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Terrakinesis

Should we include his known ability as Terrakinesis? Joshua Korolenko

  • We don't know for sure if that's his power. For all wthat was shown in the promo vid, it could be just telekinesis. I think it's terrakinesis as well, but let's just wait for confirmation. Until then, it could go in the theories section of this page. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 10:59, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
  • Why is Terrakinesis listed in his infobox if its not confirmed yet? --Snow Leapord 18:51, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
    • I think it was confirmed somewhere. But I may be wrong.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:56, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
      • The only place I ever saw it saying it was terrakinesis was at the ODI. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
        • After Strange Attractors i think isn't only Terrakinesis. He can teleport the Carnival (See Ink) or maybe he can teleport the other people without touch them. But i think is the 1st. TanderixUTCR 15:37 (Italy), 27 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Not necessarily his doing, he could have had another carny with an ability that would allow that do it, but stay hidden, so Samuel could make a dramatic effect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Yes, this is possible TanderixUTCR 21:00 (ItalY), 27 October 2009 (EDT)
              • I thought that was Arnold's doing, since he can teleport people places without going with him. Can't he? daevon 16:05, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Main Character?

I could be wrong, but wasn't he listed as a guest star in the opening credits? --Skullman1392 22:16, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

  • ummm I really dont remember. on another note is his ability really terrakinesis? and whats with the ink thing? by the way amazing premier. -Tsmarg
    • I'm positive he was listed with the guest cast, and thus cannot be considered a main character. --Skullman1392 07:52, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • He was credited on-screen as a guest star, but in the press releases he is credited as a regular. This is similar to David Anders in early Season Two, his status was changed eventually. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:59, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Still considered guest cast... I vote he should be removed from the main cast (on our site, obviously) untill he is listed as part of the main caston the show. Technically we have no cannon evidence he is main cast, and again, maybe the bigshots at Heroes decided they don't want him around for long and changed his status. If he becomes listed with the main cast, he can thus be changed back. --Skullman1392 22:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Arnold

How do you know his name is Arnold. Does he call him that, during the episode? --Janrodrigo 10:28, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • A page has already been created for this character, and it lists his name as Ronald. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Abilities

Do we know for sure that his ability is terrakinesis? Because of those tattoo things, I thought he had could do something else. Any thoughts? - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 11:38, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Maybe he developed his ability and may be able to do some randomly different things? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • For some reason, I feel that he is either like he has multiple powers (Terrakinesis: when he moves the earth; Some Ink Ability: When he manipulates the ink; Telekinesis or something like that: When he keeps the pins from falling.) - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 11:57, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Ink-okinesis, yeah. :-P Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Technically, the proper name for Ink Manipulation is Melanokinesis... Nut could also be counted as using Terrakinesis upon Mineral-Based ink.--NW 15:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
        • Lol. If it's actually Imprinting, than maybe we named it wrong. I think he has a form of Empathic Mimicry, but maybe a bit more selective. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 12:02, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

+The actor confirmed in that LotsOfInterviews interview that was his character's ability. He said something about the minerals in the ink is the reason he can move in round. --OutbackZack 13:48, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Have we thought, maybe he can control earth and ink...it's possible that they share some of the same composite minerals--Anthony Gooch 16:35, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

and he may have been controling this mystery mineral stated above to control the metal bottles that he threw to convince Hiro at the carnaval.
  • Well at the moment it says

Using his strange tattoo power once again, images of Claire, Sylar, and Peter appear on Lydia's back.

Evolved Human Abilities Samuel has the ability to move earth.

So it needs to be changed, should we wait for the next episode to shed some light on it?-- By Danko CH 16:46, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

We could change it to something link "control mineral materials". Ink can have those. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:57, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I would guess that he is an empath like Peter. The reasons I suspect this is that he seemed quite interested in discovering that Peter 'was' and empath by Edgar. Also, it would explain why he can do tricks with ink and manipulate the earth. It is entirely possible that Lydia's ability is ink manipulation (or whatever) and the other guy (being buried) had terrakinisis, or someone else from the carnival. -Barbedknives (talk)21:18, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • I think his brother Joseph was the Empath thats why he was interested in Peter, and he said it on the last episode that he controls the earth on his feet.--Darkfiremaster13 06:26, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Name it Samuel's ability, just like with Mohinder. =\ Green.gif AltesUTC CH

