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Man at Bar

  • I thought that the Man at the Bar's first encounter with the policeman was reminiscent of an early encounter between a young Professor X and another powerful telepath. I cannot remember the details of that comic book, but it's part of Professor X's canonical origin story. In it, Professor X meets an Indian telepath at a bar on accident, and they end up fighting each other on the astral plane. Ultimately, Professor X defeats him. -- Signyour Poste
  • If the "man at the bar" is known as The Haitian in the official scripts, should the page name be moved ? --Orne 15:15, 8 November 2006 (EST)
    • I would say yes. I think the actual article should now be called The Haitian with Man at the bar just redirecting. If they give him an actual name, we can just move it again. Any other opinions? (Admin 17:09, 8 November 2006 (EST))
      • Sounds good to me. If nothing else, he's no longer at the bar. :) --Hardvice (talk) 17:35, 8 November 2006 (EST)
        • Can we get a redirect SED to Hatian.
          ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 22:54, 6 January 2007 (EST)
          • Sure, but I for one would rather not use it for links. It's clearer if we consistently call him "the Haitian" rather than using his fan nicknames. But a redirect is still a good idea for searches.--Hardvice (talk) 23:02, 6 January 2007 (EST)
            • Personally, I don't think it's necessary as it's not not a very popular way of referring to him and I'd hate to see links show up using it instead of the proper name The Haitian. (Admin 00:30, 7 January 2007 (EST))
              • I can see the benefit of having a redirect to an article for searching purposes - especially if we get a fan looking for something that Heroes Wiki calls differently. However, I've never heard him called SED anywhere. I know he was called "Spooky Euro Dude" on the show once, and though I'm sure SED is a legitimate fan name, I think anybody that were to search for SED and not come up with anything could pretty quickly figure out that they should use another search term. Redirects for all nicknames are just not necessary. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                • The redirect doesn't really bug me. We can correct links to it just as easily as we can correct red links to SED or piped links labeled SED. In any case, all the links will still read "the Haitian" and there's no extra work, so it's all the same to me.--Hardvice (talk) 00:57, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                  • so is it #REDIRECT|SED
                    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 13:03, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Powers

The Haitian seems to be able to knock people out by touching them. Ryangibsonstewart argues that Eden's suggestion was responsible for him passing out, but he seemed to be resisting her suggestion (with effort) until the Haitian grabbed him from behind. Sylar also resisted her suggestion when she tried to tell him to kill himself, attempting to kill her for her power instead. Basically, Eden's power seems to be a powerful -- but not irresistible -- compulsion.

The Haitian's true power seems to be to interfere with brain function in various ways. He can remove, but apparently not alter, memories. He can interfere with Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion, although it's not whether he's actually affecting the superhuman or the target. The ability to knock someone out by interfering with mental function in another way seems quite consistent with his "core" power of mental manipulation (or perhaps more accurately -- mental interference). - Ted C

  • Devil's advocate time: It's possible, but unconfirmed. There's no reason to assume he can resist Eden's commands ... in fact, the fact that she assumed she could so easily take him out herself seems to imply that she was confident he couldn't, which would seem odd if her command hadn't worked the night before. We can assume he's not responsible for knocking Matt or Ted out when they were abducted because Bennet tells Matt they drugged him, and Matt asks Ted if he was drinking as well (of course, Bennet could be lying). If he could just knock them out with a handshake, why go to the trouble of bringing somebody else into the scheme (the Haitian wasn't close enough to Matt's drink to drug it, so it has to have been another patron or the bartender)? Also, why tranq Sylar (in Graphic Novel:Fathers and Daughters) if you can just touch him?

    I think there's little evidence to support the ability, though I agree it's in line with the way his powers seem to work. The only person who goes down when he touches them is Sylar, and he's just received a suggestion to sleep. Sylar may be immune/resistant to her power, but that's not confirmed, either. He avoids her suggestion to kill himself by acting before the condition precedent is met ("I'm going to put the gun in the slot, then you're going to blow your brains out.")--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm all for letting future events verify the Haitian's abilities, but I think Eden may overestimate herself a bit. Matt Parkman wasn't very compliant when he pulled her over for drunk driving, either; she had to repeat the suggestion what -- three times? -- before it finally affected him? I think the effect of her power increases with repetition, but we'll never know for sure, now (unless we get some really informative flashbacks). --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • You make a good point, Ted C. I actually happen to agree with you, but until anything is confirmed, we should leave it off the page. I guess we'll have to wait until January 22 :( - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm fine with waiting until we get further confirmation, but I wanted to get this into the Wiki somewhere for future reference. The talk page seemed the appropriate venue. --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Eden

"He has the ability to block mental abilities (to date, Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion)" When did he block Eden's suggestion? Branfish 03:13, 18 January 2007 (EST)

In Six Months Ago, Eden tries to command Mr. Bennet to let her go, and he tells her that her powers won't work on him. The Haitain is standing in the room. (see this image for reference.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Oh, of course, I forgot about the past. Branfish 07:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Spooky Euro-dude

OK, could someone explain how someone would call a Haitian a "euro-dude"??? Not much european at all about him to be honest. -- Cuardin 15:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)

  • Jimmy Jean-Louis's look and facial features could be interpreted by some to be european (I'd say he could pass for being French -- according to his page, he was an international model not only in Haiti but Paris and Spain?) -- Signyour Poste
  • Not to pretend that I'm a fashion expert, but I'd say that the Haitian's fashion sense and image could be regarded as "euro" (by at least some Americans, anyway) -- Signyour Commente
  • Sensitivity isn't one of Nathan's major personality traits. -- Signthis Pleeze
  • Especially when it comes to the correct ethnic/cultural identity of a kidnapper.
--Glue 08:42, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • I'm pretty sure it was a nod to (or making fun of) some of the forums where people have used that actual name. Heroes writers tend to be pretty savvy when it comes to self-referential comments. I swear, when Hiro and Kaito talked about waffles in Distractions, it was because they read about it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar

Should it be brought into question about the Haitian's removal (Or lack thereof) of Sylar's memory? He looked right at HRG and inquired about Claire. This means one of two things, the Haitian is working with Sylar, or Sylar's new eidetic memory makes him immune to the Haitian's powers. -- Signyour Poste

  • This is definitely a good point. I'm not sure I would mention it on the Haitian's page (or on mental manipulation) because we're not sure if it's a lack of the Haitian's power or an extension of Sylar's power. My guess is that Sylar's got a lot going on we don't know about. Perhaps we should just mention it in the summary spaces (The Fix, Sylar), maybe the "Notes" sections, and wait to find out more... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • It's also possible they just chose not to wipe Sylar's memory because they needed something from him, or thought they might at least. They could also just have not had the chance ... they were still questioning him when he killed Eden, and he got "sick" pretty much right after that.--Hardvice (talk) 12:14, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • It was my opinion that It had to do with Charlie's power. Her eiditic memory would make it theoretically substantially harder to erase memories. Anomy 20:49, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Does he work for the Company?

I thought he escaped like Claude since they were going to kill him for hiding someone with abilities? Would that make him formerly employed, similar to Claude?--Baldbobbo 18:47, 1 March 2007 (EST)

  • Presumably. I would wait until next week when we see the aftermath of his actions. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:06, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Haitian Speaking

From the Notes section: "The Haitian rarely speaks. In fact, Mr. Bennet and Thompson were under the erroneous impression that he couldn't speak. He finally broke his silence by speaking to Claire Bennet. (Fallout)"

I don't think this is correct - IIRC the Hatian spoke the Bennet when Parkman said "Who's Claire?" The Hatian said, "They're further along than we thought." Or something like that. I'm pretty sure that when Bennet is arguing with The Hatian at Primatech he was just making a point that someone other than Bennet (i.e. Claire) knew that he could speak. -- Signyour Poste

  • That was Mr. Bennet's line, not the Haitian's. In Company Man, Mr. Bennet confronts the Haitian about his ability to speak -- which he didn't know about before he found out about his conversations with Claire. Thompson claimed he was mute. In other words, until Claire revealed that he could talk, both Mr. Bennet and Thompson thought he was mute.--Hardvice (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Powers Update

I'm editing the powers of the haitain. In five years gone, it's stated by Hiro, and talked about between Peter and Hiro that the Haitian can block powers. This includes Peters, and Hiros, which cannot be argued to be just mental powers. -- Signyour Poste

  • That's fine, but make sure the edits are on The Haitian (future) and not The Haitian. This may be something the Haitian has developed during the past five years, so we don't want to change anything on the current Haitian's page since, well, nothing has changed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:43, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Technically, all the powers are mental powers, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Haitian's power classification.--Ice Vision 00:18, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Vision's right. Peter technically has only one power: empathy. And empathy comes from the brain. Hiro's power relies on concentrating with his mind to freeze time. DannyP 00:35, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Not only that, Chandra Suresh explicitly talked about the brain in Six Months Ago. The powers are centered around the brain, and therefore mental.--Ice Vision 00:46, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • You might note that I've already update the Mental manipulation page. --Ted C 10:36, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Amnegenesis

That's what I think the Haitian's power should be called. Esentially, it seems like he's rewiring the neurotransmitters in a persons head in order to erase memories (causing lacunar amnesia). A side-effect of this power is that he can project his power as a kind of mental field that can single-out people with/without powers. For people with powers, he can sometimes create a form of mental paralysis which is akin to making them temporarily forget how to activate their powers. I'm suggesting we rename his power and make Mental manipulation a disambig that contains "Amnegenesis" for the Haitian, "Psychotropicity" for Guillame and "Telepathy" for Matt Parkman.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:15, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Um, did you make that up? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 14:17, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Wow, yuck. Not only does that gloss over the fact that he can do two very different things (block powers and erase memories), but it sounds a) overly jargony and technical and b) completely made-up. I see nothing wrong with "mental manipulation" -- granted, it's not as specific as it could be, but it encompasses both effects without making one subordinate to the other (which is a huge and unfounded assumption about how the power works). And Guillaume's power isn't really "mental manipulation" -- while he manipulates brain chemistry, as far as we know he doesn't directly affect minds (thoughts, memories, and the like) per se. It seems we're wasting an awful lot of time trying to come up with fancier and fancier names for powers, but most of them seem to be either very poor fits or no better than what we have, and almost all of them are rather needlessly highfalutin.--Hardvice (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, "amnegenesis" it's a made-up combination of amnesia and genesis. I wasn't expecting your reaction, and I'm sorry I suggested it (oops!). Anyways, we're spending a lot of time cause we are learning new things from the graphic novels and interviews, and they add new insight into how the powers work. For instance, in the recent graphic novel we saw the Haitian causes the townspeople to become mindless zombies by casting his power in the form of a mental field--the same way as is suggested in Five Years Gone, but this time the mental field affected ordinary humans and that was further confirmation to me that it is one and the same power. The reasoning behind the neurotransmitters argument comes from that it seems suggested in the story that the Haitian's power physically alters Sandra's brain and repeated mind-wipes damaged it noticeably. If Matt tried hypnosis to try to recover his lost memories, I don't think it would work.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:16, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
      • Don't apologize for suggesting it--it's a valid suggestion. I just personally think it's icky and relies on unconfirmed supposition about how the two aspects of his power interrelate.--Hardvice (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
        • Thanks, I agree that more info. about the Haitian's power-blocking would help. For now, that's my theory on how the aspects interrelate and we are not likely to get a better idea on its validity till at least next season.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

I've always thought "Mental interference" was the most accurate description of what the Haitian does, whether he's interfering with powers or memory. --Ted C 17:34, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

  • I could go for that, but I'm pretty ambivalent either way. They both seem fine to me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:43, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
    • Nice one Ted, I like it better than manipulation since we now know more about the limitations of his power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:41, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Did Elle say his name?

