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List

The notes on Nathan's page say that Peter is not on the list. This is incorrect isn't it?--E rowe 16:50, 30 January 2007 (EST)

  • It is now. Peter's name has never been seen on the list, but Mohinder said he was on it last night.--Hardvice (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Claire coincidence?

I find it MIGHTY interesting that Nate's daughter (Claire Bennet) supposedly died in a fire 14 years before in Texas, and then Nate saves somebody's else's daughter from burning in the graphic novel in New York City. There are no coincidences in this show. You'd think Nate would have felt guilty about not being able to save Claire or something, and wanted to kind of atone for that. Or maybe he tried and failed to save her...or thought he had...

...Or maybe he caused the fire in an attempt to hide the fact that he had an illegitimate daughter. Or perhaps he doesn't know squat about the fire. Now I don't really think those ideas are true, but there's still a lot of speculation regarding a very interesting past incident about which we have yet to learn a lot... And he certainly has a long list of things about which he should be feeling guilty, imho. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2007 (EST)
I'd have to concur that it is a curious coincidence that the graphic novel revealed Nathan quietly using his flight ability to save people from a fire about the same time he saved Peter from falling, early in the first season. However, since we don't know if all of the graphic novels are being treated canonically by the television writing staff, we have no choice but to assume it was a coincidence. Surely Claire's mother didn't cause the fire in New York as she's been in Kermit the past two months. Thematically however, it is clear that we the audience are to envision Nathan repeatedly in the eye of a firestorm. -- ZachsMind 17:07, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Clarification

* Nathan's ability was given to him through genetic manipulation.

Where's the proof of that?? I seem to remember something that implied that from the trailer for next week's episode. If so, then surely the statement (a spoiler) should be removed from this page? --Conspiracy Unit 23:33, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Angela Petrelli confirmed they experimented on Nathan to give him his ability in "Angels and Monsters".--Denali 14:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • So then could we say Nathan is an artificial evolved human?--Sylarversion2 21:42, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Somebody will Die

I really think Nathan will be the somebody to die. I think he'll be killed by Jessica. I also think that Peter will get Jessica's power, and he'll see Nathan in mirrors and be able to talk to him after death. --Xmuskrat 09:21, 14 February 2007 (EST)

  • See, I think it's actually "Someone flies, someone dyes", meaning Simone will "fly" when she takes up Isaac's drug habit, and will get so high she'll dye her hair purple. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
    • Hehe. Perhaps Syler Kills Nathan. Nathan Dies, and then immediately, Syler flies. --Xmuskrat 09:31, 14 February 2007 (EST)
    • That's just silly, Ryan. You know Simone isn't allowed to appear in an episode for more than 30 seconds!--Hardvice (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2007 (EST)
      • Yes, I know, but I read a spoiler that they're going to break tradition and have an entirely Simone-centric episode. Granted, most of it is just her brushing her hair and wearing black & white with red accents ... :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  • I heard a rumor that, now that Natalie has won every possible Grammy under the sun, Adrian's going to retire and be a kept man.--Hardvice (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Military

Could someone remind me why Nathan apears in the Military cat ? Thanks a lot. --FrenchFlo(talk)(contribs) 16:31, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

  • It was mentioned that he had served in the Military in one of his campaigns, see notes . -Lөvөl 16:38, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
    • His campaign video was also included as an Easter Egg on Trial By Fire. Watch it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Ok, I'm pretty sure the video didn't say he fought in Bosnia, Serbia, and Rwanda. Heroe(talk) 20:24, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
        • You're right--it says "served his country" in those places. I'll fix it up now. — RyanGibsonStewart ([[User

talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 20:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

couldn't it mean he served as a diplomat? since no US troops ever served in Rwanda JD 20:48, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Well, this is a piece a fiction, remember? Heroe(talk) 20:49, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
Yes, but that a bit pedantic since theres been no other evidence that its not set in our reality and timeline, in which case maybe Britain fought in Vietnam which makes the war buddies theories about Linderman pausible, so unless you are saying its an alternative history piece of fiction, its either a goof, or its misintepretation of the Ad. JD 22:28, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
  • It says "soldier" on the screen. I think being in the army is a pretty fair assumption to make. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:06, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
    • It also says "Fighter" "Leader" and "Visionary" couldn't it be used in the sense of police officers being soldiers in the war on crime.JD 22:28, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Yes, of course, he could be a soldier of love, too. :) However, I think the video makes it quite clear that Nathan was in the armed forces. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
        • I think he's a soldier in the sense of the Destiny's Child song ... cause he's so skreet, yo.--Hardvice (talk) 00:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
          • well Petrelli is an Italian name maybe they could do a cross over with the sopranos. but on a more serious note, given that only a small US force was deployed in Bosnia, that no US military forces were ever active in Rwanda, not after somalia, and that Serbia which happen a good 5 years after Bosnia only the USN and USAF took part, no ground forces, so he'd have to been a pilot, which i guess makes sense with his ability. Does the US humanitarian alternative to combat service count the same as military service? or police deployments with the UN? JD 10:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

District Attourney?