      • Actually i thought he said he could control the earth under his own feet. Meesa yoda 21:53, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Sorry my mistake, but it still proves that he have Terrakinesis and was not an Empath right? I think that is why he was interested in Peter cause their group needed another Empath to "replace" the past Empath on the group (I'm guessing it was Joseph). Like Hiro doing something that Arnold couldn't do because he was old and weak --Darkfiremaster13 05:44, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

just noticed some nice trivia

Samuel uses the name bill hooper as his alias, this is also the name of the man who wrote about the mysterious drownings in nathan's newspaper at the end of volume 4.

Anyone hope he doesn't die?

  • Since Heroes has a long trend of killing off its villians during or after one volume (look at Adam, Arthur, Knox, Flint, Maury, and now Danko), it's likely Samuel will meet the same fate. I for one really hope this doesn't happen for once, because Samuel's a fairly unique main villian by the show's standards. He's not uber-powerful like Arthur or Sylar, but is strong enough to be a threat by himself, unlike Danko or Adam (who was just more durable then an average human). Anyone else hope he sticks around for a while?Swm 08:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Yes. Also, I don't see him as a villain. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:15, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
    • He killed lots of people? And you don't see him as villain??? WaterRatj 19:44, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
      • No, I don't. He's killed three people by my count. Noah has killed more than that. Even Ted has a higher kill rate than that. I'm not saying Samuel is not going to become a villain, I'm just saying I don't see him as one right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:22, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
        • You can't compare noah with the three people he killed in the sinkhole WaterRatj 21:00, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Who did he kill? Or was that all in the webisode, GN, and iStories? ~~IHHTalk 20:28, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Three people died in the sinkhole. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:34, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Still its a murder, that doesn't mean i want him to die, he can become good, but now he's going to the evil path WaterRatj 20:40, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
              • I just see him as a really confused guy who just wants to fill the gap his brother left when he died. He's actually kind of neutral -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:35, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
                • My sister read somewhere that he was only destined to shoot six episodes, but they extended his contract before volume 5 starts airing. Hopefully the carnival remains for the rest of the show, it was good to have character(s) that you can't tell if they were a villain or a hero.--Darkfiremaster13 07:09, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't want Samuel to die, Robert Knepper is as great as Zach Quinto... But I'm afraid that's just what's going to happen. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • I do hope he dies, and I really hope Sylar will kill him, that would be badass -- (WaterRatj) 07:29, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Agree :D --Skullman1392 17:02, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
        • If he does kill him, I hope he doesn't take his power. Sylar would just be stupid with terrakinesis. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:39, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
          • I hope he stayed on the rest of the show, I think he was a villain on a same level as Magneto. He wanted all the specials to come together and protect them from the normals, and kill those normal if they attacked anyone special.--Darkfiremaster13 18:42, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I still hope he doesn't die, even though he's now descending into villiany. Sinking a police station full of bloodthirsty cops is one thing, but kidnapping Charlie and marooning her in time is very very low. Not to mention murdering Mohinder... Swm 05:26, 3 November 2009 (EST)
    • I think he kidnapped Charlie to make Hiro do his will, that was to undo his wrong doing including what he did to Mohinder. --Darkfiremaster13 05:29, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  • If he does die, I really don't want Sylar to be the one to do it. I'm honestly sick of the guy at this point.--PJDEP 17:12, 6 December 2009 (EST)
    • Same here, he just seems to be doing the same old thing. It's nice to have a new villain like Samuel, I hope they don't kill him off. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 17:17, 6 December 2009 (EST)

