Talk:Sylar/Archive 3

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Sylar will do good...

I think that Sylar (or Gabriel nowadays) will do some good. I base this on the scene with his mom. It showed compassion and warmth that bad guys don't really have traditionally. He draws stuff with her blood after killing her of course, but still. Also I wreckon it will be like a Darth Vadar moment, where before dieing he will destroy some other evil. --SomeoneImportant 20:38, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• Yeah... sure. He promised something like that to Alejandro. ;) --BloodyFox, 15:33, 9 Nov. 2007 (CEST)

I think we all hoped for him to do good, he has so much potential if he just resists his "hunger"--Autobot2 10:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

• Yes. I agree. We've seen him do this before, and he got so far. I'm sure he can do this again. Besides, we've already seen that he's capable of doing good in "I Am Sylar" when he sets Micah free, and that was after he returned to evil, so there's definitely a hint of good in him. --Spexile 20:09, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Illusion

OK, I haven't actually seen the incident, but I've read that Sylar attempted to steal Illusion from Candice. Apparently he didn't get it, whether due to damaging her brain when he killed her or some other factor (like her deceiving him into attacking an illusion instead of her true self) is unclear, and I'm further from knowing what happened than most of us. If anyone wants to try to clarify the incident... --Ted C 09:50, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

• I think the implication we're supposed to get is that at the moment, for reasons unclear, Sylar can't use ANY of his powers... From what we could see, he took Candice's brain and did his usual power-stealing thing, but he is unable to use Candice's power because he can't use any powers right now... Now, if he should ever be able to access his powers again, he will most likely be able to access Candice's power of illusion. I don't think his inability to use the ability is tied to how he took Candice's power, or her using illusion... it's simply the same thing that's stopping him from accessing his other powers (as I believe that Sylar hasn't lost the abilities; he just can't access them). Bohrok Awakener 13:19, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • That is almost certainly correct. But just to reiterate, we can't confirm that he successfully stole Candice's ability until we see him use it. The possibility exists, however slim, that he has lost the ability to take powers permanently, that because he did not have access to his powers when he killed her he now cannot gain her ability, or that he will never regain access to any of his abilities. Because of that, all we can say for now is that he tried to take her ability.--Hardvice (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Is there final conclusion on if Sylar's Intuitive Aptitude is still working? Are all his powers gone, or can he just not access them? I mean, if his Intuitive Aptitude isn't working, then would he still have been able to take Candices ability in the first place? Sigh, this is why they need to be clearer on how he obtains the powers. If everyone's power is different, one can assume he needs to use his Intuitive Aptitude to see how it works in the brain, then duplicate it. If it's not working, he can't duplicate the power. On the other hand, he might just be so used to it now, that he doesn't need to tap in to his ability...Confusing, no?Felixdakat (talk) 04:32, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
      • It seems likely that he sees how it works. Because he was under the impression that he had taken the power from her. He tried to use it, but failed. If he hadn't been able to understand it, he would have probably not tried to use it and would have been able to realize that he wasn't able to understand anything from her brain.Timiswatchingyou 17:19, 24 November 2007 (EST)
        • My theory on that whole thing was as follows - Peter had his powers suppressed by taking the "Haitian Pills" daily in his cell. I'm pretty sure Candice worked for the company, so she might have had access to them and been giving them to Sylar. He could have wised up to them, but not enough to get his powers back yet. Perhaps when they wear off fully, he'll be able to use Illusions. PsymonM77 14:12, 28 November 2007

My Feelings

I really don't believe that Sylar is the one who is going to be the real bad guy in this season, but HRG will end up coming out as a bad guy. Maybe thats why he gets shot... Just my speculation. You never know. Dean Harper 23:40, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

What I'd like to see

When Sylar's got his abilities back I have one scene in mind I'd like to see: There is a close-up on Sylar and you see him lifting his finger, using his telekinesis. Than he's to say something like: "Yes... now it's all mine!" (and you here these ticking sounds). The camera-perspective now changes and you see Sylar is making lunch and he just opened a tin can with some beans in it ^^ --BloodyFox, 12:47, 10 Nov. 2007 (CEST)

• I wonder if it's possible to telekinetically spread butter on waffles?--Hardvice (talk) 06:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)
  • I'd go with magerine, I guess it's easier to spread this on waffles than butter. --BloodyFox, 12:58, 10 Nov. 2007 (CEST)
  • I'd like to see Adam and Sylar team up. now that would be awesome. a spoiler from season three,Adam is supose to met a new friend

Levitation

Sylar managed to sneak up on Dale Smither without being heard even when she had enhanced hearing. Sylar says there were no footsteps which would point to the use of levitation. Perhaps this is another usage of Telekinesis or maybe another power... Dave 20:02, 13 November 2007 (GMT)

• I think they were intending on us believeing that he was just hovering himself around using telekinesis.--.Vault 10:24, 22 November 2007 (EST)

User: Well I'm Not sure but in my friend's fan fiction(if you have any ideas drop'em on by,or search for Nikko and check user to find out about the main protaginist.)we created a guy with the ability of levitation,but he could be using flight remember it's unknown were he go it from in explosion future.--Radiowarm2 18:54, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

A question

What would happen if Sylar took Mayas ability and Peter came into contact with Alejandro and absorbed his? IIRC Sylar doesn't know Alejandro has a power so he may not kill him. Or what If Sylar and Peter ended up having both powers? Would they be able to have total control over both powers? Meatydoughnut 16:15, 22 November 2007 (EST)

• Sylar does know about Alejandro's power. After first seeing Maya, he says something like "you both have powers" or something like that. --SomeoneImportant 18:42, 22 November 2007 (EST)
  • That's right. Peter would probably be able to negate Sylar's stolen ability if he held his hand.--Ice Vision 21:11, 22 November 2007 (EST)
    • I Can't see Sylar being that happy to hold Peters hand, can you???--rikku4president 21:42, 23 Feruary 2008 (EST)
• Sylar definitely knows Alejandro and Maya both have powers. Furthermore, he has made it very clear to Alejandro (who apparently doesn't speak English that well) that he intends to kill them both when he regains his abilities: I know you don't understand me, but I want to tell you why I'm helping you. It's that delicious power. You see, when I get my ability back, I'm going to kill you. And your sister. And I'm going to take it all. Timiswatchingyou 17:14, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • I didn't get that Sylar knows Alejandro has an ability at all. Sure, it may be true, but the above statement could just as easily be talking about killing both of them and taking just Maya's power. That's how I understood it when I heard it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • Like SomeoneImportant said, Sylar said "you both have power" after the whole Derek-ratted-them-out incident.--Ice Vision 17:53, 24 November 2007 (EST)
      • Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • He didn't take Alejandro's power because it would suppress Maya's power if he tried to use it.
      • Not really, he didn't take it cause it was useless, he knew Maya's ability worked both ways, so while Alejandro had an ability, it was something he knew he would be able to do with Maya's power, but until he got rid of the virus, no new powers for him, so Alejandro was pretty much disposable for him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:40, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Hiding in plain sight

I wonder if this is a power that should be added, as it seems he has used it at least twice. When he was a Primatech prisoner, he was able to be "invisible" in his cell when Noah came in and found the dead tech. And at the deserted Kirby Plaza, Peter expressly notes that Sylar may be "hiding in plain sight."

PaulP 11:47, 26 November 2007 (EST)

• Hey, PaulP. The explanation for that could range from dramatic effect to Sylar using telekinesis to remain somewhere close but out of sight (perhaps stuck to the ceiling of his cell like he did to Mohinder in his apartment). In any event before it could be called a power there would have to be concrete proof (i.e. We'd have to directly observe him executing the ability). Also do bare in mind that when Sylar attacked Peter in Mohinder's apartment Peter turned invisible and Sylar remarked that he couldn't wait to try out that power, so it doesn't look like he has any specific invisibility power quite yet. (Admin 11:55, 26 November 2007 (EST))
  • Good points! What I think Sylar may have, though, is not so much invisibility as an ability not to be seen, but you're right that there is no direct evidence of that, as opposed to, say, an ability to TK himself out of sight lines, like West does. Then again, I don't think there is any direct evidence of "electromagnetism," either, but that's a whole other debate! PaulP 13:15, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • An ability to not be seen, that isn't invisibility? sounds like SEP --Max 20:20, 14 December 2008 (EST)
• It could be that Sylar has an ability that makes him 2-D so that people cannot see him unless at a certain angle. --Mc hammark 09:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Full Name?

I know everyone knows him as Sylar but just looking around the sight everyone has a full name and i was just wondering why we had Sylar instead of Gabriel Gray? I think we should have him named Gabriel Gray and under nicknames have it be Sylar... i think its just better fit for a website looking more professional each day.

• We name (most) articles by what the role is credited as. Zachary Quinto is credited as Sylar, thus this article is named Sylar. Also, even though his real name is Gabriel, he calls himself Sylar, another reason for this article name. Same with Niki, who's full name is Nicole, and DL, who's full name is Daniel Laurence. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 14:08, 1 December 2007 (EST)
  • Or "Eden McCain", whose real name is Sarah Ellis. To clarify, though, it's less to do with how they're credited and more to do with what name they use or are best known by--particularly since only guest stars are credited with a character's name. See Help:Naming conventions.--Hardvice (talk) 14:13, 1 December 2007 (EST)
• Sylar will always be "Sylar."--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 09:23, 6 December 2008 (EST)
• Considering Virginia wasn't his biological mother and "Gray" is his adoptive surname, it's probably no better to use than "Sylar" at this point. Still, I agree with Gaarmyvet. Revengeance 09:31, 28 January 2009 (EST)
• 'Gray' is also his biological last name. He was adopted by his uncle. --Syl ar 19:04, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Power To Heal?

At the end of episode Powerless, Sylar is injected with the cure for the disease. This same cure was injected into Maya, and her gun wound healed due to Claire's blood being in the cure. So, does Sylar now have the ability to heal himself like Claire? - Haro 09:55, 4 December 2007 (EST)

• No, just like Nathan and Noah don't. He has to examine the brain of the person to see how it "ticks" remember. I'm guessing the reason the blood works is because after the Claire blood has circulated a few times the blood cells begin to die and are replaced with normal ones. --SomeoneImportant 14:25, 4 December 2007 (EST)

• Nathan several months after he was injected with adam's blood he did not heal after he got shot. so this idecates that Noah,,Sylar and Nathan don't have Claire's power. i go with what someoneimportant said.

Like father, like son...

I just got back from the post office with my four-year-old. He said, "Dad, I love getting the mail." (?) I said, "Well, who doesn't?" He thought a moment and said, "Sylar." (??) I'm so proud. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2008 (EST)

• Baha, raisin' 'em well, I see. -- Lulu (talk) 17:32, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Angela Petrelli

Is it certain that Angela Petrelli is Gabriel Gray's biological mother? -Lөvөl 02:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

• As sure that Virginia Gray was his mother initially. I would say that Angela being Sylar's mother is more in line with what was stated from spoilers about a main character being adopted, and that he/she is related to another main character. --Bob (talk) 02:23, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I would wait before we commit to this being a biological relationship. Surely it will be discussed in more detail as the season progresses. At present, it's not clear whether Angela's claim to be Sylar's mother is literal or figurative. --Ted C 21:36, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
• Perhaps Angela will allow Sylar to Kill in exchange for his help, in turn making him the most powerful hero. --Retroarcade 14:35, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Based on the preview from the clip show, it looks like we could get an answer to this question next week.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Loss of powers?

I don't have the exact quote, but before Claire beans Sylar over the head with a trophy, he mentions that the virus caused him to lose all his previously-acquired powers, and that he'll restart his collection by adding Claire. The fact that he doesn't use any abilities other than telekinesis while apprehending Claire, even though they would have made it easier, seems to support that. He also doesn't use them when killing the Company agents that assault him on the street, or during his attack on Level Five. He probably would have if he could, seeing as freezing Elle before killing her would have prevented her from fighting back and thus kept him from getting recaptured.

As for why he still has telekinesis, that goes back to when he was first in Company custody and they said they could only find indications of telekinesis- somehow, that ability is hard-wired into his body the same way that his intuitive aptitude (or any other character's natural abilities) is, and it wasn't removed when the virus permanently disabled all his ill-gotten abilities. Either way, I'm pretty sure he specifically mentions losing his previously acquired abilities, and that much is clearer then his relationship with Angela Petrelli. Shouldn't the fact that he can't access any powers other than intuitive aptitude, telekinesis, regeneration and alchemy be noted under his "Powers" category? --Goji 06:29, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

• In as few words as possible, no. That's not what he said at all. From the episode, Sylar tells Claire in the scene you're referencing, "Here I am, fully recovered. Well, not fully. That's actually why I've come.....I want what you have, Claire. I want your power." There's a whole lot of nothing until he taunts her while she's in the closet. "You see, I lost everything that made me special. Lost, but now found. There's a shopping list of abilities here, but I'm going to start with the best, and once I have yours (stab)." Then he pins and dissects her, but no word of Sylar's ability/abilites. "Lost, but now found" would imply that he recovered all of his "lost" abilities when he took the cure for the Shanti virus, which would mean this page is where it should be, or better yet, where intuitive aptitude should be, since this page is about the character, not his ability.--Bob (talk) 07:16, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Actually, I was under the impression that he needed Claire's power to regain his other powers...the reason I say this is it seems similar to how Peter used his healing ability to repair his memory. Surely since Peter healing his memory allowed him to remember what powers he had, maybe Sylar needed to do something similar.OUChevelleSS 00:17, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Sylar lost all his powers. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281.--Referos 21:11, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • If you read these chat transcripts with the writers you can see, that these guys make a lot of jokes. But I still tend to agree, that they were serious about this one. And if Sylar doesn't start using his other powers within the next couple of episodes, I would suggest to integrate this into the article as canon instead of just making it a sidenote.-- Spielor 21:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
        • As of the latest episode, I am become death, the future Sylar was able to paint the future and use Induced radioactivity. It appears he has all of his abilities, despite the shanti virus.
          • I read somewhere that he re-acquired induced radioactivity and precognition at some point in the future, and that he did lose his abilities (except telekinesis). --WeatherWitch 15:48, 2 November 2008 (EST)
• I really don't see how that's meant to make sense, especially since we've seen future sylar use his aquired abilities, also was he not using Enhanced Hearing when evesdropping on Bennet asking Canfield to kill him?Ehsteve23 04:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
• Canon (TV series) trumps semi-canon (graphic novels), but it's still worth noting that Sylar appeared to burn a man to death with induced radioactivity in a recent graphic novel.Varthonai 05:00 PM, 12 November 2008
• I think the ability used to destroy the man in the graphic novel was his newly acquired Sound Manipulation, and he wasn't using Enhanced Hearing because we would have been able to tell. I think he was using Intuitive Aptitude to work out what HRG wanted Canfield to do. --WeatherWitch 13:04, 13 November 2008 (EST)
• It looks much more like induced radioactivity, but it hasn't been confirmed either way, he couldn't use enhanced hearing cause he doesn't have it anymore, and Sylar has been shown to be smart enough to figure things out, no need of powers to connect the dots on what Bennet wanted Canfield to do. Intuitive Empath 15:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
• Unless his future self met two more evolved humans with pregognitive painting and induced radioactivity he can use all of his abilities once again, Telekinesis is just a power, it isn't hardwired into him. He may not have used freezing to subdue Elle in The Butterfly Effect because he was excited at the prospect of a new power and it didn't cross his mind. --12redref 12:16, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Inability to steal a power.

Should it be noted somewhere that once a body is dead, Sylar can't take an ability? The first example of Eden I'm sure is noted somewhere, but the more recent one of Bianca Karina isn't specified. He killed her first, then realized Gael was lying, then couldn't take Bianca's ability. Due to this, I removed the Alejandro "it is unsure if he went back" note. Thoughts?--Riddler 17:52, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

• I think this should go on the ability theft page, not this one. It's more pertinent to that article versus this, which is focused on the character.--Bob (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Peter Petrelli and Sylar

• So I was just thinking about this yesterday while watching the new episode One of Us, One of Them, what would happen if Sylar(Gabriel Gray) took Peter's powers? Would Sylar gain all the powers Peter has? Or would he just explode with having the same power?--Heroics
  • I think he would just gain Empathic Mimicry.Also, Sylar's power is not the same as Peter's.Sylar's power is Intuitive aptitude while Peter's power is Empathic MimicrySPARTAN-077 18:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
    • But remember when Sylar and Peter were fighting in one of the episodes of season 1 (forgot which one, but Mohinder was pinned to the ceiling in the scene) and when Peter turns invisible, Sylar says: "Interesting, I can't wait to try that one out." TheEvilNoob 17:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • From his method of stealing powers he would only get Peter's original power, however because on Claire's power peter would still be alive and so there for sylar would gain the same powers as peter but throught Empathic Mimicry rather than from him taking peters power with Intuitive aptitude. as for exploding from having the same power, not likly. peter has been in contact with his past/future self and has not exploded from the paradoxFishy 15:51, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
• Empaths cannot steal Empaths powers, the writers said so. --Max 20:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Peter has to think about claire to heal when Sylar beheads your dead without natural rapid cell regeneration so how could peter think if he's dead?--Radiowarm2 19:13, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Can Sylar take the powers of the dead?

I would think he couldn't, as Eden kills herself to stop him from taking hers. However, I don't think it was ever confirmed that he didn't end up getting her power (HRG says he has a 'silver tongue,' and also tells Hank that Sylar deserves to die for what he did to her (and I can't see him meaning simply pulling her through the glass window)). More importantly, Brian Davis' page says:

"Gray (as Sylar) then hits Brian over the head with a large crystal formation, killing him. It is unknown exactly what Gabriel does with Brian's body, or whether his brain is removed or not. However, Gabriel suddenly has the power of telekinesis after his altercation with Brian."