I don't recall where he is mentioned as the district attorney, but as a prosecutor for the district attorney. Correct me please.--Bob 22:30, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

  • He's not the district attorney, but he's probably a district attorney--most likely an assistant district attorney, which is the title of prosecutors under the DA in DANY.--Hardvice (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
    • On the other hand, his campaign ad (both the online version and the version aired in Genesis) does say "as district attorney"...--Hardvice (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
      • ...and we all know how truthful campaign ads can be--especially fake ones found in Easter Eggs on graphic novels. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:40, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I think this is funny (or on purpose-you decide) Adrian Pasdar appeared in Top Gun as a Navy pilot. Wouldn't you know, 20 years later, his character Nathan Petrelli turns up having been a Navy pilot. Hmm... -- User:Koshakrl

Soldier in US military = US Army

Soldier, in terms of the United States Armed Forces, refers to the US Army. The terminology for personnel in the four branches of the Department of Defense:

  • Army - Soldier
  • Navy - Sailor
  • Air Force - Airman
  • Marine Corps - Marine

If you called a Marine a soldier, they'd more than likely make you regret that mistake.--Bob 06:26, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Don't make me start with the Jarhead jokes :P --Mish(Talk) 16:51, 15 November 2007 (EST)
    • I was an air force brat. It's amazing how deeply ingrained all of the inter-service prejudices are (Marines are brainwashed cannon fodder, sailors are cowards, soldiers weren't smart enough for the Air Force, air cops failed to qualify for anything else, etc.) It's all a bit silly, but those really are still my first impressions, and I have to fight them down. Youth indoctrination FTW.--Hardvice (talk) 17:01, 15 November 2007 (EST)
    • But, didn't Nathan's political campaign ad appear on screen? Yeah, in the pilot in Issac's apartment.[User:Nonredhead] 15 June 2008(EST)

Another possible superpower

It is possible that Nathan Petrelli has another superpower we don't know of. In "How to Stop an Exploding Man" Nathan flew in from some distance answering a question asked just moments before by Claire. This could be either super hearing or the ability to read his brother Peter's mind.

  • Or it could just be a dramatic entrance. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:52, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • The whole concept of a flying dude has always baffled me, so I kinda think his power is more something like 'aerokinesis', like he can control air and the voices were somehow carried on the wind? Eh, whatever, it was a cool moment.--Leshia 23:04, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I think it was just there for the dramatic effect.--Ice Vision 23:42, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Age

I'm not understanding why this was removed from this page. The letter Dallas received was not talking about Peter (who is only 26, which means he was born in 1979 or 1980, well after the Vietnam War). Sure, I suppose Mr. Petrelli could have had another son we don't know about and who has never been mentioned in the world of Heroes, but I think we need to assume that this letter was talking about Nathan. The note that was removed, granted, speculates on the age a child walks, and I agree that probably doesn't need to be there--but it is qualified by stating that Nathan's exact age is unknown. I don't think there's any harm in giving an age that is approximated, so long as the reasoning is stated and it says somewhere that the exact age is not known. The reasoning, however, that the comic is not an actual reflection of the TV series does not make sense to me. This wiki is not a reference for the television series, but for the world of Heroes, which includes the graphic novel. Now, I understand canon and all--if in Lizards Angela says, "Nathan, you should act your age! 35-year-old men should not be flying around New York!", then we have a case of episodic evidence trumping GN evidence. But the information from Dallas's letter is not even in the main article space or the infobox, it's in the notes, which seems fine to me. Am I missing something? Oh. Never mind. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

  • :-D --Bob 20:57, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Survival

I really have to ask, how did Nathan survive the blast? Dean Harper 22:30, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

He survived by Adam's blood. Flootures

Congressman

"... and he lost his job and Congressman status."

  • Is there a concrete reference for this? I admit, he does not look congressional in Four Months Later and Lizards, but, having re-watched tonight, I do not recall an in-show statement about to him losing his job or his congressional seat. I assume he has, but plenty of congressmen drink too much and yell at their mothers. -- FissionChips 23:02, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
    • There's a message on votepetrelli.com about him resigning (from his Senate seat, oddly enough, but then the Heroes 360 stuff is frequently wrong), but I don't recall any mention of him resigning or giving up his job from a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 23:05, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Nathan was used by the villain

Personally, I think Nathan "killed" Kaito by being the one who pushed him over. The line of someone doing it and flying away is too much of a red flag. The thing is, I think the villain had control of Nathan's mind, where the villain's power is some sort of mental manipulation, where he can enter people's minds and subvert their will, kind of like Eden's from Season One. I think he was controlling Nathan, possessing him if you will, when he killed Kaito. That would explain why Angela was clawing at herself, and showing she was completely alone in the room.

Interestiung note from one of the Behind the Eclipses

Oh, and also - if West and Nathan had a race around the world, who would win?"

Nathan. He has the age and experience to fly rings around this newbie, literally.

West said that he was caught by "a man with horn-rimmed glasses" a few years earlier. You'd think he have used his powers more often since then.

Nathan first exhibited his flying powers 6 months (well, now 10 months) ago. If he had had the knowledge of the power any earlier, I doubt he would have been so shocked.... AND be further shocked by the events of Peter's jump from the building.

One would think West would have more experience, eh?--Riddler 14:05, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

  • That is interesting, yeah plus Nathan basically rejected his power. On the other hand West hasn't broke the speed of sound or anything. This could be taken to mean that he is not yet that experienced or his power hasn't manifested that far yet, similiar to Matt's, or it could mean that West chooses not to break the sound barrier because he has more control than Nathan. I gotta say West's landings look smoother, not as smooth as his moves on Claire though, not. --SomeoneImportant 15:39, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Nathan's Regeneration

I put an extra snipet in the powers section, about his regeneration; and whether or not he would retain this ability, now that he has Adam's blood within himself is yet unknown. Do you guys think that is sufficiently worded for now, until we find out later if he has any lasting effects? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/13/2007 10:23 (EST)