I heard rumors

That Samuel can also control water. Apparently it's from a UK only press release by Tim Kring. Can anyone confirm?--Gibbeynator 18:48, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I've not really read it yet but here's the link. --mc_hammark 19:02, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't think Tim actually said it, I think it was just the writer getting it wrong. --mc_hammark 19:08, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, I just wanted to see it with my own eyes. But it DOES explain how Samuel can control the ink without trying to explain what's in the ink that he can control.--Gibbeynator 21:51, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I think Samuel can only control water if minerals are dissolved in it. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • I thought Terrakinesis had VERY strict rules about how it works? This is something that seriously needs to be addressed in the show.--Gibbeynator 20:28, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Rules? What rules? What needs to be addressed? I'm not seeing what the issue is that needs to be addressed on the show. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Only thing I can think of is that Sparrow couldn't summon earth in the city, a problem she later overcame. No reason to think that applies to Samuel. Swm 14:06, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Its going to need some new rules, otherwise he can control everything, as everything is made up of elements. For instance he may only be able to manipulate certain mixtures of different elements. Otherwise he has telekinesis far more powerful than Sylar.
      • How is terrakinesis more powerful than telekinesis? Terrakinesis moves earth, telekinesis moves anything. --Boycool42 13:51, 20 February 2010 (EST)
        • I think what the mystery poster was meaning is that everything on earth is made up of things that came from the earth, ie he could control them all. However, this doesn't seem to be the case with Samuel. --mc_hammark 13:54, 20 February 2010 (EST)

No Quotes?

  • Surely he's had at least one memorable one by now? The one to Sylar in Tabula Rasa, about how family accepts and forgives its own, seems a suitable one at least. I don't remember exactly how it's worded, or I would add it in. Anybody have any suggestions? Swm 14:08, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Why don't you look at the episodes, pick out a couple of the best ones, and put them on his page? If there are too many, some will probably be erased to make room for new ones, and to trim the page, but we have to start somewhere :D --Skullman1392 22:44, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Victims

He has killed a few times already, do we have a victim page for him? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:29, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree--Yoshi n1 17:43, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • So, Anybody intrested to make a victims list for Samuel?--Yoshi n1 12:02, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Suresh "Extra Bits" Coyote Sands footage on NBC site

I think it's pretty obvious that the Extra Bits footage with Chandra Suresh on the NBC site is about the birth of Samuel Sullivan on March 5, 1961, complete with seismic activity. Also, we should really add these clips in the listing of webisodes. This site has seemingly ignored these new webisodes. It also adds context to the fact that we now know that the footage that Mohinder found of his father at Coyote Sands ties into finding out about Samuel and probably his death. NileQT87 22:16, 4 November 2009 (EST)

  • Do you have a link to this? This is the first I have heard of it. Plus, holy crap, March 5th is my birthday! How sweet would it be to be born the same day as Samuel!--Ratclaws 22:24, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • There are 5 new Chandra webisodes up on the NBC site here: [1] NileQT87 22:29, 4 November 2009 (EST)
      • Interesting. I wouldn't call them webisodes, but they are definitely noteworthy. Sadly, they do not confirm that Samuel was born on March 5th. That is just the day he made one of the clips. There is no indication they are all on the same day.--Ratclaws 22:44, 4 November 2009 (EST)
        • It's definitely the same day from day to evening/night. The woman is giving birth through at least 2 of the webisodes and all but entry 1 show the seismic events as Samuel is born. The baby screams at the end of entry 21. It's one day. NileQT87 22:49, 4 November 2009 (EST)
          • Good point. I think an admin needs to decide if these are worth noting somewhere, or if they need a page of their own.--Ratclaws 23:02, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • Since they are called "extra bits", I'd guess that they are cut scenes from 1961 that didn't fit on the Season 3 DVD... so I'm not sure of their canonicity, but they should probably be noted under the Heroes Evolutions section of the Coyote Sands article. Ryan mentioned the videos at Talk:Coyote Sands films.

    On a side note, I agree that Samuel being born or present in Coyote Sands might be possible, and could be the reason why Mohinder is dead now... but it's just a theory for now. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:26, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't think they are deleated scenes from 1961. They most likely had not come up with the Samuel charactor yet, and that is clearly what these are about.--Ratclaws 23:30, 4 November 2009 (EST)
      • An internal document at NBC listed them as deleted scenes from 1961 with a question mark. There was another note on the document, but I don't have it in front of me to quote it. They look like they were filmed at the same time as 1961 (I don't think they re-hired Ravi Kapoor just for these "Extra Bits") but they are not deleted scenes that were ever meant for the DVD. I believe they were always meant to be put online to be exactly what they are--videos that were filmed in 1961, were lost, and are now resurfacing. As for where they should go, I think we should make an article about all the Coyote Sands films, including when Chandra and Mr. Lieberman filmed Angela and later filmed Alice. These five videos can also be included in that information under the Heroes Evolutions heading. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • That sounds like a better idea, then just add a see also link at the bottom of the Coyote Sands article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:35, 5 November 2009 (EST)
          • Unrelated, but it's possible they did re-hire Ravi Kapoor. Check the official description for Brother's Keeper. That'll be all. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:38, 5 November 2009 (EST)
            • I'm not physics genius, but among the formulas Chandra was scribbling, I recognized a power formula, and a momentum formula used in mechanical collision of objects. There was also a reconstitution index. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)
              • As a related note, when did geneticists become physicists?--Referos 17:05, 7 November 2009 (EST)
                • I believe "reductionism" causes them to know some physics. --mc_hammark 17:08, 7 November 2009 (EST)