OK, so I could have sworn I heard her call him Dan or something to that like when she gave Peter the negation drugs... -- Signyour Poste

  • She said, referring to the pills, "Let's call them Haitian pills." --SomeoneImportant 11:29, 13 November 2007 (EST)

His Powers?

Just a quicky I thought of last night (I was slow in watching this week's episode) - how come the Haitian has to touch another person to wipe their memories, but not to block their powers? *le confused* -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 06 December 2025 - 22:36 EDT

  • He doesn't. He wiped out the memories of his entire village without touching everybody--see It Takes a Village. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:28, 16 November 2007 (EST)
    • In that case, why does he even need to touch people (lol sounds wrong)? Stronger minds, maybe? -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 06 December 2025 - 22:36 EDT
      • I believe he can wipe a person's entire memory without touch, but must touch the person in order to pinpoint specific memories to erase.--Paronine 09:08, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Another one heh

Also, how come the Haitian is still working for The Company in Four Months Ago but, surely, this would be AFTER he helped Noah escape with Claire? Didn't they know he was involved? *also confused* (Caffeine does bad things to me) -- eXplicit (talk/contribs) 06 December 2025 - 22:36 EDT

  • That's a really good question. Perhaps he knows he can trust Bob? Dunno the answer to that one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:30, 16 November 2007 (EST)
    • Just a guess, but maybe he erased the memory of his duplicity from their feeble minds?--Mish(Talk) 09:45, 16 November 2007 (EST)
      • When he was hiding Claire it was Linderman who was in charge. Linderman was the type of guy who would have betrayers killed, but Bob was one of the guys who was against him (remember the mention of adam with Linderman and maury being some of his desciples). Most probably, Bob would have forgiven him. --mc_hammark 12:37, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Unexpected

  • I'm really confused on what side The Haitian is on because I just realized. In Unexpected when PEter uses telekinesis and space time manip to stop the darts the Haitian does not negate the powers and he is able to negate both of those. Jason Garrick 10:39, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
    • Keep in mind he was working for Angela Petrelli, who was utilizing him to keep Claire safe behind both Noah and the Company's back. He was also the one who kept him away from the Company in Season 2. --Bob (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Power establishment?

Seems to me that The Haitian wasn't exactly established properly in the beginning. In the bar, he silences Matt's mind, which could be interpreted as just stopping his power from working. But then you look at the scene where Nathan evades the Haitian and HRG in Vegas... Not only does he not stop him from taking off (what?!) he also doesn't get any comment on it from HRG, as if that was something to expect?

Curious... -- Signyour Poste

  • I should of mentioned this to Jimmy in the interview I did, o well :/--Skywalkerrbf 07:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
    • We later find out that the Haitian has been working under Angela Petrelli's orders. If she told him to protect Claire, why not tell him to protect Nathan? And Noah wouldn't make any inquiries seeing as at the time he wouldn't expect to get an answer and he'd just assume the Haitian's ability wouldn't affect flight.--Citizen 10:21, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

A New Sensation?

Under the notes section it says that Thompson refers to the Haitian as "A new sensation." But actually, he was responding to Mr. Bennet's comment that he didn't know what to do about his wife. Thompson asks "Is that a new sensation for you?" The Haitian isn't mentioned until several lines later.--PrometheusMMIV (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Agree, I meant to bring this up myself but kept forgetting --Matchu 23:45, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

"Nullifer" agent?

Is this a canon job title or did someone just make it up? Also, it's "nullifier," not "nullifer." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:39, 2 November 2008 (EST)

  • Also, it's "made it up". Not "make it up" xD - Meteoritu
  • It should be "nullifier", and it is a near-canon term used in one of the graphic novels. However, it doesn't cover all of what the Haitian does with his ability, and it was not used to directly describe him, so we don't use it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:48, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Nickname of "My Friend"

Do we really consider this a true nickname, similar to Guillame's nickname of "boy", or is it rather, just the shows way of avoiding naming The Haitian? I think there is a difference. "Boy" is an alternate name the character is known by; whereas ""my friend" seems to be intended only for the viewing audience as a 'placeholder' for a missing name, but not a nickname used within the show by the characters to identify the Haitian. Thoughts? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/3/2008 14:39 (EST)

His brother, "Baron"

While "Baron" is an alias, are we to assume that the Haitian (and thus, Guillame)'s last name is Samedi? Fun note for the non-Francophiles: "samedi" means "Saturday". Ricard Desi 00:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • Samedi I think is his first name. The Haitian, Peter and Nathan all refer to him as Samedi, Samedi responding to it on several occasions. Titan3510 19:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • That's not even his real name. I think they just call him Samedi for short, but that's not his true name, its the name of some voodo god he took on to make his people think he's a god. -- Signyour Poste

Mental manipulation

The Haitian was able to incapacitate two of Samedi's soldiers by barely touching their heads, negate Samedi's powers and (possibly) killing him or at least destroying his mind. I think there is a character named Anna has the ability to interfere with upper brain functions and has something like this with her power. Is this new aspects of mental manipulation or an expansion of telepathy seen on the show? Titan3510 19:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think he just completely wiped his brother's mind of everything like he did to his fellow villagers by accident. We know he can do that. He did possibly display that knockout thing before though: he touched Sylar's head in Homecoming when he went unconscious, that may have been him or Eden's suggestion that Sylar sleep. -- Signyour Poste
    • Or the rag. -- Signyour Commente

Nicknames/notes

Shouldn't we add the numerous nicknames for the Haitain that are currently in the notes, to the box? --IotV 12:02, 5 January 2009 (GMT)