That would mean that Brian was dead, not dying (or is awkwardly phrased, meaning that it was the cause of his eventual death) before Sylar extracted his power, which implies that the person doesn't have to be alive for Syalr to do so. Could all of this together be an indication that Sylar actually does have Eden's power?Stevehim 20:46, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

• Eden splatters her brain into pieces with her gun, so I doubt there was much to examine. However, Bianca only had a twisted neck and Sylar just left her for dead. I'm not sure what was up with that. It could mean that Sylar has to cut the person's head open while they're alive in order to take their ability, but I'm not sure. That clasping(gasping?) sound Sylar made when Angela dragged open his mouth sounded pretty scary...--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:51, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

• Sylar has always had a "silver tongue"- look at the long list of aliases listed for him. It's part of his intuitive aptitude; he understands how to work people, not just their organs. As for Brian Davis being dead when Sylar got telekinesis from him, Sylar not being able to take Bianca's power after she died can probably be considered a retcon of that since it's more recent. Eden's brain was destroyed, and I think it was stated clearly several places that Sylar did not and could not take her power. --Goji 01:53, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Lost powers

• The latest CBR confirmed something I didn't realize (and can't say I fully understand), but after his bout with the Shanti virus he lost all the powers he aquired except for telekinesis. So we need to decide on the best way to represent that in the article and in the infobox. Currently powers he lost are marked with an asterisk, but I'm not a big fan of that approach really. Any opinions on whether we clear the ones he's lost from the infobox or whether we strike them out instead? (Admin 22:48, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
• Known Abilities: The ones he has. Lost/Past/Former Abilities: One's he's lost. <- That maybe?--Riddler 23:02, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I'd go more or less thusly: H3: Acquired. H4: Lost, linking to a note reffering to CBR. H3: Failed Acquisitions.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
• Come to think of it, how does that make sense that he lost everything, but just happened to get his good ol' TK back? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't quite get it either, but maybe he instinctively knows how it works as he's used it so often?--Riddler 01:28, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Which is the part I don't understand either. :) Maybe a wizard did it. (Admin 01:30, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
      • I think you hit the nail on the head. :O--Riddler 01:32, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Cause Sylar ingrained telekinesis into his DNA somehow (at least that's my theory). Bennet commented in S1 that based on the Company's testing, they didn't know how he had use of any of his other abilities besides telekinesis. I like SVD's format, but I would lose the failed acquisitions section (isn't that an oxymoron?).--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:34, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Failed Attempts, maybe? Or Failed Attempts and Missed Opportunities (Eden and Bianca I'd considered missed.)--Riddler 01:36, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I don't think it needs to be in the infobox at all. It's in the article; the infobox should be concise which is why I'd advocate clearing them out entirely (or striking them out). (Admin 01:37, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
        • I think somewhere in this discussion we forgot that it was about the infobox. I did. :x--Riddler 01:39, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • That's ok, I forgot I mentioned the article and not just the infobox. :) (Admin 01:44, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
• but in this promo,future sylar can foresee?--我爱sylar大人! 01:52, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't want to watch any spoilers, but if it's for a future episode then it's always possible he takes the ability from someone else... we have a couple of living precogs left for Sylar to feed from. (Admin 02:06, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
• Are the answers given on CBR considered canon? I know it's the writers, but some of what they say is clearly in jest, and some seems to contradict the show (eg - Nobody is immortal, decapitation would kill them (and Sylar is messing with Claire's head), whereas Angela tells Noah Sylar can't be killed, and Sylar makes the same comment he made to Claire to HRG).Stevehim 22:34, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The content of the CBR responses are not canon. They are, at best, somewhat credible sources. The information from the writers (at CBR or in any interview, really) is good information that helps us be informed, but should not be considered official information. See Help:Sources for more information. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:51, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • In that case, should we really assume Sylar has lost his acquired powers (save TK) to the point of stating it all over his infobox?Stevehim 22:55, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yes, I think Sylar implied it when he was talking with and operating on Claire in order to stop himself from bleeding to death. The BTE just confirmed it. Also, being a less credible source doesn't mean we disregard it to the point of not using it. We do note where the source came from; we only don't use something that came from the writers like that if there's conflicting information.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
        • No, we shouldn't print it all over the infobox. I definitely think we should use the information, but it belongs in the Notes section, as any information from interviews does. Right now it looks pretty stupid and confusing--there are stars all over the page that don't mean anything and don't have any explanation. And the infobox is not a place for quoting sources. The infobox should be returned to the way it was, and all explanations of Sylar's lost powers should be put in the Notes. We use the information, but we don't assume that it's canon just because it was said by some writers answering fan questions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Agreed. The information should appear under notes, but the bit under the powers section should be removed until it is confirmed by canon. Stevehim 23:36, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • It is canon that Sylar was not able to use his abilities while under the effects of the Shanti virus. We've known that since last season. Can we compromise and simply split the list of gained abilities to those before Shanti virus exposure, and those gained afterward? I don't think there's any speculation implied in doing so, and the interview information can remain in the notes section of the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Sylar having lost his abilities is confirmed canonically already, he said it in the episode. I, and possibly others, just assumed he meant temporarily, however the confirmation from the writers shows that he did lose them permanently. This isn't a case where we don't have a canon source for the info, it's a case where we DO have a canon source that was clarified through an interview. We have and should change the article to reflect that he currently does not have the abilities he obtained prior to contracting the virus. This means making some change to the infobox since it reflects the current state of a character. What that change is specifically is still to be determined. (Admin 23:47, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
          • I suppose that's true, although he did misspeak in the episode (assuming I correctly guessed the quote you meant). In The Second Coming he says: "You see I lost everything that made me special. Lost, but now found. There's a whole shopping list of abilities right here. But I'm gonna start with the best. And once I have yours..." The problem with that, is that he's actually not correct in that it discounts telekinesis, which he has regained and which definitely makes him special (indeed, that is the power he used to convince Chandra he was special), as well as his original power of IA. However, I guess it, coupled with the interview, is enough to warrant change. My main problem stems from how much to trust CBR overall, as the immortality comment seems to clearly contradict canon.Stevehim 00:07, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I think the information is great, and it should definitely be on the article. But there are a bunch of stars next to power names in the infobox, and even after having read the CBR article, I have no idea what they mean (though I'm sure I could take a minute to figure them out). Imagine what the lay reader must think. The infobox needs to be changed in a way that explains what we're talking about. And since the infobox is already so long, wouldn't it make sense to, at the very least, put links on the asterisks that jump to the note about the CBR comment...And the whole thing about telekinesis being retained is odd, and it we should make sure we're not speculating about it on this page (which I don't think we are). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
              • Indeed, that's why I suggested a compromise to split the gained powers list in the infobox to those before and after Shanti virus exposure. I don't see any speculation in that, we have a good reason to do so, and it would be clearer than just putting note-linked stars next to each ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:05, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
          • In The Second Coming, Sylar appears to display a chameleon/hiding in plain sight power. We see him walk across the kitchen behind Claire, and the camera (Claire's persepctive) immediately pans across to the corner he walked to, and he is not visible. Since we can't confirm he received the chameleon power we saw him take from the deleted episode in season 2 (and if he did, he'd have the superskin so he couldn't have been shot/stabbed), doesn't this mean that he either acquired something we don't know about (similar to the note about having 14 powers) or didn't really lose all of his powers permanently? The only other explanation I see being viable is he used TK to levitate to the ceiling, but Claire's peripheral vision should have picked thatup, so I find it very unlikely.Stevehim 01:22, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

can't he call the powers that he lost by doing it empathicly. (50000JH)

He's probably able to recall only abilities he acquired empathically. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:21, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Unknown powers

In Kirby Plaza, after Sylar is stabbed, he has flashes of events in his eyes that have thus far been classified as Precognition. These events all took place in the past (some in the distant past), so shouldn't this be another power, as precognition applies only to future events?

In The Second Coming, Sylar walks behind Claire to a corner of the kitchen. The camera (Claire's Perspective) pans immediately to that same corner, but Sylar is nowhere to be seen. If he was using TK to float to the ceiling, Claire's peripheral vision should have picked that up. It seems more likely he has some sort of chameleon ability, but we've been told he lost all his abilities from the first season (wasn't there an implied 'hiding in plain sight' ability in S1?) due to the Shanti virus, and the powers he gained in the deleted episode in Season 2 cannot be applied because: A. The episode was deleted and B. If he has that power, he'd have the superskin power, and HRG's bullets would probably not penetrate his skin.

Also, was he interferring with the phone in The Second Coming? If he'd simply cut the line, there wouldn't be static.

Sumup:

1. Are the flashes in his eyes at Kirby Plaza something other than precognition?
2. Does he have some chameleon power (and a power to disrupt electronic signals) and, if so, where did he get it?
3. Are these simply inconsistencies/mistakes in the show (and should we put them in the notes section)?
4. Are these indications that the writers are messing with us and he really does have all his powers?  ;) Stevehim 00:25, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

• 1. My thoughts: Precognition can see the past if it's being altered by a time traveler; 2a. no chameleon power, just simple TK hovering; 2b. no electronic power, he just pulled out the cord. She has a wireless handset so she got static; 3. no, best not to speculate; 4. no, Sylar flat out said he was starting over and the writers confirmed it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
  • 1. Please clarify.
    
  • 2a. The ceiling was pretty low...you could almost see it in the shot.
    
  • 2b. Fair enough
    
  • 3. Ibid, though I still think they are at least inconsistencies or us being misled.
    
  • 4. I didn't feel Sylar's comments were that clear (for a number of reasons...saying he lost 'everything that made him sepcial' when he still has his most special ability, saying 'and here I am fully recovered...well, not fully..that's why I'm here, etc), but I'll accept that's the route they plan on going.  :) Stevehim 00:55, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
    • 1. Isaac foresaw that Hiro would visit the past. He was seeing Hiro's future, so that's ok.
    • 2a. Sylar moved pretty fast. It's supposed to be semi-dark so you can't see that much, and if the perspective isn't right you can blame the wizards: cinematographer/special effects (though myself, I thought they did a good enough job; you're just looking too closely ;)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:45, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
      • 1. But what about Sylar's eye visions of the past when he was stabbed? Shouldn't that fall under something other than Precognition (and be noted or changed from where it is now)?
      • 2. I am always willing to accept 'a wizard did it,' and would never call Heroes the worst...show...ever, so we're all good on that front (though I do still find TK'ing to the ceiling suspect).  :) Stevehim 05:28, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
        • 1. That's what I'm saying: Sylar's eye visions may not have been of the past. I can also accept that since that the effect was part of the end of the S1 finale, it was mainly for show.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:06, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
          • 1. But they were images of things Hiro would have no knowledge of and weren't around for, so it couldn't really be Hiro's future (unless you mean that because Hiro visited the past, everything after 1671 is the future?). Stevehim 19:37, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
• I think you're looking into this too much. Sylar's visions were basically his life flashing before his eyes, ever since he became Sylar, so the deaths of people were all he saw, since that was his new life. It was also supposed to be ironic. As for his disappearing act? I think that was just an effect meant to increase the tension of the scene. Like his altered voice in one episode... people thought it was persuasion, but it was just for aesthetics. And the phone line is most likely just a gaff. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Lost Abilities Note

It says under notes the following:

According to a response in the Sept. 30, 2008 Behind the Eclipse CBR Q&A, Sylar lost the previous abilities he had gained, except for intuitive aptitude and telekinesis, due to his exposure to the Shanti virus and had to start over in gaining other abilities. The lost abilities include freezing, enhanced memory, melting, enhanced hearing, precognition, and induced radioactivity.

That was just proved wrong with Sylar going nuclear over the death of his son. --Snow Leapord 21:36, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

• Who's to say he didn't reacquire it from another nuclear human?--Riddler 21:40, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
• It's also possible that at some point between present and four years later, he finds a way to restore his lost powers. It could still be possible that he's lost them in present time. --Goji 21:45, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
• While both of those are possible, I don't believe it for now. --Snow Leapord 21:46, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree ... Sylar not losing his powers is, in my opinion, the most non-speculative explanation we can come up with ... Aren't episodes canoner than interviews anyways ? --LeoChris 21:54, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree as well. Plus, what the producers/writers have stated in interviews have sometimes been inconsistent, anyway... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:44, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I've made the statement under "Acquired abilities" a bit more ambiguous for now. I, too, think he probably has all of his acquired powers, although he may be having trouble manifesting them for now. --Ted C 10:22, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It's possible that Claire's blood has overwritten any lingering effects of the virus and that we just haven't seen present Sylar using his other abilities --Matchu 05:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Or maybe, a specific formula helped him gain abilities he has lost... since it was given to the public.--Pbmarcano 15:30, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Perhaps Sylar will use his own power on him self, through concentretion, to regain his lost powers or maybe he just needs to think of the sensation he gained from each power he used to have. Halfbreed1426

Sylar not a half-brother

I just noticed on the Peter Petrelli (exposed future) article someone removed the half-brother notation beside Sylar. Has it been proved that he is not a half-brother anywhere?

It hasn't been proved that he is a half-brother, so I removed it anyway. There's no evidence that Angela had an affair - well at least one that brought Sylar into the world - so for now we can assume Sylar is a biological Petrelli. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:43, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

• We don't assume he's a Petrelli, we just note that he's a brother. Right now it doesn't matter if they're half brothers or not, they still share a mother. We just don't note that Angela had Gabriel with Arthur, because that's possibly not true.--Riddler 23:45, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Right, I kind of phrased that wrong.... But my point still stands, there's no proof that he's a half-brother, so that's why I removed it in the first place. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:46, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Also, Gabriel of the future pointedly mentions Brothers, which while not "proof" supports the theory. --Matchu 05:51, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
      • A NBC promo for next week's episode says Arthur Petrelli is the father of three heroes (Peter, Nathan, Sylar) [1] - Cael 14:01, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Arthur and Angela both lied to him: he confirmed this with Sue Landers powers but he really is adopted: Angela said that and Sylar's newest power confirmed it. She knew who his real parents are but now that he's dead, I suppose we'll never know.

IABD & "hunger"

Removed the bit relating the "hunger" from the episode summary; felt that it was more suited to the abilities page (which it's already on) --Matchu 12:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Sylar eating an iPod

Somewhat misc. but I had to share.

(It's really a lookalike, but when I first saw it, I was like... !) --Torley 08:45, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

• Never compare that one again with Sylar, he doensn't look a bit like sylarWaterRatj 07:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar and Ted's power

Sylar has used Ted's power in the future, post Shanti virus. Therefore, where it says he has not been shown using it, it should be rectified accordingly.

• That'd be Gabriel Gray (exposed future) --Matchu 12:14, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
• Also in the graphic novel Viewpoints, when he burns one of the level 5 escapees

That's not confirmed yet, and if it is, the writers just punctured a major plot hole. Intuitive Empath 19:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)

• In an interview they said that Sylar acquired the ability to paint the future and induced radioactivity sometime between the present and I Am Become Death. In Viewpoints I'd have to guess that it was sound manipulation. In The Sting of Injustice we see that Jesse Murphy was capable of obliterating the exterior of a person's body with his scream, and it looks like Sylar does the same to Dennis. -- FlamingTomDude 12:37, 6 November 2008 (EDT)

Enhanced strength?

I know that the ability to lift the parking meter was attributed to telekinesis, but I'm in the midst of rewatching the first season, and it really seems like he was initially intended to have enhanced strength as well. He punches through the glass separating the front and back of Chandra's cab when he kills him (in Mohinder's dream in Seven Minutes to Midnight), and he liftes Jackie into the air with his bare hands before slicing open her head (the same way we see him use telekinesis thereafter) and backhands Claire with enough force to send her across the locker room and severely mess up her face (Homecoming). I suppose it's possible that he was using his telekinesis to 'strengthen' his actual hand, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Was it ever addressed in an interview? I know this probably isn't enough evidence to post it as an ability (though we do witness it onscreen), but is it worthy of being placed in the notes section (especially considering we do know, from his victims list, that he has powers that we never saw)? Stevehim 14:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

• From the article: "Based on Mohinder's statement to the authorities (Fallout) that at least six people from his father's list have been murdered by Sylar (prior to Zane Taylor), it's likely that Sylar has acquired at least fourteen abilities: the six Mohinder mentions, plus those of Zane, Dale, Isaac, Ted, Claire, Bob, Bridget, and Jesse." We know he killed a man simply known as David but not his power, we also know he killed James Walker but not his power. That means there is one victim that was killed we do not know the name of nor his/her ability. That is three possible sources for Enhanced Strength, assuming he has the ability.--Snow Leapord 22:43, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

In a interview, it was said that his apparent invulnerability back in season one, like resistance to blunt traumas and things like that were applications of telekinesis, it doesn't seem a stretch for him to use it to amplify his strength. Intuitive Empath 15:08, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

FBI Agent Andrew Hanson

Did anybody else notice that the name Andrew Hanson reminds you of FBI agent Audrey Hanson?! I watched the episode again and thought of our good friend from season 1 working the Sylar case!--Pbmarcano 20:13, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

• Yeah, I think the similarity was on purpose.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:42, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Place of birth...

When did we find out where Gabe was born? He lived in Queens, didn't he?--Nonredhead 12:02, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

• It's listed on his assignment tracker profile. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

"Gabriel Petrelli"

Sylar has never been known by this name. We don't know what Angela named him, or even if she did name him at all. We should avoid putting this name anywhere until we know that that was actually his name at one point. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:53, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Marking abilities as Lost in Infobox?

I know the interviews said the Shanti virus took everything away, and that the Mohinder+Claire blood injection only restored Intuitive aptitude and Telekinesis, but now that Sylar has stolen Rapid cellular regeneration, I would think he could heal back the remaining "lost" ones. This also explains why Gabriel Gray (exposed future) had Precognition and Induced radioactivity again.

That said, until my theory is proved or disproved, should the remaining "lost" abilities be noted as such in the infobox, as they currently are as of today? Or should that change be undone for now? GabrielPetrelli 17:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

• It's a good point, but there are two schools of thought. One is whether Rapid cellular regeneration heals physical wounds only, thus not restoring Sylar's lost abilities. Another is that it may "heal" lost memories and knowledge which would give Sylar's lost powers back. As for Gabriel Gray (exposed future)'s abilites that were thought lost, he may have absorbed them from somebody who had obtained them from the formula, or from somebody unknown who shared the ability with Ted Sprague. Mystery 04:43, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Since Rapid cellular regeneration let Peter "heal"/restore memories lost to the Haitian's Mental manipulation, I'm inclined to follow the second school of thought. I know technically Gabriel Gray (exposed future) could have gotten Precognition and Induced radioactivity from new, as-yet-unknown Evolved humans, but that seems like quite a coincidence. Maybe not with Precognition, since we now have Usutu, but for the radioactivity, it seems too coincidental. I hope they give us some more insight on the matter soon. :] GabrielPetrelli 16:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It does seem like quite a coincidence. I'd think he may have restored those lost powers, or at least how to use them, but he needs to probe his brain and unlock the memories. At the very least, we need more info. Mystery 09:33, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think the loss of his powers has anything to do with his memory, but rather changes in his genetic code. He would not be prone to memory loss, from the virus or even the Haitian, as he had Charlie's power. There was an interview that stated the Haitian couldn't wipe Sylar's memories because he had that power, iirc. --Stevehim 09:52, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
• On "Second Coming" he is talking with Claire.

"I saw Hiro Nakamura kill you. I was there." "And yet here I am. Fully recovered. Well... not fully. That's acctually why I've come" He's the one with the power of understanding, he seems to think that Claire's ability will restore his powers. It probably has done. I'm at least adding this to the notes section as a legitimate viewpoint. --Whap 16:53, 4 December 2008 (EST)

• Wasn't it confirmed that Sylar has only IA, TK and the ones he got this season by a BTE interview? I thought this issue was over with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Ability loss

What's this about Sylar only regaining some of his abilities? It is of course true that he hasn't manifested all of them, but since he regain some acquired abilities, wouldn't the logical thing to assume be that he have acquired all of them, until disproven? --Pierre 16:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

• Marking his abilities lost is based on statements from a producer/writer interview, I believe. --Ted C 16:18, 4 November 2008 (EST)
  • It was mentioned in a Behind the Eclipse interview that Sylar had lost all of his abilities except for telekinesis and intuitive aptitude due to his exposure to the Shanti virus.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar powers are not gone...

How did Sylar kill Dennis?

He used his Induced radioactivity... so... that power is not lost... and maybe, he still has all his powers. What do you think?

• Some think that Sylar used sound manipulation to kill Dennis. I don't think it's been confirmed one way or another. See here for the discussion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar's second ability

I'm rather confident that in the episode Villians Sylar will get his second ability, the one after obtaining Brian's telekinesis due to what i have seen in the episode promo. I'm also hazarding a guess that it will be the ability of freezing hence it's usage at the Walker residence. --ACDC1989 07:59, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Telekinesis

Why the hell does Sylar still have telekinesis? It's no different than any other stolen ability. Is there any explanation? Golden Monkey 17:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)

None the show has given so far. Intuitive Empath 17:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

The theory is that because Sylar used it so much, it's just become ingrained in his DNA so deep that not even the virus couldn't get it out... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:52, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I read in a recent interview that it was due to the emotional connection that came from killing for the first time and the guilt he felt for taking it.