I think we've learned how the world breaks in half in volume 3

Samuel would have been surrounded by people with abilities in the exposed future. He would have become more powerful and he could crack the world in half.Gamerelite1 21:14, 16 November 2009 (EST)

  • You may have a point. (Evil Maldini)--- November 17th 2009, 03:13 (GMT)
    • I think it's very likely, and would love to see this addressed in a future episode. Remember, Hiro did see the world explode so he might connect it later on.--OutbackZack 22:22, 16 November 2009 (EST)
    • Sounds very very likely to me. I shudder to think of how powerful Samuel would be in a world where almost everyone he meets enhances his own power. Swm 10:31, 17 November 2009 (EST)
      • How do you know there wasn't someone more powerful than Samuel in the future? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • There is no point in speculating about potential future characters when we see an already demonstrated ability. That's like if we see a flash forward of someone getting their forhead slashed, "How do we know someone else with telekinesis isn't in the future?" You could go on and on like that. As far as Samuel destroying Earth, someone brought up the idea that in the exposed future, almost everyone would be a special and thus his ability would get out of control. I like that idea, it'd different than my 'Ando confronts Samuel and accidentally supercharges his ability.' But maybe that's because I wish Ando got some more screen time! -Barbedknives (talk)10:55, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Different from Terrakinesis?

While the effects of his power are all, indeed, Terrakinetic, it is revealed that his power increases exponentially with proximity to other evolved humans. This is shown to be a facet of the ability itself. Shouldn't his power be listed as separate from the existing Terrakinesis? Not that any particularly catchy names come to mind... "Terrakinesis by Proximity to Evolved Humans". Heh. --EkimCF 15:28, 17 November 2009 (EST)

  • Not that I'm just talking to myself, but had another thought. It could be that his power is channeling the force between evolved humans. You know, that force that Chandra describes as like magnetism... or gravity. But then that doesn't explain his control over ink. --EkimCF 15:35, 17 November 2009 (EST)
    • The ink he manipulated was mineral-based, that's why he was able to control it with terrakinesis.--PJDEP 15:44, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  • "Enhanced Terrakinesis" sounds okay, but we probably need more information in order to change. It sounds like he's going to end up insanely powerful however, if he could create earthquakes in utero, imagine what he'll be able to do as an adult.....--PJDEP 17:19, 6 December 2009 (EST)

Does he retain his added power?

Does he need to remain in the presence of evolved humans to magnify his power or does he retain whatever power he gained after he moves away from them? It would be somewhat useless if he needs to stay near them, if the carnies grew worried of his increasing power they could just walk away from him.....--PJDEP 15:48, 17 November 2009 (EST)

  • Chandra said that the force only increases when evolved humans are close to each other, I don't think that Samuel would retain his power boost if others left. And the carnies don't know about this, they don't know that being away from Samuel makes him weaker. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:05, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Multiplied power

I was confused about this a bit. Was Chandra saying this only applied to Samuel (or the baby at Coyote Sands)? It seemed like he was making a more general statement about evolved humans causing some sort of anomaly when in close contact with each other, but that pretty much contradicts 3 seasons worth of observations. Did I miss something where he said this phenomenon was specific to Samuel (I know the episode pretty much implied it from then on out, but I am referring to Chandra's specific words on the film). --Stevehim 08:57, 20 November 2009 (EST)