No, I doubt it. If Munroe's blood is anything like Wolverine's, then no. In Wolverine's case, his blood is what carries his healing power. Therefore, injecting someone with Adam's blood would have temporary accelerated healing, but eventually, the special blood cells will die, and like all red blood cells, they need to be constantly replenished. Therefore, Nathan may have advanced healing for a short time, but Adam's blood wouldn't alter his genetics.--Flyingman_petrelli (talk)

  • I agree. I doubt that the writers would give Nathan another power.--Ice Vision 21:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Didn't he punch a mirror in one the episodes this season and was bleeding?--Matt 2108 06:54, 15 November 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, you could see his bandaged hand when he picked up the Bob's death threat.--Ice Vision 15:17, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Speech from Powerless

Someone needs to put Nate's speach in his Quote section!Nick Petrelli 23:44, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Good afternoon. Most of you have no idea who I am. My name is Nathan Petrelli, and I was elected to congress in the State of New York- seems like a long time ago. I lost my position. I lost my brother. I lost my family. I'm sad to say that I lost my way.

But while I was gone, I had the chance to see the world through newly humbled eyes, witnessed amazing things. I've seen ordinary people among us, trying their best each day to be heroes. These ordinary people, like you, like me, are capable of extraordinary things. You have no idea... how extraordinary.

But there are other people, organizations, who don't want you to know the truth. I, myself, kept secrets. But last year... Something incredible happened to me, and it changed my life. At first, I was afraid. But I'm- I'm not afraid anymore. I'm here to tell you the truth: I have the abil *POW POW*

05:37, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Nathan's Death is unCanon Speculation

Look guys, saying Nathan is dead, is just unCanon speculation. Following being shot, there were no follow-up scenes that confirmed he was actually dead, and not just severely wounded. This should be handled no differently than the finale of season 1 when both D.L. and Parkman were shot. We didn't go off and start assuming they were dead then, because the episode didn't confirm it. Powerless didn't confirm Nathan was dead yet either. The '2-count' of who will die, could just as easily be referring to Maya and Niki; albeit Maya didn't stay dead. Niki's death was pretty unquestionable, because of her lack of powers and no powered people to help her, and the explosion. However, Nathan was shot in the chest, and could very possibly only be critically wounded. To assume otherwise, is to handle his gunshot in the finale differently and more speculatively than Parkman and DL were handled in last season's finale. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/4/2007 08:21 (EST)

  • Also, the trailer says that two Heroes will fall, which doesn't unnecessarily mean death. There is also precedent for NBC lying in their trailers by saying "You will get to find out what is in the box" and then have Peter decide he doesn't want to see what's in the box. --rhudgins32 14:32, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • Exactly, plus this episode was intended as a cliffhanger, death is not a cliffhanger, possible death is. --SomeoneImportant 14:28, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • I'd have to rewatch the bit with Angela to see what's said on the TV, but you're correct: neither Niki's nor Nathan's death is confirmed. People are jumping the ... ah ... jumping the gun.--Hardvice (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • It seems to me that we're just unwilling to let Nathan and/or Niki go.--Ice Vision 21:38, 4 December 2007 (EST)
    • ...well, Nathan at least. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2007 (EST)
      • Yeah, even I'm reluctant to admit he's dead...--Ice Vision 22:31, 4 December 2007 (EST)
        • Ooooo the trouble with killing characters, it will never please people. If look at the comments for Beeman's blog for this week, it is mostly very negative stuff. Granted Nathan was a popular character (heck I liked him), there are many paths that could unfold on this. (Latest rumors indicate that writers are 50/50 for him). If he doesn't die, good; if he however survives with help from some super-blood, not so-good. The blood was a poor thing to implement in the first place, it leads to "O he can't be dead, they can just revive him!" sort of talk. Is death that cheap? If he does die, well then im sure a lot of people will not be happy, (inc me), but it opens up storylines for Peter which could then open up storylines for people associated with him (Matt, Elle etc.) . Still people will always be complaining about something and you will never please everybody. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 08:43, 5 December 2007 (EST)
          • If Nathan does die and his death actually serves a purpose in the story then I will accept it (though Nathan is my favorite character). I just think we've lost a lot of characters on the show and their deaths haven't meant a lot. I just don't want to lose a strong character just to have a big finale type moment. Make Nathan's survival or death count for something and I will be ok with that. --Jebriggs98 10:08, 5 December 2007 (EST)
            • Pff, blame the Writers Guild of America for his death. I don't think Kring originally intended from him to die. And I feel compelled to argue that he is alive because I was starting to love his character, his savvy sarcasm and clean-shaven pride.--Dragon1604 11:46, 5 December 2007 (EST)
      • Back to the issue at hand -- when is someone dead for purposes of this Wiki? In the past, we've waited until their death has been "confirmed" in the show (D.L. after season one, Simone after Unexpected). Neither Niki's nor Nathan's death is confirmed in that way, so neither should be marked as deceased. Are both of them probably dead? You bethca. Is either of their deaths confirmed? Nope.--Hardvice (talk) 14:05, 5 December 2007 (EST)

He could get injected with blood again. No problem. Flootures

Nathan Flying vs West Flying

  • Has anybody else noticed how, while Nathan always seems to fly at supersonic speeds, West has NEVER been shown flying particularly fast... This leads me to believe that West has Levitation, rather than self-proppelled flight... Opinions??? Rikku4president
    • West definitely flies. But Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski touched on this in a Q&A session: When asked who would win in a race around the world, they said Nathan "has the age and experience to fly rings around this newbie—literally." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:16, 23 February 2008 (EST)
  • Levitation already exists in another form. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 19:16, 23 February 2008 (EST)
    • Its been stated that west's ability is more of a "peter pan" style flight, rather than nathans super sonic style --(. .') 15:34, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Relation to Sylar

I removed the mention that Sylar is Nathan's younger brother as this fact is still debatable.