  • Those nicknames come from interviews and other secondary sources. The infobox is only for in-universe information. --Yamawhata? 21:32, 20 January 2009 (EST)

black man

IceGhost78 we need more black people on the show

Yeah, Arthur Petrelli killed them all, pretty much. Or so I've heard.--ERROR 13:25, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Disappearing Act

Maybe I missed a BTE, but I'm confused. The Haitian was an integral part of the first three volumes. Then he drops off the edge of the script in Volume 4. What happened? --Uncanny474 19:20, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No idea, but I know that there is an interview with the actor somewhere where this is explained. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It can be found here. The Haitian didn't really fit in with the storyline of Volume 4, I guess. I agree with you, he's one of my favorite characters and I certainly hope he returns for Season 4. --Radicell 05:21, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Or he erased most of the people's their memories :o, they don't known, he plays in heroes :o WaterRatj 20:06, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

His Name

What do you think the Haitian's name is?--ERROR 13:25, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

  • L Lawliet. Or Nate River. ;) -- Altes 04:22, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Back in season 4

his name is in the synopsis as a guest star for the first episode of season 4. as some would say: "YATTA" --mc_hammark 14:20, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

  • Awesome. I thought he was dead. We haven't seen him since Dual. --Isaac Mendez 18:32, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

The Haitian's name?

Please don't post spoilers out of spoiler pages. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:15, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Victims

Should we not have an article that lists the haitian's victims? There are quite a number of them. --mc_hammark 09:19, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Name

After four seasons of waiting, René. Move or keep the same? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:51, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I'm actually going to miss the secrecy of his name. I thought having a character being called by his nationality was pretty cool.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:56, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Is that his actual name? I assumed it was a fake name claire used.
    • Like The German, The Croatian, and The Russian? There are still a few yet, though they are mostly dead or unmentioned. --Isaac Mendez 14:58, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Change name back to hatian

He is most commonly known as the hatian and not rene. Otherwise we should rename sylar as gabriel.Gamerelite1 22:04, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I was thinking the same thing, actually. (Admin 22:06, 9 November 2009 (EST))
    • I like that idea.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:06, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • I'm actually on the René / Gabriel Gray boat with redirects from Sylar and the Haitian. I might be alone, though. NileQT87 22:11, 9 November 2009 (EST)
        • Well, while it's a little different, we changed HRG to Noah immediately. The difference with Sylar is that it's a name he actually goes by, what he believes is his identity (well, before the mindwipe), and what people refer to him as. If The Haitian has a name, the page should be named for him. I am disappointed with his name reveal though.--Riddler 22:12, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • But noah is consistently refered to as Noah, not HRG. The same with the hatian. He is always called the hatian, not rene. Are we even sure that his name is rene, or was it a lie by claire? Given that it's speculative at best that his real name is rene, and that he has only been called rene once, I think it's best to keep him as the hatian.Gamerelite1 22:18, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • Didn't realize there was a topic here, well I think we should keep his name in some form, but make a note that it could just be a (Claire Given) name (Meaning not his real name). Like I said on the episode talk, it would've been awkward if Claire introduced him as "The Haitian."--Dman dustin 22:16, 9 November 2009 (EST)
            • So she goes up to Gretchen and gives him a name out of the blue. Or Clair just decides, "Hey, you like like a René". I think it's his real name, but still don't like the fact it was revealed.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:19, 9 November 2009 (EST)
  • Well, for starters, before they even went to Gretchen, Claire says "Let's go, Rene". And Gamer, I said it was different, and you're right, now he is referred to as Noah instead of HRG, but for a while he wasn't. We changed his name the second we learned his real name, as we should here.--Riddler 22:21, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Disagree. He has been reffered to as the hatian for over 3 seasons. Noah was referred to as hrg by people who had no idea who he was. It was not in any way an alias for him. Whereas the haitian is quite familiar with his title as the haitian and never requested to be called rene. Until he is consistently referred to as such, he should stay as the haitian to avoid confusion.Gamerelite1 22:27, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • I agree, you either call both The Haitian and Sylar Rene and Gabriel or you keep it how it is if you're going to be consistent. Both are aliases that the characters are referred to and answer by. Changing one but not the other is just silly. -Barbedknives (talk)22:34, 9 November 2009 (EST)
      • The Haitian is a title, not a name, If he has a name it should be changed. (Still not sure if Rene is his real name. After all when would've it come up), The Haitian: Oh by the way my real name is Rene. --Dman dustin 22:30, 9 November 2009 (EST)
        • Hold it, was Rene the name on the boarding pass for The Haitian when he tried to take Claire to France in the first season (or at least what he asked to be called). Because if that's the case then that's why Claire said "Rene" it just wasn't out of the blue it was a reference to Season 1. But then again I haven't seen Season 1 so my memory may be faulty. --Dman dustin 22:33, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • LOL, how epic would it be if we knew his name this whole friggen time... As for the name change, The Haitian is what he is most known as, so it should be switched back to it. But, if he keeps getting called Rene, then it should be changed.--Ratclaws 22:53, 9 November 2009 (EST)
          • I haven't seen Season one "in a long time" I can't believe I forgot to add that. --Dman dustin 23:04, 9 November 2009 (EST)
  • The difference between Sylar and the Haitian is that Sylar is a name, an alias. The Haitian is not a name or an alias--it's a description. According to our naming conventions, we use names over descriptions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2009 (EST)
    • Also from the naming conventions: "When a character has assumed a name other than their actual given name, the name most commonly used for the character should be used."--PrometheusMMIV 01:15, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • They always call him "The Haitian" so it's actually more like a name rather than a description. If they didn't call him that and we just called him "the Haitian" because we didn't have a better name then it would be our description. I think it's got a lot more in common with the basis we used for keeping Sylar as the name of the article. (Admin 00:20, 10 November 2009 (EST))
      • That's understandable. I'm not digging the argument that we shouldn't change the page's name because Rene might not be his name. That's baloney and a weak, speculative argument. But if the idea is that "The Haitian" is his name, then I suppose it should be changed. I just can't buy that "The Haitian" is more than a descriptive term people have used for so long that it now feels like a name, though it remains a descriptive term. Regardless, it's not something I care too much about, so I don't mind if it gets changed. I just wanted to make sure I state my opinion. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Hayden Panettiere called Jimmy Jean-Louis' character "René the Haitian", didn't she? She never said it was a made-up name by Claire. I think it's real. AltesUTC CH