Sylar uses Trevor's Power in Episode 10?

Take a look at this promotional still from episode 10: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SQo4Td3HXaI/AAAAAAAArNA/WTvAqrJ6qWw/s1600-h/NUP_132200_0023.JPG ... Look familiar? --Dumpster juice 18:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar's just pointing with his two fingers, that's how he channels his telekinesis, we've seen it a dozen times. Also, no need to post the same topic in two different talk pages. Intuitive Empath 18:42, 11 November 2008 (EST)

• my bad --Dumpster juice 21:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Gabriel

I wonder when we're going to have to start calling him Gabriel rather than Sylar? -- FlamingTomDude

When he starts screaming at people, "MY. NAME. IS... GABRIEL!!!!!!!!!!!" Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar - Not at full power?

Hi! I'm new here, and this is my first edit.

I was just wondering, is it possible that Sylar is still developing his powers, like all the other heroes? I mean, his power, intuitive aptitude, is basically the power to understand things, right? So, in theory, if he had full use of his intuitive aptitude, then he could understand the most complex of systems.

Case in point--Time Travel. Heroes obviously loves to mess around with the space-time continuum. Wouldn't someone with Sylar's powers know exactly how every single action everyone makes affects the future? And wouldn't he be able to shape his own actions to shape the future? So is it possible that he is still training his powers like the rest of the Heroes?

Everyone thinks Peter is the most powerful. But I think Sylar is. He can understand anything. And with understanding, comes the shaping of things.

Another intereting note that probably belongs elsewhere; is it possible that Exposed Future Peter thought Present-Day Peter needed Sylar's power to stop a repeat of the Butterfly Effect mentioned in the show of the same name?--Uncanny474 15:16, 14 November 2008 (EST)

A quote I remember sort of

I remember back in season 1, someone said after his attempt at taking Claire's (at least I think it was her)power it would have been his Xth power if he succeeded. I could have sworn it was posted in this article but I can't find it. If someone remembers it could you tell me the number or at least the episode it occurred in. --Snow Leapord 22:52, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Separating lightning?

I think their should be a note between lightning and sound manipulation about how Sylar didn't have to kill to acquire the lightning. We have a note about how he lost his previous abilities between those and his new ones, but now he is acquiring them in a totally new way. -- FlamingTomDude 12:58, 18 November 2008 (EST)

empathic mimicry?

Isn't this enough evidence to say that Sylar has empathic mimicry, and even that he's had it all along? Arthur says he can gain powers by using his empathy, which is essentially the same thing that Peter does, and almost exactly the same canon evidence we have for claiming Peter has that ability (empathic mimicry, iirc, was never a term used in the show). --Stevehim 01:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Is it possible that Sylar was able to retain TK, due to honestly feeling empathy towards the first guy he killed? How would he have gotten into his brain, without his normal slice and dice TK. (Besides the obvious).

Sylar felt horrible after he did it, and it is very possible that the empathy in that situation was enough to give him the power. It would also explain why it is his most used power, because, even though he has mentally snapped, he hasn't forgot about the murder, giving him a very strong link to the ability. Anomy 10:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Check out Behind the Eclipse: Week Seven on CBR :)

• I have to say that his empathy and aptitude are just the same thing with two aplications, he can either manifest it by studying the brain or take it by emotionaly connecting.--Halfbreed1426 (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Starkness

I just came up for a killer mini story. A guy discovers he has the ability to make himself super hard called starkness and he's enjoying himself then Sylar comes along and SPLAT! all you see is an old guy with no forehead lying on the ground.--Radiowarm2 19:20, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

It's still Intuitive aptitude

Sylar said "I understand now, you need to let it out..." even if he was talking about her bottled up rage, her emotion and guild was tied to her power(when mad her lightning was extra powerful, when attacked she went nuclear; Knox's power works directly with fear, Hiro wasn't very good using his power when doubting himself, etc), perhaps he understood how the power works through Intuitive aptitude and not by her presence( like how Peter gets them). Though Sylar needed more time understanding the power, he eventually got it, and perhaps being exposed to the power (a lot) helped. It would be repetitive if Sylar and Peter had the same power, but now that Sylar can learn powers by visually coping them, he is now a worthy archenemy to Peter since Peter was always one step further than Sylar.
But even if Sylar can duplicate a power now, he still needs to experience it or at least see it, understand the emotions involved and a little practice with it. I doubt he can duplicate biological powers like regeneration but he could duplicate perfect memory. he already has them so its no longer the case, but telepathy he may have trouble with...

If Sylar meets Peter (with his power back) then try to understand how to copy powers by presence alone, then yes, he and Peter would be the same in power.Discipol

Maybe Intuitive Aptitude and Empathic Mimicry are the same thing.

Even in the beginning it was stated the Sylar and Peter's power were two half's of the same coin. Only Sylar's worked with logic whereas Peter used emotion. I believe Sylar is starting to embrace his Emotional side, which would explain why he was able to used Empathic Mimicry. Which would mean they always had the same power, they just used it according to how their mind frame worked.

Granted, Sylar did say he understood how it worked, but he could be referring to empathy.- Rainman

• Makes sense, but I still don't think it's the same ability, if that was it, we wouldn't have been forced to watch Peter throwing himself of a building that many times, we would have gone straight for the hunger. I think that while different abilities, they have somewhat interchangeable characteristics and effects, much like telepathy with illusion and persuasion. Intuitive Empath 17:04, 18 November 2008 (EST)

While Intuitive Aptitude is very well defined, Empathic Mimicry is not. It is not clear how Peter's body or mind can copy/absorb powers by just proximity. If Peter gets the powers by emotion alone, he could copy any power without even meeting a person. Sylar's power is to understand how things work. Like a super learning machine growing while Peter is like a drop of water merging with other drops. The chick with the aura absorption is the same as the guys by your logic Rainman where Sylar works with logic/information, Peter with emotion and she with the soul. It is o easy for the writers to insert just a little piece of info; just some sentences to change from Intuitive Aptitude and Empathic Mimicry are the same thing or they are not. My vote is for no. 2 characters with the same power sucks as a plot. Discipol

• I think they explained Peter's power fairly well. Mohinder's comment explains what happens to his DNA when in proximity to other evolved humans. We also have many other characters who have the same abilities. --Stevehim 17:56, 18 November 2008 (EST)
• Sylar absorbed intuitive aptitude from another character. Both Sylar and Peter have empathic mimicry, but intuitive aptitude is a completely different ability, and that's the ability Sylar unlocked first. Two cents. --DocM 17:57, 18 November 2008 (EST)
• If Sylar has Peter's empathic mimicry, then he has all the powers peter had including rapid cell regeneration from Claire. Peter didn't turn it off like he does other powers (like radioactivity) maybe he can't turn off some powers. It still sucks ass if Sylar has the same power as Peter.......Discipol
• Well to be fair, Peter did absorb Intuitive Aptitude already. Maybe this is their attempt to even them out. It wouldn't be the first time siblings had the same ability, look at Meredith and Flint. -Rainman
• We've only seen this new power aspect once, and Sylar did feel bad for what he did to Elle. Maybe he needs to UNDERSTAND how people feel before he takes their power. Gibbeynator

• I have to say that his empathy and aptitude are just the same thing as his 'father' said, 'you have had this ability all along' meaning that there are different aplications, he can either manifest it by studieing the brain or take it by emotionaly connecting. plus his control index is only 75 persent or so, meaning that he could find other ways to take powers.

New BTE

They specifically say that Sylar's and Peter's abilities aren't different. Should it be changed now? -- FlamingTomDude 2:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

• Should what be changed to what? Sylar's ability should stay as intuitive aptitude since that's what his assignment tracker profile says. Are you saying that Peter's ability should be changed to be the same thing? Or are you saying that the two power pages should be edited to say that the two powers are very similar? (That's what I got from the BTE.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:15, 25 November 2008 (EST)
  • What I got from that issue is that what Sylar did in absorbing Elle's ability is no different than Peter's ability. Thus, he manifested Peter's ability without realizing that's what he had done.--MiamiVolts Hmm i know i shouldnt be talkin 'bout it on main space but my friends gave Luna a type of intuitive aptitude were she didn't have to kill to get an ability to use it but instead understands it by being in a room with the ability's evolved human,we called it Ranged Intuitive Aptitude its possible that its not fake anymore and sylar has developed this.--Radiowarm2 19:28, 13 March 2009 (EDT) (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)
• Yeah I mean the Behind the Eclipse states that the way Peter and Sylar have acquired abilities is not different. This is an interview by the writers, is it not? Shouldn't this new information outdo the AT? We have it straight from the source that Sylar has Empathic mimicry. -- FlamingTomDude 3:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)

• The writers can call it Cheese Absorbtion for all I care. The clock sound we hear is a distinct element in ability absorption. Sylar himself described his ability to Peter when he taught him how to use it. Peter and Sylar are not so different. Both need to prove to someone what they are worth. Sylar was just a clock repairman, Peter a nurse. An inferiority complex? Maybe. But Peter never manifested the Hunger until intuitive aptitude was made clear to him. Again, it would SUCK if Peter and Sylar had the same power, even if they are two sides of the same coin bullshit. The girl who steals powers from aura absorption or Arthur's ability( whatever it maybe ) keeps the SUPER superpowers diverse and interesting. I wouldn't mind see a Visual mimicry evolved human that copies powers by sight alone. Or maybe someone that thinks/invents a power and manifests it (sloppy at first until mastering it). Diversity is gold.--Discipol (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)
  • Check out Talk:Mimicry for some thoughts I had on this matter. Ricard Desi 16:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, without diversity, we'd still be amoebas. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)
• It all comes back to Linderman's Speech on Happiness and Meaning. Peter doesn't care for detail, he sees a power, he takes the power. Sylar sees a power, he has to kill the owner, go deep into their brain and take it by force but is much better at using it than Peter will be and feel guilty about the murder for a while. They could probably both manifest each other's powers if they concentrate enough, as Sylar has already done.--Whap 16:46, 4 December 2008 (EST)

What BTE was this in? I hate it when people say there's a BTE that proves them right, but they don't provide a link to them.--ERROR 23:19, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Cause then we'd have a ton of links to the same site in one page, just go to the interview page of this wiki, links to all BTEs are there, just look for the one whose date is closest to the date the first comment in this section was made. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Parentage

Well, as of "The Eclipse, Part 2", it seems that the identities of Gabriel's parents are in doubt. Noah claims that Angela and Arthur aren't really his parents; they're just playing on his issues with parental approval. Given that, should we update his infobox? --Ted C 14:59, 3 December 2008 (EST)

• Given last night's episode, we know that Arthur wasn't his father. However it's still in the air whether Angela was his mother. --Matchu 19:14, 9 December 2008 (EST)

name

hey, something that's always bugged me is the origin of sylar's name. yes, i know he got it from the watch, but the first time we heard it, elisa thayer/audrey hanson said that sylar was the last words of a dying victim. why would sylar have left a victim alive, and how would the FBI have got to them in time? what kind of situation do you think this occurred in? - Tristan0709 17:38, 4 December 2008 (EST)

• Sylar only takes the brains of people he believes to have special abilities; he has killed other people who got in his way by various other means. It's not that unlikely that one of these "bystanders" survived long enough to mumble "Sylar" to an emergency responder. --Ted C 17:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)

What if Sylar simply mimics Intuitive Aptitude?

Has anyone considered that could be a possibility perhaps through random customer that came by Sylar absorbed the ability and because of his profession he simply developed that ability more than empathy? Horrorman 10:32, 4 December 2008 (EST)

• Possibly. But it is easier to presume something off of something we know to be true, rather than what COULD be true. For example, it is possible that Charles Deveaux might be Sylar's father, but we have sources that give us more information that his parents might actually be Arthur and Angela. So I personally think that we can make assumptions based on what we have been shown and not what we have not. - Tristan0709 22:38, 4 December 2008 (EST)
  • Right I understand that but haven't we been shown him suddenly mimicking Elle's lighting? Therefore can't the assumption have some standing, out of all the explanations and theories this one may have the most prominence. Horrorman 8:45, 5 December 2008 (EST)
• An interesting suggestion, but it raises the question of who Sylar would be able to absorb intuitive aptitude from. He doesn't empathize well; it was an ordeal for him to empathize with Elle enough to absorb her power. For him to have spontaneously absorbed intuitive aptitude, it would have to have come from someone for whom he felt a natural connection. --Ted C 09:53, 5 December 2008 (EST)
  • If this is what happened, it was with his adoptive father, he's the one who fixed clocks before, and Sylar was protective of him and his watch when he visited his adoptive mother. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:24, 5 December 2008 (EST)
    • Well you don't have to be emotionally attached to the person to gain their power, Sylar's case with Elle was simply because he ignored his empathic ability. So one could argue that he simply killed so much he lost any emotional connection to that said acquired ability. Peter absorbed Sylar's telekinesis without having any real natural connection to him. Horrorman 12:57, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Given the information we now have from Exposed i think that Sylar's dad had Intuitive Aptitude and Sylar, being emotionally connected with him, subconsciously absorbed the power as a child. He only exhibited IA, though, because he never realized he could absorb powers and "the hunger" was just too strong for him to ignore.--Peter 19:48, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Sylar's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's about FREAKING time!!!!!!!!!!!!! Claire killed him. Poetic justice I'd say. He tried to kill her the entire show and she's the one to do him in in the end. Piece of glass to the back of the head. No matter how powerful he got, he could still be taken by surprise. Like with Arthur, regeneration didn't make him invincible. All of those powers and its amazing how little it took to take him out for good. With the building destroyed and no one inclined to go in and remove the glass, I highly doubt he'll regenerate. He's gone for good. Hard to believe, but this has happened before for me: another show had an enemy that seemed almost impossible to kill. He was pure evil and built himself an army too. His army was destroyed in battle, but he survived only to finally be killed later on when he was thrown off a balcony hundreds if not thousands of feet in the air. He fell to his death and I almost couldn't believe it due to how many times he came back, but he did actually die according to the writters like I have no doubt Sylar did here. Claire finally got the revenge she's wanted since he took her power.--WarGrowlmon18 22:09, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I highly doubt he's gone for good. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Said something about flashbacks: we may only see him in the flashbacks. Until its confirmed he survived, I consider him dead.--WarGrowlmon18 22:18, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Look again.--Feral

• Also, when Claire got that branch stuck in her head she revived after it was pulled out... And when Peter had that glass stuck in the back of his head, he came back alive after it was pulled out from his head. - Mike N. 22:16, 15 December 2008 (EST)
  • First, who'd want to pull that from the back of his head??? Second, the building was destroyed. His body may have been destroyed in the explosion and if it wasn't, why would someone go back to retrive it and pull out the glass???--WarGrowlmon18 22:18, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • The person doing his autopsy could pull the glass out his head. It happened to Claire, it can happen to him. I seriously doubt Angela, Claire, and Noah can cover up the explosion and fire of a building that big. -- Cael 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)
      • True, but his body may have been destroyed by the fire or blast.
        • As long as the brain isn't damaged... Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:27, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • This is all hypothetical, based on the fact that he's still "dead" (He said that Claire couldn't die and now, neither could he). What if Claire or someone else removes the shard in order to stop the stuff we've seen revealed about Volume 4. You know exactely what I mean. He's the most powerful hero/villain in the series, along with Peter Petrelli. Who wouldn't want someone like that on your side?--Uncanny474 15:08, 18 December 2008 (EST)
• Easiest explanation I've heard: the glass in his head melts in the extreme heat of the explosions, allowing him to regenerate. --Ricard Desi 10:36, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• I think he should be classed as 'deceased' until we actually see him come back. Biohazard 21:41, 16 December 2008 (GMT)
• I certainly hope they don't bring him back...again. It really annoyed me how he was invincible throughout the first season (because of TK), then Hiro stabbed him through the chest with a sword. Destroying the lead-up of the whole season, WHOOSH! the Company to the rescue! He survived death-chick who knows how many times, then OMG he can regenerate. It takes a lot of fun out of the show when certain characters are immune to being voted off Manhattan Island. We finally have a chance to be rid of him once and for all. They'd better not ruin it like they did by bringing Nathan back for S2 (which made his whole redemption/sacrifice meaningless). --Yamawhata? 17:03, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Why is everyone hatin' on Sylar? I personally think hes the most interesting character on the show. Who couldn't ♥ his psychopathic intentions? :) - Mike N. 17:19, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • Sylar is my favorite character so I really hope they bring him back. He was just getting back to his former awesomeness too. Bloodbath 20:29, 16 December 2008 (EST)
• Sylar's "death" reminds me of when they were trying to kill Apophis in Stargate. However, I'd like to actually see Sylar come back :) --Punxas 17:26, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • More like Michael on Stargate Atlantis for me: he was apparently killed so many times before finally dying when Teyla threw him off the top of Atlantis. Much cooler death too.--WarGrowlmon18 19:05, 16 December 2008 (EST)
• If I was Sylar, I'd be running around with a solid metal helmet on or something. He's always getting tricked. --Cngodles 01:26, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I think its unlikely that Sylar died since we're kinda left wondering who his real parents actually are.Also all sylar lovers they brought Adam back in season two after a load of barrels of gun powder that was right next to him went up in flames. Im pretty sure you would have little more than ashy skeletal remains after something like that, with an unlikely chance of a brain surviving. That case was a much bigger one than sylars as well since primatek is not utterly destroyed and we dont actually know what part of the building sylar was in. Rapid celluar regeneration is still a little mysterious as a chunk of glass in the back of the neck seemingly kills them and yet being blown up and reduced to an ashy corpse doesnt.

I can stand the fact that he's dead but he died like a sissy. No cool death like being thrown into a volcano, stabed in the back of the head by some annoying little cheerleader.--firemole 18:42, 18 December 2008 (EST)

• So... Sylar is definitely dead? I mean, we've heard again and again that a rapid healer can only be killed by a bullet or intrusive object to the back of the head. Arthur was shot at the front, so he's "dead". Sylar was stabbed at the back, but this page states he's still alive? Or would it be speculative to assume he's dead? We can safely speculate it's only temporary, that's for sure... Revengeance 08:09, 21 December 2008 (EST)
  • Sylar is not definitely dead. Until it's confirmed, he shouldn't be listed as such. Follows links at Spoiler talk:A Clear and Present Danger for a little more info. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:32, 21 December 2008 (EST)

• This is the most reasonable theory I have heard and what I personally think on the matter. Sylar will be appearing on next season. Sylar live through both the fire and explosions due to Rapid celluar regeneration. The intense heat generated by either the fire or an explosion would melt the shard of glass. An explaination of why he wouldn't die from an explosion. Explosions did not kill Adam, claire, or peter due to Rapid celluar regeneration repair the flesh as its being destroyed. Thus they are never truly destroyed. Even if the fire did not melt the glass in sylar before an explosion he would survive. An explosion generates an intense burst of heat that would melt the glass before skin due to all the water that resides in the skin. And even if an explosion did occur near enough to sylar to kill him the glass would most likely be destroyed before the rest fo his body thus (as shown in other occurances) allowing instant regain of concussness and powers. --Default 22:27, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Thoughts on Telekinesis

So we know the following so far:

• Sylar's first kill, a result of succumbing to The Hunger, was Brian Davis, from whom he took the power of telekinesis.
• Sylar felt extreme guilt over this, and attempted to kill himself, only to be saved by Elle.
• Sylar eventually lost his abilities to the Shanti virus.
• After recovering from the Shanti virus, Sylar retained his intuitive aptitude, AND telekinesis.