  • Should he be called "Sylar" or "Gabriel" in the boxes? Virginia Gray's box says "Gabriel", presumably because it's his "birth" name, as does Claire's. However, both Nathan and Peter's say "Sylar" --Matchu 21:39, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Presumably, because he's more well known, it should be 'Sylar', with references to his real name where needed.
      • I'd say "Claire" is a well known character too. --Matchu 11:48, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Any theories to how Nathan healed from the gunshot wound?

Well, I now know it was never Linderman. So how did Nathan heal? Do you think Future Peter has that ability? I'm totally stuck on possibilities... DismantleRepair 04:39, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Peter said that when they examined Nathan, the doctors said it was almost as though the injuries had already healed themselves. I believe that when Adam gave Nathan some of his blood (Four Months Ago...), the healing blood remained withing Nathan. I'm not positive of this, but that's my best guess. :) The ramifications of this are pretty silly, though--that would basically mean that Nathan can heal from any injuries. But hey, it wouldn't be the first time he was artificially given an ability! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I'm pretty sure he was healed. From what we've seen in Villains, Peter was in very close proximity to Linderman, so he could have absorbed the ability from him. If not, he probably absorbed it sometime in the gap between the present-day and the exposed future. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:45, 10 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree with that: I think Peter may have even done it by accident too: he was gonna lose his brother (even though he was the one responsible for it) and it caused him to activate his copy of Linderman's power. He may not even have realized what he did, but I wish they'd make it clear in an interview if nothing else.--WarGrowlmon18 17:20, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Birth&Age

Where did those come from? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:48, 21 December 2008 (EST)

  • Dunno. Maybe the day that Arthur read the letter from Angela about Nathan's first steps? That was November 8, 1968. That would have made Nathan 6 days old when Arthur read the letter, and would have made him 37 in the current timeline. Doesn't make sense. See User talk:MatiasLilloV#Nathan's age. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2008 (EST)
    • I think Nathan is at least 40, in Orientation Angela says something to him about having a new look on life when you were 40 and something about him reaching that stage. To me this says that he is (or would have been) 40. Anyone else? --mc_hammark 13:14, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • The War Buddies comics also make it very clear that Nathan took his first baby steps while Arthur was in Vietnam. In fact, the 1967 date comes from there. He was without a doubt born in 1967. That's also where the toy airplane being Nathan's favorite toy as a child came from as well.NileQT87 23:52, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Nathan - Deceased or Alive?

After what happened in the season finale, how are we going to handle Nathan and Sylar? This was really left of field and strange. Thoughts? -Barbedknives 22:04, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 nathan dead slyar alive, pretty simple, the clock at the end gave us our answer if we didnt already know
  • Maybe we can make a new page for Sylar/Nathan and list this Nathan as deceased? Make a note on the Sylar page or something. --Crazyaspie 22:36, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Nathan's dead. Sylar's still alive. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:39, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
      • It's convenient to ignore Suresh's monologue at the end, isn't it? -Barbedknives 22:40, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
        • No need for that sass. Quite obviously, Nathan is physically dead. Sylar is physically alive. Despite their identities being one and the same at the moment, Nathan is still Nathan and Sylar is still, physically, Sylar. We list Nathan as dead and Sylar as alive. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:43, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
          • SYLATHAN PAGE GO! Do it. -Barbedknives 22:45, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
IceGhost78 instead of ignoring thrash and insulting him, try listening to him
I am listening to him, but I just think he's getting trapped in the mindset of a non Heroes universe in using that rationale in this case. Normally we would use biological functions as proof of death, because transferring minds does not exist in our world. But in this case a person's character was truly ressurected in a new biological body. If Adrian Pasdar is going to continue portraying a character on the show that looks exactly like Nathan Petrelli, has memories of Nathan Petrelli, and a tinge of Sylar, it is going to be confusing to many people to list the character of Nathan as dead and Sylar as alive. Just my thoughts. - Barbedknives 22:54, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Nathan's mind wasn't transferred. Sylar was made to believe he was Nathan, just like the guard was made to believe Matt was Special Ops. --Crazyaspie 22:59, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
                • This was an excellent episode, but from a logistics standpoint it was quite possibly the worst episode ever conceived. Arguing personal experiences, existence, and time travel is really baffling and counter-productive. Now my head hurts like Hiro. -Barbedknives 23:02, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
I came here to also suggest something along the lines of the seemingly joke "Sylathan" page, but with more backing. Niki and her alter-ego, Jessica, have separate pages. Perhaps a new character page could be best to describe it, something like "Nathan (Sylar)", true the body is Sylar and has characteristics of Sylar but for all we know he might be Nathan for good (or at least Volume 5) which if he never goes back makes the situation more confusing then if it was temporary. Also on a simple wild guess the Redemption arc could be Nathan/Sylar finding out the truth but because he has Nathan's mind (or at least his memories) instead of becoming Sylar again he tries to affirm himself as Nathan and seek redemption for Sylar's crimes so that he can live with what he is. The Light6 14:01, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Why is Nathan dead?

