, the way he controls Claire in An Invisible Thread is quite different - slower and more jerky, more like Doyle's ability (which, admittedly, is just a minor form of telekinesis anyway). Perhaps, even if not directly taking Doyle's power, he learned from him a new way to use his existing ability? - User:Squall

why wudnt sylar cut open agent simmon's head and get the info he needs??

when peter got sylar's power from the future and returned he threatened angela to tell him evrything or he wud open her head and get to know it,i was wondering why sylar wud go for all the trouble when he cud do the same to agent simmons

  • I think that only works on powers. Konewka
    • Why? Peter already has Angela's powers - He did the same thing to Nathan, he wanted to know his intentions and started slicing his head. Why would finding information work on people who have abilities and not on ordinary people? OmniScience
      • There's a difference between understanding how brain-controlled powers work and reading thoughts and memories. AFAIK, Sylar's never done the later.--Cro Magnon 22:33, 12 February 2009 (EST)
        • It's possible he didn't do it only because it wasn't the direction the writers wanted to take. It's also possible that the information he would obtain by examining the brain is less specific and has more to do with understanding why people do things rather than what they did. Based on past explanations by the writers, though, I think it's just not how they wanted the story to unfold. (Admin 23:13, 12 February 2009 (EST))

Our little boy is growing up

It seems, Sylar is able to control his "hunger". He didn't kill his adoptive watchmaker father and he didn't kill Luke. Which he states is a big deal for him. Oh my god... they grow up so fast and mature so quick. Lol. Although he still kills for powers, he is indeed surpressing his urges. Perhaps, being on a journey to look for his father is his main concern now, he doesn't care to be "special" anymore. OmniScience

  • I wouldn't say he's controling the hunger just because he wants, he's doing it cause it's beneficial for him now, he knows the government is after him, so increasing his body count would attract attention, he doesn't want his search for his father to be interrupted. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Why did Sylar seem to still have 'The Hunger' in Season 2?

Is anyone else still bothered that after adding the 'hunger' excuse for Sylar's behavior, in season 2 there was NO difference in how he acted? Wouldn't he have been able to at least NOTICE the hunger was gone when under the care of Candice? Or did the hunger, or intuitive aptitude altogether somehow persist during the Shanti virus infection? AllUltima 11:13, 15 February 2009 (EST)

  • I think the hunger was "gone", but the reason he felt the need to get powers is that he missed them, had an opening and took it.
  • It's like quitting smoking - After a while the physical addiction goes away, but the hardest part is breaking the habbit.

Sylar and Luke

It seems that Sylar cares about Luke somewhat. He saved him from Danko's Goon Squad and while he claims to have come back just for that laptop, he did save him and when Luke pointed out that he could have just left him there he didn't have a response for him. Also that was interesting information about Sylar's motives now. Notice that after he temporaily turned good he doesn't seem to have as much of a motivation to kill people for powers or anything else. He killed Elle in revenge for what she did to him and regreted it, he killed Sue for her power, but that was because he needed it to know the truth and note that besides Macon he hasn't killed anyone else for power since, he killed Arthur for revenge for using him, but left Peter and the Haitain (who did have a power he could have used) alone, he killed those team members in self-defense, but left Luke and his mother alone. I think he was being truthful about his new motivations and who knows if he'll go back to his old ways once he meets his father though.--WarGrowlmon18 23:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)


Sylar has lost the same menacing look and feel that he had in season one and the first two episodes - please, writers, bring back the kickassery that he used to have. and for God's sake, give him a haircut, I miss the spikey thing he had in genisis and generations --Halfbreed1426 21:27, 21 February 2009