I would be inclined to believe that Sylar has made telekinesis a natural ability, no longer a result of intuitive aptitude. To add to this theory, let's look at a few things about power absorption:

• The writers stated that Peter could not absorb powers from his future self because he would only be absorbing empathic mimicry.
• In a similar sense, if Peter tried to absorb anything from Sylar, he would only pull out Sylar's natural abilities.
• When Claude is beating the piss out of Peter on the rooftop of the Deveaux building, he calls up telekinesis, which he could only have absorbed from Sylar.
• Peter has only been able to copy intuitive aptitude and telekinesis from Sylar. He has never displayed any of the abilities Sylar had absorbed when they met, or anytime since then.

There is a lot of evidence to back up the claim that Sylar has somehow naturalized telekinesis. Even the writers have made allusions to it. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 11:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

It's been said by the writers that telekinesis stayed because of the emotional toll the murdering of Brian Davis took on Sylar, just like he was able to get electric manipulation without looking at Elle's brain. That's why it's more deep in his system. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:11, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• Wow, I would've never thought of that but that seems like a pretty good theory. :) - Mike N. 17:16, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • I threw the question to BTE, we'll see if it gets answered (hope so!) --Ricard Desi 13:41, 18 December 2008 (EST)
• The writers seem to have used the excuse of Sylar retaining Telekenesis because of the emotional scar it left on him as a ridiculous excuse to keep him a terrifying character capable of killing just about anyone. I really wish they were more creative than that. How could Sylar loose abilities in the first place? He doesn't just randomly absorb powers, he learns how they operate. I mean if I got sick I wouldn't forget how to drive a car. The only thing you could claim is memory loss, which the writers do not seem to have encorporated with the Shanti Virus.Cdweston 23:48, 22 December 2008 (EST)
• Maybe the abilities he used rarely were less developed and attacked first by the virus. It could be possible that it made its way deeper into his nervous system destroying abilities he used more often, until he cured it just before it destroyed the part of his brain that controlled Telekinesis (his second most used power.) This would explain why he can use Precognition and Induced Radioactivity in the future- because they were deep set powers that he was able to recover... --Sylar149 12:57, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Just going back to the original point about Peter absorbing Sylar's abilities. Peter is only able to absorb those abilities because they are the only abilities that he associates with Sylar. The only reason he could absorb IA is because he absorbed it from Future Gabriel, who he thinks of as a different individual. It's all in the heart for Peter, so he couldn't absorb any more of Sylar's abilities even if he wanted to. Unless of course he travels to another future and absorbs a different ability from that Sylar.--Steelymcbeam 17:39, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Not really, in one of the BTE interviews, they said that if Peter took some time off after getting IA, he could have tapped into other abilities he was exposed to, such as clairvoyance or alchemy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:53, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Invisibility

Stop me if I'm jumping any guns, but did anyone else hear The sound used when Claude goes invisible when Sylar snuck up on someone? (I forget who exactly it was imo)Also, where do I go to submit questions to BTE? I've searched and searched but I can't find it, and I wanted to submit this. Psilaq Remake 16:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)

• mailto:heroes@comicbookresources.com I've never noticed a sound effect. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:40, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • By the way "Please make sure to get in all your questions in by 6:00 PM Pacific time on Thursday, December 18" and this is most likely your last chance until February. - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)
• Yes, it was when he snuck up on either Angela or Claire in the hallway (can't remember who). There was definitely a sound effect. I'm wondering if it's that old shadow power again...OUChevelleSS 15:29, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Significant Others is speculative

All of the "significant others" on the page are incorrect. Maya nor Elle were ever officially significant others, except perhaps in someone's made up fantasies. - Anon

• I assume you stopped watching the show after season one. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 08:15, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • Nope, I am on the up and up. - Anon
• Sylar and Maya was a pretty obvious one, and Sylar and Elle is pretty much spelled out in front of us. No speculation there --Ricard Desi 11:50, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • Where and when were either of those spelled out? - Anon
    • Well, for example, when Sylar and Elle were having sex on the floor of the Canfields' house in The Eclipse, Part 2. --Yamawhata? 14:07, 19 December 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah, it was pretty obvious in both Eclipse episodes. Bloodbath 17:43, 19 December 2008 (EST)
        • And if it weren't clear there, then go watch Villains. They even had a picnic date in Sylar's apartment and she baked him a peach pie. - Mike N. 18:27, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think we've basically always considered almost any physical hookup enough to classify people as significant others. Brody basically flirted with Claire and then raped and killed her, and he's listed; Hiro and Yaeko kissed twice, and they're each listed. --Stevehim 13:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, and Daphne only said, "I love you" to Matt and the two of them are classed as having a relationship, too. --WeatherWitch 14:05, 21 December 2008 (EST)
      • But it is clear in the Maphne case that the storyline is heading towards a relationship between them. And in the other cases, I think that a relationship between two characters, no matter how long or short, should define them as being a significant other. - Tristan0709 talk 00:04, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Infobox...simplicity vs accuracy and consistency

I was going to add all of his powers to the infobox when I saw the note about only listing the ones he currently has access to to keep it simple, but I have to disagree. For one thing, it's factually inaccurate to not list things he's gained and lost under a heading of 'acquired.' For another, its inconsistent with how we dealt with lost powers on other pages, specifically Peter's. Prior to switching his power to 'Flight (restored),' we listed all of Peter's mimicked powers with a note saying they were all lost. We should do so here too. Considering it's only seven powers, it really wouldn't make the infobox that messy, imo. However, if this is not desireable, then at the very least we should changed the heading in the infobox to something like: 'Known acquired powers currently held.' --Stevehim 23:34, 24 December 2008 (EST)

• I think 'Currently held powers' is slightly better wording, but we can argue semantics later. I support this proposal wholeheartedly. --Yamawhata? 21:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)
• I think we do really want to keep the box as short and simple as possible. During Peter's "no powers" time, there was a pretty good chance he would get them all back at once before the end of the season. As that's no longer likely, I'd actually like to see his infobox simplified as well (if it hasn't been done already). --Ted C 09:59, 31 December 2008 (EST)
  • His is, but more because we honestly have no idea what power(s) he does/doesn't have, other than flight. If the purpose of this wiki was to be simple I'd agree, but we're going for accuracy across the full narrative, I feel like including all powers he's had (including the ones he's lost, signifying them appropriately) would be the better choice. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 10:38, 31 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'm not saying we shouldn't be comprehensive and complete, I'm just saying that the Infobox is not the appropriate place for such an extensive list. We have an Evolved Human Abilities heading for extensive discussion of such things. The Infobox is more of an "at a glance" reference, and I think it should show what abilities the character has at present rather than a complete history of powers that have come and gone. The fact that it says "current" abilities in the Infobox makes it clear that there's more detail. We could include an internal link to the detail: I'll work on that. --Ted C 14:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)
  • I suppose the current does cover it, but just wanted to point out that we had no real reason to assume Peter would ever regain his powers (any more than Sylar regaining his), even when Arthur was still alive. --Stevehim 16:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)
  • How about a compromise then? Can we list a few of his lost powers (let's say 2), with an et al. link like we do when listing the Company's known leaders & members on that page? It really seems very inaccurate to me to leave them off completely, especially when we're listing what is, imo, less pertinent information in the form of 6 different aliases and 3 different nicknames for him instead. --Stevehim 11:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The most powerful...

• Is there anyone else in the Heroes universe as powerful as Sylar now that Peter has been slightly powered down and Arthur is dead? Do you think people will just stop trying to capture/kill him now? :P Bloodbath 18:49, 4 February 2009 (EST)
  • More powerful than Sylar? Tim Kring. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:34, 4 February 2009 (EST)
    • More powerful than Tim Kring? Mr. Muggles. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:37, 4 February 2009 (EST)
      • More powerful than Mr. Muggles? Waffles (until the next eclipse). --Yamawhata? 20:58, 4 February 2009 (EST)
        • More powerful than waffles? Admin. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:16, 8 February 2009 (EST)
          • More powerful than Admin? Drug Dealer
            • More powerful than Drug dealer? Rabid shippers. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:25, 8 February 2009 (EST)
              • I think it was pretty much killed when the drug dealer was brought up Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Don't even say that, look at the drug dealers theories page, he's earnt the right and has the power to be placed here.--Steelymcbeam 12:17, 8 February 2009 (EST)

• Actually, if Harry Fletcher hasn't been mentioned yet. More than him? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:23, 8 February 2009 (EST)
  • Honestly don't even mention Harry Fletcher, he gets spammed around here way too much.--Steelymcbeam 12:26, 8 February 2009 (EST)
    • I know he is, who do you think left the "don't add crazy Harry Fletcher theories" to Sylar's theory page? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:30, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Tasering

I was just wondering why the section for 3x14 it was listed as Regeneration being the reason he was unaffected when clearly he has been knocked unconscious and shocked repeatedly all the while feeling the pain. Wouldn't it be due to the Electrical Manipulation he got from Elle? MagicalDreamer 06:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)

I believe they mentioned it was RCR in the episode commentary, but it makes sense to be it, Elle wasn't immune to electricity, so neither is Sylar. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:02, 8 February 2009 (EST)

• Still doesn't make sense, I'm pretty sure regenerators have been electrocuted in the past and been knocked out. I know Peter has and his RCR(at that point in time) was always active.--Steelymcbeam 09:20, 8 February 2009 (EST)
  • What do you think it's stronger? A bolt from Elle or a taser dart? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)
    • I don't know, he had several taser darts in him, and these are high voltage, designed to stun/incapacitate.--Steelymcbeam 09:34, 8 February 2009 (EST)
      • I still think that Elle's bolts are stronger. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:40, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Yes but that being said, just one of these darts will incapacitate a person without RCR. And which has been demonstrated before characters with RCR can still be knocked out by average instances. Why Sylar survived this is beyond me.--Steelymcbeam 09:45, 8 February 2009 (EST)

What the bleeding hell happened to TK?

In Season 1, Sylar used TK like there was no tomorrow including as a body shield, creating near invulnerability. Why has he stopped this? Is there a valid reason, as it sure would help in a lot of the situations he constantly finding himself in. And on top of that, would allow him to not be injured in the back of the head, preventing death.--Steelymcbeam 09:23, 8 February 2009 (EST)

• He has RCR now, as far as he's concerned he can afford not use TK for near invulnerability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)

...Puppet master?

...Has he taken it, or was that just telekinesis? (referring to the scene in the Campbell home) Looked/sounded a lot like puppet master... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:34, 9 February 2009 (EST)

• I thought so, too. (Admin 22:14, 9 February 2009 (EST))
• Its telekinesis --Skyeatsout 22:16, February 9, 2009
  • And why is it telekinesis? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:17, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • He killed Eric Doyle, there was no sound of telekinesis. There was the same sound when Eric used his ability to shut people up. The evidence points to puppet master, not telekinesis. (Admin 22:18, 9 February 2009 (EST))
    • Before I have a major edit war, that is just spectulation that the was puppet master. it may have been a mistake on the editors part. and he didn't kill eric....Meesa yoda 22:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)
      • ...A mistake that they used the puppet master sound effect (specifically the mouth shutting one) and not the telekinesis sound effect? A mistake that Sylar made Mary close her mouth in the exact same way that Eric made everyone else close their mouths? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:47, 9 February 2009 (EST)
        • Remember when people thought Peter and Sylar had Eden's power because the voice effect? But then they said the effect was only used for the coolness factor and not because they had it? Couldn't the same have been done without him having the pupper master ability? --Cael 22:48, 9 February 2009 (EST)
          • Maybe Sylar was branching out. lets just wait for the writers say anything about it.Meesa yoda 22:50, 9 February 2009 (EST)
          • The voice effect wasn't the same for Eden and Peter/Sylar. Plus, whoever they were using that voice on wasn't persuaded to do anything. This is different. Exact same sound effects as puppet master (sound of a vault closing), exact same action to initiate those effects (thumb and fingers together), and exact same result (victim shuts up). I'm thinking it's a pretty darn big leap to assume that this was a mistake. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:53, 9 February 2009 (EST)
            • Like I said let's wait maybe he killed him after the view left him we don't know yet.Meesa yoda 22:55, 9 February 2009 (EST)
              • I think it's telekinesis, we've seen Sylar control people with telekinesis before, remember Audrey? And we've always known that Sylar just moves his fingers cause it helps him focus his ability, he could have simply liked the way Doyle channeled his power and decided to copy him, or because it's more efficient. Who knows. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:59, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                • "he could have simply liked the way Doyle channeled his power and decided to copy him". That's a stretch. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. They've never done things like that on accident. Pose the question to CBR if you'd like them to answer it explicitly, however watching the scene a few times the actions and reactions and effects are identical to the scenes with Doyle. (Admin 19:02, 10 February 2009 (EST))
• Let me point out that when there was some debate over whether or not Sylar sliced open heads using TK or a different power, it was decided that the different sound effect didn't mean anything. Since Sylar hasn't been confirmed to have taken puppet mastery, but he is known to have TK and to have used it to control others actions, it should remain assumed to be TK for now. It will probably be explained sooner or later (hopefully sooner) --Yamawhata? 18:39, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • We make a lot of assumptions based on sound effects. They do mean something. I don't know what you're getting at with the slicing open heads thing. We never saw Sylar actually cut open a head before Homecoming, so of course we couldn't know that it was telekinesis. We couldn't make any solid assumption on what the power was at all. Sound effects had nothing to do with it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:44, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • I go one step further and not even call them assumptions. They're observations just like anything else we observe in the show. They are very consistent and make it easy to tell when one ability is being used versus another via sound and visual effects. It's just that not everyone is able to interpret them as easily as others can. (Admin 19:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))
      • If Sylar had this ability, I think he'd show it off a bit. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:08, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • He just did! ;) (Admin 19:10, 10 February 2009 (EST))
          • By show it off, I mean like he did with Bob's ability to Elle. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
            • Do you have the episode Dying of the Light recorded somewhere? Eric uses his ability several times in that episode and I just watched his scenes along with the new one of Sylar and the effect is the same. I do recommend checking it out if you can it might help. (Admin 19:22, 10 February 2009 (EST))
              • I have that one but I don't have last night's. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:30, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                • It's up on Hulu here if you're able to use Hulu. (Admin 19:32, 10 February 2009 (EST))
                  • I'm not, I don't live in the US, so hulu's out of limits for me, I've tried using proxies to get there, but none of them ever worked. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:34, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• i agree that it sounded like puppet mastery. maybe sylar took both doyle and pine's abilities before leaving primatech. after all pine's body was missing and he didnt slit doyle's throat like he did to echo, whos power he had. he must've known he couldnt be killed and took their abilities. however it is probably best to wait and see how sylar survived or for the writer's to confirm it. Shoyru1177 10:11, 12 February 2009 (EST)
  • He used telekinesis. Simple as that. He telekinetically shut her mouth. OmniScience
    • To be blatantly honest, there's more evidence pointing towards puppet mastery than telekinesis. Where's your evidence? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 11:09, 15 February 2009 (EST)
      • My evidence? Telekinesis; Movement of objects using ones mind. Now... does a mouth count as an object? OmniScience
        • Technically, the mouth is an object. But when do you hear people referring to body parts as objects? Plus, we still have the fact that Sylar a) closed Mary's mouth in the exact same way that Doyle did and b) the same sound effect from puppet mastery was played. That's 1 for 2. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 18:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
          • It's still matter, Telekinesis doesn't move objects only, it moves anything that it's able to get a hold on. Sylar has used telekinesis to manipulate another person's body against their will before (Audrey), if manipulation of the human body falls to Doyle's ability, we could say Arthur had this ability cause he snapped Maury's neck with a flick of his wrist. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
            • Do I need to reiterate the fact that the puppet mastery sound effect was explicitly used in Trust and Blood? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 19:24, 16 February 2009 (EST)
              • My personal viewpoint? Puppet mastery. But in the end, it's not confirmed one way or the other. Hopefully we'll get an answer from CBR tonight. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                • Call my memory and hearing faulty but the sound was still tk for me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:29, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                  • Well look at it again... I'm 100% sure it was puppet mastery's sound. But in any case, it wasn't puppet mastery... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 20:55, 5 March 2009 (EST)
                    • Well, Doyle appears to be alive. I guess we just chock this one up to be just another case of Ability homology. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:35, 5 March 2009 (EST)

IceGhost78too bad he never killed eric

• • • Ok. Well now we know he is able to take abilities without cutting off heads and without having deep conversations with the person. This is evidenced by him taking the shape shifting power. It is now very possible he did take puppet master from doyle.
      • Very possible but not seen yet. --Peter 20:11, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Plus, he can already force people to move as he wishes with telekinesis, not a lot of people remember that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:13, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

He definetly has Puppet Master, and I don't see why people doubt this. It has already been evidenced that he doesn't HAVE to kill a person to take powers (as with Elle), or open up their heads (as with Shapeshifting). Puppet Master should be added to the list. User:Squall

• The problems are, 1) Doyle is alive, 2) we haven't seen Sylar take his power, 3) Sylar can control the movements of others via telekinesis. AltesUTC CH
  • People doubt it simply because it's not confirmed. It's very possible, but there has been no confirmation that I know of that says Sylar definitely has Doyle's ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Points taken, but I put to you that while he has controlled people's movements with telekinesis before, the way he controls Claire in An Invisible Thread is quite different - slower and more jerky, more like Doyle's ability (which, admittedly, is just a minor form of telekinesis anyway). Perhaps, even if not directly taking Doyle's power, he learned from him a new way to use his existing ability? - User:Squall
      • No reason to believe he hasn't further refined his control over telekinesis. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:17, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

why wudnt sylar cut open agent simmon's head and get the info he needs??

when peter got sylar's power from the future and returned he threatened angela to tell him evrything or he wud open her head and get to know it,i was wondering why sylar wud go for all the trouble when he cud do the same to agent simmons

• I think that only works on powers. Konewka
  • Why? Peter already has Angela's powers - He did the same thing to Nathan, he wanted to know his intentions and started slicing his head. Why would finding information work on people who have abilities and not on ordinary people? OmniScience
    • There's a difference between understanding how brain-controlled powers work and reading thoughts and memories. AFAIK, Sylar's never done the later.--Cro Magnon 22:33, 12 February 2009 (EST)
      • It's possible he didn't do it only because it wasn't the direction the writers wanted to take. It's also possible that the information he would obtain by examining the brain is less specific and has more to do with understanding why people do things rather than what they did. Based on past explanations by the writers, though, I think it's just not how they wanted the story to unfold. (Admin 23:13, 12 February 2009 (EST))

Our little boy is growing up

It seems, Sylar is able to control his "hunger". He didn't kill his adoptive watchmaker father and he didn't kill Luke. Which he states is a big deal for him. Oh my god... they grow up so fast and mature so quick. Lol. Although he still kills for powers, he is indeed surpressing his urges. Perhaps, being on a journey to look for his father is his main concern now, he doesn't care to be "special" anymore. OmniScience

• I wouldn't say he's controling the hunger just because he wants, he's doing it cause it's beneficial for him now, he knows the government is after him, so increasing his body count would attract attention, he doesn't want his search for his father to be interrupted. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Why did Sylar seem to still have 'The Hunger' in Season 2?