Why couldn't they use Claire's blood - or for that matter Sylar's - to heal him? Noah was brought back from the dead with an IV drip of healing blood, why couldn't they do the same to Nathan? I dare say being shot in the eye is a lot worse than having your neck slit open. --MattCruikshank 23:55, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm sure they have Nathan's body in a freezer somewhere, and they'll introduce the true Nathan back with some miracle claire blood, there's a lot of space to fill in volume 5. --Piemanmoo 01:45, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Actually I have a theory about this. If you play back the conversation between Noah, Angela, and Matt. You'll notice that Noah starts off with, "It has to be right now. I don't know how much time I bought sending Peter and Claire after Nathan" Isn't it odd that they are sending off Peter and Claire after Nathan when he is dead next to them? I think they are replacing Nathan with Sylar on purpose. However, I don't think Matt knows they can revive Nathan. Also that discomforting face Angela made before talking to Matt me believe she was in on it too, to convince Matt that Nathan can't be saved any other way.--Lord0din69 02:30, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I think they sent Peter and Claire on a wild goose chase because they knew that neither of them would have let Matt go through with brainwashing Sylar into being Nathan. Clay wise 15:34, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I understand the argument that "If they use Claire's blood on Nathan, then they could just rez ANYONE who dies." The problem is, they already opened that can of worms with HRG and Maya. By not sticking to that obvious choice here, it looks even dumber. They could have at least tried it and had it fail on a technicality. I hope his body was preserved; I liked Nathan a lot. I enjoyed most of the finale, but this really bothered me. GabrielPetrelli 11:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • What I meant was since they didn't pick the obvious choice in attempting to revive Nathan. I think they, as in Angela and Noah, have bigger plans in using Sylar as their puppet.--Lord0din69 13:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Uhhhh,you guys might wanna check this in case you haven't read it(bottom of page).--ZeroTime 00:48, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Memories

Do we really need a note in Nathan's death date that his memories were implanted in Sylar's mind? -- Altes 02:38, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

  • HELL NO! Nathan died and in 5 minutes his brain died permanently. I agree that Claire can resurrect him fully. Sylar already had Nathan's history from his possessions! I have no doubt Sylar touched Nathan in their battle and got ALL his history/memories. The problem is that Sylar had his mother's personality inside him, so even if Matt erased Sylar, a part of him was still there. I vote you change the memory transfer. - Discipol
    • I mean, the note is totally unnecessary. No such thing was about Hana and Drucker, as far as I remember... Their bodies died, their minds survived. Yet this wasn't mentioned in their infoboxes. -- Altes 06:44, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Matt never transferred any memories, all he did was delete all of Sylar's memories and made Sylar think he was Nathan. Sylar already had a lot of Nathan's memories thanks to one of his powers and will fill in any memory gaps with it. --Master Dave 12:45, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Well my question is this, Sylar never stole Nathan's power, so can sylar fly? Also i think we can just edit the info later, for example Tracey Strauss who we thought was long dead is actually alive and in control of all water now. To be honest i really don't know where they're gonna go with this now. If Sylar retains his memories (notices a clock is 1 min off) will he just go on a revenge rampage and kill everyone? Also i dont understand why they dont just revive him now with claires blood...then again why didnt they do that with Nikki or any of the others. -Naoki
          • I think just like Peter was able to regain his memories using regeneration and concentration, and Linderman was able to heal Angela's mind from telepathic alteration, if "Nathan" figures out who he really is, he might heal his own mind and become Sylar again. That would be bad... Clay wise 15:20, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Where to put it?

When Sylar appears as Nathan in future episodes, will it go under Nathan or Sylar?

  • Nathan is dead , I'd say Sylar. We have no idea how long Sylar will stay as Nathan. If things get too long we could create another page like: Sylar (as Nathan Petrelli) or something like that... --Master Dave 07:23, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
    • If we have something like Niki/Jessica, I say we should create a page like 'Fake Nathan' or 'Sylar Nathan'... -- Altes 11:14, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I've created a basic page for Sylar as Nathan, you can check it out here User:Barbedknives/Nathan(Sylar) and tell me what you think. -Barbedknives (talk)16:40, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Umm, I thought Nathan was left-handed

He punched Niki with his left hand, and in Four Months Ago he pointed at the door, telling Angela to get out from Peter's apartments with the same hand too... Or is he ambidextrous after all? -- Altes 08:55, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

  • He's ambidextrous. When sylar says "bat with my left, catch with my right", it sounds likes he's pulling out some trivia facts he knows about nathan.
    • No, he's not ambidextrous. Nathan is right-handed, and Sylar is left-handed. In An Invisible Thread, Sylar was impersonating Nathan. But he was almost caught when he was signing something with his left hand instead of his right. Saying he was ambidextrous was Sylar's lie to cover his mistake. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:01, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Are you sure? It was Claire who asked him if he was right-handed, because she saw Nathan using his right hand (Into Asylum). But considering the facts I mentioned, that doesn't mean Nathan could not be ambidextrous. -- Altes 03:13, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Kelly

There's a good indication they were dating: the way they were acting for one and Peter mentioning she broke Nathan's heart for another. Oh and I think her mother mentioned something about Nathan and her seeing each other (as in dating) during her first conversation with him.--WarGrowlmon18 18:20, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Uncle Tim

Angela having a sister means Tim is Arthur's brother or did he just call Tim "uncle" because he was close to the family? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:22, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm convinced that it would have to be Arthur's brother, since Angela was orphaned at Coyote Sands, and as far as she knew, nobody from her family survived except for her. Angela didn't even tell Nathan and Peter about having a sister at all. It has to be Arthur's brother, if it is a related uncle. Which means that Tim's name is Timothy Petrelli and he's a paternal uncle. There's no way that he can be a Shaw. Does everyone agree? NileQT87 20:54, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually, on the other hand, Tim could have been Arthur's brother-in-law, meaning the man who married Arthur's sister. Therefore, he would still be Arthur's brother, but his last name wouldn't be Petrelli. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:42, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Relationship with Kelly