  • I vote for renaming back. Because there's Candice, whose formal name is Betty, and Sarah Ellis aka Eden McCain. AltesUTC CH
    • For reasons already stated, I support moving this back to "The Haitian". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:51, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • Keep it René, i think it fits his funny character xD -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 18:01, 10 November 2009 (EST)

His name. Too tired to go into the other discussions for this and sort everything out.

I honestly think Claire just called him that so she wouldn't have to tell Gretchen "this is my friend The Haitain. No I don't know his real name no one does." Gretchen was pretty freaked. Doubt she'd want someone who she didn't even know the name of to protect her. Plus, how did Claire know his name if this is it??? The last time Noah mentioned him he called him The Haitian and I doubt she'd know his real name while Noah didn't.--WarGrowlmon18 23:35, 9 November 2009 (EST)

  • I don't think his name should be changed from "The Haitian" to René in every instance of his name. If he is refered to specifically as The Haitian, that should be on his page. It becomes misleading and as if everyone called him René in every episode prior to Shadowboxing, which is certainly not true. --Skullman1392 00:04, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • To sort out my thoughts a little better: the times he is refered to by another character as "The Haitian", it should say "The Haitian" on his page. If talking about him himself, he should be called "René" on his page. For example, the GNs about The Hatian when he was younger should refer to him as "René". Another example: when Noah realizes Gretchen knows about Claire's ability, it should say on this page "Noah says that he will call The Haitian and have her forget". See the difference? --Skullman1392 00:11, 10 November 2009 (EST)
  • FOR THOSE WHO APPARENTLY WERE'NT WATCHING THE EPISODE: CLAIRE CALLED HIM RENE LONG BEFORE THEY GOT IN THE ROOM WITH GRETCHEN. THERE WAS A BIG REVEAL AND YOU MANAGED TO MISS IT EVEN THOUGH JIMMY SMILED AND WALKED PAST THE CAMERA WHEN SHE SAID IT! :) At any rate, "The Haitian" IS an alias, and one that characters who seemingly know his actual name elect to refer to him as. This is his most common name. Change back. --Action Figure 13:00, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • Dude we watched it but she may have just said that sarcasticaly as she used that name in front of Gretchen so she wouldn't have to explain why she doesn't know his real name to her. I think we should wait for more than one episode confirmation of this.--WarGrowlmon18 13:29, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • You dont get it. She said it BEFORE they saw Gretchen. It was also in a spoiler WAAAAAY before this that they would be revealing it and it would be Rene. I've known for months. Its speculative to say it might NOT be his name. They gave no reason to think it wasnt. --Action Figure 14:46, 10 November 2009 (EST)
        • Yeah, JJ-Louis said that his name would be stated in the first half of the season. There's going to be 20 (remove if counts as spoiler) episodes max this season, so if there is no other name for it by next monday, then his name is René. But I do think the page should be named The Haitian, by the name he is most commonly called. --mc_hammark 14:50, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • I think it's cool we finally got to learn the Haitian's name. Claire clearly used it outside Gretchen's presence, so I'm pretty sure it is his name. As to what name we use for this article, I agree with Admin--for now, the article title should be changed back to "The Haitian". As, for most of the past episodes, he's been referred to as "The Haitian" and people in the story who knew him called him that. However, if the pattern continues, and everyone continues to now call him René in the next episode, then I think we should then change it back to René. HRG's case was different cause HRG wasn't what people who knew him referred to him as.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Too casual?

"Come on René". Is anyone else disappointed on how his name was finally introduced? I mean, there's nothing particularly wrong with their delivery but I'm just a little underwhelmed. No dramatic pauses, no build up, it wasn't even the focus of the scene. We've been waiting for his name for three seasons now and this is the best someone could come up with?--PJDEP 15:24, 10 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree. I was hoping that it would be better than this. :/ also, when the spoiler came out that this might be his name, I didn't like it. I don't think it fits him. But I agree with people above. He is most often called "The Haitian" and think of Niki. Her real name is Nicole. Same with Eden McCain/Sarah Ellis. It goes by the most common name. Please change it back! ~~IHH—Talk 17:19, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • What name were you hoping for? What would have been better? The point of the scene seemed to be that it didnt really matter what his real name was. It isnt THAT big a deal. Funny that the characters know that but the people in real life dont... :) --Action Figure 17:53, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't agree he's from the french spoken area in Haiti, so René is actually a reasonable name just like Claude or Henry, you name it :) -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 17:57, 10 November 2009 (EST)

To be completely honest, I thought Claire was making some sort of racial slur at first. This might just be my imagination but her tone seemed like one you would use with a dog. It took me a few seconds to realize that it didn't make any sense as an insult and that NBC never would have aired that anyway.--PJDEP 19:47, 10 November 2009 (EST)