Is anyone else still bothered that after adding the 'hunger' excuse for Sylar's behavior, in season 2 there was NO difference in how he acted? Wouldn't he have been able to at least NOTICE the hunger was gone when under the care of Candice? Or did the hunger, or intuitive aptitude altogether somehow persist during the Shanti virus infection? AllUltima 11:13, 15 February 2009 (EST)

• I think the hunger was "gone", but the reason he felt the need to get powers is that he missed them, had an opening and took it.
• It's like quitting smoking - After a while the physical addiction goes away, but the hardest part is breaking the habbit.

Sylar and Luke

It seems that Sylar cares about Luke somewhat. He saved him from Danko's Goon Squad and while he claims to have come back just for that laptop, he did save him and when Luke pointed out that he could have just left him there he didn't have a response for him. Also that was interesting information about Sylar's motives now. Notice that after he temporaily turned good he doesn't seem to have as much of a motivation to kill people for powers or anything else. He killed Elle in revenge for what she did to him and regreted it, he killed Sue for her power, but that was because he needed it to know the truth and note that besides Macon he hasn't killed anyone else for power since, he killed Arthur for revenge for using him, but left Peter and the Haitain (who did have a power he could have used) alone, he killed those team members in self-defense, but left Luke and his mother alone. I think he was being truthful about his new motivations and who knows if he'll go back to his old ways once he meets his father though.--WarGrowlmon18 23:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Haircut

Sylar has lost the same menacing look and feel that he had in season one and the first two episodes - please, writers, bring back the kickassery that he used to have. and for God's sake, give him a haircut, I miss the spikey thing he had in genisis and generations --Halfbreed1426 21:27, 21 February 2009

BTE Confirms Sylar Mimics IA

Latest Behind The Eclipse confirms that Sylar is empathically mimicking Intuitive Aptitude from his Father.... --Action Figure 11:01, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

• I didn't read that into their response at all. Someone asked if that were the case and the response was "What are you doing tonight, Richard?" I count that as a non-response. --Jrrenola 12:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
  • But after last night's episode i think that Sylar does Emphatically mimic his dad's power. If that's true, shouldn't we add it into Sylar's infobox? --Peter 14:09, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm still not convinced that he possesses EM - I thought he had just inherited IA... However, he did absorb Elle's ability through empathy. I guess I need to be hit over the head with more definitive proof. --Jrrenola 14:24, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
• His assignment tracker file as shown in the episode itself explicitly labeled his ability as "intuitive aptitude". (Admin 14:29, 10 March 2009 (EDT))
  • I think it is EM and that he got his father's power as a child. It and telekenisis stayed with him as the only powers he empathetically aquired after the virus. The company didn't know what power he had, but somehow Arthur knew. That's why his file has the wrong power. Arthur may have known b/c he knew Sylar was able to keep the TK powers after the virus. Arthur knew his history too.--Mistyjo 12:33, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
• Too little information, we should wait and see if this gets clear on the show. By the way, didn't BTE "confirm" that Sylar is a Petrelli? Please, respond to this, cuz I can't remember... --Altes 12:59, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
• Come on people, his ability isn't EM it's IA. He can simply add new abilities because of his understanding of how they work. As for absorbing it from his father, I think that's really just a case of Ability heredity. And for the last point about telekinesis, it's been stated that it's because of the severe guilt he felt over his first kill. This kept it in his brain and therefore his DNA. Now does this make sense to anyone else?--Steely McBeam - (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
  • He most likely had the procedure of adding telekinesis permanently etched into his memory because of the trauma and guilt. Since the shanti virus can't remove native abilities, he kept it (intuitive aptitude) and reconfigured his DNA from memory to include telekinesis. He could not however remember any other abilities because he had no meaningful memory related to them. -Barbedknives (talk)17:34, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
• Sylar having EM is too.. complicated. It's better to see him fighting his IA hunger, than to see him using EM instead of lopping skulls. It's Sylar.--Altes 15:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
  • It's not complicated. Sylar has the same ability Peter used to have. It just doesn't happen without his knowing it like would happen to Peter. He actually has to concentrate to use it, therefor he uses his father's power because it's quick and easy. Also, he seems to master the ability faster that way where as with EM he has to practice like he did with Elle's ability. The hunger is in him all the time whether he's using IM or not just like when Peter took IM from Sylar, so don't worry about Sylar going soft. Sylar's dad could take healing from Sylar though it isn't his original power, so Sylar could give Peter IM even if Sylar's original power is EM. I don't think BTE alone should be the reason we would change it, I think we should change it simply because the story line has changed it. Sylar never killed anyone or looked at Peter's brain so he could get EM, yet, he was able to get Elle's power. At the time, this was confusing because we never saw him acquire IM nor did Sylar remember anyone else with it. It was some weird mystery. Another mystery is somehow he kept both TK and IM but lost all his other powers. We find out he kept TK because he felt guilt (or EMPATHY) over his first kill. It's like 2+2=4. Acquiring IM early in life from his father then forgetting about it explains why Sylar didn't know he had EM and how he got IM. Maybe later the story line will change again like it did when we find out Angela and Arthur lied about being his parents, but right now, I think it's obvious he has EM. The wiki should change with the story.--Mistyjo 19:05, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Mistyjo, you mean IA - Intuitive Aptitude. I think powers can be used in different ways and for different means, like telepathy allows mind reading, casting illusions, forcing others to do a telepath's will... Ted managed to find a different use for his power too. Maybe the same with Sylar - there are different ways to absorb abilities. He can do it without killing, but EM does NOT require intense concentration. Therefore Sylar's ability isn't EM - it's still IA.--Altes 06:13, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Even if the writers meant that Sylar had empathic mimicry (which I don't believe they did), it would still contradict a canon source. We always employ canon sources over secondary and outside sources. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
• *sigh*  :) --Action Figure 09:00, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
  • • I did mean IA, thanks. I think Sylar has to concentrate to use EM because the 'side effects' of IA have pushed away any empathy he had. For instance, Peter, who was very empathetic lost his empathy and became a monster when he took IA from Sylar. I guess we'll see what happens when Peter and Sylar reunite.--Mistyjo 11:38, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, then Sylar can honestly slice Peter's skull open and take his power.--Altes 13:49, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
        • I think they just confirmed it again. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20707 How else would he have EM? He never took it from anyone. He got IA from his dad with his EM.--Mistyjo 22:22, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I thought they meant that he mimicked it using IA. He understood his plight and the troubles he's been through (and his power, of course). And he absorbed it. Same thing as with Elle. Understood is the main word in their answer. --Peter 22:28, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Right, and "Understood" is part of the definition of empathy. To quote my Mac, "Empathy: The ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Sylar knew him completely. He knew why he made the decisions he made and he knew how he felt being captured and people trying to kill him. They said that empathy isn't always nice. You can have empathy for someone without ever feeling sympathy.--Mistyjo 22:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Well, for me he still used the empathy part of the intuitive aptitude ability, unless they spell it out with no possible way for misinterpretation, Sylar's core ability has always been intuitive aptitude for me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Sylar also said to Danko that the power to understand things is the only that has always been truly his, chalk one up for IA, Sylar doesn't have EM. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:57, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Just A Thought

Is it possible that Sylar still has the power he originally has in addition to the ones he already has? It's been said he can't use the powers he needed because of the empathy thing, but remembering to how Luke and Sylar escape, Sylar shattered the windows. It is possible that this was Trevor's power or just advance TK? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 23:40, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

• I don't even think it was advanced telekinesis--just the plain old garden variety kind. Sylar lost Trevor's ability (and a whole lot of others) when he contracted the Shanti virus. Most never returned. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Thanks, I could never figure out things in Heroes as of lately. Sometimes I think the writers could pull the rug under us and hit us with new stuff, erasing the old stuff. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 00:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
    • That's what the Haitian does. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:07, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Will Sylar Be Nerfed?

It is common knowledge that all of the top tier characters save Sylar, Haitain, and Doyle have been nerfed. Doyle was recently incarcerated, so does Heroes Wiki think Sylar's powers will be noobified before or after season 4? -Barbedknives (talk)00:35, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

• Since Peter's been nerfed, there is nobody who can stand up to Sylar. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to de-power him.--Cro Magnon 10:39, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Please not again... He has already been de-powered in season 2 (due to the Shanti Virus)and lost many of his powers because of it:(--Sylar Fan09 12:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Enhaced Memory

Sylar did not acquire enhanced memory because Hiro change Charlie's fate by saving her from Sylar, later dying from a tumor or something like that. So i think it should be removed from the list.-- Catalyst » My talk Page- 18:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

• Nope, Hiro was just pulled back to Japan, plus Saving Charlie confirms she was killed by Sylar, and I'm sorry cause this will sound rude, but for the efing billionth time, she had an aneurysm, is it so hard to get??? *sigh* Had to get it out, everywhere I read about her death, people say she had a tumor, not aimed at you, just at the Heroes community as a whole. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I believe it was mentioned in the actual episode that she had a tumor in her brain. --GSK 23:41, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Nope, she said she had an aneurysm, she said it was "waiting to burst" if I recall. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
• Sylar used Charlie's ability in Road Kill. --Altes 08:50, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Danko's Car

How did he get in and out of Danko's car so fast? Teleportation from an unkown source? --Peter 21:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Astral projection? :D Yeah it has to be the teleportation factor. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

• I assume is a mental ability, perhaps "Telepathy" or empathically absorbed Angela's Precognitive Dreaming ability and used the Astral Projection or the Dream Manipulating aspect(s) of Angela's ability. Remember guys, he absorbed Electrokinesis from Elle when being emotional with her and you all seen how emotional he was with Angela when he thought Angela was his real mother. It could be a possibility though. Tell me what you guys think of my theory... DARK 22:13, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Good theory, but with a flaw that invalidates it: when Angela reached out to Sylar, they were both unconscious, Sylar and Danko were both wide awake. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

• • Agreed, but the problem remains that Sylar has exhibited an action for which none of his powers can satisfactorily account. In the past we have chalked it up to telekinesis, and that could explain how he got to the roof, but it doesn't explain how he was able to leave the car without Danko noticing/the sound of a door (I think it's stretching to say that he silently levitated out of the window). Since we never saw it from his point of view, we can't assume STM or teleportation (though I think we have almost enough to support teleportation), but we also have to assume that he has a power that's yet unaccounted for (as something was displayed). This deserves at least a note on his page. I suppose it's possible he used a combination of telekinesis and sound manipulation (ie - wave interference), but that's another stretch, imo. --Stevehim 23:13, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

• I think that he does have teleportation. In series 1 Bennet told Eden that Sylar had killed at least nine people, some of whom we do not know. Teleportation would make sense as it would explain how he escaped Danko's car and how he helped save Claire from Stephen Canefeild's black hole in "Angels and Monsters". --Mc hammark 08:01, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

• • BTE confirmed Sylar doesn't have a teleportation ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:45, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

• I think that that Sylar empathetically took sedation from his father and precognitive dreaming/dream manipulation from Angela. So, he first knocks Danko out with sedation, then takes a "nap" to enter his dream. Further evidence is that as Danko entered the car, his hand shook and he closed his eyes then Sylar appears whistling the song on the radio. Whistling is associated with the use of sedation. It also appeared that as Danko turns to shoot Sylar, his eyes opened. Further, the direction shows that the cigarette lighter button pops up minutes after being pressed by Danko, indicating a lapse in time or continuity. --The black sylar 15:18, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

• Sylar seems to have displayed this 'ability' for a while, especially when he escaped from Audrey Hanson in Season 1, and I consider that most notable because of the sound that was made during his disappearance, and because he was gone in a split second. Also, in I Am Sylar he did this several times, like when he appeared on Tom's sofa and my favorite was when he appeared behind Micah before any of the agents came into the building, even though he was behind. He still managed to Shift to his original appearance during this very short amount of time. --User:Autre31415

Did he kill him?

Did Sylar kill James Martin to take his power? I mean, did he open his head?

• He didn't made the mess he usually does, so my guess is that he did the same thing he did to the guy with impenetrable skin in the deleted scene, since he couldn't scalp him because of the skin, he opened the way through the mouth. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
• But there was the Telepathy sound effect, and he just looked at the guy. I think there's some newfound thing with Intuitive Aptitude. But there was the knife in his head, and he was bleeding. People don't bleed that much if they're already dead. I think Sylar can just absorb powers now. Talk 19:34, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • You mean telekinesis right? We couldn't see how much blood there was inside the body bag, and it's pretty clear that Sylar just didn't make his usual incision, that doesn't mean he just absorbs power now, that would make him joining Danko pointless. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:00, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • No... I mean Telepathy. And I'm saying that Sylar can now take powers without physically examining the brain. He still kills the victim, but gets the power. 17:18, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
    • That makes no sense, Sylar has no mental abilities other than telekinesis and clairsentience, he might not need to expose the brain, but he certainly still needs to examine it in some way. And the sound effect was the usual TK slice, it's quite distinct. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
    • New theory: after encountering his father and analyzing his intuitive aptitude 'from outside', Sylar managed to perfect his own. Also, Empath, it's not pointless at all. Danko hunts evolved humans, and Sylar wants abilities. If he joins the hunt, he'll get what he wants. --Altes 12:10, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar didn't scalp Samson, no brain exposure or examination, so I don't see him as analyzing the ability, though I'd like to see how that would affect him and his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Remember I Am Become Death? Future Sylar analyzed Future Knox's ability without tearing his head open. Doubt he absorbed it, but that doesn't matter. I believe he did the same with Samson: just analyzed IA and understood how to improve it. --Altes 02:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Maybe Sylar's ability is beginning to evolve. It isn't the first time somebody's ability has. --Scorvi12 19:24, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
      • And they're always explicit when that happens, they haven't been explicit with Sylar. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:53, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I'm about 70% sure that Sylar has empathic mimicry, just as demonstrated with Elle. Just instead of empathizing with honest, noble people, Sylar can empathize with selfish people. I believe that in combination with his intuitive aptitude he is beginning to evolve his power. Think about it, he spent almost his entire screen time in Into Asylum empathizing and analyzing with Martin. It's not unreasonable to think that he intuitively empathized with his condition. Sylar is now the Goku of Heroes. --Barbedknives (talk)21:20, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
          • No, surely not! Whatever Sylar's innate ability is, it's not empathic mimicry. From what we know, Samson has intuitive aptitude too, and he was able to steal abilities just like Sylar. No EM involved. Unless Samson has empathic mimicry and absorbed from somebody understanding of how things work, and Gabriel inheredited EM from his father and absorbed IA from him. God, it's so complicated... --Altes 02:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Him empathazing with bad people makes more sense, but I still think that to get an ability empathically, he has to genuinilly care for the person, something along that line. I still think he did the same thing from the deleted scene, where he got a impenetrable skin via a guy's mouth, since it wasn't impenetrable as his skin. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:16, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I don't think it's Empathetic Mimicry, but it could be the same aspect of Intuitive Aptitude that he used in I Am Become Death, remember? He didn't kill Elle (at that moment) but he was able to get her ability, too. He hasn't lost any powers or anything since last volume, so why would this aspect change? As for his continuation of head-slicing, that's just 'cause he likes to cut people's heads open (and possibly to cover his tracks and he learns powers faster that way--JUST SPECULATION). EDIT: I screwed up. It's not "I Am Become Death", it's "It's Coming".--Uncanny474 11:55, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
            • It still doesn't make sense that he would cut him through the mouth to examine the brain. Think about it, the purported cause of death is a wound to the back of the head. During an autopsy, they would discover the incision in the upper mouth and if the brain was extracted this would be extremely suspicious, as well as inconsistent with the cause of death. So someone would have to explain why the corpse has a destroyed upper mouth and possible missing brain when the case files for Sylar specify the conditions of his regenerative abilities. Of course, this is looking at it logically, so I doubt the writers would consider this. --Barbedknives (talk)22:44, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
              • They wrote it before when Sylar got impenetrable skin, but then the writer's strike came and they had to cut that story out. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
• I think that what Sylar done was inject him with his healing blood to hide the bullet hole, then opened up the back of his head, where the metal stump was eventually pushed in to make it look real, and he took the ability from there. --Mc hammark 08:04, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
  • BTE confirmed he used the empathy aspect of his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:45, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

New Ability?

In Into Asylum Sylar was in Danko's car, but then Danko turned and Sylar was on the roof of a nearby building. Does he have a new abiltiy, or did I just miss something?

• It looks that way to me. I don't see how he could have done that with his known powers.--Cro Magnon 16:25, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
• I mention on this talk page that it could be Astral projection. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 18:57, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
• Maybe he killed Rachel Mills and has taken her ability, since see only teleported sort distances. --Powermimic 22:24, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
• I doubt Rachel is dead, seeing as how she's still appearing in the iStory. It seems a little counter-productive to kill her, especially off-screen. --Laudo 22:49, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
• Look, in Our Father Sylar took a cell phone from Elle's body, and it contained numbers of several evolved humans. The interval between the two volumes is about two months. I bet during that time Sylar took many abilities, including this mysterious teleportation/astral projection/illusion/or what it is. He didn't need to kill Rachel. Your thoughts, friends? --Altes 02:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
• I guess it's possible. I hope we get the answer eventually. --Laudo 14:37, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
• BTE has confirmed it wasn't teleportation. Which means, Rachel is alive! --Altes 01:49, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

How Sylar survived Claire killing him

Now we know: the glass melted in the fire. Noah said it while examining "Sylar's" body.--WarGrowlmon18 21:21, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

• Now how do we put it into the article? Notes? --Peter 22:06, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's Original Power

I think Sylar's original power is power transferance. There seems to be multiple versions of it such as empathic mimicry. This is how sylar can use empathic mimicry. Samson could have also had this. Since special abilities seems to run in families, it is likely that Samson's brother had an ability: that being intuitive aptitude, allowing him to set up a watch business. Both Samson (who would have felt love for his brother) and Sylar (who seemed to adore his father) would have got intuitve aptitude from the adoptive father. So his initial power is transferance. --Mc hammark 10:04, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

The writers have said that Sylar's original ability is "to understand things when given the raw materials associated with it". If it were really power transferrance, he'd have all the abilities he needed after he touches people, which would mean the 'hunger' is instantly satisfied (to a lesser extent). LimaBean 15:37, 8 April 2009 (PDT)

Yes but look at this section of the page: BTE Confirms Sylar Mimics IA --Mc hammark 14:54, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

List of shape shifting appearances

I'm beggining to think it's inappropriate to have a whole list of people who portray sylar while he's using his Shape shifting ability. From the point he stole the ability from James Martin has of Turn and Face the Strange, his page already has numerous actors portraying him. I know Candice has the same thing, which is why I think that, if Sylar's appearances while shape shifting grow, we should do one of these two:

• Merge his appearances with the page Examples of Shape shifting (which I hope will appear has the examples will grow)
• Link the portrayers section to a new Note section on his page selecting his "morphs". (I think this one's the better one, so that way we can do the same with Candice).