Besides the way they were acting with each other, Peter said she broke Nathan's heart and Millie said something about them seeing each other. PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--WarGrowlmon18 21:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • There's no need to be rude. Yes, she broke Nathan's heart. But that doesn't mean they were significant others or ever had a relationship. All that means is that Nathan liked her and he believed she ran away. That does not mean they were dating. Millie said that they were seeing each other. When I grew up (which is also around the time that Nathan was growing up), if a mother said to me, "I knew you and Kelly had been ... seeing each other", that would not necessarily mean that we were dating or that we were significant others. But maybe that's just me... Still, no need to be rude. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I would normally expect the term "seeing each other" to refer to a relationship of sorts. However, all we more or less saw was the two of them getting drunk and flirting. That isn't going to qualify if we're going to avoid speculation at all costs. Swm 05:45, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Sam Cohen

Is the actor who plays Nathan (Sam Cohen) when he was 11 years old related to the person who plays Hesam, Assaf Cohen?? ~~IHH—Talk 15:49, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Nathan's memories vs. Confused Sylar

I know we've done this hundreds of times, but particularly with the last episode, it seems we may need to reconsider what to do with Sylar-as-Nathan as far as which page the information goes on. Obviously yes, "Nathan" is in fact Sylar, led to believe he is Nathan. This much is fact. However, in this last episode, with his memories as Sylar ripped out, and his memories as Nathan apparently "dead", it was Nathan's memories that resurfaced. It's almost sentience, really. With the knowledge that Sylar's memories (fully aware of who he is and what happened) are inside Matt (and actively doing things to Matt), and Nathan's memories are now acting within Sylar's body, would it be fair to argue that Sylar-as-Nathan's actions as Nathan (and "Nathan"'s actions as Sylar) should be included on Nathan's page? (Take into consideration, too, how we dealt with Jesse Murphy.) Alternatively, in a similar way to how we've split these kinds of instances before (see Jessica Sanders and Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister)), would it be more correct to create a page (say, "Nathan Petrelli (alter-ego)" or some such) separate from that of Sylar? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:18, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Nathan is dead. Sylar was meant to believe he was Nathan, but he was not Nathan. Sylar, even when acting as Nathan, was still very much alive, retaining his powers and even some of his memories. When Peter was "inside" Jesse, Jesse had no control. Ditto when Jessica took over Niki's body. Lucky for us, it seems that the Sylar-as-Nathan persona isn't going to return. Sylar looks like Zachary Quinto, and he is regaining his memory. The switch was a cool plot point, but it is relatively short term. I feel that Sylar's history should remain on Sylar's page, no matter what Sylar looked like. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:09, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Ryan, I feel you're just so wrong. Sylar's memories are STILL in him, he just can't access it. The memories that come to him naturally, are Nathan's. It has been proven in "I am Sylar" that the shape-shifting, if used a long time, alters Sylar. The body absorbs the DNA of the original person impersonated, and then changes Sylar. Shape shifting is not Candice's power ! The Sylar-Nathan, is not Sylar who thinks he is Nathan. It's someone that shares Nathan's DNA, memories, feelings... All that MAKES a person. Worst, it has been shown with Matt, that those "memories replaced" are more like a mind transfer. Even if it's not plausible, it's a sci fi show and the writers tend to that conclusion. Sylar's mind is in Matt, he wants his body back. The body got amnesia, but the memories that come back are Nathan's memories. As proven in the last few episodes, when "Gabriel" turned into Nathan for brief seconds while watching flights, or when he remembered Tracy, Nathan is STILL in that body, and will probable emerge again. Even if it's not the original Nathan, it's "one" Nathan. It's definitely not Sylar, that's not a simple mind trick Matt did. Sylar absorbed all of Nathan's memories, life, and his DNA. If we never see Nathan again, you're right. But if we see it, let's say, in the next episodes, you'll just be wrong It's like saying the Sylar in Matt's head IS Matt ! It's silly. It's not on the Matt page, right ? At least, the story should appear on both Nathan and Sylar pages, as we're doing for Matt and Sylar. It's the exact same process. Nathan is "dead", physically. They wanted to keep Nathan on the show, at least for this season, because they wanted to climax that. It's not just a "Sylar is tricked", it's a Nathan's copy. It's been shown clearly in several occasions by now. Still, you might be right... Who knows ? Maybe should we read spoilers...--Kleith 11:27, 7 November 2009 (EST)
      • I agree, Sylar's memories are still in Sylar. I also agree that Matt did not perform a "simple mind trick" -- it was very taxing and difficult on him. However, Nathan is dead. Matt did not bring Nathan back to life in any form. The only thing of Nathan that remains are his memories--because Sylar saw them. There's nothing to suggest that Sylar's DNA has now changed to Nathan's DNA. In fact, the opposite seems to be true--Sylar retained his own DNA. Remember when James Martin was killed, but looked like Sylar? The DNA in his blood and brain matter was still James Martin's, even though he looked like Sylar. There's no reason to believe that when Sylar shape shifted to look like Nathan that his DNA changed too. And no, we shouldn't read spoilers, especially if those spoilers are coming from Kristin Veitch. She is a vile bottom-feeder who routinely lies and bluffs, and then is proven wrong. But I digress... :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:49, 7 November 2009 (EST)
        • Ryan, shape shifting is a mess... At first, it wasn't supposed to change clothes neither ! In I AM Sylar, it is stated that the DNA is changing, in order to copy someone. (By Sylar, he even says that his DNA is changing so much, that it's not coming back how it should, which causes some dysfunction, as the tooth which wasn't his.) Then they decided at the last minute, that it would not be fun to make him change cloth every five minutes... James Martin was only Sylar for 2 minutes, then he got killed. Sylar states it's because of the time he spends with another body... Well, it's hard to explain, but we can't just forget the "I am Sylar" episode. Shape shifting involves more than just the appearance. Then, Sylar, by seeing those moments of Nathan's life, experienced it ! So, you got someone who is similar in a lot of points. Of course it's not the real Nathan. But as I tried to explain, it's "A" Nathan. I don't think he should be consider as Sylar, since the writers will never go that way. The Nathan inside has his own will and mind. It's now some sort of schizophrenia, like Jessica and Niki for a exemple! Thing is, the second personality within the body matches Nathan's, so I don't think, even if the real one is dead, that he should be considered as nothing more than a "tricked Sylar". It's something that has Nathan's essence, experience, way of thinking, feelings, and links to his family, that hates Sylar and will never become him. Matt shouldn't have Sylar's mind, for instance, since he just fot his memories... But for the writers, those memories and experience make what a person is. Even if we don't agree with that concept, they want us to care for this Nathan. Some will not accept him for something more than Sylar, but others see there what Nathan used to be, and I think, since Sylar's body is still having Nathan's memories coming back, and that the Evil Sylar is within Matt, that it's the case. For the spoilers, I definitely wasn't referring to Kristin, I know who she is... ;)
          • I don't think the writers have ever considered the Sylar-Nathan character to be the real Nathan or a fake Nathan. He has always been written as Sylar who honestly believes he is Nathan. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2009 (EST)
          • No, that would be against all interviews that have been given, referring clearly to this persona as Nathan.
            • I removed the spoiler from your above post. Until something is confirmed on the show, we'll go with what we know--Nathan is dead. Sylar has shape shifted into Nathan's form. Matt telepathically convinced Sylar that his was Nathan. Sylar has seen Nathan's memories, and believes that they are his. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 7 November 2009 (EST)
              • Then explain to me why is Sylar having Nathan's memories coming back instead of his, since he can't be "convinced to be Nathan", as he got amnesia. Matt didn't just convinced him. He totally replace Sylar's memories by Nathan's. So what, he just got his body, his feelings, his life... He doesn't react like Sylar actually ("call me Nathan", "I used to shake hands..." , Tracy...) so... It's not a mind trick, Sylar took everything from Nathan, and now it has created a whole new entity. It's not Sylar, it's schizophrenia. Actually no, Sylar is not in this body anymore since he's in Matt. You think we will never see Nathan again, and I think it's just a matter of time before he gets his memory (Nathan's) back, as shown in recent episodes. All the choices he makes, are now based on what the real Nathan used to live. Then I don't think he'll choose to be Sylar instead of Nathan, if Matt doesn't transfer his evil Sylar. Those memories, those feelings, those experiences... It's what makes a person. Sylar didn't have that from himself, he got that from Nathan by supernatural way, that's why he acts a way he shouldn't. Nathan's life has changed his way of thinking, which matches the real Nathan. I mean, I know it's not the most logical way to think, but they took some easy path to write this story. Sylar shouldn't have all of Nathan's memories, unless he wears the same underwear since 4 years, Matt shouldn't have Sylar's mind in him, let's not talk about the hunger, nor Peter, and the new Nathan should just be a lost Sylar... But then again, for the good of the story, and to high up the stakes, they decided to make some things the way they are... So OK for now, we don't have much shown in the show (but I have to say that there's a lot of things that aren't even discussed in it so...), but I hope you'll consider something else, if it is hinted in the next episodes.
                • Basically guys, Matt locked Sylar's memories in a "safe", but left Nathan's memories. His brain, only knowing Nathan's memories, just assumed that they were his. Only Damien is able to get into this "safe". --mc_hammark 15:39, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Funny picture!!!