  • Sylar's page isn't Gabriel Gray, it's Sylar. Everyone knows him as Sylar. Likewise, everyone knows "René" as The Haitian. Please change it back to something people will search for, and something where there won't be five thousand redirects that my OCD will force me to fix.--Uncanny474 23:09, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • "Sylar" is an alias. "The Haitian" is a descriptive term. If you search for The Haitian, this page will automatically appear. There aren't five thousand redirects--there are two legitimate redirects, and two obsolete redirects. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:53, 10 November 2009 (EST)
      • No, The Haitian is what he goes by most. How Claire got his name is beyond us, because everyone knew him as the Haitian. That is what they call him. Even in front of him, I do believe! No one would search for "Rene". Mainly because they don't know Rene. ~~IHH—Talk 07:10, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • When did he ever go by "The Haitian"? That's just what people called him (as a description). I can't think of any time that it was ever used as his name or as an alias. Just a description... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • Right. It IS a description, but it is also certainly an alias. They refer to him like that as a name. That is clear. The page should be changed back to The Haitian until they call him Rene every time. The fact that it is also a description is coincidence. Its no different than if Gabriel Gray had looked down at his watch and it said "White Guy". It would still have been his alias. In fact, specials who work for or are involved with the company seem to often go by aliases. Claude, Eden, The German (also a descriptor), The Constrictor (also a description, and the name of his particular type of power), Candice, Knox, and so on. Many different types of alias... all of them still aliases and their most common name. --Action Figure 10:57, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • I agree, I was completely bewildered when Claire revealed his name in that sort of nonchalant manner. She simply stated it as if we had known it all along. What I would've liked was some sort of encounter between the Haitian and someone who knew him from the past, with that someone saying something like "Why hello, René." That would've been much more satisfying. --Radicell 08:44, 11 November 2009 (EST)
          • Here's what I hoped for: Claire brings The Haitian to Grectchen to protect her, introducing him as the Haitian. She asks what kind of name is that, and asks him his real name. He answers, and tells a shocked Claire that everybody only needed to ask, and that is was very rude that they didn't.--Ratclaws 12:49, 11 November 2009 (EST)
            • HA!. That would have been good.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:53, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Consensus

I know this isn't for a real vote or anything, but just out of curiosity what do you guys want to see?--Piemanmoo 14:13, 11 November 2009 (EST)

The Haitian

  1. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 14:16, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  2. --mc_hammark 14:16, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  3. -- While a descriptive name, it was used so much to the point it became an alias, he's more commonly known as The Haitian. Only when people in general start calling him René, then I think we should move it to René. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:59, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • I don't want this to sound like a "challenge" or anything, because I honestly don't mean it to sound rude...but at what point would it be considered that René is his name? I mean when would it be considered that people started calling him René "in general"? After a certain amount of episodes? After a certain amount of times his name is said? After a certain number of characters say his name? Just curious...not trying to start an argument or anything. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:25, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • I would say after either a certain number of episodes he's mentioned as René or after a reasonable number of people call him René, whichever comes first. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:21, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • What numbers would those be? I guess what I'm wondering is when is the cutoff? For me, it's just once. If we know his name, that's all we need to move from a descriptive name to his actual name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2009 (EST)
          • Well he's only been called rene twice by one person. Why should we use a name he's hardly ever called over his well known alias. If we name him rene, then we have to rename sylar as gabriel gray. In fact I'd support that over this name change. I hate to sound whiny, but it honestly makes no sense to use rene over the hatian.Gamerelite1 20:10, 15 November 2009 (EST)
            • That still doesn't answer the question of how many times he would have to be called "René" for somebody to accept that that's his name. Incidentally, "Sylar" is an alias; "The Haitian" is a description. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2009 (EST)
              • The point that needs to come across is that while "The Haitian" is a descriptive term, it has been used to such an extent that it became his alias. And about those numbers, it believe they can be properly discussed afterwards, if this is moved back to The Haitian, no need to have two discussions, one which perhaps unnecessary if we do end up keeping the article as René, though I've given a piece of my mind on which numbers we should use. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:31, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                • "The Haitian" is only known as an alias among the fans, not among the characters on Heroes. In the Heroes world, he is either known as René, or the descriptive term "The Haitian" is used. I've never heard it used as an alias, except by fans. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2009 (EST)
  4. -- By Danko CH 15:03, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  5. --Gibbeynator 16:00, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • I will believe that Rene is his name when he himself says that is his name. An offhand comment by Claire based on what she possibly read in a potentially fake passport doesn't do it for me.--Gibbeynator 07:15, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • The fact that Claire's first mention of the name was offhand only supports the fact that that's his name--she used it casually, as though she has known it for some time. But she later used the name very formally, introducing him to her friend. However, the question is not whether his name is actually René or not--that's been established by its use. The question here is whether we should call the page "The Haitian" or "René". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  6. --~~IHH—Talk 16:17, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  7. --Skullman1392 16:32, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  8. ----Yoshi n1 17:29, 11 November 2009 (EST) It just came out of no where, the name René. If his name would reveal it would be a little bit more classy. but Jimmy did stated that his name would reveal this season. and its just like Sylar, his real name is Gabriel Gray but everyone knows him as Sylar.
    • Are you saying that if his name were revealed in a less casual way, it would make a difference as to what this page was called? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  9. --Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 17:31, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  10. --Boom D  17  17:36, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  11. --Whizzles 18:59, 11 November 2009 (EST) Same reason as the Sylar/Gabriel Gray scenario. If they start referring to him all the time as René, then maybe I'll change my mind. But for now I say we keep it as The Haitian.
    • Can you define "all the time" please? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • What I meant by "all the time" was if, say, the name "The Haitian" more or less drops from common use and he is almost always referred to as "René" instead. Like, a similar ratio to the usage of "Sylar" and "Gabriel Gray" -- sure, his name is Gabriel Gray, but almost everyone calls him Sylar almost all the time, you know? --Whizzles 22:26, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • I think if people that know him such as Noah, Angela, Claire and any others call him René multiple times (in the way stated above) but why would Noah still call him The Haitian if he knew his name? Even Angela called him The Haitian. To me this suggests that Claire is the only one that knows his name. He is most commonly known as The Haitian. --mc_hammark 06:41, 14 November 2009 (EST)
  12. --Barbedknives (talk) | 19:03, 11 November 2009 (EST) In the Naming Convention page under Special Considerations it lists the following criteria for nicknames: "Nicknames and full names: Characters should be listed by the name they use regularly. Formal names can be noted in the infobox." The Haitian has been referred to as such by every single character in all four seasons except on one or two occasions in one episode.
    • Has René ever called himself "The Haitian"? If he has, then I would support calling this page by the nickname that the character uses, as is stated in the naming convention. However, if the term has solely been used by other people (as a descriptive term), then I don't think that the "special considerations" section of the naming conventions would apply here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  13. -- Rename him back, he's a lot like Eden, Candice and Sylar. AltesUTC CH
  14. -- He has been refered to as 'The Haitian' by people like HRG and Angela, who have known him for years, which is tantamount to his consent to the name. Rename back. --- (EvilMaldini) 21:18, 15 November 2009 (GMT)
  15. -- Obviously we should change him back. Why one earth would we use a name we've heard twice over a name used every single time previously. We didn't change his name to "euro dude" when he was called that.
    • How is that obvious? The only thing that is obvious is that there is a lot of debate about the issue on both sides. But to answer your question, the reason we would use a name we've heard twice is because it's his name. "The Haitian" is not his name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2009 (EST)
      • How about if we renamed him back to the Haitian just now, and then, if a couple of people who have worked with him or know him call him René, we can name him that. Just as he has never called himself the Haitian, he has never called himself René. --mc_hammark 03:42, 16 November 2009 (EST)
        • OK, so now Peter has also referred to him as Rene. Looks like the writers have made their choice. (Evil Maldini)--- November 17th, 2009, 02:45 (GMT)
          • But nathan almost immediately afterward called him the hatian.Gamerelite1 21:08, 22 November 2009 (EST)
            • Actually, it was Sylar, not Nathan. There's no evidence that Sylar would know his name. But beyond the murky world of "Is it Sylar? Is it Nathan?", the character is acceptably called both "The Haitian" and "René". That's established. However, one is a name, an one is a descriptive term. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2009 (EST)