BTE Confirms Sylar Mimics IA

Latest Behind The Eclipse confirms that Sylar is empathically mimicking Intuitive Aptitude from his Father.... --Action Figure 11:01, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I didn't read that into their response at all. Someone asked if that were the case and the response was "What are you doing tonight, Richard?" I count that as a non-response. --Jrrenola 12:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
    • But after last night's episode i think that Sylar does Emphatically mimic his dad's power. If that's true, shouldn't we add it into Sylar's infobox? --Peter 14:09, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
      • I'm still not convinced that he possesses EM - I thought he had just inherited IA... However, he did absorb Elle's ability through empathy. I guess I need to be hit over the head with more definitive proof. --Jrrenola 14:24, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
  • His assignment tracker file as shown in the episode itself explicitly labeled his ability as "intuitive aptitude". (Admin 14:29, 10 March 2009 (EDT))
    • I think it is EM and that he got his father's power as a child. It and telekenisis stayed with him as the only powers he empathetically aquired after the virus. The company didn't know what power he had, but somehow Arthur knew. That's why his file has the wrong power. Arthur may have known b/c he knew Sylar was able to keep the TK powers after the virus. Arthur knew his history too.--Mistyjo 12:33, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Too little information, we should wait and see if this gets clear on the show. By the way, didn't BTE "confirm" that Sylar is a Petrelli? Please, respond to this, cuz I can't remember... --Altes 12:59, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Come on people, his ability isn't EM it's IA. He can simply add new abilities because of his understanding of how they work. As for absorbing it from his father, I think that's really just a case of Ability heredity. And for the last point about telekinesis, it's been stated that it's because of the severe guilt he felt over his first kill. This kept it in his brain and therefore his DNA. Now does this make sense to anyone else?--Steely McBeam - (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
    • He most likely had the procedure of adding telekinesis permanently etched into his memory because of the trauma and guilt. Since the shanti virus can't remove native abilities, he kept it (intuitive aptitude) and reconfigured his DNA from memory to include telekinesis. He could not however remember any other abilities because he had no meaningful memory related to them. -Barbedknives (talk)17:34, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar having EM is too.. complicated. It's better to see him fighting his IA hunger, than to see him using EM instead of lopping skulls. It's Sylar.--Altes 15:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
    • It's not complicated. Sylar has the same ability Peter used to have. It just doesn't happen without his knowing it like would happen to Peter. He actually has to concentrate to use it, therefor he uses his father's power because it's quick and easy. Also, he seems to master the ability faster that way where as with EM he has to practice like he did with Elle's ability. The hunger is in him all the time whether he's using IM or not just like when Peter took IM from Sylar, so don't worry about Sylar going soft. Sylar's dad could take healing from Sylar though it isn't his original power, so Sylar could give Peter IM even if Sylar's original power is EM. I don't think BTE alone should be the reason we would change it, I think we should change it simply because the story line has changed it. Sylar never killed anyone or looked at Peter's brain so he could get EM, yet, he was able to get Elle's power. At the time, this was confusing because we never saw him acquire IM nor did Sylar remember anyone else with it. It was some weird mystery. Another mystery is somehow he kept both TK and IM but lost all his other powers. We find out he kept TK because he felt guilt (or EMPATHY) over his first kill. It's like 2+2=4. Acquiring IM early in life from his father then forgetting about it explains why Sylar didn't know he had EM and how he got IM. Maybe later the story line will change again like it did when we find out Angela and Arthur lied about being his parents, but right now, I think it's obvious he has EM. The wiki should change with the story.--Mistyjo 19:05, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Mistyjo, you mean IA - Intuitive Aptitude. I think powers can be used in different ways and for different means, like telepathy allows mind reading, casting illusions, forcing others to do a telepath's will... Ted managed to find a different use for his power too. Maybe the same with Sylar - there are different ways to absorb abilities. He can do it without killing, but EM does NOT require intense concentration. Therefore Sylar's ability isn't EM - it's still IA.--Altes 06:13, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Even if the writers meant that Sylar had empathic mimicry (which I don't believe they did), it would still contradict a canon source. We always employ canon sources over secondary and outside sources. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
  • *sigh*  :) --Action Figure 09:00, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
      • I did mean IA, thanks. I think Sylar has to concentrate to use EM because the 'side effects' of IA have pushed away any empathy he had. For instance, Peter, who was very empathetic lost his empathy and became a monster when he took IA from Sylar. I guess we'll see what happens when Peter and Sylar reunite.--Mistyjo 11:38, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
        • Well, then Sylar can honestly slice Peter's skull open and take his power.--Altes 13:49, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
          • I think they just confirmed it again. How else would he have EM? He never took it from anyone. He got IA from his dad with his EM.--Mistyjo 22:22, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I thought they meant that he mimicked it using IA. He understood his plight and the troubles he's been through (and his power, of course). And he absorbed it. Same thing as with Elle. Understood is the main word in their answer. --Peter 22:28, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Right, and "Understood" is part of the definition of empathy. To quote my Mac, "Empathy: The ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Sylar knew him completely. He knew why he made the decisions he made and he knew how he felt being captured and people trying to kill him. They said that empathy isn't always nice. You can have empathy for someone without ever feeling sympathy.--Mistyjo 22:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Well, for me he still used the empathy part of the intuitive aptitude ability, unless they spell it out with no possible way for misinterpretation, Sylar's core ability has always been intuitive aptitude for me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
                • Sylar also said to Danko that the power to understand things is the only that has always been truly his, chalk one up for IA, Sylar doesn't have EM. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:57, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Just A Thought

Is it possible that Sylar still has the power he originally has in addition to the ones he already has? It's been said he can't use the powers he needed because of the empathy thing, but remembering to how Luke and Sylar escape, Sylar shattered the windows. It is possible that this was Trevor's power or just advance TK? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 23:40, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't even think it was advanced telekinesis--just the plain old garden variety kind. Sylar lost Trevor's ability (and a whole lot of others) when he contracted the Shanti virus. Most never returned. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Thanks, I could never figure out things in Heroes as of lately. Sometimes I think the writers could pull the rug under us and hit us with new stuff, erasing the old stuff. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 00:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Will Sylar Be Nerfed?

It is common knowledge that all of the top tier characters save Sylar, Haitain, and Doyle have been nerfed. Doyle was recently incarcerated, so does Heroes Wiki think Sylar's powers will be noobified before or after season 4? -Barbedknives (talk)00:35, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Since Peter's been nerfed, there is nobody who can stand up to Sylar. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to de-power him.--Cro Magnon 10:39, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Please not again... He has already been de-powered in season 2 (due to the Shanti Virus)and lost many of his powers because of it:(--Sylar Fan09 12:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)