The only reason I'm saying this is because the page will be extensively huge and his profile section will become confusing if his "morphs" grow. -- Meteoritu =D- 21:14, 9 April 2009

• I couldn't agree more, I think we needed to do something because Sylar seems to be here to stay(at least I hope) and we know he loves Shape shifting.--Sylar Fan09 01:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Adding a few more names to the infobox will not make it extensively huge. Also, removing the names in place of a template also removes search hits since searching does not automatically search the template namespace. It also removes information when somebody searches the code for the page. If the issue is that the infobox is too long (which I don't think it is), then I'd rather see a collapsible table used to hide the other portrayers. But honestly, with two more episodes left in the season, I don't forsee that list growing much more. I'd rather the template's information be included on this page and the template deleted. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Well, I think the collapsable list is the best idea, in lieu of a template, as it was established that the infobox should be kept succinct (and Sylar's is already one of the longest ones on the site). If we're not listing his lost powers for that very reason (despite listing lost powers on other pages, like Maya's), then I don't see why we wouldn't apply the same reasoning to shapeshifting (especially since it needs to be listed twice in the infobox...once under portrayed and once under aliases). The number of shapeshifters is already close to the number of known powers Sylar has lost (2 less), and while there are only 2 episodes left, that's only this season...it could easily grow longer in future seasons. The only real problem, imo, seems to be that it won't cause search hits. That doesn't seem like a big deal to me since it just precludes several matches to the same page (typing Emile Danko won't get you to Sylar's infobox....it still gets you to his page though, as it's in the People Impersonated section). Collapsable tables or a link to the People Impersonated section of his abilities section works just as well as a template, imo, and I would've done that instead initially, had it occurred to me.  :) --Stevehim 13:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
      • And whatever is decided on this should also be applied to Candice's page as well. --Stevehim 13:36, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
      • So, should the page/templates stay as is? Personally, I'm in favor of keeping all the information in the infobox. No templates, no links, no fancy collapsibles (are they even possible in a infobox?). I think character infoboxes should be as long as they need to be, and I don't see that it would be too big of an issue should it got oversized. --Radicell 08:01, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I agree with you, Radicell. I don't think there's anything wrong with listing all the portrayers. I'd rather lose the template and list everything in the infobox, with no collapsible table. If the height of the box is an issue, we can put all the "shapeshifting" portrayers under a heading an remove the parenthetical characters (in other words, have a heading that says "Shape Shifting Portrayers" or something, and then list the actors' names, but not the characters' names). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:17, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I actually agree too, which is what I argued about listing his lost powers as, but it was decided by one of the admins that the infobox should be kept simple and concise. For consistency's sake, we should try to follow this, or list all of his lost powers as well, since we we do that with all of the other characters who have lost powers. Personally, I don't see why putting them in a collapsable table hurts at all, as it keeps things a bit neater, but my main concern would be consistency throughout the site, in terms of policy. That Sylar lost some of his powers shouldn't mean it is no longer relevant information either (just assuming that argument will be put forth). Again, we list powers as lost on Maya's page, on Peter's (and, really, we should list all of his lost powers there instead of just EM, if consistent, total information is the goal), on Hiro's, and on Adam's. The only other argument I can see being put forth not to do this is that "lost" only refers to original powers, but I'm not sure exactly what reasoning would lead to that, as a power is a power. There's still no evidence (that I know of) that Peter would have lost his acquired powers had he lost empathic mimicry through some other means. --Stevehim 14:19, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Where is that discussion, about listing lost powers? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Here. --Stevehim 19:58, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I don't know if a collapsible table is possible in an infobox. Perhaps an advanced coder like Miami can work it. --Radicell 23:41, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
              • It's possible, but it doesn't look that great, in my opinion. See here. I'd rather just make the infobox a little longer. It's fitting for a character like Sylar who is portrayed by a lot of people, has a lot of powers, and goes by a lot of different names. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
                • I agree that the collapsable tables do not look good in the infoboxes. Like I said, I have no objection to listing it all in the infobox, but doing that is contrary to the reasoning of keeping the infoboxes "simple" with "at a glance" info, and if we say that is not/no longer the case, then all lost powers for Peter and Sylar should be listed, imo, as that information is not only as relevant as aliases/characters mimicked, but far less likely to change/be added to at this point in the game.. --Stevehim 21:51, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

box

IceGhost78 sylars box is very long, maybe we could put a show/hide button for the stuff there

Sylar and Shape-Shifting

I know that Sylar wants everyone to think he is dead, but i hope it doesn't last to long. I don't want Sylar to be portrayed by a whole lot of people. Only Quinto is Sylar to me. Only he does it best.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 10:02, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

• Well it's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks so. However I don't see this happening, we've seen more and more aspects of the Five Years Gone future coming true. Considering that he originally was to use Illusion to maintain Nathan's identity, this is the power that would create the same effect. Unless another Arthur comes along, or another Shanti Virus, it's likely this is going to continue until he gets his goal, or dies.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 10:12, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Not really, Sylar got shape shifting through empathy, like telekinesis and electric manipulation. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:45, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
• He didn't get telekinesis through empathy. BoomerDay 13:16, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
  • He retained it through empathy, that's why he kept it after Shanti virus, instead of losing it along with his acquired abilities up until that moment. Technically, he used both methods, he acquired it with the usual way, and retained it because of the emotional tool killing Davis took on him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
• I've relocated the shape shifting information out of the infobox for the same reasons given for not listing his lost powers here. --Stevehim 09:02, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I'd hate to re-argue it, but at the very least, the lost powers are no longer accurate, while the shape shifts are. I (probably erroneously) changed it up with a dead link to "Sylar's shape shifts" (similar to Sylar's victims), as a possible separate page. Alternatively, his shape shift victims could be included on his normal victims page. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:07, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Well, we list the lost powers on other pages, and the argument was that listing them made the infobox way to cumbersome (though, personally, I disagreed). The shape shifting thing is going to be even worse. I've created a template to link to (prior to seeing you'd created a page...it's fine by me if you want to use yours and delete the template), listing everyone he mimics, but for some reason the link isn't working in the infobox atm. I'm also not sure I got all the shape shifts, but I have to run out for a bit now. I'll look at fixing it when I get back (unless someone else wants to have a go at it  :)). --Stevehim 09:26, 16 April 2009 (EDT) ....UPDATE: Ok, I found what I'd done wrong and fixed it. I created two templates: one for the characters Sylar impersonates using his shape shifting, and one for the actors/actresses portraying said characters. The former is linked in the infobox (under "aliases") and is under a section under Evolved Human Abilities on Sylar's page (entitled: People Impersonated), and the latter is in the infobox under "Portrayed." I'd have no objection to any or all of it being altered (eg - Richard Desi's proposed link (which I was going to use, but I couldn't find the page, so went with another template instead), but based on the previous discussion about the infobox remaining concise, my opinion is that at least something along these lines (ie - linking the infobox to save space) is the best way to go. --Stevehim 12:35, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
• i think that we should list his personality crisis as either a side effect of this ability or an effect of staying in hiding.Also, would it be possable that sylar would change into people when he uses their abilities? by the way i think we should have a portal for the history of peters authors and sylars abilities and a link to this portal on the corrasponding portals about those people.--Autobot2 10:59, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Shape-shifting to Nathan

It will probably be addressed in the next episode, but seeing as Nathan and Sylar don't meet face-to-face until 3x25, how could Sylar have gained Nathan's "look?" Furthermore, Nathan hasn't been in Washington, but in the Southwest.. Sylar nor Danko know where he is.

Plot hole, anyone? --GSK 00:35, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

• He probably got it from a prior video recording.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:46, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

• Although as demonstrated previously, Sylar needs to shake hands or come into some sort of physical contact with a person in order to shape-shift into them, unless he has mastered the ability enough to where he can shape-shift into anyone without physical contact. I'm boggled. --GSK 03:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

• I'm not sure that was established at any point (though I've only seen each episode once, so it is entirely possible I missed that), but I would say it is certainly no longer the case based on him changing into Nathan. --05:29, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

• Maybe Sylar found someone looked very similar to Nathan.. A long-lost twin perhaps? --Peter 11:11, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • The last thing we need is a long lost twin, if the physical contact is required for DNA or some other thing, Danko could pull a DNA sample of Nathan from the countless databases the US government has access to. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:53, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Maybe using his IA he is able to use Shape-Shifting at a much better level. Possibly only needing to examine a picture of the person. --Quig 07:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Glad the matter was dealt with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:05, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

youre forgetting, probably found out by now, that he aquires his morphs through their dna not their apperance

• • • • • That's what I was talking about, my reply was due the explanation of the issue by the episode. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Age, born and pob

Where did those came from? Did I miss something in yesterday's episode? I've uncommented them for now, I don't recall them being showed anywhere. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:49, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Just found place of birth in the AT profile, but birthday and birth year are still unaccounted for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:44, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Shapeshifting, Clothes?

Anyone can explain me, how come when he shapeshifts his clothes changes to? While we saw in the older episode the guy from who he got the power needed all sorts of clothes? WaterRatj 16:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

• No matter how, changing clothes while shape shifting is canon now. -- Altes 08:53, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
• I quess he learned how to use it better--Skyeatsout 08:57, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
• Still kinda lame. I mean, the clothes must be part of his DNA if he can shapeshift them. >.> LimaBean 21:01, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
• If he shapeshifts his shoes, THIS is gonna be totally crazy. Does he? -- Altes 04:40, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
• You have to remember the rule when things can't be explained like this 'A wizard did it' Crazytom112 16:15, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
• clothes have a shape, and he can "shift" them, so... it's merely logical xD -- Meteoritu =D-
• Maybe he killed the Crazy Grin Man and got his ability... but no, the writers wanted to make it more complicated. --OutbackZack 17:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Syler - Deceased, Alive?

What happened in the latest episode is pretty crazy, what are we going to do now to describe Nathan and Sylar and their living conditions? -Barbedknives 22:02, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

• I personally think it's all about the intuitive aptitude. Sylar became who he was because he understood things, he hungered for knowledge, and it drove him to do what he did. Now, 'Nathan' has the same exact ability. Everyone on the show is human, and humans react the same way to circumstances they don't understand. Just as Peter had started to do earlier in this season Nathan will do. Nathan will essentially become what Sylar was, therefore creating a new villain in a sense, because now Nathan will be the one cutting people open to get power, and although Sylar could resist, Nathan may not resist; he may be even more susceptible to the hunger. This could make Nathan an even worse Sylar not controlled by daddy issues with nothing to stop him. --Autre31415 22:12, 27 April 2009 [EDT]
  • Or, he'll just remember everything once his healing ability kicks in. --Gibbeynator 23:14, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Totally has puppet mastery.

He HAS to have puppet mastery now. Honestly, I think it's undeniable after An Invisible Thread. My guess is that he got it through empathy before delivering Doyle to Danko. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:17, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

• I thought about that too, but you have to remember that Eric Doyle's ongoing series The Nowhere Man is still going and he is alive in it. Also, Sylar wasn't always using the hand gestures that Dolye had to when using his power. -Barbedknives 22:20, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 its telekinesis, you can tell by the way claire was feeling forced, when doyle does it it feels natural, but when sylar does it its like he has a rope on her and is pulling her lim

• Sylar has been able to telekinetically control people in the past, namely in Season 1. He is simply displaying that ability again. He did this to Audrey Hanson to force her to pull the gun to her own head and almost pull the trigger. Autre31415 22:22, April 27 2009 [EDT]

  ...Seriously? I just said that he took the ability from Doyle through empathy. And what are you talking about Doyle's victims didn't feel forced? Are you kidding me? They were fighting against Doyle all the time. You could see that when Doyle shut Claire up, she was struggling to open her mouth. And honestly you guys, they're throwing so many cues to puppet mastery. To think that it's still telekinesis after how he made Claire do things is a stretch. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:24, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 listen to autre, he just gave you a perfect example

As I said, he has done this in the past. I mean, think about TK. Movement of objects, just because a body has many parts doesn't mean he can't move each one of them. Autre31415 22:27, April 27 2009 [EDT]

Listen to me, I just countered that example. That reasoning is obsolete considering we now have an ability that controls people. It is the ONLY thing it does. Surely, no one just watching the show would jump to the conclusion that it was telekinesis when they know that puppet mastery exists. For the writers to expect people to make that assumption would be simply ludicrous. No, it's puppet mastery. Sylar had access to Doyle, as he delivered him to Danko. Sylar's also been getting more adept at his ability to absorb abilities through empathy. Furthermore, the puppet mastery sound effects were used with Sylar and Claire. No telekinesis effects were used. Plus, Sylar also made Claire WALK. If that was telekinesis, she would have just flung herself back and forth. The actions that Sylar made Claire do require much more finesse than telekinesis has to offer. It's puppet mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:33, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 it's telekinesis, what all of a sudden you cant control people with TK? he's done it before and he's just using his power to his full potential, besides this is all speculation

Again, as I already said, why would TK not move every object in the body? He used his signature TK motions, it was almost like a resurrection of his Season 1 power. He used it so much better back then. Autre31415 22:40, April 27 2009 [EDT]

I'm not saying you can't control people with TK. I'm saying that at this point, it would make more sense that it was Doyle's ability considering that ability was MADE for the purpose of controlling people. I mean, why continue to write with blood if you now have a pencil? As for his "signature TK motions," they're the same as Eric Doyle's. So does that mean Doyle had telekinesis? No. That point is null. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 23:01, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

There is no evidence that he has Puppet Mastery, to say that he might is speculation and last I checked we don't do that here. You say he uses the same motions Doyle did, you say the sound effects are the same. That's your opinion. Which makes it speculation. - BlackWidower 02:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

We'd gone over this with a discussion on telepathy. Just because Matt Parkman can use telepathy to create illusions or persuade people, doesn't mean we list him as having persuasion or illusion. Furtermore, Doyle is alive and well, and we have not seen one scene that would indicate or be construed as representing him empathizing with Doyle. So it is speculation. -Barbedknives 23:04, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm conflicted on this. On one hand they used the sound effects that are characteristic of Doyle's ability, and on the other hand the LAST time they used the effects with Sylar controlling someone the writers came out and said it was telekinesis. I don't think it makes sense for him to have acquired Doyle's ability through empathy personally, but at the same time if Doyle is still alive he couldn't have taken the ability the traditional way. This is something I'd definitely want a clear answer from the writers on. (Admin 23:06, 27 April 2009 (EDT))

• • Well, 'Sylar' is dead now. We don't even know if Sylathan has access to any of the abilities Sylar had, except maybe Intuitive Aptitude or his own native Flight. So why does it matter? PS Hiro got screwed, what kind of hero gets punished for using their power? Total BS. - Barbedknives 22:29, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Why would he lose all his abilities because he lost his memory? - BlackWidower 02:26, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • He displayed Intuitive Aptitude at the preview to volume 5, along with the ticking sound. A very good cliffhanger actually. You Knowwhat happens when people have intuitive aptitude.. Autre31415 22:32, April 27 2009 [EDT]
• I just watched this scene again and as an actor, I'm convinced that Sylar has puppet mastery. The key is in his hand positioning. When Sylar uses telekinesis, he nearly always uses two fingers pulled together, and only one hand. In the Clair scene he is using both hands, placed in a marionette position (fingers apart and curled downward unless pulling or pushing her). --Fcphantom 23:33, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
• Telekinesis (TK) could work, but not as smoothly as Puppet Mastery (PM). In the same way that Sylar has used TK to fly, his flight is not nearly as efficient as Nathan's or even West's. TK would apply pressure, while PM controls movements. I have a hard time believing that even Sylar could use TK to make Claire walk and drink as smoothly as illustrated in the episode. I vote for Puppet Mastery!--The black sylar 23:43, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
• Keep it simple my friends, I remind you Sylar has great proficiency with all his abilities, so if he really wants he can work his telekinesis pretty damn smoothly, and we have no evidence Doyle is dead, in fact according to the last graphic novel he's very much alive. Let's keep it simple, we know he has telekinesis, telekinesis is a viable method of controlling movements, anything else is pure speculation, and last I checked we don't do that here outside the fan creations. - BlackWidower 00:12, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Nobody said he was dead. In fact, everyone who supports the theory that Sylar has puppet mastery has said that he gained it through empathy. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:47, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
• Anyone recall in Season one where Sylar controlled Audrey Hanson's arm to make her point her gun at her head? - Master Dave 8:20, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
• He definitely has PR because the sound effect used when he controlled claire wast he same as when Doyle controlled people it was not the telekinesis sound! --Connorbb (Connor ROCKS !!!!) 15:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
• Rewatching the scene, it is DEFINITELY puppet mastery. I'm convinced so far as to bet my life on it. Why? The demented laughing sound effects that have NEVER before been played outside of Doyle's presence play during the Claire/Sylar scene (didn't catch this the first time). Seriously, can't that be enough? I concede, the "vault closing" sound effect when Doyle/Sylar shut people up with puppet mastery/telekinesis was used for both characters. However, the laughter is just so specific to Doyle's character and to his personality, profession, and background. I'm sorry, it just has to be puppet mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:47, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I did think at first it was TK, but after rewatching it as well there really are the Doyle sounds. Not to mention the fact that the sound cues begin as the scene is still fading into view, and when the scene fades out. I believe they wanted to make it somewhat obvious what they planned for Sylar when it came to new abilities. It has been inconspicuous before what he could do, but the way that scene played out matched Puppet Mastery perfectly. Especially when Sylar said about killing Noah: "I'll kill him... Or make you kill him." That implies the Puppet Mastery as well, as a new ability he wants to practice. Autre31415 18:01, May 4 2009 (EDT)
• It's ridiculous to say it was telekinesis. They specifically showed the scene in the intro showing sylar taking powers through empathy. Why would they show that scene unless he uses it? He took doyles power through empathy. It would be confusing to the viewers if it was otherwise, and all the sound effects match up.

Flight?

Does he have flight? I doubt it. I know we saw him fly onto that balcony but he wasn't that far from the balcony so it could just be an (admittedly advanced) application of telekinesis. The page says he acquired it from Nathan but Nathan died from a slit throat, not a slit forehead. Even if he acquired the ability after he killed Nathan, I didn't see a missing brain, and I know people are going to use the Jim Martin example of how Sylar acquired Shape shifting by not opening the skull, but I remind you that he used that method because he had to that time and had not used it at any other time, showing he prefers to open the skull. So I don't think we should have flight listed in his arsenal. - BlackWidower 00:05, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• Totally agreed, I don't think Flight should be listed. He might have used telekinesis to lift himself in the air. If flight is listed, the ability puppet master should also be listed. It is NEVER proven that both flight and puppet master abilities have been aquired by sylar, but yet he SEEMED to use them in An Invisible Thread. He seemed to use puppet master on Claire, but he might be using Telekinesis. So if flight is listed, puppet master should be too. -- JLYK 13:11, 28 April 2009 (EST)
  • Besides, even if he got Flight from Nathan, he used it before he killed Nathan. It makes no sense. - BlackWidower 01:39, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • But that would explain why he slit Nathan's throat, not slice his head open. Could he absorb his ability through empathy? -- Altes 08:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Occam's Razor, unless we see him definitively using flight, he does not have flight. He was using Telekinesis. - BlackWidower 18:50, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

I thought he used TK to levitate down to the floor, so I would agree he never took Flight from Nathan. I assume now he has Flight now since you could say he knows Nathan so well (much better than himself), he has empathically obtained Flight. Not to mention the new Nathan would be confused if he couldn't fly. - Master Dave 8:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• • • • I think that because Sylar had transformed into Nathan so many times, and because he had looked into all the memories of Nathan's clothing, he understood him well enough to empathiclly absorb his ability. I also agree that on the balcony Sylar was probably levatating himself with tk. --Tsmarg
        • Yeah, I guess he never had Flight until Matt erased his memories and he became Nathan or something like that.
          • Even with that, he may still not have flight. - BlackWidower 18:51, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
            • This is true, I do agree we shouldn't list Sylar with Flight as it isn't confirmed. Although Nathan knows he can fly so the new Nathan would be confused if he suddenly couldn't fly. But since Nathan rarely uses power it might not matter...
              • Sylar does have flight! The sound that was made when Sylar glided onto the balconey only happens when someone is flying and it made the sound. Also, referring to what was said about Sylar needing to cut heads open to get abilities, HE DOESN'T NEED TO! Arthur Petrelli taught Sylar how to absorb evolved humans' abilities without slicing their heads open. Sylar did this when they fought in the air by the suite!
                • That's very good conjecture, but there's also very good conjecture on this page that goes directly against what you are saying. Ultimately, it's not confirmed whether or not Sylar has the ability to fly. Personally I believe he does. But until it's confirmed, we won't assume that he can fly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:52, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
  • I think we can safely list Sylar as having flight without it being speculative. Think about it- how would Sylar impersonate Nathan, and convince himself that he himself IS Nathan, if he doesn't have Nathan's power? If he does not have Flight Angela's illusion would collapse the moment "Nathan" tried to use his Flight power and couldn't. Angela is intelligent enough to know this, as are the writers. "Nathan" no longer knows he has telekinesis, so he cannot use that as a substitute for flight even it were possible. We also have several cues in the episode that may be explained with Sylar having flight already- the fact he went straight for Nathan's throat instead of holding him in place to cut his skull (as he was originally planning to do at the end of I Am Sylar), and the fact he levitated down onto the balcony (which can be either telekinesis or flight). We also have a case for how Sylar would have acquired this ability empathically- due to his clairsentience he spent a good deal of time learning all about Nathan's life by sucking memories out of his possessions. It is likely that this is exactly the same as what happened to James Martin, who, like Nathan, Sylar only met for a short time and was able to gain his power from. Furthermore, with Sylar now believing he is Nathan, he understands more about Nathan's life then anyone else, which should easily let him manifest (even if he did not take) Nathan's flight power via empathy.