I can't believe someone named this "peter kentucky fried nathan". And doesn't nathan look like two-face from batman? --mc_hammark 15:55, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Well, yeah, the radiation burns he got were more severe on the side he was carrying Peter.--Gibbeynator 09:12, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Right handed?

Why is it trivia that Nathan is right handed? Seems rather useless to note. --OutbackZack 06:12, 18 November 2009 (EST)

  • That's what a trivium is. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:12, 18 November 2009 (EST)
    • But being right handed is common. It would be different if he was left handed. --OutbackZack 19:06, 18 November 2009 (EST)
      • Normally I'd agree, Zack, but Nathan being right handed is kinda trivia worthy since Sylar, who kinda is Nathan, is left handed.--Riddler 21:00, 18 November 2009 (EST)
        • Then shouldn't that be on Sylar's page? Something like "When Sylar is Nathan he uses his right hand as oppose to his left" or whatever it is?--OutbackZack 17:24, 19 November 2009 (EST)
          • Nathan being right handed is mentioned because Sylar (while in Nathan's form) wrote with his left hand in An Invisible Thread, which Claire noticed and deduced it isn't Nathan. AltesUTC CH
            • Oh okay, that reasoning makes better sense. --OutbackZack 15:14, 20 November 2009 (EST)

All-new problem

So now we go from Sylar thinking he's Nathan, and Parkman with Sylar in his head... to Sylar with Nathan's memories in his head (memories that appear to have gained their own sentience), and Parkman off on his own. I know we keep doing this to death, and Nathan as we knew him is very much dead, but since Nathan's memories are now ACTIVELY fighting Sylar from taking back control, should we consider Nathan's memories sufficient that an aspect of Nathan is still alive (and thus put it on this page)? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 01:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