René

  1. -- If I was simply known as "The American" for awhile and my name was revealed, I'd much rather be called by my real name rather than the descriptive title indicating where I come from. Besides "The Haitian" kind of sounds offensive, I mean it works when you don't know his name. But it would be offensive to keep referring to him as "The Haitian." I just don't see the point on leaving it as "The Haitian." I strongly agree with Ryangibsonstewart in this case. "The Haitian" is as much of placeholder as "Trevor's Ability." What if a certain ability is called "That one dude's ability" and for a few seasons that's what the ability is called on the show. And then in Season 4 it's revealed that his ability is actually "Telekinesis" we wouldn't leave it as "That one dude's ability" would we? And no matter what you argue this is a much different case than Sylar. Sylar refers to himself as Sylar. However "The Haitian" was a name given to Rene because they didn't know his name. Would we be arguing this much if he wasn't referred to "The Haitian" constantly but "The dude from Haiti who can erase people's minds and prevent people from using their power" --Dman dustin 14:21, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Still, if people were referring to you constantly as "The American" because they didn't know your name, and you never corrected them on it or showed any signs of having a problem with it, it is essentially your nickname. It's the same thing with the Haitian.
      • Another problem is, "The Haitian" is too vague, anyone from Haiti who doesn't reveal his/her name could be known as "The Haitian", the difference with other characters, Think of it this way "Sylar, Candice, and Eden are true proper names because their specific. While yes "The Haitian" may specifically refer to "Rene" it's a lot more broad and could easily cover anyone. For example while I may be known as "The American" if Claire, or any characters from America were to go to a different country they could just as easily be referred to as "The American" However Rene is specific enough that it may only refer to a few selected people (should there be multiple characters with the same name) as opposed to a descriptive title which is broad enough to cover anyone from Haiti. Sylar, Candice, and Eden don't have that problem because they only refer to very specific characters, even if there's more than one Sylar/Candice/Eden. --Dman dustin 16:46, 15 November 2009 (EST)
        • If any other Haitian character shows up we can simply list them like Haitian (I) and so on, there are Haitians and there is The Haitian. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:24, 15 November 2009 (EST)
  2. --Ratclaws 17:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  3. --Calling him "The Haitian" is just one step up from calling him "The Black Guy". It's slightly offensive. --PJDEP 17:27, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Thats nonsense, there was a girl called redheaded girl thats offensive to? and The german..--Yoshi n1 17:39, 11 November 2009 (EST)
      • Sorry, I was joking. However, I still think it should remain René.--PJDEP 20:02, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  4. --René is his name, period. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:07, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Actually, it's also important to note: Sylar calls himself "Sylar". Knox called himself "Knox". The Haitian has never called himself "The Haitian". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:09, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  5. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk)
    • René is his name. "The Haitian" is a description. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  6. -- His name is René. We changed HRG to Noah immediately, as we should here. --Riddler 18:09, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • --And who calls him HRG on the show? No one has. They might've called him "guy in the horn-rimmed glasses", but he was never called "HRG" or "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" ~~IHH—Talk 18:13, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • --West called him HRG a few times. Additionally, as I said above, René never once referred to himself as "The Haitian". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:29, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • No but he never objected to it either. We can't assume he didn't like the name just because he never refered to himself by it. It's not like Sylar who has clearly stated his dislike of being referred to as Gabriel Gray. It's purely speculative.--- EvilMaldini--- November 16th, 2009, 11:59AM (GMT)
      • Knox also called him old horn rimmed glasses or something to that extent during the bank hiest episode. --mc_hammark 14:13, 16 November 2009 (EST)
  7. -- Well, since Peter also seems to magically know his name, I guess name in the article should be René. I'm not all happy with how they revealed it though. Did René spend volume 4 going around offscreen telling everyone his real name? -- TITO | 13:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC+1)
    • I'd keep in mind that Claire and Peter (who are the only ones so far to call him Rene; I believe), each shared an occasion with Rene aside from a passing scene together. Claire was taken by Rene after he shot Noah (and was taking her to France), and Peter helped against Rene's brother. Surely the time they spent together would've yielded his real name (offscreen, Heroes doesn't show everything), --Dman dustin 08:02, 17 November 2009 (EST)
  8. I don't think it matters if it's a description or not, since it was the name most people in the story referred to him by. And since he was supposedly mute, no one knew his real name, so he was forced to acknowledge "The Haitian". However, it looks to me like most people in the story that know him are now calling him René. So I think it's really a moot point now and we should keep with René as the name for this article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:23, 17 November 2009 (EST)