For these reasons, I therefore suggest it can be listed as an ability he posseses. No, we don't know for absolute certainty that Sylar has Flight, but it seems to me to be the most basic logical leap that if Sylar is going to be Nathan, then he must possess Nathan's ability. I truly doubt anyone who considers the entire picture will seriously believe Sylar will not demonstrate Flight after Volume 5 begins (regardless of the debate of how and when). This seems more then enough for us to say that he does in fact have Flight. If we really really need absolute, irrefutable evidence that Sylar has Flight, so be it. But that strikes me as a little short-sighted, to say the very least.- Swmystery 11:30, 02 May 2009 (GMT)

• why is everyone being so ridiculously stubborn? He clearly has flight. He had the sound effect and it would confuse nylar if all of a sudden he can't fly. He has flight. I don't mean to be rude, but the naysayers are just being plain stupid.
  • Okay, let's include flight in his abilities list. And when Volume Five airs, we discover that it was merely telekinesis and remove flight again. Or we get a confirmation it was flight after all. As for me, I think it was flight, but I'm not a writer nor a precog, so I'm against the changes. AltesUTC CH

Getting Sick of Sylar

Amy I the only one who thinks Sylar has worn out his welcome? I'm not saying he was a bad villian, quite contrarily he was an excellent villian, I just feel like the writers have completely explored his character and I'd like to see something new as the prime mysterious badguy. It gets old seeing the same faces and powers causing all the chaos. Intuitive aptitude needs to die as well in my opinion, it's just too easy to write formulaic plots when Sylar can get any power that is introduced. I'd like to see a strong villian with only one power but is resourceful enough to be as deadly or more than Sylar, and not played by Zachary Quinto. -Barbedknives (talk)00:13, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• I just wish Sylar could steal cloning. THAT would be great, having hundreds, nay, thousands of Sylars running around!!! ALL PLAYED BY ZACHARY QUINTO!!!!! --Crazylicious 00:15, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

You son of a-- *nosebleeds* Barbedknives (talk)00:17, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• • LOL)))))) you're right, guys. We had enough of Sylar. But transforming him into Nathan... well, that's definitely something new and interesting to have just a little more patience. -- Altes 01:35, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I nominate Tracy or Alice as new villian. With her newfangled water/steam/ice mimicry she's a great example of a character with only one ability but able to wreck devastation and in general be a bitch to kill. Same with Alice. Also, ffs kill off Hiro or give his powers back, at the very least stop giving him headaches! TIME TRAVEL RULES!! -Barbedknives (talk)01:39, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Well the writers wanted to give sylar a break too. That's why he's nathan now. He'll probably realize he's sylar near the end of the series and flip his lid again when he realizes he's a monster.

Tranquilizers and Rapid Cell Regeneration

Does anyone find it a little odd that RCR doesn't have counter effects to that of a tranquilizer? If you remember Claire didn't get intoxicated after drinking massive amounts of liquer because of her ability, and I'd think the same principle would apply. -Barbedknives (talk)01:20, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• It's possible because alcohol causes actual damage, regeneration neutralizes it. Tranqs don't cause damage per se, they just knock you out. - BlackWidower 01:43, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Memory

Are his memories totally erased or is it still somewhere inside his brain?NuparuMahnika

• I think he's still there and that "Nathan" ist just a bomb waiting to go off. With a VERY short fuse. Past (and future) events have shown, that brain alterations inflicted by mental manipulation as well as telepathy can be undone by rapid cell regeneration as well as healing. As soon as Sylar's RCR kicks in or some over-enthusiastic healer can't keep his hands to himself. Sylar will be back in full swing.

The far more intruiging question is: How much Nathan is actually in there? If he uses Nathan's stuff on a daily basis, he will relive almost all of Nathan's life through clairsentience. When Sylar comes back 'round, will he still see part of him as Nathan?--LongBlackCoat 05:55, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• But he can't use clairsentience, he doesn't even knows he have that ability.NuparuMahnika
• He obviously can use intuitive aptitude, and Angela seems to expect him to use clairsentience to "fill the gaps" in his memories concerning Nathan's life.--LongBlackCoat 06:03, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
• Perhaps he can use Clairsentience and IA subconciously to some extent. I don't think he can regenerate at all unless he actually knows he has it. I wonder what would happen if he used Clairsentience on Angela or his own body...Of course he doesn't know he has it.
  • Matt Parkman has never been displayed with the ability to selectively shut off other evolve human's abilities. Which means that there is really no way to explain as of now why he would not have his abilities at all. He just thinks he's someone else, that doesn't magically rewrite his DNA. Autre31415 06:45, April 28 2009 [EDT]
    • I think so, because Matt did'nt do the transformation, he only forced Sylar to change into Nathan which actually is a DNA-rewriting as Sylar complained himself with one blue eye! --Juba 09:14, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
      • The assumption that shape shifting rewrites the shifter's DNA might be false. Sylar is the only one who stated that this happened when changing shape, which could have been an unqualified statement (since intuitive aptitude makes him understand any given system but doesn't necessarily provide him with the knowledge to correctly address the process goin gon in his body in scientific terms). A DNA test on James Martin still confirmed his identity, plus Sylar has been able to regenerate in his former assumed shape as Agent Donner.
  • Or it's possible that sylar has evolved the ability more, or they just retconned it. The writers haven't been consistent with shape shifting at all.

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What do you think, should it be changed to some of Nathan's, since Sylar wears only his face for six weeks at least? -- Altes 08:16, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• At least a morphing half&half! We will have a serious problem putting all on Sylar while the appearance is Nathan's (who is really dead!). I would prefer to create a new character and leave both originals intact... the watch is still ticking inside! --Juba 09:07, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I was wondering how we would deal with that, maybe change Sylar to Nathan II, Nathan(II) or, The Second Nathan. Or create a new character page, or give Nathan all of Sylar's current abilities since Sylar assumed Nathan's identity. - BlackWidower 15:40, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

It's still Sylar's body. Whatever his body does should be place on Sylar's article regardless of who he think he is. Nathan isn't doing any of it because Nathan is dead. It can't be Nathan II because it's still Sylar, he just doesn't know who he really is. If "Nathan" goes and kills Peter, then it should be included on the Sylar article. --Snow Leapord 13:31, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• I agree with Snow Leapord. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

More Angela's lies?

Idea. Sooner or later 'Nathan' is going to discover that he has all of Sylar's powers. What do we expect from Angela to do? Have the Haitian help him forget it, or tell him a tale like 'you know, your ability never was flight, you are Arthur's son after all, and when you were injected, you gained an ability to absorb powers as well, you just took flight from someone, then all of Sylar's powers...' Hmmmm... -- Altes 11:06, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• I think the plan's most likely simpler: Sylar figures out who he really is - Sylar gets whacked. Since Sylar was never good at the getting whacked part, he'll most likely screw that up and get out while he still can. But since Noah's in on the whole thing, I can't picture 'The Plan' to be telling him a(nother) sweet bedtime story. Especially since from the second he figures out what he can do, even Angela won't be able to lie to him anymore.
  • I remember reading that lie detection could be tricked... --Trevorrrj 07:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Sylar abilty of flight

Why does it say sylar has the ability of flight? He slit Nathan's thoat and left him, he didn't take his abilty. When he lowered himself down from the air he was most likely using telekinesis. if this is true surely if he trys to fly he'll realize he's not Nathan?

After the fight with Nathan and Peter, Sylar flew in the window to kill Nathan, he must have gotten it somehow.

We didn't see him fly in, he levitated down slowly so he could have been using TK. I assume now he has Flight now since you could say he knows Nathan so well (much better than himself), he has empathically obtained Flight. Not to mention the new Nathan would be confused if he couldn't fly. --Master Dave 11:56, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• He was probably using telekinesis. He just used the same technique he used on Peter in Eris Quod Sum to slow down his own fall.--Spexile 16:57, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I totally agree! Because Sylar can take abilities empathically, so most likely when Nathan or Sylar pushed the other through the window Sylar copied. Now I dont think it was his TK, because Heroes used the flying sound effect other than the TK effect. [AdamJones]

• Let's not forget that Heroes sometimes uses sound effects for the "coolness factor" like in Season 1 when Sylar's voice got low like Eden's persuasion power. It could be that they used that sound just because what Sylar was doing with TK was similar to flight but not the actual power. Clay wise 14:46, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• • Erm, to AdamJones, you can't use sound effect to judge on the abilities. When Sylar was "controlling" Claire to pour wine, the sound effect belongs to the Puppet master ability. He might be using telekinesis. When Matt made Sylar think he was Nathan, you can actually hear the invisibility sound effect. So did he actually use invisibility? In 1961, when Charles used his telepathy to make everyone in the cafe forget, there was no mind reading effect. Enough said, all these can-sylar-fly or what-are-peter-power(s) debate will go on all the way to September. --JLYK 18:25, 30 April 2009 (EST)

To JLYK, your right I shouldnt use the sound effects but I know for a god given fact that Sylar got flight... you know why? Because he is Nathan now, it would make no sense if one day Nathan (Sylar) tried to fly and nothing happens. So therefore... Im 100 percent certain that he has flight.

If Sylar can take James Martin's power by empathy, why wouldn't he take Nathan's ?

He spent the last few days learning and understanding everything about Nathan, so of course he got the Flight.

I don't even see how you can have any doubt.

He couldn't have take over Nathan's flight with TK, it's obvious (otherwise he would have been back sooner).

Moreover, he never really flew with TK, never, he can lift up himself but can't clearly fly in the air, and i don't see how he could have had brought Nathan in the hotel while "levitating" and not flying.

Nathan came back first so obviously (as Claire didn't see them) they were far away from the window, and that would turn levitating into real flight, which is dumb because they never did that before, and with Sylar's recent use of empathy, it's pretty unlikely.

Why would he arrived "faster" ?

Look at Nathan in the same episode geez... They go fast only when they are in the air, not in a "room".

Nathan doesn't go faster than Sylar when he demonstrates his flying to Liam.

And as you said, the new Nathan would knew since the beginning something is wrong, which is merely impossible.

teveryone is working under the presumption that he used empathy and saying he used it on James Martin but it never shows or tells how he took James martins power for all we know he could have shoved his brain out his nose! somehow i just can't imagine Sylar next to someone he is gonna kill saying "I know how you feel the pain its understandable it's ok and giving them a friendly pat on the shoulder.

BTE confirmed it was empathy, with no through the nose removal, long time ago, that's practically common knowledge. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:36, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Thrashmeister is right!! It's PR

I'm saying this because remember that Sylar can now gain powers through some kind of empathy? Like he got Elle's in the first place? And why was he flying when he was fighting Nathan, in the balcony, BEFORE murdering him?? IT WAS THROUGH EMPATHY, he must've got it, either from Dual or from when he dropped off Doyle at Danko's apartment... Although I don't know how he got out of Tom Miller's home so fast that time so I can't rely on the Nathan-Flight-Empathy fact... but it's PR!! -- Meteoritu =D- 22:25 (GMT), 28 April 2009

No it's levitation through telekinesis. This phenomenon was also documented earlier, when he killed Dale Smither in Unexpected (although it was, admittedly, not explicitly stated it was such.

That too, is speculative, considering you're basing it off of an unconfirmed example. But like I also said, we can't really say either way. I have submitted questions to CBR concerning flight/puppet mastery; hopefully we'll get them answered soon. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 19:57, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

I thought he was levitating with TK too, until I rewatched it. The flight sound effect is definitely used instead of the "swish-swish" TK sound effect. - Hive 20:28, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Uhh... just out of curiosity... why do you keep calling it PR? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 08:26, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

How did Sylar get out of Tom's and Danko's respective apartments so fast?

Just wondering. -- Meteoritu =D- 22:27 (GMT), 28 April 2009

• He didn't leave, he transformed into Taub. - BlackWidower 18:53, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• • In Danko's apartment, I'm talking about the Into Asylum encounter. One moment he was with Danko, the next he was at the top of a building... -- Meteoritu =D- 22:18 (GMT), May 5th 2009

Ummm...

Why does Sylar's "known powers" list state he has "Puppet Master", when Doyle is clearly alive and Sylar hasn't shown anything that can't be explained away by Ability homology? Did I miss an important BTE or something? Is Doyle dead and "Nowhere Man" is a flashback?--Uncanny474 17:33, 28 April 2009 (EDT) Nowhere Man has always been a flashback. It takes place between the time Claire gave him a new identity and when Sylar captured him and gave him to Danko. --Snow Leapord 18:48, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

So surely someone should remove that note (DO NOT ADD PUPPET MASTER TO SYLAR'S POWER LIST. His control of Claire in "An Invisible Thread" is entirely consistent with telekinesis.) in the edit section of the page, and actually add Puppet Master to the list of known powers, because it was so obvious that was the power being used by Sylar when controlling Claire. You could hear sound effects of children laughing, which is definatly not associated with Telekinesis. Puppets and children seem to fit together... --RagaMunki 00:19, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

I think this is what some people aren't understanding, Sylar does have 'Puppet master', it was so obvious. And he has Flight the sound cue was there. But lets say he didn't have flight from Nathan, say he evolved his Telekinesis. So now he can "fly". So does he have flight? Yes! Because it doesn't matter how he gets it, it's a different ability, he now has the same DNA code that Nathan used to fly. --Powermimic 00:18, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• The issue isn't really whether Sylar has Puppet Master or not...it's whether we can say he has acquired that ability beyond a shadow of a doubt. I think it's clear from this debate that we cannot say that. To do so, we'd really need to delve more into how his empathy works. For every other power he has ever absorbed (iirc), we have been given at least one of three things:

1. We see Sylar take the power, usually via slicing the head, occassionally via his "empathy" (whatever that is).
2. We are told Sylar has acquired the power and from whom...usually told by Sylar himself.
3. We see Sylar demonstrate a previously known power and see or are told about a dead evolved human who has said power and has encountered Sylar (usually with their head cut open).
To my knowledge, every power he has acquired, either before or after the Shanti virus incident, has fallen into one of these three categories (often into more than one of them). To say he has Puppet Master means we'd need to revise #2 to include his ability to "empathically" gain powers; something which isn't really understood, as it's barely mentioned anywhere on pages (eg - there is no power called "empathy" (empathic mimicry doesn't count, as we cannot confirm Sylar has ever had that power); it does not appear on his page, and barely appears on the intiuitive aptitude page). So, until we either know more about that aspect or decide to classify it ourselves, I don't think we can confirm he has Puppet Master, even if the power he's displayed and the sound cues seem to indicate he does. For all we know, it's another power similar to Puppet Master that he gained somewhere else...it's just too speculative to state he has it, imo. --Stevehim 01:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

• Well I just have to disagree. The sound cues and actions make it clear that it was puppet master.
• The sound cues aren't exactly trustworthy. By that logic he also has invisibility and had persuasion. Plus, one of his actions in controlling Claire caused her to stumble backwards. If it was Puppet Master, could't he make her walk backwards and sit down? She was clearly pushed. The sound effects may have been for "coolness." Sylar's sound effects have rarely been consistentSpencer 02:08, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Yes, we always assume Sylar's gains things empathically when cleary he isn't that empathic at all... In Season 1 he made Audrey Hanson point her gun at her head. Case closed. --Master Dave 02:11, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
• One, Sound effects mean nothing. Two, there are some MAJOR differences between TK flight and Flight. The major one is speed. In The Eclipse, Part One and Turn and Face the Strange, Nathan is shown flying between countries in a single episode. Even granting a little time passing while we're watching other things happen, it's still WAY too fast for it to be accomplished the same way Sylar does. As far as we've seen, Sylar has to take it slow, and he has trouble landing. Nathan can land at full speed. I don't even need to cite for this one. When he lands, it's just a landing. When Sylar landed, it was slow, ominous, and definetely un-Flightlike. There is obviously a difference.--Uncanny474 16:43, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
• As for Puppet Mastery, there is a HUGE difference there, too. As far as I can tell (prove me wrong!), Sylar didn't do the same actions as Claire, but instead moved his hands like he normally does for TK. Doyle has to move his hands to move people. Although he might have TK (see his discussion page for more). Case Closed.--Uncanny474 16:44, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Sylar can take powers without killing people..

No, not through empathy. That was Arthur's ruse. Sylar can observe a power and steal it now if he takes his time. He didn't kill James Martian, Doyle, or Nathan for their powers. He just absorbed them. He did kill Nathan and James through other means, though. - Cen

• But he did kill James Martin, remember? Danko told Sylar that he was still alive after he shot him, and asked him not to leave a mark when taking his ability. Also, he never took Doyle's or Nathan's powers, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. PrometheusMMIV 02:07, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• • I don't think he took Doyle's because there was no puppet sound cue with Claire, and she clearly looked forced by telekinesis when she was pouring the wine and drinking. She was shaking, as if she was trying to fight it, whereas with Doyle's power, there was no way for her to try and fight back as he had control of her muscles. Now Sylar has taken flight the same way he took shapeshifting. Here's why: They showed in the starting refresher clips that Danko told him to take the power without cutting open the head, and he also did the same thing with Elle's power. I believe that he can tell how to use a power without ripping open the head, but it takes longer, kinda like reading a piece of paper through frosted glass, it can be done, it just takes longer.