  • No idea. It's good for me, if the memories are fighting against Sylar, he's somewhat sentient. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • I agree, its Nathan, or at least enough of him to be considered him. The Nathan fighting back against Sylar should go on this page. --Skullman1392 17:38, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Agreed. It may not be Nathan in his own body, but it seems to be Nathan's "spirit" at least. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 17:42, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • I also agree. They made it very clear that his soul is still alive and fighting.Gamerelite1 18:58, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • Agreed. It's kinda how Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde are generally treated as different characters.--Referos 19:05, 24 November 2009 (EST)
            • I agree too, I mean he is a main character. But I think we should get at least one admin support before we change it automatically. Or wait and see if someone disagrees. ~~IHH—Talk 20:22, 24 November 2009 (EST)
              • Well that's what I suggested not a long ago, so I'm all for it ! The "new" Nathan is Nathan's legacy, he's what he left, and it's fighting Sylar. As said Angela, he is "his mind, his spirit", so whatever we don't think this is too plausible, this is what the writers want us to feel.--Kleith 06:22, 25 November 2009 (EST)
                • After last nights episode, I'd say that it's definitely nathan and not just a blob of memories.
                  • So shouldn't the stuff Nathan's consciousness did at the begining of season four go on here as well? --Skullman1392 17:24, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                    • Yes, but someone is going to have to do it, so it will probably take a while to get around to.
                      • No, because this Nathan was killed in An Invisible Thread. What happened to him in Season Four, was that we saw brief flashbacks of his life, as well as his dead body at the Store-It-Here. That information is already on the page. --Radicell 04:08, 3 December 2009 (EST)
                        • The issue is that Nathan's memories became a full-on sentience within Sylar, that fought against him. The way the show played it up, "Nathan" was in fact Nathan. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:44, 3 December 2009 (EST)

about section

why does nathan have an about section, yet other characters do not. Surely the introductary paragraph couns as an about section? --mc_hammark 14:03, 2 December 2009 (EST)

  • Some characters do, some do not. The About section gives more info than the introductory paragraph. Some characters have more info to be said about them than others. --Skullman1392 16:55, 2 December 2009 (EST)

Dead image

Should we add the image of Nathan falling of the rooftop? (I think he really died there).-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:13, 2 December 2009 (EST)

I don't get it

Okay, so, in An Invisible Thread, Parkman brainwashed Sylar into thinking that he was Nathan. Because he had already got some of Nathan's memories through psychometry, this wasn't too hard. Nathan had died before this occurred and was not related to this happening at all. Yet later on, Sylar's suddenly "out of his body" and Nathan's "in Sylar's body". Then Sylar also "enters" his own body and the two fight for control, until "Nathan" is dropped off a building, killing his "half" of Sylar. Where did this Nathan half come from? Did the writers just change their mind? I know I've brought this up elsewhere, I'd just like some answers if anyone has them. -- Tristan0709 talk 01:45, 3 December 2009 (EST)

  • I think that when Matt forced "Nathan" into Sylar's body, Sylar was forced out and had nowhere to go but into Matt's body. As for the "Nathan and Sylar in one body", I think it was just a choice by the writers. It may just be away to show how vulnerable Sylar can be regardless of how many powers he may have obtained, but in the end what's left of "Nathan" is overpowered by Sylar. I'm assuming his half Disappears because he chooses to let go, I wouldn't even begin to consider how memories become sentient and there's a good chance that we'll never find out. - Jenx222 | U / T / C 10:06, 3 December 2009 (EST)
    • I understand what you're saying, but Matt never actually DID force Nathan into Sylar's body. However, I just realised that it's possible that the part of Sylar that THOUGHT he was Nathan was what died in The Fifth Stage. -- Tristan0709 talk 16:20, 3 December 2009 (EST)
      • Well I guess it's another one of the many, many mysteries in heroes. Hopefully more will be revealed about it later but I highly doubt it. I think they're done with the Sylar/Nathan plot. I guess time will tell. - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:11, 3 December 2009 (EST)
        • Just, one supposition...Memories are a part of mind. And when Sylar recieved Nathan's memories through Clairsentience and Matt's mental instructions, may be really the disembodied mind of Nathan rooming around unconsiously, found a suitable environment in Sylar's brain, because of his own memories already present in there and settles in!?? Beware that Nathan did die a very little time ago. Plus Angela several times purposefully claimed, it's Nathan's mind, his consciousness, his soul etc. I don't say it must have happened, just a supposition. Else than that Tristan, even if Nathan's disembodied mind did not settle in Sylar's empty seat, the memories must have altered themselves to take the role of a mind or a personality. We saw that personality when Sylar thought he was Nathan, when he became amnesiac. A brain without a mind cannot live so there must have been something there, whatever you call it. Finally that thing thought definitely he was Nathan, and they had their last fight in The Fifth Stage. -- Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 15:18, 4 December 2009 (EST)

I love you pete

I just noticed that Nathan's final words to Peter always where: i love you pete. (in both Sylar's form and his form before dying), trive worthy? -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:58, 14 December 2009 (EST)

Get over it!

Is it just me or is anyone else kinda weirded out by the fact that Nathan's only not been referenced to in one episode since his character lost the fight to Sylar? --mc_hammark 14:12, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • Maybe they just want to highlight the fact that a major character actually died. For good.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:15, 9 February 2010 (EST)

why could nathan still fly when he was in sylars body, was this just telekinesis and if not couldn't matt give everybody any power he wants?Angel0941 11:11, 21 February 2010 (EST)

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