  • The force emanates from and between all evolved humans, but Samuel's power is the only one that becomes stronger with more of that force around him. --EkimCF 10:44, 20 November 2009 (EST)
  • What observations does this contradict? We've never observed this many evolved humans getting together in one place before. I'm not sure why (or if) the multiplication force affects other evolved humans...but it certainly seems to be affecting Samuel. I think deep down, he knows it, which is why he's so heavily recruiting people to the carnival. The film is just the confirmation of those theories he has. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2009 (EST)
    • We've never seen as many as are the Carnival (possibly...Coyote Snads may have had as many), but, iirc, Chandra claimed that it occurs anytime 2 or several (I can't recall which) are together, and we've seen that hundreds of times over the years, even for VERY extended periods of time. As such, it is either retconning or direct evidence that this "force" does not affect all evolved humans. My guess would be that it only affects Samuel, likely because he was born in an environment with so many in such close proximity. Even that, however, could have problems, as we have others born (and living) in proximity of at least 2 EHs (eg - Peter, Micah, etc) --Stevehim 06:44, 23 November 2009 (EST)
  • I think this may help explain the 3 seasons as opposed to contradicting anything. Chandra described the force as being like gravity or magnetism, this could explain how come the paths of evolved humans keep crossing so much, I think it said in season 1 that they were all connected somehow or something like that, perhaps this force is what connects them? Samual not only would emit the force himself but when the force surrounding him increases so does his power. Why it does for him and not others isn't explained but these abilities are mutations and maybe Samual was born with another mutation which allows him to tap into the force much like how Knox became stronger with fear around him. The Light6 07:53, 23 November 2009 (EST)
  • I think it's been made pretty clear that the way in which Samuel's power increases is an attribute of his ability, rather than a secondary effect acting upon his ability. It's like how Knox's super strength was stronger with more fear to 'breathe in', Samuel's terrakinesis is stronger with more of 'the force' around him. --EkimCF 14:06, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • Finally caught up to the current episode, and it does seem that Chandra said "any two," which begs the question why many of our current heroes' powers aren't amplified (or are they)? On a side note, good point Light6. I think that may very well be the case. --Stevehim 20:07, 2 December 2009 (EST)

foreshadow about Samuel's amplified power

Sparrow said she had to be on the ground to use her power, then as she was falling from the plane(which had many evolved humans on it) she used it in the air. Meesa yoda 16:50, 22 November 2009 (EST)

  • Or the Adrenaline rush caused by falling from a plane kicked in. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 14:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • Sparrow also said that she can't call forth the earth under the road that's why she was caught (she was alone that time), but when they helped Claude she control the earth and make a crack from the ground (there was Abigail, Claude and West with her). --Darkfiremaster13 05:22, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Samuel Manifested This Power...

...before he was born, right? I mean, seismic tremors were coming out of his mother hours before his birth. Technically this would mean that he is the youngest person to ever demonstrate an ability, wouldn't it? Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 14:56, 23 November 2009 (EST)

    • I guess so, I believe he's the only person to have manifested in the womb. --Leckie -- Talk 15:17, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • Should we note this? Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 18:30, 23 November 2009 (EST)
        • Yes, but we should also note that he didn't know that. In Ink, he told Lydia a bit about his childhood, he said he lived a life of combed hair and prim shoes, and then he discovered he could control the earth. As far as Samuel is concerned, he think he manifested as a child. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:35, 23 November 2009 (EST)
          • True. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 18:53, 23 November 2009 (EST)
            • Ok I know I'm a pain in the ass, but if Peter gets ruined by Draph, no reason Samuel shouldn't. Draph used empathic absorption or whatever that was to take his brother's ability (which implies both fetus had their abilities manifested). Ah ah... In my opinion, the "baby charged with electromagnetism" and "terrakinesis" are two distinct things. I think the terrakinesis manifested when he was young, but that his body was just "made" this way, absorbing the magnitude of other specials. I think it's kinda like Sylar, he had intuitive aptitude, his actual ability that manifested while fixing watches, and a DNA that allowed him to take powers from others.--Kleith 19:04, 23 November 2009 (EST)
              • I believe this Samuel thing was planned out long before Draph's creator even made him. Nothing related to Draph affected him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:12, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                • And Peter was meant to be the only one with ability replication, and you know, Peter got that power before they even thought of Samuel so I think it was kinda planned out long before too. So we have two ability replications and two fetus using abilities. Thanks Draph. ;D --Kleith 19:20, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                  • All this sstuff about Draph is really getting on my nerves. How many other fan creations could appear in the istory in future, I'm not even happy with the istory characters sometimes because some are just too far out there or pretty much copy a main character from the shows ability for filler. I seriously think fan created istory characters should nto be included in the main article of a power, such as Peter's power replication. Rather I suggest that it is placed in trivia for that ability which links to the character. That way its still there and stops the pages getting screwed up and doesn't confuse those who simply want to know about characters or abilitities on show. I know if I hadn't watched Heroes before and I saw the ability replication page and clicked on Draphs link I would never consider watching it >:( --Fr0z3nB0nes 18:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)
                    • I'm sorry you feel that way about fan-created iStory characters. If it bothers you that much, I suggest you don't read the iStory, because the crossovers from Heroes: Survival will continue. In fact, that was one of the main reasons HSG was created in the first place. But nothing is screwed up, as far as I can tell. We use the information from the canon and near-canon sources in the body of the page, and we supplement with information from HSG. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • While it is pretty obvious that the "baby" at Coyote Sands at the time of the tremors was Samuel, was that ever stated or confirmed? If not, we can't really record it until it is (haven't seen Thanksgiving yet). --Stevehim 22:24, 23 November 2009 (EST)
            • The container with the film in it has Samuel's name on it. I say that's pretty much confirming it. --OutbackZack 19:58, 24 November 2009 (EST)