So tonights episode definitely only made the situation worse

He was called both rene and the haitian interchangeably. Now It's just confusing on what we should do.Gamerelite1 21:12, 16 November 2009 (EST)

  • Indeed. I also don't like this "we knew his name all along" crap. If this isn't sufficiently explained I will whine for hours.--PJDEP 23:49, 16 November 2009 (EST)
    • Why is this worse? There's the idea that the only person who called him "the Haitian" tonight (Sylar, in Nathan's body) probably never had enough interaction with René to learn his name. But besides that theory, I think it's perfectly logical that some people refer to the character by his name (René), and some by his description (The Haitian). I'm not sure what's "worse" about it. If anything, having other characters call him by his name only solidifies the notion that his name is known to those in the world of Heroes. It was only the audience who never knew his name. Nothing wrong with that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:22, 17 November 2009 (EST)
      • ^alias --Action Figure 07:21, 17 November 2009 (EST)
        • I am unaware of any time that any character has used "The Haitian" as an alias. It's always been used as a descriptive term. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ah, but if they knew his name, why not call him René, why The Haitian. --mc_hammark 14:33, 18 November 2009 (EST)
            • Because the writers were keeping his name a secret. But even from an in-world standpoint, we don't always use a person's name to refer to them. We often use descriptive terms to refer to people. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2009 (EST)
              • But isn't that offensive though? I mean if you know someone's real name and yet you keep calling them by a descriptive term that the person themselves aren't referred by (as in Rene saying "I am The Haitian") isn't that offensive/ or considered an insult. I have a few examples, but I'm not sure I want to put them down, since one is extremely offensive, and one kind of refers to an anime (and probably is irrelevant). --Dman dustin 12:07, 20 November 2009 (EST)
  • What I love is that even though we're arguing about it, the article was just moved like that with no discussison whatsoever, behind everyone's back, and still remains moved to Rene. If we're seriously discussing whether something needs to be moved, it should stay reverted to its last state before a decision is made. Otherwise it's pretty much been decided by whoever made the page move. Consensus what? - Barbedknives (talk)19:49, 22 November 2009 (EST)
    • I moved the page. I didn't do it behind anybody's back, I did it completely out in the open. The move is clearly logged under my name in the page's history. I moved it because according to our naming conventions, we use the name of the character rather than a descriptive name. The discussion on this page in recent days is about whether "René" is really his name, whether "The Haitian" is really an alias he uses, and whether this character fits under a "special circumstance". The page should follow the naming conventions, and only should be moved to something different if it's decided that it actually is a special circumstance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:28, 22 November 2009 (EST)
      • Well I think we've made an effective argument for it to be special circumstance. And the majority of people think the hatian works better. What is stopping us from changing it back?
        • Have we? I've mostly heard people positing that René is not actually his name (I haven't seen any validity to this theory) and that "The Haitian" is his alias (I've never heard it used as an alias). In fact, since Peter called the character by his name, there really hasn't been much discussion about the issue. My guess is that after Shadowboxing, people were upset by 1) the offhand way his name was revealed, and 2) changing an iconic character's name. But now that people are beginning to accept that this is his real name, and seeing that people within the world of Heroes call him by his first name (it's only the fans who use "The Haitian" as an alias), that they are accepting that his name really is René. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree with RGS. After Shadowboxing, I was against the change because he was called by the Haitian more than Rene. (Also a little iggnorancy because he doesn't look like a Rene to me and frankly I didn't like that name) But after watching BK, I liked the little click of hearing his name without disgust. And I think that he won't be referred to as The Haitian anymore and I am more easy going about him being Rene. ~~IHH—Talk 16:37, 23 November 2009 (EST)

It's just a name

As my freind Solid Snake says "A name means nothing on the battlefield." --Manwithnoname 06:24, 20 November 2009 (EST)

  • Likewise, my friend the Bard said, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:53, 20 November 2009 (EST)
    • Well someone transcedend would have say "A NAME IS A CLOAK OF LETTERS THROWN UPON A MAN. IT MEANS NOTHING"--Manwithnoname 11:31, 20 November 2009 (EST)
      • That spoony bard...--Riddler 11:37, 20 November 2009 (EST)

Other characters

What does everyone think about the following characters' names? Should the "the Haitian" bit change to "René"? Or stay as "the Haitian"?

My thought is that the friend articles should definitely be changed to "René". The other ones I'm fine with either way. --Radicell 06:45, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • I agree. It doesn't matter to me very much one way or the other, since the character was known as "The Haitian" back then...but if they get changed to "René's friend" or "René (explosion future)", I'm fine with that. But I don't really have much of an opinion one way or another about those articles. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:59, 23 November 2009 (EST)
  • Well, I realize that the friends can be changed to Rene's friends, but I can also see why not, because he was known as the Haitian back then. The future versions, I think should stay the same because of by them finding out his name might not've happened in these futures. It may be something he said recently and changed the future. the histories, I don't think should be changed because if someone just watching the show saw that, the name would be given away and I don't think that that is fair to them. ~~IHH—Talk 16:37, 23 November 2009 (EST)
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