They also had the sound cue, that was unmistakable. And lastly, if he did not take flight, then 'Nathan' would have known something was wrong when he didn't have it after the fight. Dracomaster4 09:52, 29 April 2009 (EDT) We never say him fly only seeing him landing, he could have merely used TK to levitate down to the floor. --Master Dave 10:36, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Nathan's Memories

Just reading Sylar's latest update on the new finale. I saw that it said, He has only Nathan's memories now, including the knowledge he can fly. If Sylar in fact did NOT gain Flight, won't Nathan know something. I mean, it seems Nathan has been using flight more frequently than any other season. And if he goes to use it again, and nothing. What happens when he starts asking questions.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:15, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

• I think this is proof that Sylar did in fact absorb flight. My bet is that through his use of clairsentience and acquiring many of Nathan's memories before Matt's brainwashing, Sylar was able to use the empathic side of his intuitive aptitude and gain access to Nathan's ability. --Whizzles 21:27, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
• Why can't people accept that Sylar gained Flight? He thinks he is Nathan, and no doubt will eventually fly. Sylar gained the ability the same way he took Elle's, the Shape-shifting and multiple others. The writers have said he doesn't need to cut open their head anymore, just understand them. --Powermimic 00:07, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • It's also a possibility that he gained flight from someone we never saw. He got to the top of the building awfully fast after talking to Danko in his car in Into Asylum.
• Nathan's brain was never exposed, and Sylar seemed to have not kept the habit of 'keeping it clean' when acquiring new abilities, for example, when he got Tom Miller's power. Sylar would have no reason to not expose the brain, as he went on to kill Nathan straight after. Surely this shows he could not have obtained flight from nathan. Perhaps if he attempted to fly now, he would subconsciously be using his Telekinesis to fly. Also every time he took a power without exposing the brain, and with exposing the brain, it required some amount of concentration, which i imagine would be pretty hard while being in the air... --RagaMunki 11:27, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar can get powers empathically and since he knows Nathan at such a personal level it if safe to say he has Flight. I don't think he had flight until he took Nathan's identity completely. Since he has none of his own memories only Nathan's, he understands Nathan completely. I don't think he used TK to fly only levitate like he did when he landed back into the suite. --Master Dave 06:37, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
• It's very likely Sylar has absorbed Nathan's ability through empathy (this would explain why he just slit his throat, not sliced his head open), but until we witness Sylar flying, we can't be sure. --Altes 13:20, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Yes, remember he got the lighting ability from Elle without killing her. --OutbackZack 13:25, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• What I'm wondering is what's going to happen when "Nathan" cuts himself shaving and heals. I think that would be an eye opener to say the least. He wouldn't be able to go far without figuring that out. Also he's a politician.... you think no one's going to lie to him without his head buzzing? Eventually Angela's going to have to tell him the truth about who he is. I think we'll reach a point where both "Nathan" and "Sylar" will be considered dead and a new personality will arise that has elements of both people. Clay wise 14:54, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Clocks

Ok, it always bothered me that Sylar is able to detect that a clock is not set to the "right" time. He does this earlier in Season 1 when working in the watch store, and as Nathan in "An Invisible Thread." I can understand if he is good enough to listen to a clock and tell that it's running slow (e.g. losing 1 second every hour, etc), but not that it's currently "A minute and a half behind." Unless he is synced up to the atomic clock with the correct time, it doesn't make sense for him to intuitively know that a clock is set to the wrong time. PrometheusMMIV 02:46, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

• I actually think "synced up with the atomic clock" is the likeliest explanation. My theory is that he just knew the "correct" time at one point, and his brain has been mentally and subconsciously keeping its own time based on that time to this day... if you get what I mean. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 08:29, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
  • He knows how things work and how they should go. Isn't that enough? -- Altes
    • I think it's obvious. He looked at how the atomic clock was made and his DNA changed to give him the ability of atomic clock
      • lol. Wait, are you serious?--Uncanny474 16:23, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Intuitive aptitude + Clairsentience + Empathy = On Touch Power Absorption?

I was just wondering if the combination of these three powers would allow for simple touch power absorption, like Arthur but without taking the other power.

In theory, he is able to touch something, acquire all information and history of the object, analyze and understand it, then empathize with it. What do you guys think? -Barbedknives (talk)13:29, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

I perfer the idea of shape-shifting his dna to include their powers dna. If he can determine exactly what they look like from their dna, surely he could get their power? --Quig 14:48, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's new powers (Puppet Master and Flight); an explanation

I'm Seeing this debate about

1. Whether Sylar indeed has Puppet Master and Flight or is simply applying his TK in a novel manner and
2. If he has them, where'd he get them?

I think I have a plausible and document-able explanation: Firstly, we know from Danko's comments in Turn and Face the Strange know that Sylar had numerous successful captures as Agent Taub. Also in Season 3 week 29 of BTE they throw around the Idea that Sylar acquired a few new abilities acting as a building 26 agent. Two of those abilities could easily be Puppet Master and Flight. So, why cant we say that he acquired those two abilities from unknown sources instead of trying to figure out if/how he acquired them from Doyle and Nathan, respectively, and call the whole debate off? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

• Because that's still speculation. We haven't seen him demonstrate anything that couldn't be explained with TK, we haven't seen any of his victims with those abilities, and he hasn't mentioned any of them either. If you go from the premise that while working for Danko as an agent and/or taking abilities from captives in Building 26, then you could just say he got any power you feel like, using that logic.

You could say he got aerokinesis because he cut Nathan's throat, or whatever you want.

It will be hard to tell if we ever do whether or not he has puppet mastery, in any case. -Barbedknives (talk)02:08, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

The Behind the Eclipse interview is not 100% accurate and it is proven lots of times. They said we will find out how Peter gets his scar in Dual, it never happen (they claim that it was deleted). They also said by shapeshifting one can't change his clothes. Wrong. And there are also stupid answer at times like "Will Claude appear this season? - he has been in every shot, you just can't see him." and then... "Will West appear then? - He is always flying, there he is." I rephrase them but it is exactly what they meant. And when they don't want to answer certain questions they give dumb replies like "Huh? What? I lost you there?" --JLYK 18:36, 30 April 2009 (EST)

• I don't think we have enough evidence that he has acquired either power. There was the debate about the whole "hiding in plain sight" power that he seems to have on several occasions, another on his apparent ability to teleport/levitate, and another on his pre-Claire seeming invulnerability/healing, and all were explained away by TK (ie - if he has a power that can account for his actions and we aren't specifically told/shown him acquiring a new one, we can't list him as having it). With respect to flight, even if he does have it, we wouldn't know if he got it from Nathan or Peter, since we never saw what happened in the battle in the room. I would suggest the safest thing is to assume he doesn't have these powers until we get solid confirmation, and if people feel that strongly about it, maybe list something vague in the Notes section about the instances they were displayed and how it isn't yet clear if they were newly acquired powers or applications of his pre-existing ones. --Stevehim 12:27, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
• you are fogeting we see sylar fly in onto the balcony at the end of the flight, just before sylar slits nathans thoat. Fred1793 17:06, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't forgetting it, I was suggesting we currently don't have enough evidence to say it was flight instead of telekinesis. --Stevehim 17:20, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
    • He landed, slowly. Levitated to the ground. Could have easily been TK. --Master Dave 02:15, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • I thought the same thing, then I watched the scene again and they deliberately made the flight sound cue. --Autre31415 17:54, May 4 2009 (EDT)

• • • • • I'm not quite sure about flight still, but im 100% sure he has puppetry. Listen for the children's laughter when hes moving claire around, then watch the episode "Dying of the Light" and listen to Doyle use his puppetry. Exact same sound effect. Also Sylar's hands are not in his usual telekinesis form. Now what made him decide to use this instead of telekenisis i dont know...--NaokiB4U 06:21, 10 May 2009 (EDT) 3:21, 10 May 2009 (PST)

• • • • • • I believe the same thing, but not simply because of the sounds. Notice how when he starts talking about how people will die, including her father. Sylar said "I'll kill him too... Or maybe I'll make you" This to me implies that he decided to tinker with this unused ability of controlling others, because he has finally got control of himself and a plan & Goal (Like when he told Luke not to use abilities without a plan, goal, and clear head)--Autre31415 07:35, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

What body?

If Sylar was busy being Nathan, what body was being burned in An Invisible Thread?--Laudo 10:45, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

• It was the body of James Martin, the original shapeshifter who died while impersonating Sylar.--Piemanmoo 13:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Yup, it was definitely James Martin, though I would think it would make more sense to burn Nathan's body and keep Martin's, as the shapeshifter's body could be used to convince the authorities that Sylar was really dead (though I suppose they still have his bones to check that), whereas Nathan's body needs to be gotten rid of to avoid troublesome questions. But you can clearly see it is Zachary Quinto being burned, so it must be Martin, as Piemanmoo says. --Stevehim 15:12, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Infobox - a few issues

• Why was this changed? Weren't we still discussing it? If we are changing it, can we now add all of his acquired powers with "lost" next to those he no longer has, and do the same for Peter? Also, shouldn't we put something like "former" next to his aliases/name, since he is now Nathan Petrelli? --Stevehim 12:32, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
• Am I the only one who thinks this infobox is long, unwieldy, and not serving the purpose of providing a quick reference to the character? Really, you should be able to get the information presented in an infobox without having to scroll down three screens. --Ted C 13:04, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
• What's the current plan here? Now we've reverted back to shape shifting links in the infobox, but they go to the Notes section instead of templates? I have to voice some opposition to that, especially since it just takes you to the top of the Notes section instead of the actual note itself. If we're doing links, I truly feel templates are the way to go. I'll revert it back to listing them all for now, but we really should get some discussion going again about the infobox, its purpose, and its length limitations, if any. --Stevehim 11:34, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

SHOUTING

NO FLIGHT! NO F**KING FLIGHT! SPECULATIVE! DON'T ADD IT! *************!!!

Shortening the infobox

I'm sorry, it was me who did it. I thought it was quite a good idea. Wasn't it? -- Altes 03:57, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

• Nope, see the discussion above. We decided that it's best to keep all the relevant information in the infobox, and not link to templates. --Radicell 04:09, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I'm not sure that was ever decided. It seemed that you and Ryan were argung for keeping the information in there, whereas Ted C, Meteoritu and Sylar Fan09 was arguing against it. I fall on the side of consistency, in that if we keep the information in there we should list all of his lost powers, but if we are trying to keep the infobox simple by NOT listing his lost powers, then that mantra should be applied to the shape shifting as well. If Atles feels the infobox should be kept concise as well, it seems like it's 2 people for listing in the infobox and 4 people against (with me on both sides of the fence, depending on the overall issue). Based on that, I'd say the issue is still up in the air, but if more people feel that the information doesn't belong directly listed in the infobox, I don't see why we'd assume we should do that (unless it's an executive decision, which would be up to RGS and Ted C to sort out). --Stevehim 14:14, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
• I have shortened the Infobox and explained my reasons in internal comments. In short, the Portrayer(s) lists only names people who have played Sylar, not people that Sylar has impersonated. His alias list similarly excludes people he has impersonated. Please discuss instead of immediately reversing these changes. --Ted C 10:13, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Practical question

• How are we going to refer to Sylar as Nathan, when updating things? Do we just call him Nathan and link to Sylar's page? --Stevehim 14:38, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
• I guess... It would be annoying to write "Nathan" each time, but Sylar may be confusing... -- Altes 05:11, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
• We could combine names like Sylthan or Nylar possibly -Vampirate68 09:35, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I vote for Nylar.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:24, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

In other articles, I've been saying the first time as "Sylar, shape shifted as so-and-so, does such-and-such" and then refer to him as Sylar until the next scene, where it's restated that he is in another appearance. --Crazyaspie 15:53, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Peter Petrelli?

• It says he shifted into Peter, but I don't recall him doing that in the season finale. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:29, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
  • He didn't truly shift into him, but if you watch the scene where Sylar shakes "the President's" hands, he shapeshifts rapidly, and he partially shapeshifts into Peter. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:53, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Thanks, and I would have figured that would be the case since he was shapeshifting rapidly into people. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 23:11, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

New Powers Section

i've never edited a page before.

can't you just make a small section in sylar's category called 'Possibly Aquired Abilities' and put in flight and puppet master or whatever and write an example about when he demonstrated aspects of those abilities? You could also put in some other abilities that sylar might have.

But he flew with telekinesis, not with flight, and the PuppetMaster, Doyle, show for us about his ability can be telekinesis (see how he close the door on Nowhere Man, Part 4. Gabrielense 12:18, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

It's unconfirmed info, so it doesn't get listed. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:25, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

While it is unconfirmed, I think Sylar may have picked up abilities using the empath bit of his abilities (He uses clairsentience to find out more about them, thereby taking their abilities without ripping their heads off) -Beta wolf | Talk

Like I said, if it's a may, even a likely one, it doesn't get listed because it's not confirmed. Also, clairsentience doesn't allow him to acquire abilities, what it does is give Sylar info that he needs in order to connect with the person whose power he replicates. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:40, 25 May 2009 (EDT)

I still think we should go for it. We say that he MAY have been using those abilities on their pages, and on the telekinesis page. Why don't we have a section on Sylar's ability section listing abilities he MIGHT have? Or at least a note in the Notes section.

Also regarding the ability section, it says that the abilities he gained pre-Shanti virus were suppressed by said virus, and then says that after he got cured of said virus, he "collected the following abilities." However, it says nothing about LOSING the abilities he had pre-Shanti virus. Hasn't it been confirmed that he lost those abilities (Though I believe they were merely suppressed, considering how they were obtained--through deep hurting understanding.)? If so, shouldn't the article say that?--ERROR 22:04, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Maybe a Totally Different Ability

I was watching um, The Invisible Thread episode again. I downloaded it... :) anyways. i heard that the sound effects sylar used when he was manipulating claire were completely different from when Doyle would control his victims. is it possible its a new ability? or what? --Scorvi12 23:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

It was just telekinesis, Claire was struggling. When Doyle used his puppet mastery, the person being controlled didn't struggle. This issue was talked before, please search this info before posting stuff like this. Thanx - Discipol

To clear up a few things, they were the exact same sound effects as Doyle's ability. Additionally, people DID struggle while under the hold of Eric Doyle using his ability. The previous topic can be found on this same page: Talk:Sylar#Totally_has_puppet_mastery. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:30, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

DID HE FORGET CLAIRSENTIENCE?

I recently was watching Volume 4 over again, and realised something. in chapters 1 and 2, Sylar takes that guy captive, the soldier of Danko's, right. He keeps him alive because he wants to know information about who he works for. Why didn't he use his clairsentience like he did near the end of the volume. I know the writers probably only didn't use this so he could meet Luke, but still? Really? Anyone else dissappointed at this?--Mc hammark 06:07, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

• Maybe his sadistic side got the best out of him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:38, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Alias: Rebel

Sylar never went by Rebel in the show. When Tom Miller asked him if he was Rebel, Sylar said he was a rebel. He never actually went by Rebel, unless I'm missing something. --Crazyaspie 21:58, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

• Sylar morphed into Micah in I Am Sylar and thus took his alias. -- Altes 14:41, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

A theory how Sylar used to disappear

Our beloved Cockney Heroes fanfic has described an ability such as "shadow mimicry", which allows its user to become an ethereal shape... and to hide in the dark. If you think Sylar always used telekinesis to hide, remember How to Stop an Exploding Man: Peter and HRG stood at Kirby Plaza, and Sylar wasn't seen anywhere, not even floating in the air. Guess he was "hiding in plain sight", like Peter said... for example, under HRG's feet. -- Altes 14:46, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

• No such ability was ever suggested to exist. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Yes it was, the assignment tracker map mentions a shady figure seen in Reno, NV. -- Altes 02:11, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Was the person listed as deceased? If not, Sylar didn't get to him/her. We've also seen all abilities Sylar has taken since Shanti Virus, and considering he also disappeared impossibly before getting Claire's ability, his first after recovering, it can't be it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:17, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Dunno. I was talking about Sylar's powers before he was infected. That guy from Reno might not be the only one with shadow mimicry, or the ATM simply is unaware he is dead. And how Sylar disappeared while chasing Claire in her home - he only had TK then. So I have no idea. Anyway, shadow mimicry is a mere speculation. -- Altes 05:08, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
        • also remember that after getting the Shanti virus Sylar was left with just Telekineses:Sylar clearly used his hiding in plain sight technique on Clair in The second coming --Tsmarg
          • Well, if Sylar had only telekinesis then, he wasn't using anything else. But in How to Stop an Exploding Man he couldn't hide anywhere. -- Altes 12:43, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
          • maybe he was using freezing to turn into water.

Article Images

Sylar has a Gallery that has So many images of him, But in his article He has only two images.

I wanted to see his article has lots of images (It would look better), so I put it and Saved it.. Next Day I found his article Has the same two images!! I put it again But I found it Deleted in the next day too!!!

So What is the problem in putting images in my favorite character's Article?? --posted by Sylar2105 at 01:54, 19 June 2009

Because it's not necessary, adding to many images clutters the page. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:00, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Left-Handed

If Sylar is left-handed, why does he cut people's heads open with his right hand? I mean, wouldn't you use your dominant hand for that? (I think only lefties such as myself would pick up on this) ;) --Punxas 12:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

• maybe he is ambidextrous.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:39, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
• You know, I think the writers screwed up. They made Sylar to make a note with his left hand only so Claire could figure out he's not Nathan. I don't think it's important - it's stupid. -- Altes 04:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
• Well Zachery Quinto himself is left handed. --Patient Zero 07:13, 27 June 2009 (GMT)

Gabriel is Anakin Skywalker and Sylar is Darth Vader in having IA

In Star Wars Episode 1 Anakin says that he built a pod racer and tell Qui-Gon he can fix his space ship and in 2 or 3 he says, I'm good at fixing such. It is also in the 3rd episode he has hunger, he wants to move on and develop his Jedi skills and Sylar has learnt to develop his power that he has gain through others.{50000JH}

Yep, they are alike. Albeit Anakin is a fool, and Sylar is a psycho killer. -- Altes 01:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Anakin was foolish in the 2nd and 3rd film plus he also became a psycho and a psycho killer in the 3rd {50000JH}

ok Sylar.....................Anikin flipin skywalker. think about it people this isn't a freikin comparison

Ummm, Flying? Hello?

Sylar is FLYING!

Umm in An Invisible Thread Sylar kills Nathan, we all know that but what about this?

Flying or simply Telekinesis. Just because Nathan's head wasn't removed doesn't mean he didn't take it...remember James Martin?

Check every relevant talk page, this has already been argued to death. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:11, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

It has to be flying, he pictured together what Nathan was like as a person, don't forget he knew Claire, Peter, Angela and Arthur plus he also partner up with Danko so it would not be hard to put together what of sought of person Nathan was like {50000JH}

All hail Occam's Razor. Until we receive a confirmation he has flight, he'll be able to fly only through the use of telekinesis. -- Altes 11:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

I don't know if this will help at all but could someone get the picture of Nathan showing the guy Samuel how he can fly before they go up and fight Sylar in An Invisible Thread? Just to compare how they both look. -- Colin

As Sylar as Nathan use Intuitive aptitude more

I would like to see Sylar as Nathan use intuitive aptitude more, instead of using it on watches and clocks all the time and apart from gaining abilities, like using it to fix somebody eyesite, hearing or tune an instrucment like a piano there are so many option what this ability can do, but it is the least use one {50000JH}

(sorry if i do something wrong im new to editing) Instead of referring to Sylar/Nathan as 'Sylar as Nathan' can we call him 'Nylar' as suggested by Vampirate68 in the section above ? --Nightwalker16 13:35, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

You mean calling him like that for practical purposes or making an article with that name? I'm for the practical purpose use, but not the other article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:19, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Are you refering to this article what other article are you referring to{50000JH}

I'm saying I'm against creating a Nythan article, or moving this article to Nythan, but I don't oppose calling him that in talk pages for the sake of practicality. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:36, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

To be honest, I kind of said "Nylar" as a joke. I don't think a new article is in order. But I think, when referring to him in a summary, I think it would be a good idea. -Vampirate68 21:25, 12 July 2009 (EDT)