What type of Carnie?

What does he do at the carnival. Edgar is the knife thrower. Lydia is Edgar's target girl. Has it been clarified what Samuel does? Is it a tattooist, since he has the ink, and a small stand?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:04, 25 November 2009 (EST)

  • He's essentially the ringmaster, or the emcee.--Riddler 19:16, 25 November 2009 (EST)
    • He's the barker, he's the person standing outside the carnival getting people to come in. Basically the same as emcee and ringmaster as the riddler said. - Jenx222 | U / T / C 19:43, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Murder of Joseph

Samuel killed his brother intentionally, not accidentally. He just felt a bit regretful after that. But his regret was not even much. He didn't want help from Hiro to prevent Joseph's death. Samuel hates Joseph.

  • He wished to incapacitate or otherwise harm him, but it would appear he had no intention of killing him outright. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:13, 25 November 2009 (EST)
    • It's debatable either way. What's not debatable is that Samuel was given a chance to change the past and save Joseph's life, but didn't take it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2009 (EST)
  • He came with the intention to harm him, because he pretty much hated him. But when Joseph made him angry, he snapped and killed him. Then he regreted killing him, not harming him in general.--Boycool42 13:45, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Noah's files

So now samuel has noah's files, he'll have access to details on many evolved humans and will gather them. Only thing is, a lot of the people in Noah's files are dead. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head, but can anyone remember any evolved human to do with primatech who isn't dead? Oh, just remembered Claude and René, but other than that, nothing... --mc_hammark 12:02, 2 December 2009 (EST)

  • There's always the ones they bagged and tagged. So I'm sure there's plenty out there that are running around that the company kept files on like Jeremy. Great advice to allow them to tie in new characters without it being too random. --OutbackZack 12:05, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • The only people I remember to be in Noah's files were Level 5 guys, most if not all are dead, and West. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:43, 2 December 2009 (EST)
      • Howard Grigsby's not dead, right? Doyle's already at the Carnival, and lord knows what happened to Baron Samedi after Rene neutralised him in Haiti. Though we do know West is still active as he was part of Micah's team in Volume 4. Swm 17:40, 2 December 2009 (EST)
        • West took his file on season two right? --Darkfiremaster13 23:54, 2 December 2009 (EST)
          • Correct- Claire gave it to him. Hence that rules him out as well. Swm 11:12, 3 December 2009 (EST)
            • My theory seems to be correct with the recent introduction of Ian --OutbackZack 00:31, 8 January 2010 (EST)
              • Yeah you're right, and once Emma goes to the carnival Samuel can get anyone that the company have bagged and tagged. --Darkfiremaster13 06:18, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Mysterious Qoute

Samuel said in the season's trailer "They will accept us or they will fear us" And in fact we are at the 14th episode and he didn't say it Why is that ??? User:Sylar2105 05:44, 8 Junuary 2010 (EST)